K-pop is atheist propaganda.

That still doesn't change the fact that believing in any of major world religions is retarded.

Sure, god may or may not exist. Your retarded little book of fables is stupid.

I started reading a book about quantum physics the other day. Fascinating stuff. I wish I was good at maths.

>>2284804
ive actually lived a wholesome christian life

come at me bro

mfw atheists have no answer

>Atheism: a lack of belief

>Hey guys, since we all believe the same thing, lets get together and form a club and preach our message to the world!

>Atheists
>Not massive retards

I'm a non-religious person but fuck am I associating with that lot.

>>2284844
>but fuck am I associating with that lot.
Meant to say fuck IF* I am associating with that lot

I don't like them, see

...There are hundreds of billions of galaxies in our universr. Each has hundreds of billions of stars. Each of those stars could have planets that have life. Each of those planets have moons that could have life.
Wouldnt you say that based on the odds, there is a planet/moon similar to the Earth out there? The evidence is right in front of us. There is no evidence of God.

>Meanwhile you ignore all the ontological equations that support god

It is possible that there are universes where Taeyeon is my girlfriend
If it is possible that there are universes where Taeyeon is my girlfriend, Taeyeon must be my girlfriend in all possible universes
Therefore Taeyeon is my girlfriend

>this is the standard that theists will REALLY accept as long as it helps justify their fairy tales

Atheists are usually naturalists who base their view on science. Science adjusts its beliefs based on observation.

Religion disregards observations in order to maintain belief.

Seems like a no brainer to me.

I accept the possibility of life elsewhere. What I don't do is assume that supposition is the same thing as fact.

Drake's equation is a thought experiment, I don't see that it's anything more than that.

>>2284786
What ontological equations?
>>2284844
Lack of belief of god, or things without evidence. Not belief of everything ever.

>>2284855
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made me lol

also heres your thinking

>Life on earth exists
>Therefore life must also exist somewhere else despite us not knowing the conditions for life yet

See, it makes no sense

>Most of them believe that aliens must exist somewhere in the universe despite there not being a shred of evidence
>despite there not being a shred of evidence

We exist OP. Aliens are just extra-terrestial lifeforms. Although it's possible this is the only life in the universe it's also horrendously tiny possibility considering how vast the universe is.

>>2284870
>What is the probability of a planet supporting life?
>Really fucking low.
>What's the number of planets?
>Really fucking high
>What's the probability of another planet supporting life?
>Pretty good.

>>2284877
>The universe is big

> Therefore aliens exist

Why cant atheists admit that they are faithful people?

Captcha:
Missusi hope

>>2284894
They can. They just require a good argument. Arguments for gods are all incredibly shitty, while the ones against are pretty good (though none foolproof).

>>2284899
>while the ones against are pretty good

There isnt a single argument against god.

Meanwhile there are many arguments that support him.

>>2284905
Not a single argument?
What, you haven't heard of evil?
And give an argument for, that's not a piece of shit.

nah fuck that, a super being that we're a part of or some shit like that could easily be reality, so could aliens.

i'm an atheist but i don't give a fuck if you believe in god, i have all sorts of shit i randomly believe without it truly being justifiable, i just happen to not believe in god.

>>2284916
...What? You think that for God to exist he would have to hold everyones hand? Sort of ruins the point.

>>2284929
No, but if the guy loves us so much maybe hurricanes and volcanoes were really shitty ideas?

The cosmological argument argues that there was a "first cause", or "prime mover" who is identified as God. It starts with a claim about the world, like its containing entities or motion.
The teleological argument argues that the universe's order and complexity are best explained by reference to a creator God. It starts with a rather more complicated claim about the world, i.e. that it exhibits order and design. This argument has two versions: One based on the analogy of design and designer, the other arguing that goals can only occur in minds.
The hypothesis of Intelligent design proposes that certain features of the universe and of living things are the product of an intelligent cause.[17] Its proponents are mainly Christians[18].
The ontological argument is based on arguments about a "being greater than which cannot be conceived". It starts simply with a concept of God.[19] Avicenna,[20][21] St. Anselm of Canterbury and Alvin Plantinga formulated this argument to show that if it is logically possible for God (a necessary being) to exist, then God exists.[19]
Arguments that a non-physical quality observed in the universe is of fundamental importance and not an epiphenomenon, such as Morality (Argument from morality), Beauty (Argument from beauty), Love (Argument from love), or religious experience (Argument from religious experience), are arguments for theism as against materialism.
The anthropic argument suggests that basic facts, such as humanity's existence, are best explained by the existence of God.

