And so it falls to the cool, fashionable, oh-so-enlightened activists of Occupy Wall Street to help “de-programme people against the brainwashing they’ve experienced”. That is, the oiks must be re-educated by the hipsters. The little people must have their minds cleaned out by their moral and fashion superiors. Occupy Wall Street mashes together the outlook of Kim Jong-Il with the politics of Susan Sarandon, giving rise to a weirdly hippyish yet authoritarian gathering of slackers-cum-elitists.

When they aren’t pouring bile on to the allegedly brainwashed masses, the occupiers spend their time spreading all sorts of demented conspiracy theories about modern political life. “Corporations… run our governments”, they claim, indulging in a David Icke-like fantasy that faceless men-in-suits puppeteer the political sphere. Apparently these evil men, not content with making squillions of dollars and starting billions of wars, have also “poisoned the food supply through negligence”, inflicted “cruel treatment on countless non-human animals”, and “purposefully covered up oil spills”. It sounds like an old episode of Knight Rider, where Michael Knight and Kit would always happen upon some Hicksville village in which a fat, cigar-chomping bloke in a Stetson was evilly making money by any means necessary. That such childish moralism, such a before-the-watershed view of life and politics, now informs what is being labelled the most important radical movement in America would be funny if weren’t so surreal.

Commonism?

Is that supposed to be communism or some play on "common" and isms?

Once upon a time, being Left-wing meant exposing the structural problems with capitalism and putting forward some solutions for fixing or overhauling them. Today, if Occupy Wall Street is anything to go by, it simply means getting all super-moralistic about evil bankers and corporate bigwigs, who apparently are responsible for every ill in the world. Forget analyses of society or programmes for change – these occupiers just want to get their rocks off by pointing a collective finger at billionaires while screaming “Waaaah!”.

It’s more like a two-minute hate than a principled campaign, more a tantrum than a protest, the aim of which is to assuage the inchoate moralistic fury of the sons and daughters of the East Coast bourgeoisie who look at mass America and its inhabitants and feel nothing but pity and disgust. These campaigners are nothing like workers’ movements of old, which brought together principled men and women in a campaign for change; instead they have merely elevated the teenage screech of “I hate you and I wish you were dead!” into a political rallying cry.

No wonder the vast majority of Americans are blocking their ears.

Liberals and the "99%" claim they're against corporations having power but fail to see that the ones they want to bestow all power in, the government, is its self a corporation. Perhaps this is caused by the fact that liberal "brains" are underdeveloped, devolved pieces of muscle matter, that do little more than allow for basic functioning and comprehension of simple, shallow ideology. I've learned not to argue with a liberal or neocon. It's a useless endeavor. Their worldviews are rooted in emotion, pseudo intellectualism, and socialist group-think. Not even the most incisive reasoning can penetrate into their sentimental knee-jerking "brains". When I was 14 years old I was a huge liberal. The older I grew the more I realized that my positions regarding those matters were not based on careful consideration but on parroting whatever liberal opinion-leader was declaring. They just made me feel very smart about my opinion and superior to people who couldn't express their opinions properly or who had a different world-view. Now all I can do is cringe at society as these brainwashed liberals are manipulated on a grand scale to the point that they are so devoid of intelligence that they no longer have the ability to wake up and realize they're just pawns in the Socialist-Jewish agenda to create a slave-race by demoralizing western society and encouraging race-mixing and multiculturalism through our media outlets.

If those reactionary idiots had any real say in decision making, democracy would have been abolished in the US after this guy.

inb4 the shrill cries of "anti-ows corporate shill!" and "class traitor!"

>>231983

the U in the sign is flapping around

An American calling another American a degenerate

Talk about pots and kettles

Are we still giving publicity to these ridiculous attempts to discredit OWS?

It's been made quite clear that the movement doesn't have outlined demands and is simply an anti-system movement that wants to commit to SERIOUS changes to the system.

Any and all media coverage claiming that the movement has a specific set of goals or has a particular political agenda is utter propaganda and should be ignored as such. You can't label a movement as wide-spread and general as this, it's the infant stages of a fucking revolution for fuck's sake. The real question is whether or not the rest of the country will decide to wake up and find out what's REALLY going on in their country.

