We ARE atheists you dumbfucking cunting bellend.

>>226856

Really?

I've been seeing a lot of anti-atheism in this shithole lately.

>>226882
it's mostly trolling

discussing atheism hasn't been interesting since about 2003, no one really believes in god but what do you expect when some 14 year old who just watched an AmazingAtheist video comes in here?

>>226856

I am not religious in any way

Nor am I atheist and would vehemently object if someone called me so.

Now deal with it, bitch.

>>226910

>>226905

I expect him to be enlightened in all possible applications of a banana

If I had that graph showing how much of 4chan is uneducated religious republicans, I'd post it. It shows pretty well why 4chan is a teeming sea of intellectually inept retards.

Yeah the "intellectual elites" are less likely to believe in God, this has been true for a while. I'll go a step further and say most "elites" are less likely to believe in God. That doesn't mean that every atheist is an "intellectual elite", as much as they'd like to think of themselves that way. Also a lot of "intellectual elites"can be fucking stupid thuggish blowhards, including our white supremacist friend Professor Lynn.

That being said, atheists do have high levels of mental illness, social maladaption, defective personality, and yes, autism as well.

Leftists do the same thing OP

>>226824
OH YEAH WELL HOW DID THE MOON GET THERE HUH

CHECKMATE ATHEISTS

The problem is that race is genetically predetermined while religion, religiosity or the chances of being religious are not. Also, In Australia, 23% of Christian church attenders have earned a university or postgraduate degree, whereas the figure for the general population is 13%.

>>226928

The word atheist, thanks to a decade of butthurt and idiotic edginess is now thoroughly discredited.

I also recognize the positive aspects of religion which gets never mentioned when atheists mass debate.

I could type more but I think the above is enough to make you mad enough to be impervious to any kind of reasoning.

Also obligatory

inb4 LOGICASL FELLACY LOLOL STRAWMAN AD HUMENIMS

>>226967
EVERY religious person has a mental illness. This isn't something to be debated either. By the book, they are mentally ill. Anyone that doesn't have an imaginary friend can easily see this.

>>226967
>and yes, autism as well

>implying autism isn't the master race

>atheism precluding possibility of god due to science
>real science doesn't preclude possibilities

Bible-Thumping Fanatic: Shit Tier Dumb
Textbook-Thumping Atheist: Mid Tier Passable
Anybook-Reading Agnostic: God Tier Genius

probably because internet atheists are cuntholes

>>226993
>positive aspects of religion
Name one a non-religious person couldn't do. There were positive aspects of the holocaust too, such as medical exploration, but are FAR outweighed by the negative aspects just like religion.

>>226967

>That doesn't mean that every atheist is an "intellectual elite"
Oh definitely, some of them are just Reddit retards

>white supremacist friend Professor Lynn.
You just went full retard.

>atheists do have high levels of mental illness, social maladaption, defective personality, and yes, autism as well.

That assumes that it has anything to do with their atheism. It's equivalent to linking gays with pedophilia.

>>226993
Stop spreading your diarrheah all over my screen. What you just said is equivalent to saying "humans are fucking stupid so I'm not a human and don't you dare call me a human". Atheism is defined as a lack of religion. As someone who is not religious, you are defined as being an atheist. It doesn't matter what other atheists do, you are one.

>>226995

>EVERY religious person has a mental illness. This isn't something to be debated either. By the book, they are mentally ill. Anyone that doesn't have an imaginary friend can easily see this.

So 2.5% of the world population can "easily see" that the other 97.5% have a mental illness.

lolllllllllllllllllllllll.

If something is normal it is not an "illness". Also, given atheism is actually linked to all sorts of harmful mental states, if anything it would be the other way around, though I'd hate to go that far.

>>226986

Yes, more education doesn't raise theism but it generally results in religious folk being a bit more devout--higher church attendance, a greater importance of religion in ones life, etc.

acting intellectually superior is pretty vain

>>226995
>EVERY religious person has a mental illness.

They are called "delusions", especially if you think God talks to -you-.

>>226986
Of course, that's probably just because of the abbos. Fukken' abbos.

>>227002
"Agnostic" isn't something that is inbetween atheism and theism, you stupid nigger. See chart.

>>227032

>Name one a non-religious person couldn't do. There were positive aspects of the holocaust too, such as medical exploration, but are FAR outweighed by the negative aspects just like religion.

