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    287 KB Anonymous 04/11/12(Wed)16:06 No.2558052  
    ITT Stupid shit Libertarians say

    Let's start with Rothbard saying that parents have the right to create children and then let them starve to death or sell them to people as slave labor. After all, in a true anarcho-capitalist society, the market serves as child services!

    > But the parent should have the legal right not to feed the child, i.e., to allow it to die.[2] The law, therefore, may not properly compel the parent to feed a child or to keep it alive.[3] (Again, whether or not a parent has a moral rather than a legally enforceable obligation to keep his child alive is a completely separate question.) This rule allows us to solve such vexing questions as: should a parent have the right to allow a deformed baby to die (e.g., by not feeding it)?[4] The answer is of course yes, following a fortiori from the larger right to allow any baby, whether deformed or not, to die. (Though, as we shall see below, in a libertarian society the existence of a free baby market will bring such "neglect" down to a minimum.)
    >> Anonymous 04/11/12(Wed)16:08 No.2558085
    Libertarianism take to it's logical conclusions is more horrible than even Marxism.
    >> Anonymous 04/11/12(Wed)16:08 No.2558092
    >not being pro-choice
    >2012
    >> Anonymous 04/11/12(Wed)16:09 No.2558093
    Source on that quote?
    >> Anonymous 04/11/12(Wed)16:09 No.2558106
    >>2558085
    It's literally insane. Libertarians live in a fantasyland and don't understand that society would collapse instantly if their policies were implemented.
    >> Anonymous 04/11/12(Wed)16:10 No.2558109
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    >Rothbard

    Libertarianism confirmed for kike ideology. Only a filthy kike would spread ideas to the goyim suggesting that children should be treated like a commodity.
    >> Anonymous 04/11/12(Wed)16:10 No.2558118
    http://mises.org/daily/2568/

    Not the OP.
    >> Anonymous 04/11/12(Wed)16:10 No.2558120
    >>2558052
    Anarcho-capitalists =/= Libertarians

    That's like saying Democrats are communists or that Republicans are Nazis
    >> Anonymous 04/11/12(Wed)16:10 No.2558127
    >>2558093
    http://mises.org/daily/2568/
    >> Anonymous 04/11/12(Wed)16:10 No.2558129
    yes who could possibly be a libertarian, i mean, advocating freedom. holy shit they must be crazy!
    >> Anonymous 04/11/12(Wed)16:11 No.2558145
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    There can be no tolerance toward democrats and communists in a libertarian social order. They will have to be physically separated and expelled from society. Likewise, in a covenant founded for the purpose of protecting family and kin, there can be no tolerance toward those habitually promoting lifestyles incompatible with this goal. They–the advocates of alternative, non-family and kin-centred lifestyles such as, for instance, individual hedonism, parasitism, nature-environment worship, homosexuality, or communism–will have to be physically removed from society, too, if one is to maintain a libertarian order.

    ( Hoppe, Democracy: The God That Failed 2001 pp218)
    >> Anonymous 04/11/12(Wed)16:12 No.2558159
    >>2558120
    Whether or not anarcho-capitalists qualify as "libertarians" depends on how you define that term. The issue is thus semantic, not substantive. With that said, most people generally consider them libertarians, which is why Rothbard is on Mises etc.
    >> Anonymous 04/11/12(Wed)16:13 No.2558170
    >>2558145
    LOL, wow.
    >> Anonymous 04/11/12(Wed)16:14 No.2558178
    Why does everyone assume Libertarians want near-anarchist policies?

    Most of us are socially liberal(but with guns), we just don't want a shit ton of regulations, that doesn't mean that we don't advocate some good regulations. I'm a libertarian but I think we should have standards that protect citizens. For example you can't put cyanide in someone's burger.
    >> Anonymous 04/11/12(Wed)16:14 No.2558182
    >>2558120
    >rothbard
    >not a libertarian hero
    wut?
    >> Anonymous 04/11/12(Wed)16:14 No.2558187
    >>2558129
    I know right, imagine a society without the almighty, infallible, benevolent state dictating our lives. How horrific!
    >> Anonymous 04/11/12(Wed)16:15 No.2558192
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    >Canadian Libertarian Party
    >wow looks legit I can get behind this
    >Drug reform, pro-gun, not heavily religious, young leader
    >oh shit this looks great
    >ABOLISH MINIMUM WAGE LAWS!!!!
    >mfw
    >> Anonymous 04/11/12(Wed)16:15 No.2558196
    >>2558129

    YES HOW DARE ANYONE INFRINGE UPON MY FREEDOM TO LET CHILDREN STARVE. COERCING ME TO NOT LET MY CHILD STARVE IS BAD BECAUSE IT'S COERCION!
    >> Anonymous 04/11/12(Wed)16:15 No.2558198
    >>2558145
    >libertarian
    >deport people for thought crimes
    figures.
    >> Anonymous 04/11/12(Wed)16:16 No.2558201
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    >>2558187
    Yeah, without the state society would be perfect.