People tend to think life is somehow special, most likely because we're alive

Life is just a chemical that makes a copy of itself, it's not a soul or a person or a mind

Qualia-based arguments: Some philosophers see the existence of Qualia (or the hard problem of consciousness) as strong arguments against materialism and therefore for the existence of material and immaterial entities.
The transcendental argument suggests that logic, science, ethics, and other serious matters do not make sense in the absence of God, and that atheistic arguments must ultimately refute themselves if pressed with rigorous consistency.
The argument from degree, a version of the transcendental argument posited by Aquinas, states that there must exist a being which possesses all properties to the maximum possible degree in order for such properties to be coherent.
The will to believe doctrine was pragmatist philosopher William James' attempt to prove God by showing that the adoption of theism as a hypothesis "works" in a believer's life. This doctrine depended heavily on James' pragmatic theory of truth where beliefs are proven by how they work when adopted rather than by proofs before they are believed (a form of the hypothetico-deductive method).
The argument from reason holds that if, as thoroughgoing naturalism entails, all human thoughts are the effect of a physical cause, then there is no reason for assuming that they are also the consequent of a reasonable ground. Knowledge, however, is apprehended by reasoning from ground to consequent. Therefore, if naturalism were true, there would be no way of knowing it—or anything else not the direct result of a physical cause—and one could not even suppose it, except by a fluke.

>>2284940
>don't know why something happens
>must be god

>>2284963
>want aliens to exist in my wet dreams

>must be aliens

>>2284940
>The cosmological argument argues that there was a "first cause", or "prime mover" who is identified as God.
Special pleading. What created God? Why do you stop the infinite regress at God? Even if the universe was designed, it would not imply the designer was "God".

>The ontological argument

In this argument, existence is given as one of God's attributes as part of the definition: if X is God, then X has the property of existence. This is logically equivalent to "if X does not exist, then X is not God." It does not prove that there are any entities that actually match the definition.

Existence can hardly ever be considered an attribute, as something nonexistent cannot have attributes. Therefore, making conclusions about existence of an entity based on its properties is not logically sound. In short, this argument boils down to "show me a god, and I'll show you an existing god." It is a form of circular reasoning because the existence is built into the assumptions.

Here are some examples of this proof that highlight the fallacy.

Unicorns:

Let us define a unicorn as a magical equine being that has one horn, and that exists.
By that definition, such a being must necessarily exist.
Therefore unicorns exist.

Shangri-La:

Shangri-La is the greatest place on earth.
A place that exists is greater than one that doesn't.
Therefore, Shangri-La exists.
>>2284942

Not all atheists are materialists. Look up Arthur Schopenhauer if you think atheism is incompatible with Kantianism/idealism.

>>2284965
The disbelief in something doesn't assert the belief in something else. This is just a very bad false equivalence.

>>2284965
>Frog Taeyeon
>not an alien

ishiggydiggy

>>2284942

>Qualia-based arguments

Atheism =/= Materialism

See: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sIr22Puh1Wk

>>2284965
>think in all likelihood alien life exists
>also think the chances of us finding it or coming into contact are extremely small
>realise it'll never happen in my lifetime
>belief has no consequence
>logically founded
>go on with life

>>2284940
Cosmological makes no sense, as a first cause could be anything, and is just a nice way to shoe-horn god in. Also begs the question, what created god.
Teleological doesn't explain anything better explained by science.
Intelligent Design is retarded. I really don't need to discuss it.
Ontological is a word game, which comes down to semantics and doesn't prove anything.
Morality is bullshit, beauty is double bullshit, love is triple bullshit, and religious experience is ultra bullshit.
Anthropic is seriously outdated, science explains better.
>>2284942
Qualia needs more research before anything can be taken out of it, it's a seriously strange topic, but more research and knowledge is needed (it currently goes to no one)
Transcendental is wrong, pure and simple.
Argument from degree is dumb, other explanations that are also dumb exist anyway.
Will to believe doctrine is interesting, but doesn't suggest existence of god.
Argument from reason doesn't relate to god.