What negative aspects of religion? Besides for "rawr I'm an atheist I hate religion".

Also while a non-religious person COULD do these things, the fact is they don't. End of story.
>>227034
>You just went full retard.
He's a literal white supremacist. He thinks whites are smarter than other races, and he's on the board of Mankind Quarterly, a white supremacist journal: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mankind_Quarterly . Just because someone is an "intellectual elite" does not make their opinions worth shit.
>That assumes that it has anything to do with their atheism. It's equivalent to linking gays with pedophilia.
No it doesn't assume it, though if there's a link we should be looking at why. Gay people don't choose to be gay, so don't compare yourself to them.

>>227067
By that logic, EVERY test that researches the relationship between IQ and religiosity should be seperated by race for greater accuracy, and the current test results are null and void.

OP here. You people are fucking retarded.

I post one article, backed with some scientific evidence, and you fags mud-sling like a bunch of children. And this happens in almost every thread.

I'm not coming back to this board anymore.

All the more evidence that atheists are simply more intelligent than lesser humans. We truly are the next step in human evolution.

Sadly, there is a long way to go, and much like children, theists are notoriously stubborn in their resistance to obvious scientific realities of the universe. And any time a child is lectured by an adult, for their own good, they think the adult is an asshole, is an enemy. Because of this insecurity, they perceive the atheists as somehow being "smug", when actually, they are just using their superior intelligence and analytical skills, and not falling back on old fairytales for morality. They'll keep peddling their hateful bile against us in a vain desperate attempt to protect their own insecurities, but it won't last forever. Not if we have anything to say about it. They know their days are numbered.

Whatever the cause, their existential enlightenment is inevitable once the atheistic truth becomes too blatant to avoid, and we will be there to stand over them and politely say, "We told you so". An international economic or environmental crisis is probably what it would have to take for people to finally cut of all ties to the wilful self-deceptions that are supernatural beliefs, but perhaps it would be for the greater good in the end.

After all, what can be a greater good than the truth? Perhaps when they realize that we're doing this for their own good, and we're not their "enemies" for teaching them to abandon the irrational mental poison that is "faith", they'll finally understand. They just need to look at themselves critically, for once in their lives.

And I believe that day will come sooner than we all think. Because we already won, they just don't realize it yet.

>>227032

>Name one a non-religious person couldn't do

that's not the point. Religions are based on some worthy tenets.

How the fuck is "love thy neighbour" wrong?

Imagine some sociopathic douchebag who doesn't act his violent fantasies out because he's scared of sky daddy.

Now imagine the same guy reading the selfish gene without a proper educational background. It's risky at best.

Jews have the most violent offshoot of monotheistic religions, followed by islam which is probably even worse an iteration. But Paul did a lot of good stuff for christianity with his teachings.

Yeah it got corrupted by self-righteous power hungry assholes but so does anything else. Human nature.

>>227102
You won't be missed.

>>227051
Actually, the people in YOUR religion can see that you are batfuck insane too.

>>227096
Nice job trying to shift the burden of proof. Answer the question, faggot.

>>227075

Theism is generally used to refer to gnostic theists, atheism used to refer to gnostic atheists, and agnosticism is used to refer to agnostics.

Why are atheists so fucking autistic they don't understand that? Even theists understand that.

Let's see what Carl Sagan has to say.
>Sagan denied that he was an atheist, saying "An atheist has to know a lot more than I know. An atheist is someone who knows there is no god. By some definitions atheism is very stupid." In reply to a question in 1996 about his religious beliefs, Sagan answered, "I'm agnostic."

>>227075
Your chart doesn't actually disagree with me.
There's no reference to agnosticism being a middle ground in my post.
You read it wrong.
You are the stupid nigger.

>>227125
Sagan was an agnostic atheist. He was talking about gnostic atheists. If he thought referring to yourself as an atheist is wrong, then he's just a stupid nigger too.

>>227125
Then why call them "atheists" if they don't disbelieve in your retarded cult? That's like calling Christians atheists because they don't worship Thor.

>>227002

Theist: Santa Claus exists
Agnostic: I don't know if Santa Claus exists
Atheist: There is no logical reason to believe in existence of Santa Claus

>>227121

>Nice job trying to shift the burden of proof. Answer the question, faggot.