    Pic related
    >> Anonymous 04/11/12(Wed)16:16 No.2558206
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    >>2558187
    >>2558129

    >muh freedom to let my children starve
    >> Anonymous 04/11/12(Wed)16:17 No.2558227
    >>2558178

    I don't assume that, i just assume you are a bunch of sociopath who want to be free of laws so you can do your sociopathic things, like letting children starve.
    >> Anonymous 04/11/12(Wed)16:17 No.2558229
    >>2558192
    Yes abolish minimum wage so that all the business who move overseas will come back and bring more jobs and competitiveness to their own country
    >> Anonymous 04/11/12(Wed)16:19 No.2558244
    >>2558196
    Are exaggerations and strawmen the only argument people have against libertarianism?
    >> Anonymous 04/11/12(Wed)16:19 No.2558245
    >>2558201
    the state of the world of fallout 3 was caused by government.
    >> Anonymous 04/11/12(Wed)16:19 No.2558246
    >>2558178
    >Why does everyone assume Libertarians want near-anarchist policies?
    because that's what you advocate for?
    >> Anonymous 04/11/12(Wed)16:19 No.2558248
    >>2558201
    The Enclave, NCR, Caesers Legion, North Western-Brotherhood, Sout-Eastern Brotherhood, Brotherhood Outcasts, Shady Sands and countless smaller factions were the state of seprete countries.
    PS the FEV virus isn't rampant in America nore is there a plague that's killing off the American population.
    >> Anonymous 04/11/12(Wed)16:19 No.2558251
    >>2558178

    You don't need regulations to keep companies from killing their customers.

    Idiot.
    >> Anonymous 04/11/12(Wed)16:19 No.2558252
    >>2558201
    Sure is underageB& in here.

    Post nuclear apocalypse =/= Libertarian society
    >> Anonymous 04/11/12(Wed)16:19 No.2558254
    >>2558145
    This sounds more like a Republican... not a libertarian.
    >> Anonymous 04/11/12(Wed)16:20 No.2558257
    >>2558244
    >exaggerations and strawmen
    but that's the exact argument quoted from a libertarian hero.
    >> Anonymous 04/11/12(Wed)16:20 No.2558260
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    The world need more libertarians.

    Can you imagine a world without libertarians?
    >> Anonymous 04/11/12(Wed)16:20 No.2558262
    >>2558245
    in fact, had ron paul been president instead it probably wouldn't have happened
    >> Anonymous 04/11/12(Wed)16:20 No.2558267
    >>2558244
    This is not exaggeration. As shown by the Rothbard quote, many libertarians believe that parents should be able to let their kids starve. I think I would describe it as the basic libertarian view.
    >> Anonymous 04/11/12(Wed)16:21 No.2558272
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    >>2558244

    Look the above posts, like:

    >imagine a society without the almighty, infallible, benevolent state dictating our lives

    You people are the worst when it comes to this shit, so don't complain about strawmen you little turd
    >> Anonymous 04/11/12(Wed)16:21 No.2558274
    >>2558257
    Not my hero.
    >> Anonymous 04/11/12(Wed)16:22 No.2558290
    >>2558262
    And without the government there would never have been an advanced civilization to destroy. It would have stayed chaotic and horrible. In the absence of the leviathan people turn into monsters, Hobbes was right about that.
    >> Anonymous 04/11/12(Wed)16:22 No.2558293
    >>2558274
    indeed you just advocate for his policies to be enacted.
    >> Anteater !!VyIROBcMkwf 04/11/12(Wed)16:22 No.2558296
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    Legally, Rothbard is right. However, he certainly makes the distinction between the legal and moral obligations of parents towards their children.
    >> Anonymous 04/11/12(Wed)16:23 No.2558304
    >>2558290
    it was the aggression of governments that did it.

    war never changes, nigger
    >> Anonymous 04/11/12(Wed)16:23 No.2558305
    >>2558229
    This is called a race to the bottom. Any job that can be moved has been and will continue to be moved to the new group of brown people willing to work for less.