Whatever. If this person went around to some of the other local Occupies, he'd see the diversity of people who participate in these things.Yeah, some of them are young kids. (Young people 18-24 have the highest rate of unemployment out of ALL social, age and racial groups at around 25%, btw). But lots of them are older folks who either give a shit what happens to their grandchildren or were fucked over by the 2008 crash. Here are some people at the local Occupy San Diego:

http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/2011/nov/04/portraits-of-the-occupy-san-diego-movement/

What's more, this inequality isn't in their minds only. the statistics back it up:

http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/11/03/inequality-trends-in-one-picture/

This guy is unbelievable. He should go back to high school if he doesn't want to hang around with the uncool kids.

>>232010
>implying the country wouldn't be much better off with Nixon as the Fuhrer

>>232083
>Any and all media coverage claiming that the movement has a specific set of goals or has a particular political agenda is utter propaganda and should be ignored as such. You can't label a movement as wide-spread and general as this, it's the infant stages of a fucking revolution for fuck's sake.

This. OWS is immune to criticism, because it is everything and nothing. We are right and all dissent shall fall under foot of our righteous and pure revolution.

Anyone criticizing OWS can rightly shut the fuck up. Look around you for once in your fucking lives - can you honestly say that capitalism works?

I'll just leave this here.

Anon Cliff Notes to Rooting out Shills

>crybaby
>stupid hipster
>iphone
>hippies
>morons who don't know how capitalism works
>kids who want a handout
>tinfoil hat
>bunch of stupid collage kids
>bunch of whiny liberal arts majors
>ignorant fuck
>go back to economics class

The other tactic involves instigating violance

>Can't wait for someone to shoot a cop
>Bring Gasoline and Bricks

NEW:
>Philosophy/WOMEN'S STUDIES (usually all caps) d and degrees
>I was an immigrant and now make 65k etc..
>This is a racist movement
>Soros funds your movement
>Republican+-Democratic rhetoric drawing attention away from real topic
>Posting slurs unrelated to pics or subject
>STARTS NEW THREAD WHEN PROVEN SHILL OR DERAILED
Pass it on

OWS adapts much faster than it can be slandered by insecure idiots.

>>232128
Go use your parents money to get a degree in womens studies.

Not a single person has been able to provide a single valid argument against OWS. That's because we're RIGHT, absolutely and completely. Deal with it.

The future belongs to us. We are THE 99%, not you. The ways of old are dying. There are more revolutionaries among the gen Y age group than there have been in any age group ever before. We are the generation of reason, of revolution. We reject your bullshit system of corruption and greed. No amount of denying or insulting as as "hipsters" will change the inevitable.

>>232148

Refer to the chart

You are a corporate shill

>>232083
>doesn't have outlined demands
>wants to commit to SERIOUS changes to the system.

I think I found a flaw in your grand master plan there, buddy.

>>232154
>Not a single person has been able to provide a single valid argument against OWS.
Except for the racism that you continually insist isn't racism because it can't happen to white people.

>>231964
>blogs.telegraph.co.uk

if you write for the telegraph you've got no business criticising anyone else's lefty credentials.

>>232179
>can't see the obvious righteousness in OWS
>can't see that we represent real change

Go back to watching your Fox News and being brainwashed. Your kind will not be welcome in a true free society.

>>232183

You can't criticize us for the actions of a few. We are bigger than that. We're more important than that. Stop being petty.

Our principles are greater than yours, and that's what makes us invincible, in spite of your lowly ad hominem bullshit..

>>232097
Oh yeah, and there are also families where the parents are teaching their kids about democracy and not backing down. And there are professionals, people who are probably in the top 60-70%, whose motto isn't "I've got mine, Screw you!" Who are volunteering time to help the local Occupies out in any way they can. Not to mention more organized assistance like the Lawyers Guild and local unions. This author has no clue what he's talking about. this is America at its best.

>>232215
>You can't criticize us for the actions of a few. We are bigger than that. We're more important than that. Stop being petty.
So you're denying the people advocating the progressive stack are Occupy organizers as the video evidence suggests? If these people don't represent the movement, why are they speaking authoritatively on a video on a youtube channel devoted to the Occupy movement in a single city? Why do they claim it comes from the main OWS movement and that's why they're adopting it?

>I want free stuff and I want it now!

--typical entitled hipster OWS faggot

>>231984
>No wonder the vast majority of Americans are blocking their ears.

They're blocking their ears because they're so fucking stupid enough to trust the lies of the plutocrats running the show. They don't want to listen to the actual truth, they're too afraid, too stupid, too scared.

