You know I never really saw it that way. lol what retards

NOT RICH...JOB CREATORS

>their face when they realize that big business and big gov. are the same, vote for Ron Paul, and fix America

>>234705
>dislike big business

>favor big government

>poor people voting for people that just want to fuck them in the ass harder

ISHYGDDT

>>234738
Which is better - a system governed "by the people, for the people", or a system governed by the shareholders, for profits?

Granted the government needs some reform. But this is not impossible.

>dislike big government
>dislike big business
>Get called an "edgy hipster anarchist"

>>234738
not inconsistent

murrican dream

>dislike big government

>Favor big cock

job creators? whar b the jobs?

>>234757
>implying the government is not governed by bureaucrats, for profit
with businesses, you have the freedom to choose whether to support corrupt ones or not
with the government, if you dont support corrupt politicians with your hard earned tax dollars, you go to jail

>>234724
More like job destroyers. They kept moving jobs to third world countries because it's more profitable for them. People defending corporations as job creators say that because they think that most American's are not politically literate or aware.

>>234817

>dislike big business
>don't understand how world functions

>>234818
my company employs half a million people, and were always hiring.
come get some.

>>234856
show me a corporation with constitution and democratically elected leaders

>>234856
>Accepting the way the world works
>2011

Where's that revolutionary spirit gone?

>>234865

the United States of America

>>234878
ah, it's tautology tiem

>>234862
If you're always hiring, then that means you're either always expanding, or perhaps always losing employees for one reason or another. I'm guessing a little of column A and a whole lot of column B.

>>234868

middle school.

>>234728
>Ron Paul as president
>Not being fucked over by corporations
Pick one.

>>234724
and china thanks them

>>234934

You think that if we abolish government, we won't get fucked over?!? Seriously?

Ron Paul for president == still fucked by corporations

(due to no regulations)

>>234783
how did you know i was coming on this thread
>>234862
where i'll move

>>234889
true. we are expanding constantly, but have a very large turnover for our lower wage workforce (roughly 40%). we dont drug test, and a lot of employees are fired because of doing drugs at work. also, those jobs are physically strenuous, so if people are out of shape at all (most of america), these jobs would not be for them

>>234951
Lol yeah because corporations all want a free market rite?

Idiot.

>>234983
>implying they don't

>>234992
Based on who they donate to they seem to favor government regulations to suppress competition.

>we need more macdougles ann' mega-marts.

>>234983

Actually, with Ron Paul, we would have more than free markets, we'd have unrestricted markets, meaning able to pollute at will, collude at will, monopolize at will, fire at will, control at will, and what will The People have?

>>235013
But you don't get it! Adam Smith's hand will always be with us and it'll smack any corporation that hurts the environment! The Ludwig von Mises Institute said so and they're always about the truth and historical accuracy!

>>235002

>we need more gubimant subsidized gmo foods ann' cheap labor pradukts from da labor class-centrik china.

>>235027

Right. I forgot free markets cured my sister's cancer, how could it not cure all societal ills, right?

Silly me. Please re-instate my libertard card. I had a moment of weakness. Sure, some call it an attack of reason and logic, but we all know it for what it is...

>all power to the government which is ruled by corporations
>all power to the corporations which rule the government

>hurr
>durr

>herp
>derp

>>235000
the governments of the last decades pursued market deregulation.
big corporations get an edge over normal business through tax evasion and abolishment of anti-cartel laws.
meanwhile neoclassic preachers like mankiw say that in theory cartels are unsustainable because competition can undercut them.
but cartels can temporarily undercut any competitor because they have more breathing space by being filthy rich.

ITT Lots of people who would rather let government give them their daily wages of fake cheese and bread for working their ass off while the people they think they are against are all the fucking same.

>>235108
I didn't know your world was black and white. The best way to run a nation is a fiscally responsible keynesian nation. I mean closing loopholes and adjusting minimum wage towards inflation would be a good start.

>>235108
yeah but i would rather have a government able to kick a corporation in the balls fuck a big fuck up than a corporation that is bigger than my government ready to fuck me to make an extra buck

ATTENTION ALL PAULTARDS, AUSTRIAN-'ECONOMISTS' AND LIBERTARIANS: How do regulations favor big corporations?

>>235137
>fiscally responsible keynesian nation

NEWSFLASH: endless deficits is doing keynes wrong

>>235168
NEWSFLASH: Free markets aren't any better. Can you name a successful free market country?