    Visit the South U.S. to see how pimping your citizens out to the lowest bidder works out.
    >> Anonymous 04/11/12(Wed)16:23 No.2558314
    >>2558274

    That's because your idea of libertarianism encompasses 'FREEDOM' without bothering to think about what it actually means or the intellectual basis of the libertarian philosophy which logically leads to ideas such as letting children starve.
    >> Anonymous 04/11/12(Wed)16:24 No.2558315
    Libertarians believe in different things

    I believe sex = contract to take care of a baby and no abortions
    >> Anonymous 04/11/12(Wed)16:24 No.2558322
    >>2558296
    Most of us don't think that parents should be able to behave the way that he is describing, and that parents that do should be punished by the law. That's why your fellow "libertarians" are trying to dismiss his insane argument as non-representative.
    >> Anonymous 04/11/12(Wed)16:24 No.2558326
    >>2558293
    But I don't. As a libertarian I believe people have the right to life and property, including children. So why would i let people have the right to starve their children? Thats child abuse and since Libertarians believe the government should function as a protector of basic human rights they would not allow that to happen. Stop trying to paint libertarianism as anarchy.
    >> Anonymous 04/11/12(Wed)16:25 No.2558344
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    holy shit I hate this board so much
    >> Anonymous 04/11/12(Wed)16:26 No.2558349
    >>2558326
    Why would children have a right to their parent's property? That is Rothbard's argument.
    >> Anteater !!VyIROBcMkwf 04/11/12(Wed)16:27 No.2558375
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    >>2558322

    >Most of us don't think that parents should be able to behave the way that he is describing

    They certainly shouldn't behave this way, but that doesn't mean that they should be forced not to.

    >That's why your fellow "libertarians" are trying to dismiss his insane argument as non-representative.

    If you'd read the rest of the article, like I just did, he defends his statement admirably.
    >> Anonymous 04/11/12(Wed)16:27 No.2558376
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    >>2558326

    Libertarians don't believe in human rights. They really don't, and if you do, you're not a libertarian.

    They believe in property ownership, and the only human right is for a property owner to do with his property what he likes.
    >> Anonymous 04/11/12(Wed)16:29 No.2558391
    >>2558375

    >but that doesn't mean that they should be forced not to.

    Yes it fucking well does.
    >> Anteater !!VyIROBcMkwf 04/11/12(Wed)16:31 No.2558418
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    >>2558391

    >Yes it fucking well does.

    Did you read the article? Rothbard goes on to explore the logical implications of your line of reasoning, which turn out to be quite profound. You're supporting a position that operates on a blatant double standard.
    >> Anonymous 04/11/12(Wed)16:32 No.2558426
    >>2558192
    Minimum wage laws are some of the most damaging laws for the poor. They literally say that if you cannot justify someone hiring you at a particular amount, you must remain unemployed.
    >> Anonymous 04/11/12(Wed)16:32 No.2558429
    >>2558418
    no its a hypothetical scenario he bases his whole decision off

    it doesnt make it ok to let a baby die
    >> Anonymous 04/11/12(Wed)16:34 No.2558460
    >>2558376
    I'm a libertarian. What right do I not believe in again?
    >> Anonymous 04/11/12(Wed)16:36 No.2558499
    >>2558375
    I have read his article, as well as the rest of his work. I think his work is deeply flawed for the same reason that Kant's ethical philosophy is deeply flawed; a refusal to compromise on ethical issues leads us into absurdity.
    >> Anteater !!VyIROBcMkwf 04/11/12(Wed)16:36 No.2558501
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    >>2558429

    >no its a hypothetical scenario he bases his whole decision off

    Indeed - the hypothetical scenario of a mother having a child. He then goes on to explore the logical ramifications of claiming that this mother must be forced to support the child. He uses a reductio ad absurdum line of reasoning to bring the claim that parents must have a legal responsibility to care for their children to its ultimate and absurd ends.
    >> Anonymous 04/11/12(Wed)16:37 No.2558503
    Most Libertarians believe in the right to life, liberty and property. Keyword: life. That means you can't let your children starve.

    Libertarianism is also not as simple as you would like to think. Its more like socially liberal and fiscally conservative. A lot of us are even moderates. Those against libertarianism would like to think that we are just radicals who think we should have the right to gun down niggers in the street while we let our children starve, but its not true. Even though it would be easy to argue against us if it was, hence all these strawmen.
    >> Anonymous 04/11/12(Wed)16:37 No.2558508
    >>2558460
    im a libertarian that believes in state sponsored wealth redistribution. what now?
    >> Anonymous 04/11/12(Wed)16:37 No.2558511
    Far right Libertarians fail to grasp there is more to freedom than freedom from harm.
    >> Anonymous 04/11/12(Wed)16:37 No.2558516
    >>2558503
    The right to life does not mean the right to demand activities of another. It just means the right for another not to take your life from you.
    >> Anonymous 04/11/12(Wed)16:37 No.2558517
    >>2558503
    so libertarians believe that people should be forced to take care of others?
    >> Anonymous 04/11/12(Wed)16:38 No.2558522
    >>2558501
    No but rothbard thinks that a parent has the right to let a baby die
    >> Anteater !!VyIROBcMkwf 04/11/12(Wed)16:38 No.2558534
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    >>2558499

    >I think his work is deeply flawed for the same reason that Kant's ethical philosophy is deeply flawed; a refusal to compromise on ethical issues leads us into absurdity.