But they'll see it soon enough, whether they like it or not. And they will get angry. And the revolution will finally begin.

You're either with us or against us. Make your stand against the forces of evil now, or pay the consequences.

I have no real feelings about the protestors and what they are doing. You always see unrest during rough economic times and this is pretty mild compared to what it could be if America couldn't pull it together.

That being said, I think the videos from the protests are absolutely hilarious. They've really managed to get good coverage of some of the more nutty of the movement
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uE2M7g_IWSE&list=FLw3LIKgAf7m_JjtskFnLa4w&index=3&feature
=plpp_video

>>232253

OWS has no leaders. We are a leaderless movement of true democracy, or true community. You can't judge us on someone claiming to speak for everyone.

Until you've spoken to every single OWS participator in every city, country, and continent, you can kindly keep your fucking mouth shut when speaking against us, thank you very much.

>>232259
>You're either with us or against us.

>>232258

Refer to
>>232128
>kids who want a handout

Koch-bought shill detected
How does it feel to be an enemy of the people?

>every picture of OWS crowd contains 90% white people
>OWS is racist against white people

>>232250
>this is America at its best.

http://dailycaller.com/2011/11/05/chaos-video/

I bet you love all the rapes, too

>>232259
What you will see is your outlook growing ever more conservative and cynical as you grow older.

>>232279
So you encompass every single view encompassed by every member of your protest movement? Then, since there's video evidence of racism among some OWS members, you're still a racist movement. Way to fail at logic, retard.

>we are above criticism, our motives can not be questioned

what is this the USSR? go fuck yourself

>>232264

The videos are all lies perpetuated by capitalist propagandists trying their hardest to make us look bad, with the most pathetic of stereotypical insults. Don't be so blind as to not see their obvious slander.

>OWS
>important

get some congressmen elected then we'll talk...the Tea Party got Paul in.

>>232308

No, every protester speaks for themselves. We welcome all types. Just not people who hate freedom and liberation, like yourselves.

>>232300
Uh, it's not accusations of implicit racism you retard. They openly state they're racist:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SCwhlZtHhWs

>>232321

The system is broken. What we need is real revolution, on every level. The very consciousness of the western world needs to reevaluated if it is to survive any longer, and not collapse under the weight of it's greed.

>>232334
Oh, so you're only for good things? Me too! I often find myself supporting good things, and I generally find myself not in support of bad things. I am the 99%!

>>232301
>believing obvious staged bullshit to try and discredit us

Please.

>>232301
No, this is America at its best, one of the portraits of from the local Occupy San Diego:

Ron Dismuke, 67, downtown resident, retired chaplain

Dismuke sleeps at home but attends most of the general assemblies.

“I’m not trying to discourage capitalism, but the thing is it’s almost like we are our brother’s keeper. We are stewards of our fellow man. For me, in my area of spiritual awareness, it would be a sin for me to turn my back and walk the other way.

“I went back to my senior tower (the first day) and my wife said, ‘What’d you think?’ And I said, ‘This is kind of a youth culture thing going on or something. I don’t know the password to get into the club.’ And she goes, ‘Well, the important thing is do they need you? And can you be a benefit to the movement?’ I said, ‘Yeah, I hope I can bring civility and steadiness to them and hear their heartbreaks.’”

And yeah, I'm sorry that violence and rapes are happening, that the KKK, Nazis and Black Bloc hooligans are leeching off of the movement. But while that is awful and unforgivable, I think that pales in comparison to the shocking police crackdowns. And no, Free Speech does NOT have office hours, and the First Amendment takes priority over zoning and park camping laws. Don't even try to use that line of reasoning.

Reverse racism isn't racism, guise! Please go die in a fire and please explain to MLK if you see him in the next life why you ruined the chances of his dream truly occurring.

ibpetrgaming 7 hours ago

>>232351

The principle of the OWS is for good, yes. Anyone who's actually against wanting to be a free individual and not wanting America to be a corrupt state anymore, can't be described as good themselves.

People who stand with us bolster our movement. People who don't do not count. That's how a true democratic movement of the people works.

And let's face it, they are likely just conservative plants just trying to make us look bad.

>Every bad OWSer is a plant!
>Every anti-OWSer is a shill!
>WE ARE PERFECT, BOW DOWN TO US!

Mm-hm.