The age of empiricism will whither away and die in a few hundred years. It will dawn on the scientific community one person at a time that the complexities of reality exceed our observational or computational capacities. A metaphysics formed independently of experimentation will have to be constructed to fill the massive gaps empiricism will never fill.

"I believe that the most fruitful principle for gaining an overall view of the possible world-views will be to divide them up according to the degree and the manner of their affinity to or, respectively, turning away from metaphysics (or religion). In this way we immediately obtain a division into two groups: scepticism, materialism and positivism stand on one side, spiritualism, idealism and theology on the other. We also at once see degrees of difference in this sequence, in that scepticism stands even farther away from theology than does materialism, while on the other hand idealism, e.g., in its pantheistic form, is a weakened form of theology in the proper sense... As far as the rightness and wrongness, or, respectively, truth and falsity, of these two directions is concerned, the correct attitude appears to me to be that the truth lies in the middle or consists of a combination of the two conceptions..."

-Kurt Godel

>>2284990
>think in all likelihood God exist
>also think the chances of us finding it or coming into contact are extremely small
>realise it'll never happen in my lifetime
>belief has no consequence
>logically founded
>go on with life

>>2285011
Okay, fuck you.
The day humans go "Y'know what, maybe we shouldn't bother?" is the day we all fucking die.

one day we will go to other stars and planets, there IS ways to prove aliens exist or not.

we will NEVER be able to prove if god exists or not

>Meanwhile you ignore all the ontological equations that support god
>ontological arguments for God are so retarded that even St. Thomas "Here's 5 proofs for the existence of God" Aquinas thought it was bullshit

>>2285014

I'm not an anti-theist, so I don't care. I'm just willing to defend my philosophical views to improve my rhetoric.

Is this entire topic just a massive monologue from OP? The only thing that could possibly make this faggier is if OP were a tripfag.

Sage.

>>2285014
>logically founded
>belief has no consequence
Sounds like these two parts are wrong

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>>2285023

To be honest, Thomas Aquinas was a much better philosopher than Rene Descartes.

Sure, I disagree with him on the theism issue, but to reject him solely for that is stupid.

>>2285039

well, you being buttpained and buttdevastated about me being a teist isn't really a consequence, you shall deal with it.

ITT: Ad-hominem.

>>2285052

>teist
>Zyzz

Confirmed for troll

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>>2285059
That wasnt me

:3

>Stay classy atheists.
Thanks, I'll do my best.

>>2285059

>mad as fuck because someone believes in god instead of edgy aliens

>>2285007
> hurr durr everything is bullshit
> doesn't explain why

Honestly, the more I read about your bullshit, the more I believe that Atheists are retarded

>>2285076
Morality is mostly subjective, other then a few things which are much better explained by societal need then god.
Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, as in subjective and not explained by god.
Love, does not have anything to do with god. It's people, and certain things between them. God doesn't enter in to it.
Religious experience is, pure and simple, bullshit.
Better?

>>2285073
theyre mirin

>Meanwhile you ignore all the ontological equations that support god
we know what that actually is so it won't work here, try elsewhere

>>2285052
Oh god Zyzz, why... why did you die!

www.debunkingskeptics.com/

>>2284786
religiousfags

can't handle not being special in the universe

just cant handle the truth

ALIENS!? ALIENS ARE HOT AS FUCK.

I certain it is every man's desire to cross breed with superior alien species.

>>2285104

Primarily devoted to the self-promotion of the "founders". Contains misleading disinformation purporting to criticize skeptics, actually devoted to promoting conspiracy theories and the occult. Plagiarizes the name of a legitimate organization.