    Note that he explicitly states that he is not saying anything about the morals or ethics of letting a child starve. He is exploring the subject from a purely legal viewpoint.
    >> Anteater !!VyIROBcMkwf 04/11/12(Wed)16:40 No.2558560
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    >>2558522

    That's precisely what I just said.
    >> Anonymous 04/11/12(Wed)16:40 No.2558563
    >>2558511
    Well you know what not all of us are so far right that we think parents aren't responsible for their kids.

    Mostly my beef with liberals is the whole social security/welfare state. But other government programs like the FDA I am actually okay with.
    >> Anonymous 04/11/12(Wed)16:40 No.2558569
    >>2558534
    >>2558534
    Yes and no. He is saying that it would be immoral for the state to force parents to care for their children, but he personally believes that we have a moral obligation to do so (or rather, that he is not commenting on such a moral obligation). He is still making a moral argument, it is just that it is about the role of the state in the lives of parents.
    >> Anonymous 04/11/12(Wed)16:41 No.2558582
    >>2558560
    And I think they dont
    >> Black Theorem !VIH3wcLbRk 04/11/12(Wed)16:41 No.2558584
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    >>2558267

    First of all, fuck off and die.

    Now that I've gotten that out of the way. Know your libertarians. We exist on a sliding scale.

    Classical Liberals: We didn't start out as libertarians but as time went on, we got more and more hemmed in with them. We want an end to consensual crimes, freer markets, free trade

    Minarchists: Your "Nightwatchmen state" types. They want the government to protect sovereignty, police violent crime and fraud and little else.

    Anarcho-Capitalists: What most of you hippy fuckrags think we are.
    >> Anonymous 04/11/12(Wed)16:41 No.2558589
    Human beings by nature govern themselves through coercive power, an this has historically been delegated numerous ways.

    Libertarians are stupid bratty manchildren if they think it is even possible for humans to exist together without some form of coercive power as part of their governance. They think that every individual exists in a void, where their actions impact nobody but themselves.
    >> Anonymous 04/11/12(Wed)16:43 No.2558616
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    >>2558584
    >> Anonymous 04/11/12(Wed)16:43 No.2558620
    >>2558517
    Not everyone, just the ones you are responsible for such as your kids. You'd think that'd be an obvious one.
    >> Anonymous 04/11/12(Wed)16:43 No.2558630
    >>2558589
    yeah
    except that libertqarians don't beleive in no government you fucking stooge
    >> Anteater !!VyIROBcMkwf 04/11/12(Wed)16:44 No.2558634
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    >>2558569

    Of course.
    >> Anonymous 04/11/12(Wed)16:44 No.2558645
    >>2558589
    >>2558616
    Here come the statists. Remind me, how that government regulated economy is going for ya?
    >> Anonymous 04/11/12(Wed)16:44 No.2558646
    >>2558563
    I'm liberal and more in favor of a negative flat income tax system, instead of welfare.

    I think the money should be used to the benefit of everyone with various public programs like road systems, police, firefighters, public health services, etc.

    Obviously, there needs to be some regulations, though I'd err on the side of caution about overregulating things. I only advocate regulating as much as really necessary. We can't allow companies to poison aquifers, rivers, and things like that, or allow drug companies to make a quick buck off people with a detrimental drug which doesn't do what it claims.
    >> Anonymous 04/11/12(Wed)16:44 No.2558647
    >the existence of a free baby market will bring such "neglect" down to a minimum

    Does it mean free babies or free market for babies?
    >> Anonymous 04/11/12(Wed)16:44 No.2558651
    >>2558616
    ad hominem, ad hominem, ad hominem.

    nice try, faggot
    >> Anonymous 04/11/12(Wed)16:45 No.2558654
    >>2558630

    I didn't say they did, I said they believe in a government that does not wield any coercive power.

    Which is fucking stupid.
    >> Anonymous 04/11/12(Wed)16:45 No.2558664
    I am really curious why the dailyKOS libtards are so hell bent against Libertarians
    they seem to be targeting them more than the GOP or neo-cons ( code word for TEH JOOOS) lately
    >> Anonymous 04/11/12(Wed)16:46 No.2558674
    >>2558589
    >Libertarians are stupid bratty manchildren if they think it is even possible for humans to exist together without some form of coercive power as part of their governance.