>>232315
Oh, I don't think so. The videos I've watched make it pretty well obvious that the people asking questions and recording the responses want to see the people respond like fools. I'm sure there is footage of people responding with rational, well conceived arguments, but it doesn't change the fact that there will be plenty of loons, posers, and weirdos to film at events like this.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oSo-MEiMbac&list=FLw3LIKgAf7m_JjtskFnLa4w&index=2&feature
=plpp_video

A message to OWS

1. Life isn’t fair. The concept of justice - that everyone should be treated fairly - is a worthy and worthwhile moral imperative on which our nation was founded. But justice and economic equality are not the same. Or, as Mick Jagger said, “You can’t always get what you want.” No matter how you try to “level the playing field,” some people have better luck, skills, talents or connections that land them in better places. Some seem to have all the advantages in life but squander them, others play the modest hand they’re dealt and make up the difference in hard work and perseverance, and some find jobs on Wall Street and eventually buy houses in the Hamptons. Is it fair? Stupid question.

2. Nothing is “free.” Sure college is overpriced, but protesting with signs that seek “free” college degrees and “free” health care make you look like idiots, because colleges and hospitals don’t operate on rainbows and sunshine. There is no magic money machine to tap for your meandering educational careers and “slow paths” to adulthood, and the 53 percent of taxpaying Americans owe you neither a degree nor an annual physical. While I’m pointing out this obvious fact, here are a few other things that are not free: overtime for police officers and municipal workers, trash hauling, repairs to fixtures and property, condoms, Band-Aids and the food that inexplicably appears on the tables in your makeshift protest kitchens. Real people with real dollars are underwriting your civic temper tantrum.

>>232401
>but it doesn't change the fact that there will be plenty of loons, posers, and weirdos to film at events like this.

If you're going to hide your obvious seething anti-OWSism behind pandering rhetoric, just fucking admit it.

Read >>232374 and see what kind of purehearted people you're denigrating. You people disgust me.

>>232422
>Life isn't fair

I'm sorry, but NOBODY should be able to make such obscene amounts of money.

>Nothing is free

Help is free. Love is free. Or are you against those as well? Typical of an anti-OWSer.

Look at fucking Norway and tell me that social democracy and free social programs don't work. That's a future America can look forward to. That's what the people want, that's what we represent.

>>232397
This is exactly what Tea Partiers said and still actually believe.

>>232450
>Look at fucking Norway and tell me that social democracy and free social programs don't work. That's a future America can look forward to. That's what the people want, that's what we represent.
You don't want to bear the tax burden that comes with Norway's success, you simply want the benefits of their social programs.

>>232422
But sometimes, you get what you need.

>>232474
So OWS is equivalent to the Tea Party. Glad that's settled and we can move on with our lives.

How about fuck you, statist. You have no right to my property.

How about fuck you, statist scum? Fuck your force and fuck your aggression. Instead of getting some big thug to take my life, liberty, and property away, you instead come over here and take it away yourself, you assholes.

Well, he's got it at least partly right. I don't think anyone ever believed that Occupy was a working class movement.

>>232474

So you're just as bad as they are
Saying "yeah well the neocons do it too" is a self-incrimination, not a defense

>>232423
I didn't think it was rhetoric. I think you'd find these sorts of people in any sort of thing like this no matter the views they hold. Of course there are going to be awkward 20 somethings with incoherent, half-baked political beliefs, and a few attention seekers and weird conspiracy nuts.

And, for some reason, I find the people in these much more interesting than the ones in the tea party. The right's fuck ups are sometimes legitimately scary with their unfocused hatred. The ones on the left usually just seem awkward, sometimes painfully so.

This thread is fucking loopy. Not a day passes by where I don't resent the OWS more and more.

OWSers supporting North Korea
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jMV0TR3pGzg

>>232542

>>232450
Why is that? You keep saying "it's not fair" when life really isn't fair so what's the fucking point? Help and love don't make the world go around. I'm sorry maybe in a perfect world we could all get along and be happy but honestly, if the economy wasn't in the shitter right now would you even have anything to complain about? Do you really mean to tell me that if you created something like microsoft or controlled a major corporation you wouldn't want that money? That you would just give it all back? Maybe you would but the fact of the matter is not everyone cares about helping their fellow man just because "it's right".

>>232524

I thought anti-OWS were against hipster crybabies? Why are you acting like one?