>>2285102

>2012
>still believes zyzz died
>not knowing he faked his dead because some anons were blackmailing him

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>that autism

Every Atheist's dream come true

>>2285102
Holy shit... Zyzz died? I checked google just now and am just figuring this out. Where the fuck was I?
That's what you get for pumping roids. Guy was so young.

>>2285128
fuck you atheist hippie

>>2285123

Instead of defending your views, you just label them as insane. You're starting to spew out ad hominem attacks now.

A couple of those posts were nicely written, but instead of ignoring the more idiotic ones. You lumped them in all together. Nice job.

Well, I'm out of here.

>>2285149

sauce?

Atheist
"If you roll a six-sided die a million times, chances are you will get 5 at least once"

Theists
"BUT HOW CAN YOU ASSUME THAT WITHOUT TRYING FIRST?!?!?"
lol

>>2285148
http://zyzzcentral.com/2011/08/14/zyzz-conspiracy-theory/

>Aliens: Chemicals that can copy themselves on a planet other than earth
>chemicals exist everywhere
>chemical reactions are not anything special

>God: magical sky wizard
??

Religion + K-pop = Worst thread ever

>>2285140
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K7OxJhtDlXw
Watch this video

>>2285166
>God: magical sky wizard

This has always been a strawman and i dont know why atheists still use it

>>2285180

>implying you have any right to claim arguments fallacious after this:

>>2285123

>>2285166

>God: Chances are that some entity created the universe

>Atheist: lol the wrold came fron the nuthin u christard

>>2285192
Why, the fuck, is there any chance an entity created the universe? What kind of reasoning do you have?

>>2285188
you samefag detector is broken

Even koreans with the highest IQ in the world are christian

ARE YOU EVEN TRYING ATHEISTS?

>>2285192
>God: Chances are that some entity created the universe
>also, this entity had a Jewish carpenter son who died and came back to life later on
>also, this entity hates buttsex, pork, shellfish and fucking outside of marriage
>also, this entity loves you but will send you to a place of everlasting torment if you do not believe in it

>>2285196

Yeah because it makes more sense the atheist approach:

>fist nuthin then lol ezxplosion bigg and then planets then fish then fish growed arms Xd and the animal and humen xdd lol

>God creates man in his image
>mans biology is flawed
>therefore god is flawed

>>2285192
>Chances are that some entity created the universe

>he hasn't watched every minute of
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ImvlS8PLIo

>he's applying human intuitions to the entire universe because obviously space and time should work the same way as objects familiar to primates on a 10^-3 to 10^3 scale

>>2285214
>Not believing in god because these silly details dont fit your agenda

Youre gonna have to reason with it a bit

>>2285214

>thinks theism=christianism
>thinks that a man written tale has something to do with the fact that there was a creator

4/10 would laugh again

>>2285217
Uh.
>Major event, we don't know what happened beforehand, rapid expansion outward from this event (predicted from the outward movement of the universe), random distribution of matter causes small clumps as planets and stars, one or more can sustain life, small self-replicating chemicals form eventually building into more complex forms to eventually make man

>>2285222

>Implying god has to be perfect
>again confusing theism with christianism

>Ten thousand billion habitable earth like planets exist in the universe
>none of them except earth have any life because of God

>Drake's equation
>implying it's absolute proof that aliens exists and not an equation with a butt load of unknowable variables

Objects familiar to our primate brains in human culture tend to have a creator or maker, most often a human mind

Therefore the incomprehensible quantum fabric of space and time, which by most accounts in modern cosmology has zero net energy, must also have a "creator" which we tend to think of in terms of a human-like mind or intelligence

Oh also let's just ignore that "creator" in human culture means rearranging existing energy and matter into a new thing, whereas that's not even possible for an entire universe

Nobody in the astrobiological community takes the Drake equation seriously.

>>2285235

>we don't know what happened beforehand
>therefore you can't know if there was a god

>atheists

ya blew it

>>2285243
this

God is the concept of a leader

Enjoy your slavery.