    MOST OF THEM DON'T
    STOP EQUATING LIBERTARIANS WITH ANARCHISTS
    >> Anonymous 04/11/12(Wed)16:46 No.2558681
    >>2558646
    well then you are NOT a liberal
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    >>2558645
    >> Anonymous 04/11/12(Wed)16:46 No.2558688
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    Such a theory has been put forth by Professor Murray N. Rothbard. According to Rothbard, a child becomes an adult not when he reaches some arbitrary age limit, but rather when he does something to establish his ownership and control over his own person: namely, when he leaves home, and becomes able to support himself. This criteria, and only this criteria, is free of all the objections to arbitrary age limits. Moreover, not only is it consistent with the libertarian homesteading theory, it is but an application of it. For by leaving home and becoming his own means of support, the ex-child becomes an initiator, as the homesteader, and owes his improved state to his own actions.

    ...

    It should be noted that this theory of the passage from childhood to adulthood is the only one consistent with the problem of mental deficiency. According to the specific arbitrary theories of adulthood, a mental incompetent, aged 50, ought to be considered an adult, even though he manifestly is not. These theories then come up with further arbitrary ad hoc “exceptions” to fit the case. But the mental incompetent is no embarrassment to the homesteading theory. Since he has not (been able to) seized ownership and adulthood of and for himself, the mental incompetent of whatever age is simply not an adult.

    (Block, Defending the Undefendable pp 244 - 47)

    >mfw most lolbertarians wouldn't be considered adults by this standard
    >> Black Theorem !VIH3wcLbRk 04/11/12(Wed)16:47 No.2558695
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    >>2558616

    Right back at you, you Hepatitis riddled cumstain.
    >> Anonymous 04/11/12(Wed)16:47 No.2558701
    >>2558052

    I'm a libertarian and a med student, from a medical perspective homosexuality is wrong at least our body isn't designed for it. It damages the prostate as you arn't getting certain nutrients from vaginal fluid, and over time you can actually damage your back/spine severely as your body compensates by draining spinal fluid from there.
    >> Anonymous 04/11/12(Wed)16:47 No.2558702
    >>2558654
    no they don't
    they believe in a government with very limited powers
    >> Anonymous 04/11/12(Wed)16:47 No.2558708
    >>2558589
    >Statists are stupid bratty manchildren if they think it isn't even possible for humans to exist together without some form of coercive power as part of their governance.

    ftfy
    >> Anonymous 04/11/12(Wed)16:48 No.2558715
    also your anus has no sexual nerves it is purely a mental thing
    >> Anonymous 04/11/12(Wed)16:48 No.2558723
    >>2558681
    What am I? A centrist or something?
    >> Anonymous 04/11/12(Wed)16:48 No.2558724
    >>2558646
    A lot of liberals have these views. Now if only there was an actual political party that would follow them, because the Democrats sure don't.
    >> Anonymous 04/11/12(Wed)16:48 No.2558725
    >>2558674

    Then most libertarians are just cafeteria anarchists, too timid to follow their own ideological principles on all fronts.
    >> Anonymous 04/11/12(Wed)16:48 No.2558732
    >>2558563
    Oh, yes. Let's get rid of Social Security, and have people live on the street. God, Americans are so fucking dumb.

    The reason why there's a social safety net in place is thanks to the Great Depression. The bottom can fall out again, and no one wants everyone running to the government when that happens, with a government with no monetary backup.

    Libertarian asshats, removed just about every post-WWII protection, and now you see what it's done: banks buying up banks, NAFTA, give tax breaks to the point when companies are paying nothing.

    Time to grow the fuck up, and deal with reality, Ayn Rand cunts! Rand took government money in the end. You're Libertarian philosophy doesn't work.

    Want to live in a Libertarian paradise? Move to Somalia!
    >> Anonymous 04/11/12(Wed)16:50 No.2558751
    >>2558732
    i see a post like this every day

    there is a never ending supply of people who think like this
    >> Anonymous 04/11/12(Wed)16:50 No.2558762
    >>2558702

    Yes, limited to no coercive activities.
    >> Anonymous 04/11/12(Wed)16:51 No.2558775
    >>2558701
    Well I'm a gay Libertarian and you may be right but I don't see why homosexual activities should be regulated.
    >> Anonymous 04/11/12(Wed)16:52 No.2558780
    >>2558751
    if only that was true.
    >> Anonymous 04/11/12(Wed)16:52 No.2558785
    >>2558751
    And there's a never-ending supply of people who think the opposite.
    >> Anonymous 04/11/12(Wed)16:53 No.2558790
    >>2558775

    exactly you want equality. When that isn't something of balance or equality
    >> Anonymous 04/11/12(Wed)16:53 No.2558792
    >Be a doctor
    >Be a racist
    >Don't treat Niggers because I don't want to
    >Don't receive any sort of punishment for this

    Yeah nah, your society sounds like a dystopian hellhole.
    >> Anonymous 04/11/12(Wed)16:53 No.2558803
    >>2558732
    wow
    that is some stale dailyKOS copypasta
    you guys still use that nonsense?
    ok now this is the part where you call libertarians racists right?
    >> Anonymous 04/11/12(Wed)16:54 No.2558815
    >>2558792
    >Be a black doctor
    >Be a racist
    >Don't treat white people because I don't want to

    See, I can do it too
    >> Black Theorem !VIH3wcLbRk 04/11/12(Wed)16:54 No.2558817
    >>2558732

    You do realize that SOmalia is a fairly typical example of a collapsed third world socialist government, right?
    >> Anteater !!VyIROBcMkwf 04/11/12(Wed)16:55 No.2558833
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    >>2558732

    >Oh, yes. Let's get rid of Social Security, and have people live on the street.