>>232450
>Help is free. Love is free.

'Help' has an opportunity cost. While it may not have a direct financial cost, you could be doing something more profitable with the time you spend 'helping' people. 'Love' is an abstract concept, but odds are you'll spend both time and money on those you love, which results in both financial cost and opportunity cost.

>Look at fucking Norway and tell me that social democracy and free social programs don't work. That's a future America can look forward to. That's what the people want, that's what we represent.

You're comparing a country with around 5 million people to one with over 300 million people. Not only is it easier to manage social programs in a country with less than 1/60th of our population, but they also have a fair amount of natural resources to back up their wealth, most notably oil. Let's not forget the many other factors that can lead to a country's success (or lack thereof).

>>232566
>Maybe you would but the fact of the matter is not everyone cares about helping their fellow man just because "it's right".

Then they should be made to care, and dissenters should be rooted out. We should weeds be allowed to grow in a society of freedom?

>inchoate

Really? That entire blog goes on about whiny screechy kids, then pushes out a log of what can only be described as "der cawledge englesch, yeh". You can't be fucking serious. This has been an issue for me for quite some time. Someone will write a lengthy, simple-minded blog on some stupid shit as if their opinion matters, and out of nowhere and for no reason they will throw in a "word" that no one uses, nor has ever been used in a sentence when speaking or writing to another human being.

This shit boggles my mind. Remember when Shaun of the Dead came out and everyone started using the word "exacerbate"? Yeah I fucking noticed you cocksneezes. Stay consistent, if your news blog boasts a 5th grade vocabulary, you aren't doing yourself any good by throwing in "big words" to somehow make you seem more competent or intelligent.

>>232422
Hello old chap, my name is Charles Dickens. I wrote some decent novels about what happens when you allow too much political and economic power to be concentrated in just a few hands. You see, some of MY very characters, the most powerful ones, also made the point that life was very hard and that it wasn't fair. But what they were REALLY saying was they wanted to have the license to treat others in a harsh and unfair manner. You see, as a society we can determine just how much fairness we want to build into our society so that the powerful can't exploit the poor. Which gets to my second point. You see, in my time, only the privileged received an education. Education was simply priced out of most people's means. Of course, sometimes charity would save a young man of, ::snicker:: great expectations from a life of drudgery, but do we really want to regress to a system where wealth will determine whether or not someone can go to school? What's that, you haven't read any of my novels? Oh well.

>>232542
This is dreadful. It's much funnier when the person posing the questions maintains a low tone and doesn't posture and strut his voice around like an offended rooster. When the person doing the interview (and is hoping it will be funny or make the person interviewed appear foolish) doesn't get emotionally involved in the outcome it makes for better lulz.

>>232603

Dickens is dead. Fuck off.

>>232607

He's a former soviet citizen, of course he'll be emotionally involved when people start calling for a socialist revolution.

>>232624

The biggest argument against the Soviet system is that it produced psychopathic narcissists like Ayn Rand.

>>232624
What makes this sad is that he is one of the weirdos. Some ineffectual, high pitched dork that comes around to these things and gets into shouting matches with the participants. He brings shame to himself by posting this evidence of not being able to keep a cool head when talking politics.

>>232624

Only because he never experienced true socialism. He should realize the good OWS is doing for the world with this.

I sure as hell want a group to lead a revolution to rule this country, who loses their shit at the slightest sign of opposition or disagreement

socialism is sure working great over in Europe! They've never been stronger and more financially stable!

>>232542
>dirty foreign slavshit insulting Americans for occupying "his" town

>>232652

>>232652
Because socialist revolutions have never led to 'true socialism'...?

>>232566
And that's not to say I don't give a fuck about my fellow man but there's a line you have to draw. The sad fact is half of you fucking people are only acting up because the way you live your life and the comforts you are accustomed to are not as easy to obtain as they once were, maybe some of you people care but a majority of you don't even know what the fuck you're protesting for other than the fact that it threatens your way of life. I can't blame you but shit at least have a single cohesive idea to push for instead of some bullshit list of demands. You talk about how these shitty articles claim to discredit the movement when from what I've seen the movement is it's own worst enemy worse than anything rush limbaugh or fox news has to say about you. You can literally ask 5 different ows people the same question and get a different answer every time.

>>232669

True socialism and true capitalism really depends on the socialist and capitalist you talk to. I doubt Marx and Smith would see their systems anywhere in today's world (or anywhere in the last 80 years).