>>2285244
We don't know doesn't equate god, it equates we don't know. Claiming god is like claiming banana created the universe, why the fuck would you?
>>2285251
Yes, that's accepted, but within limits. There's reasonable faith (things exist outside the human mind) and there's unreasonable (sky wizard)

>>2285251
>implying faith is in any way necessary to measure the redshift of galaxies

>>2285257
>is the concept of a leader

>Gives you free will

>>2285264
>implying free will doesn't exist without god

>>2285244

Enjoy your delusions.

Because I certainly will, lol.

>>2285270
>The universe existing without god

>Possible

>>2285286
>he still doesn't know how the universe has 0 net energy

>atheists

>>2285296
Atheism:

The belief that nothing exists because thats the only way for their crazy religion to make sense

>>2285303
>belief
>not measurement

>>2285303

>complains about straw men
>uses a straw man

Oh, wow.

>>2285303
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>>2285235
Fucking seriously, I get that you've been trolling this entire thread but at least remember when I've already talked about something!

kpop thread?

>Athiest Vs. Religion thread.
>Korea thread.
>huurr i trol u.
>Over 100 replies.
>/pol/ confirmed for shit tier board that will get raped by /int/ in the babby cup.
>yfw

>>2285313
>your life can only have meaning if you believe in god

i feel sorry for you, lol

"Man's unfailing capacity to believe what he prefers to be true rather than what the evidence shows to be likely and possible has always astounded me. We long for a caring Universe which will save us from our childish mistakes, and in the face of mountains of evidence to the contrary we will pin all our hopes on the slimmest of doubts. God has not been proven not to exist, therefore he must exist."
-Prokhor Zakharov

I like watching Christfags bring up arguments that were debunked years ago.

>ontological equations that support god

You have got to be kidding me.

>Atheists constantly force it down peoples throats

That's funny, I was under the impression that Atheism was a lack of belief in god, not an agenda. But if we want to judge groups (and Atheists aren't really a group) by their most vocal followers, I'm sure that will work out just great for you.

maybe I'm the only one but, science kinda helped me believe in God

Since OP is a religion-tard, he doesn't listen to math, reason, or probability.

There are roughly 300000000000000000000000 stars in the Universe. That's 300 Sextillion. Each of those stars could host planets, and each of those planets could host moons.

IF YOU ACTUALLY THINK THERE ISN'T A PLANET SIMILAR TO EARTH IN THE UNIVERSE, THEN YOU HAVE OFFICIALLY GONE FULL-RETARD.

This is why religion will be completely gone in several centuries - It just hinders free thought and the progression of humanity as a whole.

Keep being a complete fucktard though, OP.

>>2285313
I read it and it makes no sense

hurrr durr a hot dense ball of nothing expanded for no reason to create random distributing bits out of nowhere

HUR HURH URRRRRRRRRRR

>>2285303
wut

>>2285324
The idea that everything is too complex to happen "by chance" is fucking retarded.

It's everything BUT chance.

>>2285325
>This is why religion will be completely gone in several centuries

See >>2285011

>>2285324

How so?

Why would God ignore the roughly 13.6 billion years of time where humans didn't exist? Why would God ignore the 300000000000000000000000 OTHER stars in the Universe?

>>2285326
I also believe in god because all that smart stuff is too hard

>>2285351

Who says he did. The Catholic church has certainly acknowledged that god works in mysterious ways, and other creations would be gods work as well. Now whether that's genuine or just covering all the bases, it's up to you. What ever floats your boat. ;-)

>>2285316

>/pol/
>not releasing high rank SS officers to rape everything on the babby cup

you juden?

>>2285326
>take car to mechanic
>"hurrr durr a mix of petrol and oxygen explodes for no reason to create random distributing bits of energy out of nowhere that somehow powers the drivetrain and makes the wheels turn
>yeah right buddy, I know god's love makes it move
>just gonna pray til it works again

>>2285363

>God works in mysterious ways

After about the 30th time hearing this as a child, I knew they were bullshitting me. Every time I asked something that obviously contradicted the Catholic church or religion as a whole THAT was there answer.

And it makes no fucking sense.