    Non Sequitor

    >God, Americans are so fucking dumb.

    Ad Hominem

    >Libertarian asshats, removed just about every post-WWII protection, and now you see what it's done: banks buying up banks, NAFTA, give tax breaks to the point when companies are paying nothing.

    Our current state of Economic affairs is to blame on the current Statist implementation of the market economy.

    >Want to live in a Libertarian paradise? Move to Somalia!

    Actually, despite recovering from a bloody civil war, Somalia is doing better now, without an established State, than it was previously.
    >> Anonymous 04/11/12(Wed)16:56 No.2558846
    I think Rothbard was secretly an anti-natalists, hence why he never had children. Same with Mises and Walter Block.
    >> Black Theorem !VIH3wcLbRk 04/11/12(Wed)16:57 No.2558849
    >>2558833

    They do actually have one, it just wields very little power.
    >> Anonymous 04/11/12(Wed)16:58 No.2558862
    If gay marriage, 420 legalization, or any social issue is the first thing you pick a candidate on, you are the cancer killing this country.

    Social issues didn't destroy this country.
    >> Anonymous 04/11/12(Wed)16:58 No.2558870
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    What's so bad about coercion anyway?

    You're coerced into obeying the speed limit and riving on the right side of the road so we don't have horrific traffic accidents

    You're coerced into feeding your child so they don't...die

    You're coerced into sending your child to school so the human race doesn't turn into an imitation of 'Idiocracy'

    You're coerced into wearing clothing when you walk down a street.

    Seems to me like lolbertarians can go fuck themselves.
    >> Anonymous 04/11/12(Wed)17:00 No.2558894
    >ITT Stupid shit Libertarians say

    Individuals have rights, such as the right to life, which are more important than state mandates.
    >> Anonymous 04/11/12(Wed)17:01 No.2558911
    >>2558870
    >whats so bad about death threats

    because thats what a law is
    >> Anonymous 04/11/12(Wed)17:01 No.2558912
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    >>2558870

    B..BUT I SHOULD BE ALLOWED TO DO WHATEVER THE FUCK I WANT AND NO ONE SHOULD STOP ME!

    BAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAW MUH LIBERTY
    >> Black Theorem !VIH3wcLbRk 04/11/12(Wed)17:01 No.2558915
    >>2558870

    Yeah... Most Libertarians not of the anarcho-capitalist stripe don't have a problem with that.
    >> Anonymous 04/11/12(Wed)17:02 No.2558925
    >>2558870
    >You're coerced into sending your child to school so the human race doesn't turn into an imitation of 'Idiocracy'

    Public schools, not creating idiocracy
    >> Anonymous 04/11/12(Wed)17:02 No.2558929
    >>2558894

    >implying "The State" is some evil entity that isn't made up of elected citizens
    >> Anonymous 04/11/12(Wed)17:03 No.2558935
    >>2558870
    None of the Libertarians in this thread said they were against all coercion...
    >> Anonymous 04/11/12(Wed)17:03 No.2558939
    >ITT Stupid shit Libertarians say

    The state should not have the arbitrary power of life and death over people.
    >> Anonymous 04/11/12(Wed)17:03 No.2558951
    >>2558939

    >again implying "The State" isn't made up of "The People"
    >> Anonymous 04/11/12(Wed)17:04 No.2558957
    >>2558929
    >implying "The State" is some evil entity that isn't made up of elected citizens
    >made up of elected citizens
    >elected

    This is your argument... really?
    >> Anonymous 04/11/12(Wed)17:05 No.2558963
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    A propos of my recent article on L'Enfant Terrible, I am asked by a correspondent if I would passively see a woman throw her baby into the fire as a man throws his newspaper. I expected that this question would be put to me; hence it finds me prepared. I answer that it is highly probable that I would personally interfere in such a case. But it is as probable, and perhaps more so, that I would personally interfere to prevent the owner of a masterpiece by Titian from applying the torch to the canvas. My interference in the former case no more invalidates the mother’s property right in her child than my interference in the latter case would invalidate the property right of the owner of the painting. If I interfere in either case, I am an invader, acting in obedience to my injured feelings. As such I deserve to be punished. I consider that it would be the duty of a policeman in the service of the defence association to arrest me for assault. On my arraignment I should plead guilty, and it would be the duty of the jury to impose a penalty upon me. I might ask for a light sentence on the strength of the extenuating circumstances, and I believe that my prayer would be heeded. But, if such invasions as mine were persisted in, it would become the duty of the jury to impose penalties sufficiently severe to put a stop to them.
    >> Anonymous 04/11/12(Wed)17:05 No.2558967
    >>2558935