>>232422
>2. Nothing is “free.” Sure college is overpriced, but protesting with signs that seek “free” college degrees and “free” health care make you look like idiots, because colleges and hospitals don’t operate on rainbows and sunshine. There is no magic money machine to tap for your meandering educational careers and “slow paths” to adulthood, and the 53 percent of taxpaying Americans owe you neither a degree nor an annual physical. While I’m pointing out this obvious fact, here are a few other things that are not free: overtime for police officers and municipal workers, trash hauling, repairs to fixtures and property, condoms, Band-Aids and the food that inexplicably appears on the tables in your makeshift protest kitchens. Real people with real dollars are underwriting your civic temper tantrum.

You can, however, make higher education affordable and not based on massive debt.

>>232670

You think the OWS people having different views is a bad thing?

Collectivist detected.

>>232656
Actually, Europe is fine. It's their banks that fucked up, their banks that bought into the whole neo-liberal dream that markets are inherently stable, that you can never have too many complex "financial services" in your portfolio, and that if the banks fuck up, you can always impose austerity measures on the people to make up losses.

>>232656

That's because there's still so much capitalist corrupting rotting the system. Only a pure global socialist government can work. The anti-OWS fools will see the error of their ways once it's brought into fruition.

>>232670
>The sad fact is half of you fucking people are only acting up because the way you live your life and the comforts you are accustomed to are not as easy to obtain as they once were

Yeah, that's not a cause for distress or anything.

>>232692
And then they win votes by claiming that they will "maintain the welfare state" even when they'rë actively dismantling it.

>>232656
>One of the few countries dumb enough to model their economy on modern America's goes belly up
>HURR DURR EUROFAG SOCIALISM IS A FAILURE SUPERIOR AMERICAN SOCIAL DARWINISM IS GREAT

>>231964
>taking a personal blog as a legit source just because of the host
>HURRRRRRRRRRRRRRR

>>232497
Wow, you and your stuff are not the center of the universe dude, sorry to break it to you. The movement is about fighting an entire corrupt system that is systematically extracting wealth from the people and the public coffers of the United States, through the bribery of the very legislators who are supposed to protect us.

I can never place a static opinion on OWS as a whole. I see an intelligent speaker, I go "well okay I guess they have good ideas...". But then I see that fiasco at the Americans for Prosperity thing, and that feeling vanishes instantaneously. Then I see them getting gassed and beaten by cops, and I develop sympathy. Then I see a group of protestors threatening to cut up and/or maim any sort of dissenters, and once again that sympathy fades.

Listen you retards, you are not Ghandi. You are not Martin Luther King. They represented a voice and tremendous amounts of willpower. OWS has a bunch of street urchins throwing out mindless slogans. It is far too heavily divided. One group will seem in the right and peaceful, then another will be breaking shop windows, raping and looting.

Ghandi starved himself nearly to death, got beaten nearly to death, sacrificed decades of his life and what little life he had was in self created poverty. He did not sit in a tent tweeting his friends. He did not write catchy, childish rhetoric on cardboard placards.

None of you are allowed to compare yourselves to Ghandi. All of you are disorganized, pussy little shits. Ghandi didn't even HAVE a tent. Fuck you.

>>232741
>taking a personal blog as a legit source

But the OWSers personal blogs are legit, because they happen to agree with you

If the movement is really that irrelevant, why do conservatards come up with such rabid, irrational response full of strawmen and insults?
If anything , OWS has shattered into pieces their pathetic veneer of righteousness and rationalism.
UMAD, capitalism shills?

>>232693
Let me be a little clearer then. Ask 5 people what they are protesting against. Not their personal or emotional stake in it, I'm not asking for a fucking hivemind I'm asking for a solid realistic goal, not a fucking bunch of half assed, half thought out proposals that would literally change us overnight without any idea of long term repurcussions.There did I make myself clear for you faggot or do you need a tl;dr? GET A SINGLE GOAL AND STICK TO IT AND WORK TOWARDS IT, NOT 10, NOT 5, 1. YOU HAVE TO CRAWL BEFORE YOU CAN WALK.

>>232768
Nobody said that he was Ghandi. And you yourself mention that Ghandi gave decades of his life to free India. The movement isn't even two months old yet. It might fizzle out, or it might catch fire depending on the leadership that develops and how willing OWS and the American people are willing to slug it out. We shall all see.