>>2284853
Lol no, lrn 2 planetary physics

>durr do as we say and think as we do or else you wont go to happyland when you die. If you don't do it, you go to sadland where you will be tortured throughout eternity eternity even though such a place defies the laws of physics.

>inb4 but them laws were made by sientissts

>>2285374

*Their

Want to correct that before the OP goes crazy over how I made a mistake.

>>2285363

>The Catholic church has certainly acknowledged that god works in mysterious ways

I'm sure it was real hard to get them to admit that.

>>2285369
Its different when entire laws of physics just pop into existence

because that can happen right?

>>2285379

...What did I say that was incorrect? If you truly were a Physics student, you would be backing me up here. But you're just a fucktard psychopath who believes everything pedophiles ram down your expectant throat.

>>2285389
I'm sure you're well-informed enough to know that given that you don't even know about the universe being flat

Remember when the church executed people for stating that the earth isn't the center of the universe and also not flat?

>>2285323

oh, but Atheism is quite an agenda.

>>2285389

Of course, and an infinitely complex being simply popping out of nowhere is obviously more likely than something simple. Then again neither of us know what happened, the only difference between us is I don't claim to know.

>>2285389

>I CANT HANDLE THE LAWS OF THE UNIVERSE SO I MAKE UP MY OWN BULLSHIT SO MY WIDDLE HEAD DON'T HURT NO MORE.

>Earth is flat
>Earth is 6000 years old
>Earth is the center of the universe

So who or what created the Creator?

>>2285411
> when the church

Churches cant execute people

Only people can

Also if they are executing people, then they are far from being christians

>>2285374

Haha oh wow you really are that predictable. Just had to put that there to see who takes the bait and starts spouting irrelevant BS.

I can't see why atheists get so worked up about religion, I'm agnostic and don't give a shit. But then again I don't live in a country where politics is based on religion.

>>2285433
>does not know the difference between the literal meaning of "church" as a physical structure wherein people worship and "the Church"

>>2285418

How is not believing in a supreme being an agenda? I'll enjoy watching you fail to answer that question.

>>2285326
It's not no reason, it's we don't know yet. Requires further research. We've got everything else pretty damn well pat, but we don't know the exact circumstances that brought everything into existence, just that it happened and what happened afterwards. It's getting looked into. This also answers
>>2285389

>>2285442
I know, "the church" cant execute people

only individuals can

are you even trying anymore?

Atheists, what about the problem of induction?

>>2285433

You accidentally the bible

"I will also send wild beasts among you, which shall rob you of your children." (Leviticus 26:22)

"Now kill all the boys. And kill every woman who has slept with a man, but save for yourself every girl who has never slept with a man." (Numbers 31:17-18)

"The Lord commands: "... slay old men outright, young men and maidens, little children and women" (Ezechial 9:4-6)

"When the Lord delivers it into your hand, put to the sword all the males .... As for the women, the children, the livestock and everything else in the city, you may take these as plunder for yourselves." (Deuteronomy 20:13-14)

"You will eat the fruit of the womb, the flesh of the sons and daughters the Lord your God has given you." (Deuteronomy 28:53)

"The Lord said to Joshua [...] 'you are to hamstring their horses.' " (Exceedingly cruel.) (Joshua 11:6)

"... Go and smite the inhabitants of Jabesh-gilead with the edge of the sword and; also the women and little ones.... every male and every woman that has lain with a male you shall utterly destroy." (Judges 21:10-12)

"This is what the Lord says: Now go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have; do not spare them, but kill both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and ass .... And Saul ... utterly destroyed all the people with the edge of the sword." (1 Samuel 15:3,7-8)

"The people of Samaria must bear their guilt, because they have rebelled against their God. They will fall by the sword; their little ones will be dashed to the ground, their women with child ripped open." (Hosea 13:16)

"A curse on him who is lax in doing the LORD's work!
A curse on him who keeps his sword from bloodshed!" (Jeremiah 48:10)

>>2285395
We've found a few hundred planets, most of which are massive gas giants, the few rocky planets are too far out or too close to their sun for life, as we expect it to exist, to exist. We have seen billions of billions of stars, surely we should have found a least thousands of planets?

