i wouldn't call them libertarian, only libertarian leaning. i'm not complaining though.

>>2626375
Well, according to Farage:

"This party has changed hugely – I hope that one reason is that people do not see me as some hard-right wing, authoritarian figure – in fact quite the reverse, I have tried to make sure are basically strongly libertarian, a party that is socially incredibly relaxed."

God tier: UKIP
Ohwaitiy'reserioustier: Everything else

This will mean only one thing: more "right wing terrorism", by dead eyed MKULTRA victims like Breivik

I really hope this is true, I will never vote again for a party who's leader has never worked out of government.

>>2626402

i just dont see a party promoting free market capitalism and all that stuff in the UK, especially after the collapse (regardless of the fact it had nothing to do with free markets).

if, as a libertarian, you want to make an impact, you'd have to go with social issues. less government intervention in peoples lives, less police state / wars and all that shit

Too bad that you can't vote for other European parties in the EU-elections.

Fuck registering myself as a UKIP member tomorrow. The time has come! Once scotland leaves, politics will shift to the right (since labour could not win an election in England with a leftist agenda). Then UKIP can win.


GOD WILLS IT.

The Tory right has been left for dead for far too long by cameron, It's about time they fight back. It's a shame it's only 2 MPs. I would much prefer 100.

inb4 the beeb and guardian start comparing ukip to the nazis again

>>2626434
>>2626367

UKIP will still do nothing to stop immigration

I really like Farage but it's still going to be the same shit

DOOM FARAGE

YOU ONLY HAD TO LISTEN

YOU COULD HAVE PREVENTED THIS

>>2626465
Leave Europe and we can actually have control over our borders. Encourage natives to breed with financial incentives. We don't need immigration.

>UKIP
>libertarian
Don't they support the death penalty in their manifesto? I may be wrong, as I haven't read the thing. I've seen many vocal UKIP supporters also support the death penalty, though. Quite unlibertarian.

>>2626562
They pick up a bit of support from the more moderate or disillusioned BNP and EDL members. Like the SWP attaches it's self to Labour and the Greens and does nothing but make them look bad.

>>2626562
You need to stop reading beeb and guardian son.
UKIP are the most libertarian party in the UK (which actually gets votes)

>>2626465
>UKIP will still do nothing to stop immigration

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UK_Independence_Party#Immigration_and_asylum

FOLLOW THE JEW, /pol/ESUCKERS!

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/9203086/Conservatives-should-not-adopt-swivel-eyed-rhetoric
-of-Ukip-to-win-2015-election-leading-minister-says.html

>The Tories should not adopt the “swivel-eyed rhetoric” of the Euro-sceptic UK Independence Party to win the next general election, a minister who is helping to coordinate ideas for the next Tory election manifesto has said.
>Greg Barker, energy minister and chairman of the influential 2020 group of modernising Conservative MPs

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gregory_Barker

>Barker also developed strong links to the Russian oil companies, being Head of Communications at the Anglo Siberian Oil Company from 1998–2000 and also worked in Russia for the Sibneft Oil Group, owned by Roman Abramovich.
>Roman Abramovich

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_Abramovich

>Born to a Russian Jewish family,[4] Abramovich was raised in his uncles' families, living first in Ukhta, in the Komi Republic, and then in Moscow.

NEVER FORGET WHO IS REALLY BEHIND YOUR "CONSERVATIVE" PARTY, BRITISH MAN!

>>2626367
>Frustrated Tories

WAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA: MURDOCH APROVED?

>>2626678
The nose knows.

UKIP is far from libertarian lol. There's no libertarians in British politik

>>2626685
This story is in the independent, moron.

>UKIP
>Libertarianism

>>2626678

i belive citizen war is the only thing what can save UK now.

then we can let scotland join the EU and north ireald became part of Chicago.

>>2626691
Fundamentally UKIP are libertarian, the problem is you can't just come out as massive libertarians and expect to get anywhere. It's a slow process.