I did--atheists, as a group, COULD but they DON'T found universities, schools, charities (rare), support groups, art, architecture, music, hospitals, monasteries, etc. 9/10 when atheists gather, they just bitch about religion. The end result? Atheists are a bunch of poorly cultured, mentally ill, socially/personally maladjusted, and above all UNHAPPY people--so unhappy they make others around them less happy by their mere presence.

>>227120

>Actually, the people in YOUR religion can see that you are batfuck insane too.

What is my religion? This guy just said that all theists are insane, so...yeah I think you are retarded.

The theistic majority will become the nonentity once humanity sees the obvious truth of reality, that us precious few have already realized long ago - that their beliefs are flatly wrong and founded in delusional nonexistent fantasies. Their childish fear and insecurities can only hold out so long, and atheistic virtues of rationality and truth will triumph over them in the end. We must all be strong together now against their relentless attacks so we can all live to see that future.

http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/gnxp/2011/09/atheism-as-mental-deviance/

>>227170
...says the guy that fucks bats.

>>227096
Hitler was religious...

also

while victims of the all powerful, corrupt catholic church would probably go up to a couple million throughout its entire existence (as an archaelogy major I saw a paper that summarized inquisition court proceedings in the 14th through 17th centuries and came up with a figure of about 30 thousand burned witches and heretics) the fact remains that atheistic regimes in the 20th century have far, far outperformed the church in terms of mass killing, atrocity and genocide.

And yes these people were killed in the name of atheism because it was done in the name of Reason, Logic, Progress and Civilization.

I still don't believe in god (or gods) but if you don't recognize that simple fact and draw obvious conclusions from that I'm sorry for you.

>inb4 CITASHUN NEEDYD go read a book it's all there

>>227112
>How the fuck is "love thy neighbour" wrong?
Religion, as a whole, shows quite the opposite unless you are exactly like them. Nice try though.

>Imagine some sociopathic douchebag who doesn't act his violent fantasies out because he's scared of sky daddy.
I don't have to. Many many religious people have shown they are like this by posing the morality question and saying the feared god.

>Now imagine the same guy reading the selfish gene without a proper educational background. It's risky at best.
So is taking Advil. There's risk involved in everything. The simple fact is that religion guards the sociopaths and brings them into the fold. There's something very telling about a group when someone that mentally fucked up blends in so well that no one notices.

>Yeah it got corrupted by self-righteous power hungry assholes but so does anything else. Human nature.
It STARTED that way. Do you even know the history of your own religion?

>>226824
Don't forget the studies that show left-wing/ liberal people are smarter than conservatives.

But obviously THOSE studies are just biased and unreliable. The ones about blacks being less intelligent are totally true though.

>>227096

>He thinks whites are smarter than other races

Because they are?


>Just because someone is an "intellectual elite" does not make their opinions worth shit.

And just because someone has been tagged OH NO RACIST, that doesn't automatically discredit whatever they say.

I believe whites are probably statistically smarter than blacks. I am white.

I believe atheists are probably statistically smarter than theists. I am an atheist.

What now?

>>227194

It's not my fucking religion

Nice assumption and shitty reading comprehension skills though.

Neurotypical is what autistic people call people that are not autistic.

Fake word is fake and autistic. Like religion.

>>227195
Don't forget the studies showing libertarians to be smarter than liberals AND conservatives.

thread sucks, op is a fag
go back to reddit thx

>>227216

Sure it fucking isn't. You anti-atheist christians are all the same, blinded by idiocy.

>>227229
sauce pl0x

>>227216
Nice job at ignoring the argument. The false assumption is pretty much irrelevant. Refute my argument or STFU.

>>227247
seconded

this does nothing but offend the gods and ultra-conservatives.

everyone else doesn't care. in fact, libertarian atheists have higher average IQs than both liberals and conservatives.

so eh, whatever. it doesn't mean anything.

>>227189

Hitler might have been theist, but he was far from religious as, in, devoutly so.

>>227194

>Religion, as a whole, shows quite the opposite unless you are exactly like them. Nice try though.

This is wrong, people who are more religious are more agreeable/friendly than their less religious counterparts.

>>227201

It does discredit them as worthwhile people though.

>>227263
>offend the gods

offend the theists*

lol

>>227264
>This is wrong, people who are more religious are more agreeable/friendly than their less religious counterparts.

do you have studies comparing atheists to "religious" christians? perhaps a link between crime and religion?