Simply because there may be lots of planets doesnt mean the chances for life existing there will rise in any huge way, its too small a set of data to make any conclusions like that. Especially when we dont know exactly what the conditions for life are, exactly, for an planet, ever, at all.

Just learn to accept that no one, at the moment, can say whether it is or it is not probable that life exists outside the Earth.

>>2285455

>You post on 4chan, the most vile, offensive, hate-mongering, disgusting, blasphemous site on the web
>You call yourself a Christian

/thread. OP is either a hypocrite sinner or a troll. Either way, he's rustling plenty of jimmies.

>>2285441
>unicorns? ridiculous
>ufo conspiracies? of course not
>magic? that's stupid
>zeus and thor? no one believes that
>yahweh? well... hang on a minute, maybe...

>>2285485

What?

Enjoy your Jewish fiction, you fucking morons.

>>2285491

>confusing theism with christianity

the 3rd time

step it up atheists

>>2285497
>Old testament

>>2285508
>allah? well... hang on a minute, maybe...

ITT: people playing chess with pidgeons

>>2285508
but that post was aimed at the "agnostic"

>>2285466

Except our current exoplanet technology is quite primitive (for lack of a better word). Kepler detects exoplanets by keeping track of a star's light, but that really isn't a suitable method. Despite this, hundreds of planets have ALREADY been detected, many of which are either in the goldilocks zone or are terrestrial. Keep in mind that we've only scanned a small portion of our own galaxy, one that has ~200 billion stars. There are many, many, many, many more out there.

I would risk all of my money and possessions that life exists outside of Earth just for 1 more dollar.

>>2285530

>confusing theism with abrahamic religions

nigger you can believe in a creator not in a religion

>>2285466
There's already life from Earth that could easily exist outside it ^__^

>>2285550

Boy, you sure showed him.

>>2285487

OP REPLY TO THIS YOU CUNT

>>2284894
>>2284870

The universe is THAT big that even if there was a 0,00000000000000001% chance of life there would still be plenty of other species around.

>>2285430
>>2285430
>>2285430
>>2285430
>>2285430

One of you answer this.

>>2285550

how so?

>>2285336
>>2285351

my basic theory of a science proven "greater entity":

I see no reason why God didn't do the whole "WAAPOW BIG BANG MUTHA CHECK IT!", if the Big Bang theory is the generally accepted theory then God - who must know that we would've come up with such a theory - mayhaps God, being omniscient and all-knowing, knew that we would come up with theories of existence.

Which just as easily means that God could've "doctored" our evolution. So when he condemns Adam and Eve in the Bible for eating the fruit of knowledge "from dust you came and to dust you shall return" I ended up taking that as Gods laymen term for "from microscopic organisms you came, and now when you die you will return to them"

Also, when I was studying the Old Testament, it claims that is timeless, specified in "to Him 1 day is 1000 years and 1000 years a day", now the Jews stupidly took that to mean "Hurr durr the Earth is 6 thousand years old, because he made it in 6 days". However, scientific evidence proves that the Earth is far older.

I dislike the "if God is all-loving and caring, why Mother Nature such a bitch?" If I recall in 1 John 5:19 “the whole world is under the control of
the evil one” and Matthew 4:8, where Jesus did not dispute Satan’s claim to the kingdoms of the earth, and various other references to Satan roaming the world after he was cast out of Heaven, from a religious/Catholic/Christian perspective it says something to me about natural disasters.

Now I forgot my train of thought

There is proof that bacteria used to exist on mars.

also, what do you call the fossils of extinct species? Gods failed genetic experiments?

Cry harder, creationists.

>>2285581
who are you quoting?

>>2285430

No one, because he was there before we existed or even the dimension we call "time" existed, therefore no one created him.

If their is such an entity as god it would be pantheistic type being. If you can't tell the difference between a this god and a monarchistic god fuck you. Also aliens don't exist until we find solid evidence.

>>2285608
>everything cannot come from nothing
>except god lol

>>2285591
>If I recall in 1 John 5:19 “the whole world is under the control of
>the evil one” and Matthew 4:8, where Jesus did not dispute Satan’s claim to the kingdoms of the earth, and various other references to Satan roaming the world after he was cast out of Heaven, from a religious/Catholic/Christian perspective it says something to me about natural disasters.