How dos british libertarian when they have no liberty constitution

>>2626700

fack off you smelling fat hippy!

>>2626700
They believe in rolling back the state. That takes more than a day, more tan a year, and more than a decade. Can't just go into an election offering slash and burn. It takes time for private companies to fill the gaps.

>>2626700

Fuck off back to Reddit.

>>2626723
>>2626710
UKIP are not libertarian in any way at all. They are protectionist and socially authoritarian.

UKIP are just euro-sceptic conservatives.

>>2626710
The British will never understand libertarianism. They'll never know what freedom is. British people think that rights are collective and granted by the government. They can't be helped.

UKIP is NOT libertarian.

>>2626733
Never bean. UKIP just aren't libertarian. At all. Deal with it.

>>2626730
Oh I see, they're advocating authoritarian conservative positions in order to sneak libertarianism in under the radar.

Bullshit.

>UKIP
>Advocate closer ties with the Commonwealth nations
>Will cut politicians' salaries before those of services to help the debt
>Support home schooling
>Will restore the Royal Navy and Air Force to their former strength, and cut bureaucracy in the MoD
>Will pull out of the EU
>Will freeze immigration for 5 years, then allow it on a points-based system
>Support nuclear power
>Against police state, ID card nonsense
>Nigel Farage

>UKIP
>Not the only worthwhile damned party in UK politics

>>2626736
Protectionism is a step forwards though!

>>2626740
See Daniel Hannan.

There ARE British Libertarians. There are just also retards who think UKIP counts.

>>2626667

Wut???

>5 year freeze on ALL immigration

>any future immigration for permanent settlement will be on a strictly controlled, points-based system

>ensure that any future immigration does not exceed 50,000 people per year.

>>2626740

To be fair to the British, they had something going on in the 19th century with classical Liberalism. It was the collective ideas of the CONTINENT, not Britain itself that spawned her current state.

UKIP is the next best thing to having a revolution.

I really wish we were having a revolution though, they whole corrupt government needs to be taken down. The Queen should just abolish the government so we can set up a new one.

>>2626759
>protectionism
>libertarian
It's the opposite!

>>2626740
The people of britain don't want the state, but the state+media trick the people into voting for the mainstream parties.When you have all the three main parties being exactly the same on issues of the state, it's hard to find a way out. If you speak to anyone on the ground in britain, you realise they want to be free, but they just don't know how to acheive it.

>>2626736
>socially authoritarian.

>>2626780
yeah.... socially authoritarian....

>>2626750

>Oh I see, they're advocating authoritarian conservative positions

Where the fuck are these?

>>2626730
>It takes time for private companies to fill the gaps.
This isn't preferable.

>>2626770
>Queen abolished gov't
>OH I KNOW, LET'S MAKE IT AGAIN

>>2626770

>implying the Queen shouldn't be executed

>>2626750
UKIP doesn't advocate libertarianism or pretend to. That's just a misconception Americans have about them.

>>2626776

UKIP isn't Libertarian but it's a step in the right direction.

>The following are either well-known supporters or patrons of UKIP: Sir Ranulph Fiennes, 3rd Baronet

Badass.

1. UKIP
2. BNP
900000000001. Anything else

>>2626817
UKIP isn't Libertarian but it's a step in the right direction.

>>2626740
>They'll never know what freedom is.

Why don't you tell us what it is?

Does it include a president having the power to detain citizens indefinitely without judicial involvement or the power to murder citizens because he deems them an enemy of the state?

>All these Amerilards saying how much we need libertarianism
>Whycan'tIholdallthisretarded.jpg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9E2B_yI8jrI

YUROP STRONG

> tfw UKIP would bring back all the guns.

>>2626834

That advert is pretty funny

>>2626833
We do. Or do you like having your life micro-managed by the state?