Atheism is simply the act of abstaining from having a superstitious belief system. It's nothing crazy or outlandish, it's quite logical in fact. There is no reason to believe in a God, no evidence of one or multiple ones, existing. Occam's razor teaches us that the most likely answer is the simplest. Also, on the topic of insecurity. Religion is often used as a way for people to cope with their own mortality. If religion is challenged, so is said person's claim to afterlife, reincarnation, or whatever other voodoo they may believe in. This is frightening to most people, and so they have an emotional, primitive, hostile response.

Atheists are smarter and better educated than such superstitious types. As a result, the religious feel inferior, as they are quite capable of perceiving that gulf of intellect between them and the atheist. It makes them insecure when faced with people being logical and using their intelligence. But rather than simply accept that they are having an emotional reaction to losing an argument, they find the need to make ad hominem type attacks and character assassination. It's quite sad, really. But alas, such is humanity, is it not?

>>227264
>as, in, devoutly so.

Same can be said for ANYONE that calls themselves "Christian'.

>>227264
>This is wrong, people who are more religious are more agreeable/friendly than their less religious counterparts.
[citation majorly fucking needed]

Have you been paying attention to America or the Middle East at all, or in history class? Like I said, it's quite the opposite unless you are exactly like they are.

>>227248

christianity began as a small peaceful cult whose leader (if we consider jesus a historical figure, and there was almost certainly some kind of a poorfag religious leader nailed to a plank about that period) got fucked over by the rich and powerful of their day (the jews in case you're wondering).

Christianity was the OWS of it's day.

I'm not going into arguments how it wasn't original etc, because I've been taught that at school at the age of about ten and it's nothing new and who gives a fuck. We're discussing the social aspect.

Well there is my answer to your bullshit argument.

>>227264
>Hitler might have been theist, but he was far from religious

Have you read Mein Kampf?

>>227290

Have you paid attention to Soviet Russia and China in the past?

Faith is inherently harmful. It teaches that this world is not the one that matters. It makes martyrdom the one's highest possible goal, and teaches that vast swathes of the world are all evil people because they worship the wrong imaginary friend or do so in the wrong way. Look at all the stupid sectarian divisions within the world's major religions and all the blood that's been spilled over them: transubstantiation vs. consubstantiation, the supremacy of Rome or the Archbishop of Canterbury, twelver Shia vs. Fiver Shia, Sunni vs. Shiite, Sunni and Shiite vs. Druze, etc.

Faith is the root of all evil, and atheism is the cure.

>>227280

>do you have studies comparing atheists to "religious" christians? perhaps a link between crime and religion?

Not Christians but the religious in general, of course:

>An impression based on a vote-counting method of reviewing studies on religion and personality is that religiosity is associated only with low Psychoticism (or high Agreeableness and Conscientiousness), while unrelated to the other Eysenck's or Big Five factors. This meta-analytic review of studies on religion and the Five Factor Model revealed that, in addition to Agreeableness and Conscientiousness, religiosity (today?) is related to Extraversion.
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0191886900002336

So in terms of the effects religion has on PERSONALITY you are more agreeable, conscientious (aka less psychotic), and more extroverted.

Here are definitions per wiki:
>Conscientiousness is a tendency to show self-discipline, act dutifully, and aim for achievement against measures or outside expectations.
>Extraversion is characterized by positive emotions, surgency, and the tendency to seek out stimulation and the company of others.
>Agreeableness is a tendency to be compassionate and cooperative rather than suspicious and antagonistic towards others.

>>227195

Those studies don't separate by race. Whatever iq bonus liberals have over conservatives are small. The only real difference is race.

>>227325
>Not Christians but the religious in general, of course:

i'd rather there be comparison between atheists and theists, not just religious vs not religious.

>>227325

Sounds like biased bullshit

I know plenty of good atheists, meanwhile all the theists I know are douchebags

Tell em why I should give a shit about this flawed unscientific study

>>227296

Have you looked at the actual policies of the Nazis as opposed to Hitler's personal propaganda book? Or are you retarded in general?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_aspects_of_Nazism

Eventual goal of Nazism was to destroy Christianity within Germany altogether.

It just completely boggles my mind that supposedly intelligent, educated people can go their entire lives genuinely believing in a magical sky fairy of some sort. It is fucking goddamn scary that people who believe that they're doing what god wants have the ability to start wars, hold an elected office, or are even allowed to vote.