Holy shit

Check mate atheists

>>2285600

Species that used to exist, and then went extint. Does that mean that god doesn't exist? Atheist are retarded, inb4 confusing theism with christianism for the 4th time

>>2285622
God confirmed for alien overlord.

>>2285601

>see pic

>>2285624
Ra, Odin whatever

>>2285600

Biochemfag here.

There's no proof that bacteria existed on Mars. There are hints that such things might have existed at one point, but no definitive evidence

We know that bacteria and archaea for that matter are capable of living in extreme environments, but we can't be sure that Mars retained water and organic molecules for long enough for such life to develop.

>>2012
>>still be a close minded christian fag who only believes in their god but not the multitude of other gods

ishygddt

>>2285639
>We also dont know if its even possible for life to develop on its own

You forgot that part

>>2285632

Why can't you understand that for being a theist you don't have to believe in man made religion? how is that hard to understand, i believe in a creator who i call god, and i believe in science and evolution, there is no oxymoron involved in that for fucks sake.

>>2285646
>chemicals can't catalyze their own reproduction without magic

>>2285657

>>2285591
Me again.

Also, as far as other planets go:

Probably life out there. If God were a scientist, why would he have one experiment? The ego-centrist idea that we are the only ones out there is completely stupid. If millions of life-forms can exist on this one infinitely tiny spec in the universe, then those that claim it can happen nowhere else is a complete manifestation of ignorance.

captcha didednJ Lord

OP confirmed for troll.

I must go now, my planet needs me.

>>2285648

Atheists Status: The Told States of America

I believe in a mystical 2deep4u creative force that created the universe by doing nothing and does not interact with the universe in any way whatsoever

so you believe in... fucking nothing

so you're only a "theist" because you're scared of being labelled 14yearold-dawkinsfan-themazingatheist-hateyourparents-madatgod on the internet?

>>2285648

>Believe in science
>Fell retard

>Dislike Atheists because you secretly fear they're right, hate scientists by affiliation
>Hear about the Drake Equation, think aliens are silly because you've seen them in movies and stuff
>Don't know any math or science, assume it's based on faith and that the belief wouldn't change if our understanding did
>Feel really smug, make a thread connecting the two assuming it's some breakthrough when in reality there's no connection. Declare victory ahead of time because you're just that much of a tool.
>Get crushed in every argument
>Leave point after point unaddressed while pursuing the weakest opponent at any given time, moving on to the next as progressively weaker opponents crush you
>Post smiling Asian women to cover the tears you shed in real life

Jesus would have hated you.

>>2285715
I'm sorry but you didn't prove shit with that statement.

>I believe in the evolutionary process that proves that life can exist without a creating force behind it.
>but still believe in a creator because fuck you, that's why.

>>2285648

You're technically a deist, unless you believe that God interferes with the universe.

>>2285727
see
>>2285675
>>2285591

>>2285747

HURRRR DRRR

I believe that God is who "powered" the life to exist.

>>2285764
but nucleic acids can be powered just fine without god, it's just fucking chemistry

>>2285768
>Christians
>brag about being wrong the whole time

>>2285768
even if you took out all the absurd impossible things, I still wouldn't use any book of bronze age stories as the basis of my beliefs about the entire universe in 2012

>>2285754

Maybe he could interfer, what if it was he who mutates living beings randomly, and that is why evolution exist.

>>2285775

but he created nucleic acids and everything that is my point, science explains why things happen, but cannot explain the main source of why it is like that

>>2285768

Personally I've read the whole book back to front.

It's the disjointed thinking of several groups of people who lived thousands of years before my birth, it bears no relation to how we live as human beings in modern times, it's basically irrelevant to me.

Not to say that some of the take-home messages aren't good. "Love thy neighbour" etc. It's still wrapped up in the genocidal ranting of the old testament and the overt paranoia of the latter books of the new testament.

>>2285797
>did you even watch http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ImvlS8PLIo