>>2626821
>Sir Ranulph Twisleton-Wykeham-Fiennes, 3rd Baronet, OBE (born 7 March 1944), better known as Ranulph (Ran) Fiennes, is a British adventurer and holder of several endurance records. He is also a prolific writer. Fiennes served in the British Army for eight years including a period on counter-insurgency service while attached to the army of the Sultanate of Oman. He later undertook numerous expeditions and was the first person to visit both the North and South Poles by surface means and the first to completely cross Antarctica on foot. In May 2009, at the age of 65, he climbed to the summit of Mount Everest. According to the Guinness Book of World Records he is the world's greatest living explorer. Fiennes has written numerous books about his army service and his expeditions as well as a book defending Robert Falcon Scott from modern revisionists.

Very badass.

>>2626753

this sounds good

>>2626848
Tell me about my life.

What is UKIP' stance on economy, taxes and government spending? Im german and id like to know. All i know is that they are not really libertarian, but quite close to it.

http://www.ukip.org/content/ukip-policies/2553-what-we-stand-for
Going down the sections:
1 - libertarian
2 - libertarian
3 - not libertarian
4 - not libertarian
5 - not libertarian
6 - partially libertarian

How is this a "libertarian" party? They match up about as much as any other party would.

>>2626834

> Europe so fucked up lately that even in this video has help from North Americans. why you had to use Kill Bill? dont you have you own culture?

Oh god I hope this guy is trolling

>>2626753
>>Will freeze immigration for 5 years


HNNNNNNNNNNNNG

>>2626862
I was under the impression that they really want to cut down on welfare spending and EU spending, and then allocate the savings from that into defense, justice and lower taxes.

>>2626862
>UKIP's economic stance is based on what it claims to be the need for much lower taxation in order to compete internationally. It proposes combining income tax and national insurance into a single flat tax at 31 per cent, which it claims would take 4.5 million lower-paid workers out of the income tax system completely.[44] UKIP also proposes cuts in corporation taxes and the abolition of inheritance taxes.[45] On the subject of business and enterprise, UKIP proposes to establish 'Production Enterprise Centres' to assist companies in research, design, prototyping and marketing. This would mean that small and medium-sized enterprises would be provided with the skills to enter into markets without being shunned, and thus businesses failing to survive.
>On the issue of the national debt, UKIP admits that there should be cuts in government services but ones of front line status should still thrive. UKIP believes that things such as administration and politicians salaries should be at the top of the list for government cuts instead of services. The party also believes that there is substantial waste and inefficiency that can be eliminated while vital front line services remain fully protected. UKIP also aims to reduce the size of the public sector to what it was in 1997, making cuts into unnecessary and taxpayer-costly jobs and to also create one million skilled jobs in manufacturing in exchange for public sector jobs. Finally, the party believes profligate government spending is killing off the productive activity that provides tax funds, and that easing the burden will be the route to revitalising the economy.[46]
>The party also advocates closer economic ties with the Commonwealth of Nations.[47]

>>2626861
Are you one of these more-of-the-same, big-government-will-fix-it-as-long-as-it's-left-wing, people?

>>2626883
>On the issue of the national debt, UKIP admits that there should be cuts in government services but ones of front line status should still thrive
>ones of front line status should still thrive
Where have I heard that one before?

>>2626895
No. Tell me how the state micro-manages my life, please.

>>2626911
I doubt he will. Only retards or people who only want to argue would claim the state isn't micro-managing your life.

>>2626899

UKIP have a very different interpretation of what is frontline.

> mfw England becomes Rightwing-Libertarian while Scotland and continentals drown in immigrants and socialism.

The only thing I am not clear about, is their stance on the NHS.

>>2626899
Spending needs to be cut severely, government needs to be rolled back a long way and civil liberties need to be restored and protected. Dwi.

>>2626951
They are horribly pro-NHS

They're basically the same as the BNP. Overly supportive of public spending on things they like.

>>2626961
>government needs to be rolled back
What does that entail?

>civil liberties need to be restored and protected
Without a doubt.