    For them, taxes are coercion

    Pretty much everything they don't like is coercion, the rest is just fine
    >> Anonymous 04/11/12(Wed)17:05 No.2558969
    >>2558957

    BECAUSE VOTING DOESN'T MATTER RIGHT GUISE XDXDXD SO EDGY
    >> Anonymous 04/11/12(Wed)17:06 No.2558972
    >>2558951
    You honestly believe anything you're told don't you?
    >> Anteater !!VyIROBcMkwf 04/11/12(Wed)17:06 No.2558980
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    >>2558951

    >>again implying "The State" isn't made up of "The People"

    It's not. The framers of the Constitution never even intended it to be. They were incredibly wary about letting the population at large have any control over government institutions.
    >> Anonymous 04/11/12(Wed)17:07 No.2558989
    >>2558664
    First they laugh at you, then they ridicule you, then they violently oppose you, then you win.

    The message of libertarianism is becoming more popular. Statists see this as a threat in the same was religiousfags feel threatened and insecure about atheists. They are shocked and offended that we do not hold to the same esteem the government which they have been indoctrinated into worshiping. Since libertarians present much more logical arguments than the typical neoconservatives, the progressive left see them as much more of a threat to their power. The fact that the establishment media is giving libertarianism more attention and taking them more seriously as ideological enemies is a good thing. It let's you know just how scared they are.
    >> Anonymous 04/11/12(Wed)17:07 No.2558993
    >ITT Stupid shit Libertarians say

    All people should be equal, with equal rights and priviliges. That includes people who call themselves 'the state'. So peopl who call themselves the state should not be able to impose their will on others by force.
    >> Anonymous 04/11/12(Wed)17:07 No.2558998
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    >>2558963

    So basically he is saying children are property.

    So should it be legal for parents to fuck their kids, or sell them into a pedophile ring?
    >> Anonymous 04/11/12(Wed)17:08 No.2559011
    >>2558925
    Without mandated free education, I can't see more than a quarter of children going to school. Between the amount of parents who don't give a fuck (there are more than you think) and the amount of people who would send their children to work due to their poverty (I imagine you want child labor laws repealed), very few people would go to school.
    >> Anonymous 04/11/12(Wed)17:09 No.2559020
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    >>2558989

    >0 states
    >> Anonymous 04/11/12(Wed)17:09 No.2559022
    >>2559011
    >the amount of people who would send their children to work due to their poverty

    good for them
    >> Anonymous 04/11/12(Wed)17:10 No.2559028
    ITT libertardians defend their right to starve babies.
    >> Anonymous 04/11/12(Wed)17:10 No.2559032
    >ITT Stupid shit Libertarians say

    Individual autonomy and freedom is a good thing.
    >> Anonymous 04/11/12(Wed)17:10 No.2559041
    >>2559022
    yeah because we need a less educated populous, clearly our problem is to much education.
    >> Anonymous 04/11/12(Wed)17:11 No.2559049
    >>2559041
    >yeah because we need a less educated populous

    Yeah why not?

    If they are making money who cares
    >> Anonymous 04/11/12(Wed)17:11 No.2559050
    >>2558989

    >appealing to inevitability
    >> Anonymous 04/11/12(Wed)17:12 No.2559064
    >>2559011
    Mandated education. Dubious.
    Government subsidized education. Great, although I'd argue we should only subsidize it for families that can't afford it.
    Government run schools, horrible plan.

    We need a voucher system.
    >> Anonymous 04/11/12(Wed)17:12 No.2559066
    >>2559049

    Because more intelligent human beings is a desirable thing.
    >> Anonymous 04/11/12(Wed)17:13 No.2559080
    >>2559022
    At least they'll have that choice.
    You guys should read some books such as Orange County, about people who used to send their children to work because it was the only way to make enough money to support the family. When the kids were sent to school they could no longer afford basic needs.
    >> Anonymous 04/11/12(Wed)17:14 No.2559087
    >>2559066
    Nope its not
    Free people are allowed to do what they want

    You dont own them, and "society" doesnt exist, you arent naturally associated with other people at all
    >> Anonymous 04/11/12(Wed)17:14 No.2559089
    >>2559028
    Have you been reading this thread idiot? Libertarians in this thread have specifically been trying to argue why you SHOULDN'T starve your baby.
    >> Anteater !!VyIROBcMkwf 04/11/12(Wed)17:15 No.2559101
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    >>2559041

    Are you implying that a huge number of individuals attending compulsory public schools don't actually wish to be somewhere else, and that many of these individuals are acting as nothing but a drain for taxpayer dollars?