I look forward to the day when people who believe in a god and supernatural beings are given the help they need, and the condition is treated just like schizophrenia or any other serious, dangerous dehabilitating mental disorder. I probably won't live to see it, sure, but it's coming. You can bet on it.

>11 Jun 2008

I'm not rearguing a 3 1/2 year old debate, especially when the Good Prof's argument was torn into shreds within 24 hours of its original utterance.

Deist here, this thread both amuses and sickens me.

>>227338

lol "fuck this study, my anecdotes show otherwise!"

>>227327

I love how everyone calls research they don't like biased.

>>I know plenty of good atheists, meanwhile all the theists I know are douchebags

Bullshit. You're probably just a drama queen.

>>227337
and actually, might i add that if atheists are more introverted, the cause is clear.

introversion either leads to the discovery of atheism. or atheism makes you distant and introverted.

Hitler was a fucking politician, idiots. "Derp he was a christian" "derp he wasn't" is meaningless, he'd do anything for votes. Stop trying to treat him like some pawn in your game.

Yep, that's what the Jews said.

Christians are still cattle for Jews.

>>227347
>that they're doing what god wants have the ability to start wars

nobody actually believes that. they say shit like that to cater to the retarded conservatives.

>>227351

Citations needed.

>>227327
Thanks for proving my point. Also, if blacks are more likely to be liberal you'd think that would drag down the average for liberals and give Conservatives the advantage? I guess not!

Very liberal IQ = 106
Very conservative IQ = 95

Yeah, minuscule differences. Now you'll probably pull out some spiel about how IQ tests are unreliable and there are other factors at play, such as quality of education which I agree with, but there's no way you'd apply the same standard of reasoning to a study that suggested that blacks were less intelligent than whites. You would jump all over that one.

http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/gnxp/2010/02/liberals-atheists-are-smarter-than-conservatives-very
-religious-but-why/

>>227360

>religion is uplifting, encourages to reach out to people around you and to put effort in things you do

>atheism makes you introverted, apathetic because it doesn't matter in the end and generally cold towards other people

>atheism is superior and religious people are douchebags

Ha

Who fights in pointless wars, believing whatever their politicians tell them? Theists.
Who perpetuates intolerant, discriminatory views in society, just because 'everyone else is doing it'? Theists.
Who gives in to mob mentality and constantly defends shitty unfounded beliefs and laws because they're closeminded morons? Theists.
Who believes everything the media tells them, about waging wars on foreigners and ourselves? Theists.

Checkmate. Your move.

>mfw i am a white atheist

>>227360
>implying that sitting alone drinking beer in a trailer 7 days out of the week isn't introverted because you have religion.

>>227381
>Also, if blacks are more likely to be liberal

what? blacks are ultra-conservative while supporting social services because their whole fucking family is probably on welfare.

but they're pretty religious and all that idiotic conservative shit.

>>227291
Really? You actually believe that? Christianity was most certainly not the OWS movement of its day. To equate the bullshit with OWS is dishonest to say the least. Christianity started as some crazy dipshits claiming they were the followers of the son of god who could perform miracles. Since almost everyone in those days were gullible as fuck, they believed this bullshit. As their numbers grew, so did their influence. Once they grew to the level that Constantine turned Christian, it's persecution like a motherfucker and continues to this day. Did you know that homosexuality was openly accepted in Roman society under the Pagans? Same with having sex with multiple partners. They also weren't prudish fuckers damning everyone who didn't treat sex shamefully. Christianity is the religion of death. Every action is constantly about getting into heaven after you die. They live to die. We live to live.

Christians are useless. If you believe in the ark as fact, you serve no purpose and should lay down in the street. We have people involved in government who actually believe this. It is not an opinion... it is a fact that these people with any political power should be rounded up and kicked out. You shouldn't be deciding shit for the whole if you believe in fairy tales, we shouldn't be trusting your judgement, nor should we trust you deciding how the world works based on your retarded and unproven beliefs. You idiots are the reason why we're in Iraq. Cause God told you, America should have been shitting their pants when Bush said he went to Iraq because God told him to. Instead, people hardly cared and it was fucking disgusting. All theists fucking disgust me, down to the very core.

>>227290

See
>>227344

Also Middle Easterners are infamously hospitable. Unless you watch Fox News 24/7 I have no idea how you can say that they aren't pretty much friendly people.