>>2626911
>Marrying fiancée
>Have to apply for a marriage license
>Finally get one after 2 years waiting period
>Have to have wedding in a mosque lest we offend the Muslim community
>White wedding dresses banned, have to wear a black one
>Government officials monitoring wedding to make sure an acceptable, non-racist ratio of whites to non-whites is maintained
>Say "I do" into a CCTV camera so that they can log it down
>Have to cut cake with spoon because knives were confiscated
>Drive off into the sunset
>It starts to rain

Greatest day of my life

>>2626946

>>2626965
Oh no, a nationalised healthcare system, what a travesty! I have to witness people being treated for free at the point of use. Distressing.

This constitutes micro-management of my life.

>>2626995
Why does it have to be nationalized?

Why can't we have the German system?

>>2626973
>What does that entail?

Much less government, in all aspects of life.

>>2626981
The state shouldn't recognise the status of marriage at all. Marriage should be privatised.

>>2626995
It leads to you having significantly less money and lower quality healthcare.

>>2626965
They're not pro-NHS. But you can't win an election being anti-NHS in the UK. At best, they are neutral towards it.

>>2626995
>for free

>>2626965

>They are horribly pro-NHS

I am a member of UKIP and everyone I know in the party hates it and only support its continued existence because the public seems to think it is a sacred god given right to have boob jobs and gastric bands on public money.

>>2627009
You just made that up, however.

>>2627027
Are you saying Germany has lower quality healthcare than the UK?

>>2627010
http://www.ukip.org/content/ukip-policies/1502-health-ukip-policy

Not only are they pro-NHS, they also support massively increasing funding to include dentistry and optician's services.

>>2627009

> not knowing Americans pay more per head for healthcare with their system.

>>2627027
No I didn't. That's what socialism does, retard.

>>2627041
Yeah, and the Tory manifesto said they wouldn't do a top down reorganisation.

>>2627046
>implying anyone has mentioned america
>implying they are the only country without an nhs

>>2627022
Solution: Keep the NHS, but only for medical issues. Anything cosmetic like boob jobs and gastric bands and you have to go to BUPA or whatever.

>>2627046
>DERP
Because Americans have free market healthcare right?

Fuck the left wing ignorance in UK is strong at times.

>>2627055

Yeah there are still a few shitholes in the middle east that don't have socialised healthcare.

>>2627049
Ah, you seem to think that a nationalised healthcare system is socialism.

>>2627054
Ah right, so because the Tory's didn't do what they said, this means I should take UKIP's policy to be the polar opposite of what they say.

Makes sense.

In which case, they're too pro-EU to be libertarian.

>>2627069
And there's Singapore, the 6th best healthcare in the world (WHO rankings) despite paying less than all other countries in the top 30.

>>2627069
Like Germany?

>>2627072
Because it is, but feel free to no true scotsman fallacy and make your failure in this thread even more apparent.

>>2627072
You seem to think it does not have strong socialistic elements in it.

"From each according to ability (funded by highly progressive income tax) to each according to need (provided to anyone who needs it)"

This would be awesome I hope it's true.

>>2627077
It's also an unlibertarian police state where harsh corporal punishment is commonplace, particularly for petty crimes committed while inside prison. Capital punishment is also applicable to a wide range of crimes.

We shouldn't be looking to Singapore at all. Let's not model our country after it, thanks.

>>2627089

Germans spend more per head than British and don't live any longer.

Break the Conservative party in 2

Labour wins every election.

>>2627126

> Kick Scotland out
> Labour never win again

>>2627091
>>2627090
Socialism is worker ownership of the means of production. State ownership (that is to say, state capitalism) of a healthcare system does not constitute socialism.

>"From each according to ability (funded by highly progressive income tax) to each according to need (provided to anyone who needs it)"
I would advise that you don't use quotes if you aren't aware of the context.

>>2627113
>Hurr if you take Singapore's healthcare system you have to take corporal punishment for petty crimes

Fuck me you're bad at this.