    Are you implying that, if those who did not want to go to school did not have to, individuals who DID want to go to school wouldn't be able to excel above and beyond anything they can achieve today?
    >> Anonymous 04/11/12(Wed)17:15 No.2559106
    >>2559080

    >not having a welfare program so kids don't have to work
    >> Anonymous 04/11/12(Wed)17:15 No.2559109
    Children are not property, of their parents or anybody else.

    /thread
    >> Anonymous 04/11/12(Wed)17:16 No.2559124
    >>2559066
    >>2559066
    >implying you derive intellect only from going to school

    Imagine a society where instead of our GPA we can list what books we have chosen to read on our resumes.
    >> Anonymous 04/11/12(Wed)17:16 No.2559128
    >>2559087

    Yes it is.
    >> Anonymous 04/11/12(Wed)17:16 No.2559135
    >>2559089
    they're arguing why you shouldnt, not why it shouldnt be allowed. arguing morals is not the same as arguing law.
    >> Anteater !!VyIROBcMkwf 04/11/12(Wed)17:16 No.2559136
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    >>2559109

    Rothbard wasn't arguing that.
    >> Anonymous 04/11/12(Wed)17:17 No.2559154
    >>2559109
    Read the actual thread before you /thread.
    >> Anonymous 04/11/12(Wed)17:18 No.2559163
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    >>2559089

    Shouldn't =/= Shouldn't be allowed to.

    lolbertarians are only arguing for the former.

    lolbertarians are immoral beasts.
    >> Anonymous 04/11/12(Wed)17:18 No.2559166
    >>2559124
    ok i imagined it. seems like a pretty shitty world. what's to stop people from just lying, even if they dont lie there's nothing guaranteeing that they actually understood the subject matter.
    >> Anonymous 04/11/12(Wed)17:19 No.2559176
    >>2559135
    Again you obviously have not read any of these arguments because we specifically referenced our belief that GOVERNMENT duty is to protect people's right to LIVE.
    >> Anonymous 04/11/12(Wed)17:20 No.2559195
    >>2559163
    >can't argue against a libertarian's views
    >try to change the meaning of libertarianism
    >> Anonymous 04/11/12(Wed)17:20 No.2559207
    >>2559176
    Looks to me like the real argument here is about the purpose of government.
    >> Anonymous 04/11/12(Wed)17:20 No.2559209
    >>2559176

    You're still saying that parents have no duty of care to a child. They may not directly harm the child, but that they should not be coerced into helping it.
    >> Anonymous 04/11/12(Wed)17:21 No.2559230
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    http://www.reasonpapers.com/pdf/26/rp_26_4.pdf

    Suppose, now, with an age of consent law of seventeen years old, which we for argument’s sake stipulate as legitimate, a NAMBLA member accosts a four year old boy. As far as I am concerned, this should be considered illegal. Any parent who allows this to happen should be found guilty of child abuse, which implies not only losing charge of his son, but also a jail sentence. However, there is one exception to this rule. This, presumably, will drive Schwartz to apoplexy, but I persevere nonetheless.

    Suppose that there is a starvation situation, and the parent of the four year old child (who is not an adult) does not have enough money to keep him alive. A wealthy NAMBLA man offers this parent enough money to keep him and his family alive – if he will consent to his having sex with the child. We assume, further, that this is the only way to preserve the life of this four year old boy. Would it be criminal child abuse for the parent to accept this offer?

    Not on libertarian grounds. For surely it is better for the child to be a live victim of sexual abuse rather than unsullied and dead. Rather, it is the parent who consents to the death of his child, when he could have kept him alive by such extreme measures, who is the real abuser.
    >> Anonymous 04/11/12(Wed)17:21 No.2559231
    20/20 Stupid in America
    http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=9069323583494421392
    >> Anteater !!VyIROBcMkwf 04/11/12(Wed)17:21 No.2559234
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    >>2559176

    So it is, then, the obligation of the government to demand that persona A must give up their own property to take care of person B, just as it is the government's right to demand that a parent give up his or her own property to care for his or her child?
    >> Anonymous 04/11/12(Wed)17:21 No.2559236
    >>2559166
    >Implying people can't lie about their GPA/honors on their resume as well.

    You know what, if the employee lies and doesn't do a productive job, then they will just be fired. Thats what already happens anyway.
    >> AntiStatist !VoonmBZbSs 04/11/12(Wed)17:22 No.2559240
    >>2559163
    >immoral
    lol


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