>>232768
>protest
>Not Gandhi? Fuck you.

I think you may have some unreasonably high standards.

>>232692
Except for a few minor things...

1. Private universities overall are better than public universities. There's a reason why the "evil capitalist colleges" in America are some of the top in the world.

2. Part of the reason that tuition has increased is that there has been an increased demand for college degrees, which is caused by a combination of more technical jobs and the mindset that people 'have to go to college'. The other part of it is that government subsidization allows (private) universities to jack up their prices, since they know that the government will pay the bill for poorer people. To keep this pattern from continuing, you would either have to cut subsidization, which would theoretically leave poorer people out in the cold, or make just about every university publicly-funded, which would decrease their quality over time.

>>232860
maybe the tea party and occupy movement are the very, very early beginnings of the personal armies the right and left would wield against each other in street battles and such if the country doesn't pull it together and becomes bad like the Weimar republic.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SaZF4FJ2eUA&feature=related

Lol these guys. Getting all heated

>>232899
And that's part of the reason the OWS movement is so infamously decentralized: so it can provide an inviting forum for all sorts of people. I mean, look what happened at Nashville a few days ago:

http://www.tennessean.com/article/20111104/NEWS01/311040072/1969/NEWS

And especially for long term goals like campaign finance reform, that stuff will only happen after a long and tough fight. But if people like these two groups can meet and hash out ideas at the local level, real progress can be made.

>>232946
>Vanderbilt
>these two groups can meet and hash out ideas
I think they're just pussified from having such a laughably shitty football team.

>>232880
That's a little faulty logic there. There are lots of solid public universities. We're the only industrialized nation that straps young people with this kind of debt. It's shameful. And worse, it makes us less economically competitive.

>>232946
>so it can provide an inviting forum for all sorts of people.

Including violent radicals, which you welcome with open arms. That will eventually bring about the death of you, or the death of everyone else, once you get off the ground.

>>233028
OK, be serious now. There are stories of hard core Tea Party members shaking hands with OWS protesters after finding common ground. And Occupations reaching out to the community. Remember how Occupy Oakland was such a mess? Well, this was partly because the Occupy group provided food and child care to the local community, much of it homeless. These connections are important.

>>233036
>There are lots of solid public universities.

"Private universities overall are better than public universities."
"Overall"

There are some good public colleges, but college for college, private ones are better.

>We're the only industrialized nation that straps young people with this kind of debt.

We don't require students to go to college. While college is becoming more important in today's job market (as I've mentioned), it's still not compulsive. It's entirely possible to learn the equivalence of a college major with independent study, given the vast amount of resources floating around, but it's significantly much more difficult.

If you're going to try to get fully-funded colleges going, I suggest starting out in your own state. On a smaller level, it's less likely to fail miserably.

>>233154
>We don't require students to go to college
>try to get anything above a mcjob or basic construction
>suddenly, degrees required everywhere

derf

>>233046
OWS will have to figure that out for itself. On the one hand, free speech is crucial to OWS, especially since it has been shut up and shut down by the police, often times quite violently. On the other hand, OWS doesn't have to serve as a forum for these extremist voices. Just because OWS lacks a strict structure, this does not mean that it lacks ALL structure whatsoever. There are ways, through consensus and discussion that a group can express disapproval of, say, welcoming Neo-Nazis or militia movements.

>OWS turns violent.
>riots, looting, raping
>rich people are targeted
>then just successful people
>then anybody they want
>then the movement is finally brought to an end with a good police crackdown
>republicans dominate american politics formover a hundred years


yay just what I always wanted


seriously this movement is pathetic.

its so lame when a guy puts hit foot under that motorcycle and screams like a bitch. like he was actually in pain. pathetic.

>>233198


I WANT TO MAKE 999999999 DOLLARS A YEAR
>well you'll need college and damn fine grades, connections, and a slew of other bullshit to get through.
I GRADDED WITH A GPA OF LIKE 2.3, WHERES MY 9999999999 dollars A DAY
> well sorry son we dont hire just anybody, you clearly didnt work for it. did you really think sitting around and just barely passing would help you?
OCCUPY

>>233198
>degree required for mcjob

The value of an American college degree flawlessly exemplified.

>>232259
Oh look, it's exactly the kind of arrogant, moralistic, juvenile faggot the OP was talking about.