>>2627114
Their hospitals and treatments are modern and they don't die of MRSA every time they go in for a stitch.

Idk why so many in the UK think the NHS is the best possible model for healthcare and that it should be protected endlessly like some ideological sacred cow.

I don't need healthcare. I haven't been sick since I was about 5 years old. Never even catch so much as a cold.

I don't understand why people that are too fat and lazy to take care of themselves and incapable of taking care of their finances expect everyone else to pay for them through private insurance or nationalised.

>>2627137
BOOM. There goes the no true scotsman. I even warned you brah.

>>2627126
>Labour wins every election.
>UK becomes Greece overnight

>>2627114
>Dat huge number of nurses and midwives in the UK
>IT TRULY IS THE NANNY STATE!

>>2627148

> Durp I'm just going to make up shit.

Life expectancy is the same meaning medical care is just as good.

>>2627170
>medical care is just as good

lol

>>2627133

This! with the jocks gone the Lib Dems and Labour will have to rely on votes in the north east and university towns, then a glorious age of UKIP v Tories shall begin.

>>2627183

> I'm not going to make any argument.

Ok bro

>>2627153
Alright then, carry on redefining terms.

>>2627146
I accept your point, although nothing is implemented in a vacuum.

>>2627148

Because we don't want to become like America and have to worry about going bankrupt if we get cancer.

>>2627197
>Keep on redefining terms
>Implying it wasn't you who started the "hurr not TRUE socialism cos dictionary says durr" bullshit

Is this your first day on /pol/?

>>2626883

>cutting corporation taxes
>implying that cutting the taxes of corporations will help us when they dont pay tax ANYWAY via offshore banking
>cutting inheritance tax
>implying inheritance isnt a major issue with U.K property holdings when all the cheap housing went to rich people regardless of it being meant for poor people

Fuck that economic plan. The National Insurance doesnt cover 11% of tax. They are rimjobbing people if they take it to 31% instead of what we have now. I paid £62 on my last N.I contribution and £300 on my tax. They can fuck themselves if they think that making me pay more is getting me to vote for them.

>>2627212
What? You redefined a term, and I pointed it out; I am not the one redefining terms.

>>2627190
>he's seriously suggesting germany's healthcare standards aren't better than the uk's

>>2627229

> He's suggesting they are when they pay more money and don't live longer

>>2627215
>>2627215
>implying that cutting the taxes of corporations will help us when they dont pay tax ANYWAY via offshore banking

Small and Medium sized Enterprises would like a word with you.

You grow the economy by new companies flourishing, not just big giants reporting bigger numbers.

I'm a filthy left-libertarian, but I think only good things can come of this. Conservatives love competition, let's finally introduce it into our democracy.

>>2627229
If you are dissatisfied with the NHS, then a better argument would be NHS reform, not privatising it and replacing the free-at-the-point-of-use policy with law-enforced insurance.

>>2627198
>american healthcare is the only other option to the nhs

>>2627150
I know that feel, bro. I wish insurance companies were allowed to give stringent medical and fitness tests like having you run and shit, checking for everything possible you could be at risk for so that you get an insanely lower rate. Instead it's taken out of my salary and I pay the same as some lard ass about to kill over. I'd like to be able to manage my own finances just like I do my health.

>>2627237
>implying their treatments, waiting times, customer service etc aren't all better

> Don't like NHS? Pay some money and go see a private doctor at a private hospital.
> Don't have any money? No sweat the NHS has your back.

> Implying UK health system isn't best system.

I'm a member of the Conservatives but support and vote UKIP. I'd happily change to them if they got a bit more media profile as something other than 'BNP-lite'. I have no doubt that they'll have at least one MP in the next decade though.

>>2627252

>NHS reform

Yeah because that is going well at the moment, the slightest hint you might change the NHS in any significant way leads to massive union butthurt of gargantuan proportions.