>>235163
corrupt regulation will. so get rid of corrupt regulation

>>235163
Regulations allow for competition to be dissolved before it can even occur. Why do you think all these bigger then all fuck corporations have all these rules in place? So they don't have to deal with another company coming in to take a slice of the pie.

>Claim to be pro business
>Support big business

>>235163

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bd0aP-VP1wM

>>235198
You mean outlaw lobbying? That's something I could back up
>>235200
You're just repeating yourself. Can you cite an example of regulation that specifically benefits corporations?

>>235209
Again, I see hypotheticals but no actual citations

>Pro business people
>Not voting for Obama

ishygddt

>>235240
>inb4 delusional Paultard tries claiming it's because of free markets

>>235240
>stops in 2010
>dow jones
>representative of "business"
>not of the people who financed obama's campaign

I sure hope you were joking/trolling.

>>235221

http://forhumanliberation.blogspot.com/2011/02/214-monsanto-helps-write-regulations.html

[ ] Not told
[ ] Told
[x] So fucking told your head finally got pulled from your rectum.

>>235255

>stops in 2010

oh very well. This is the most recent chart I could find in google images. It is today at 12,000

>Big business shits all over the little guy by buying our government.
>Liberals protest the government, asking them to get out of big businesses pockets and represent 99% of the population.
>HURR YOU LIBERALS JUST WANT SOCIALIZM!!!11!!

It's not socialism to want your government to represent your interests.

>>235261
I may have read the article wrong, but Monsanto was actually behind proposition for deregulation. They make genetically engineered plants; that's kind of the type of people hippies want to be regulated more.

Are you referring to the fact the USDA discusses legislature with them? Because of course they're going to get advice from one of the most successful companies. Do you want them to go ask a bankrupt company?

the main problem i have with the free market argument is it sounds too much like
'the police are corrupt, get rid of the police'

regulation might be badly made in some areas but it is better than letting anyone just drill for oil and then have 50 bp's instead of just one

>>235319
Huh, I never thought about it like that.

>>235324
is that sarcasm?

>>235340
Lol no. It's just funny how Austrian 'economists' like to mention how the federal reserve makes mistakes. So they say "just get rid of it". It fills my brain full of fuck.

>>235319
"free" market - why not just not call it a market economy? or capitalist economy?

Totally nothing to do with your point but I always found it rather odd.

lets give a proper metaphor for government regulation.

lets say the government decides it will prevent rape. people are too stupid to avoid being raped, so we must make government issued vagplugs mandatory. now nobody gets vaginal sex without an expensive permit from the government. for a while normal and rapists alike switch to anal sex while only the richest get vaginal and rights to reproduce. soon they issue butplugs too to stop the 1% of ass rapers and create an even more strict sexual regulation system. not only is there less fucking and raping, but only a small wealthly portion population gets to get its freak on. the rest of the population starts getting angsty from its pent up sexual frustration and inabilty to thrive.

some people remmeber a time when the governmemt wasnt always up there ass and could fuck however and whenever they wanted. they remember sometimes the sex got a little rough but it was very rare they ever got raped. they see the only ones with the power to fuck are the government and the corporations.
the top pimp class decides they want a monopoly of the pussy and at the direction of the rich pussy permit holders issues a campaign to silence the increasingly angry sex starved peasants. they tell the peasants that theyll all get raped without the government's "protection" and issue muzzles to "save" the people from getting throat fucked too.

half of the peasants revolt and want to take the risk of getting fucked by their fellow man over the guarantee of getting fucked by the elite. the other half fearful of the rape and warnings of the elite defend their chastity gear and repeat the words of the elite. the peasants begin a civil war.

meanwhile nobody gets to fuck. Soon the elite are alone and only get to fuck each other. Some of the elite say if they loosen the chastity gear there will be more pussy to fuck, the others say we must raise the price of permits so that only they can afford to fuck the dwindling peasants.

>>235319
>regulation might be badly made in some areas but it is better than letting anyone just drill for oil and then have 50 bp's instead of just one

The BP oil spill was caused by clinton era regulation that encouraged risky offshore drilling.

>>235355
Because a socialist country has a capitalist society. Austrian 'economists' just want a form of capitalism they can exploit.

>>235365
>The BP oil spill was caused by clinton era regulation that encouraged risky offshore drilling.
Can you provide citation of this legislature?

>>235363

Damn, economics makes me horny

>>235365
drilling in deeper water carries more risk than drilling in shallow water.

I think what really caused a problem is that a significant number of inspections were waived, the engineers were ignored, and the government fast-tracked their paperwork without doing due-diligence. See also- solyndra.