>>233390
hehe, well played.

>wrinkle nose

>do nothing and stay at home while pretending to be "left" on a blog

>>233198
My favorite are listings for "entry level" jobs that require a bachelor's degree plus 3-5 years of professional experience in a laundry list of different areas

>>231983
I think they don't know how to spell.
>This is bring down capatalism day!
>capatalism

>>232942

>Guy saying we need to do away with capitalism.

Fuck this asshole. Coca-cola exists because there is a demand for delicious beverages. Communists seem to think that everything on the market that even hints at some sort of materialistic behavior is bad and needs to be removed. People have enjoyed having shit and doing shit for all of mankind's history because it makes them happy.

If you care:

Occupy Vancouver had a death. Some woman was OD'ing on heroin. They called 911 after a while of realizing their medical knowledge couldn't help. However when the paramedics arrived, they didn't quite make it easy for the paramedics (hell, they had protesters attempting to damage the ambulance). They got her out. Attempted to save her. And failed. Too much time had been wasted. There have also been issues with the fire department (crowded tent city + flammable tents + propane burners etc = ??? [firefighters call this a hazard, occupy doesn't agree]). Other things notice have been an increase in abuse of IV drugs.

I was watching some of the livestreams yesterday. Cops don't need to bust in to tear it apart, they're already tear themselves apart.

It's funny, because all of this fighting to stop interest groups from "co-opting the movement" completely ignores the fact that it's already been co-opted by the radical left. The sad part is that the initial reasons for the protests; limiting the influence of money in politics, etc, have been forgotten in lieu of easily shouted superlatives like that the banks are responsible for all the worlds evils, and without capitalism we would all be riding unicorns and bartering their farts for the newest iPad in our new money-free economic system.

>>234987

I'm sure that's the homeless flocking to the bright warm tents under the pretense of helping along the cause and putting the protesters in danger with their addiction.

>>234987

christ

People camped out for months on end during Vietnam. I already don't notice these people, it's really just sad now.

>>234987
>>234987
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>>234987
and not a single fuck was given that day

ITT: Faggots being trolled, hard.

Either that, or one seriously deluded 'intellectual' that no one has called out yet.

Either way, you're all faggots.

>>235046
>>235040
>>235034

Can't wait for VPD to remove them. It's gonna be a pain. People will probably riot, and like good Canadians they will call police brutality if the cops do anything period. After all, the Stanley Cup riots were full of police brutality allegations despite all the looting/vandalism.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3QZlp3eGMNI

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SCwhlZtHhWs

>>235120

Wow.

Just... wow.

>>235120

Best comment:

"All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others." - George Orwell

That fucker needs more thumbs up.

>>235120

i don't see a problem with what happened.

>>235219

This is the first damn thing I thought of.

>>235120
>>235120
I can't believe that!!!

>>235228

>>235120
First thing I thought of.

>>232083
>the exact person the article was describing

>>234987
To be fair though, Vancouver is a fucked up city. Its like you combined the worst elements of Portland (Oregon), Detroit, and Hong Kong into some kind of unholy Chimera.

>>232189
Not sure if troll.

>>232259
>pay the consequences.

>call everyone brainwashed
>spout the same hollow leftist drivel about revolutions and change that you'll find in any socialist/communist propaganda leaflet over and over again until you believe it
>call anyone who disagrees a shill

>>235120

WHAT THE FUCK, LET HIM SPEAK. HE IS AN ELECTED POLITICIAN FOR FUCK'S SAKE.

AND WHAT IS A FUCKING "PROGRESSIVE STACK"? DO THEY EVEN KNOW WHAT RACISM IS? FUCK YOU.

To that OWS twat in the thread, fuck you. You're little movement in my country is frankly disgusting. You say you stand for the 99% but when I went up to my city's 'occupy' movement I was quite frankly boiling with rage, where the fuck do these kids get off saying they stand for me? Sitting there with their £500 tablets £1K macs, that's more than this PC i'm typing on. How the fuck do these people manage to go squat for a month, I can't afford to do that. So how can they represent me?

I'm white working class, and you shits have nothing in common with me, and beleive me, should the west ever turn Communist, you and your 'socialist champions' we be the first to be lined up against a wall and shot, as you are the lazy, entitled, undesirables

>>235491
They're the useful idiots. Let them get on with it, they will change nothing other than normal peoples blood pressure.