>>2627271

> It's not reflected in the stats

Italy's system is better than both.

>>2627272
>Paying fucktons in taxes
>Ranked something like 20th worldwide

>>2627237

>implying that average age of mortality is actually measuring health

lololololololololol

>>2627305

> Implying it's not one of the most cost effective systems when you compare money spent to treatment received.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/2011/aug/07/nhs-among-most-efficient-health-services

>>2627133

not true, there has only ever been 2 elections in the uk where the labour party have actually needed votes in scotland to win the election out right. England isn't the rightwing libertarian paradise you imagine.

>>2627325

>its the most cost effective, lets go for that one

Because greatness comes from penny pinching.

>>2627382

> Say it's not cost effective
> Get shown it is
> Massive butthurt

We can't possibly cut anything out of this, otherwise we'd be like Somalia...

>>2627372
>>2627372
It would still reduce Labours influence.

>>2627392

>implying that I am the only person in this thread and I said that at any point

>>2627408

> Pretending to not be a samefag

>>2627325
>guardian
The NHS WHO ranking is 18th, and we're the 26th highest spenders.

NHS is not cost effective. It's fucking awful.

>>2627455

> My made up statement with no source is better than your source.

>dem waiting times
>dose infection rates
>dat unclean, filthy, bug infected ward
>dose crumbling buildings
>dem ambulances that never turn up
>dose articles every day revealing the tip of a huge shitty iceberg of mismanagement, poor service and people dying all over the place
>dat out of control health spending and pensions crisis
>dat realisation that you won't benefit from this glorious service and others because it will send the country broke before we're old

>>2627466

> Dat believing shit posted on /pol/

>>2627464
>with no source
Because it's not like I gave the source or anything.

Stay libtarded.

>>2627470
>dat lefty, naive, cotton wool wrapped view of the world

There's no money to pay for it, even if you tax everyone loads.
If you aren't aware of the coming pension/welfare crisis in the west and think things are bad now with 2% cuts to public services over 5 years then I have some bad news for you.

>>2627473

Making up some numbers you claim you read somewhere =/= source

>>2627490
>clearly has the words "WHO ranking"

I guess your state schooling didn't cover literacy then.

>>2627455
You think that's bad... America's is 63rd in effectiveness and 1st in highest cost... It's pour your money into a hole!

>>2627489

> Believes hearsay and lies that butthurt foreigners spread on /pol/ over evidence
> Calls others retarded

>>2627501
Yes, but of course "America is worse" is not an argument for anything really.

>>2627500

> WHO ranking
> 1997

Confirmed for fucking retard

>>2627502
>He's really not aware of the pension crisis

derp

It's ok subject, everything is fine, government will be here to take care of you forever =)

>>2627510
>NHS wasn't around in 1997
Yup, confirmed for fucking retard indeed.

But hey, maybe the left will win a debate one of these days.

>libertarian
>close the borders to immigration

Suuure.

>>2627526

> Uses rankings from 15 years ago
> Doesn't know things change

Continentals are fucking retarded.

>>2627547
Oh yes because the last 15 years have been nothing but success and improvement for the NHS. Oh you're precious.

>>2627535

>implying that closing the borders to do an analysis of the effects of immigration, then reinstating it in a controlled method to ensure there is no decline in provision for services or threat to property and national security is anti libertarian

>>2627560
correct... it is....

>>2627554

> Doesn't realise that new rankings supersede old rankings.
> Continues to be butthurt and wrong

>>2627560

I dunno, it sure sounds like big government to me.

>>2627554
You're an idiot if you think the NHS hasn't changed radically since 1997.

>>2627563

Liberty is for members of ones country not for immigrants.
By stopping immigration they are upholding liberty for the citizens.

> Be anti immigration
> The second someone suggests an anti immigration policy /pol/ cries

/pol/ logic

>>2627565
>U BUTTHURT AND WRONG

good one. Take it you have nothing to back this up though.

>>2627574
correct. It's got worse.