>>235363
>people are too stupid to avoid being raped
Stopped reading from there

>>235363
yes but at the same time they could put in another regulation that was not but pugs and ass pugs. and if they deregulate rape does that mean the abolishment of the sex offender list, will rape now be a crime? what recourse will you have if you get raped?

>>235363

This is... this is...This isn't even a strawman argument.

This is just so full of stupid.

>>235380
But Solynrdra got less than 5% of the green project spending. People just like citing it because "Obama is a socialist herp derp".

>>235375
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deep_Water_Royalty_Relief_Act

There's always a response to the simple minded statist cause and effect, but it requires, you know, knowledge. That's why so many fucking morons think more regulation will turn america into paradise where everyone is rich because the government decreed it.

>>235394
ok read it... it is the reason that they where drilling out there, but not the reason the head leaked. that would be what >>235380
said

>>235394
That didn't state how the policies caused an oil spill. It just stated that they gave incentives to people to drill there.

Here is a good example about how regulations hurt small businesses and not big ones.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/erikkain/2011/10/31/do-government-regulations-hurt-small-businesses/

oh. by the way. has anyone given an example pf a free market working?

>>235393
Negative. I'm citing it because the government didn't do their due diligence or follow their own rules and it wound up an unmitigated failure.

Something bad happens
>HURR DURR MOAR REGULATION!
it turns out the government ignored regulations already in place
>HURR DURR MOAR REGULATION!

I hope you see how this point of view is completely retarded.

>>235421
Deepwater drilling is far more dangerous. Also, there are government liability caps in place which artificially encourage companies to take more risk. Encouraging companies to take more risk while drilling in risky areas.

>>235430
Celtic Ireland, Medieval Iceland, Hong Kong.

>>235427
so this is bad regulation... so we fix it. or... i don't know... remove vested interests from lobbying and let our elected officials get on with their jobs without getting bribed to do it.

>>235434
>Deepwater drilling is far more dangerous.
So you're saying we should have more regulations? Got it.
>Also, there are government liability caps in place which artificially encourage companies to take more risk. Encouraging companies to take more risk while drilling in risky areas.
You don't get it. I'm not saying the policies we have now are perfect. What I'm saying we need these policies otherwise corporations would do whatever the fuck they want.

>>235434
At one time open water drilling was significantly more dangerous than land based drilling.

The largest oil spills in history were on land. The largest oil spill in american history was in California. (Lakeview gusher)

>>235441
celtic ireland? are you talking about the O'Neill clan here? fuck if that is the case i want to be a communist.

need a bit of citation for these

>>235441
>Celtic Ireland
>Medieval Iceland
your face when these aren't modern examples, but I'll give you credit anyways.
>Hong Kong.
>http://finance.yahoo.com/banking-budgeting/article/107980/countries-with-the-biggest-gaps-betwee
n-rich-and-poor
your face when Hong Kong is an example of how the rich will fuck you over if you give the the chance.

>>235482
if you give them*

>>234705

>dont have to patronize big business - can "vote with my dollar"

>big govt has zero motive to do anything in the interest of the people.

Thanks for playing kid. At least I know once your balls drop and you starting getting hair down there you'll have enough life experience to know I'm right.

>>235465
I think he means pre Norman Ireland

>>235482
Quiz time: Would you rather live in Hong Kong, or any other Asian country? Income inequality doesn't mean jack shit if your country grows like crazy, especially since there's a large amount of income mobility anyway. Liberals just bawww about income inequality because they pretend that it's not just the fact that 20 year olds naturally make less then 45 year olds.

>>235529
Say that to my face though guy in Sweden and see what happens!

>>235547
how would he know if prehistoric ireland was a good example of a free market. that would be like saying here is a good example of a free market, Atlantis

>>235558
>Quiz time: Would you rather live in Hong Kong, or any other Asian country?
I would love Japan or South Korea. They know how to govern right and they have great culture.
>Income inequality doesn't mean jack shit if your country grows like crazy, especially since there's a large amount of income mobility anyway.
http://www.thedailybeast.com/newsweek/2007/11/03/the-death-of-social-mobility.html
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/8162616.stm
http://www.businessinsider.com/what-wall-street-protesters-are-so-angry-about-2011-10?op=1
(Just ctrl+f 'social mobility') Protip: social mobility is at it's lowest. The people who are rich now are most likely there because they came from rich families.
>Liberals just bawww about income inequality because they pretend that it's not just the fact that 20 year olds naturally make less then 45 year olds.
"Lol I can't argue him so I'm just gonna make him seem lazy! That'll make me look rily cool"