Same thing with people from the fucking Deep South as well. Southern hospitality?

>>227384
this is simply a description of what is, and not of what obviously could be.

we know what the cause of introversion is. it's just a matter of time until atheism is widely accepted. no longer will many atheists be scared/ashamed/etc.

Theists are a cancer upon humanity.

>mfw when I'm agnostic and I have to continually hear atheists crying about Christianity more than Christians cry about atheists.

>>227389
nah. don't even argue that point. atheists are still disliked and despised in society and this leads to further seclusion.

>>227405

This. Atheism will take over the world and humantiy will finally be freed is idiocy, of superstition.

>>227411
so? it's because atheists are pissed off at christians and christians know they have nothing to worry about.

We atheists deal in facts, and facts only.
We are the objective arbitors of reality.
We are the seekers of truth.
We are the users of logic, of reason, of science.
We do not dabble in fantasy, in irrationality, in emotionally driven narratives such as religion or fairy tales.

Atheists are today's great educators of Fact, the loyal policemen of Logic, the New Intellectuals for a modern age, and you shall be enlightened.

>>227385

>Who fights in pointless wars, believing whatever their politicians tell them? Theists.

And atheists. Hell, I'd go so far as to say that atheist states within the last 100 years have been far more warmongering and centered on their politicians, and some of the most famous "new atheist" spokespeople are disgusting in their calls for human blood (Hitchens and Harris). But lets be honest, if Dawkins took his stupid beliefs to their conclusion point, he would be out far war as well.

>Who perpetuates intolerant, discriminatory views in society, just because 'everyone else is doing it'? Theists.

Many atheists are fucking xenophobic, racist, sexist fuckheads. So I have no idea what you are on about, to be honest. Hell, you don't see atheist-tier racism or sexism on a religious site, ever.

>Who gives in to mob mentality and constantly defends shitty unfounded beliefs and laws because they're closeminded morons? Theists.

Everyone.

>>227411
You think evangelic christians make a distinction between a hard or weak atheist?

>>227401
1. The vast majority of Hitler's followers were Christians.
2. Why the fuck can't you people can't something simple through your heads? If there is ANY indication that you aren't exactly like they are, you met with contempt and ridicule.
Simple example: Let it be known that you're gay or an atheist and see how fast that hospitality turns into disdain.
3. I live in the South. I know what I'm talking about. I've tried the aforementioned suggestions myself with predictable results. I also know history.

>>227443

this is what "new atheists" really believe. They are just as faith-based as any religion but like, 200x as retarded.

>>227381

That's retarded. Did you even understand my post. Whether liberal or conservative, blacks and Hispanics have lower iqs than whites. If you lump them with conservatives, which most of these studies do, it'll obviously lower the conservative's average.

Pic related. If you ever stop getting stoned for long enough, remember to vote for the more educated party.

>>227443
>this is your daily reminder that materialism has destroyed western culture

Funny how Christians have to keep POSTING POSTING POSTING POSTING.

DO YOU THINK ATHEISTS START RELIGION THREADS?

DO YOU?!

>>227443

You guys are retarded children using religion as an ego boost. The ows probably has a disproportional number of atheist. It's an example of how retarded you guys are.

>>227476
yes, because atheists are reasonably angry with theists.

Aethists falsely believe they have life figured out and their is NO GOD, but they can't actually prove that. So instead of being reasonable and doubting god, they just proclaim there is no god as if they have somehow indisputable proven it. It's pretty luzly how naive they really are.

>>227476
You're on 4chan so I believe (or rather, I hope) you can awnser that question yourself. If not, try to go to Richard Dawkins website.

>>227476

Yes, the op is clearly a christian.

>>227443

atheist here, this sort of aspie mentality is why everyone hates you

I'm so fucking tired of you idiots constantly flooding every website with this kind of obnoxious self righteous teenage bullshit

add I swear to god if I hear "fairy tale" or "sky fairy" one more fucking time

>>227476

Of course

I'd wager my dick on a 95% figure in this

>>227476

Uh, yes. Check OP.

Every religion thread almost always starts with an atheist bashing religion.

>>227466
This coming from the board that constantly talks about how all degrees are worthless....

Except when Republicans have them more, in which case they're the best indicator of how intelligent someone is!

>>227506
oh shut the fuck up. you're not fooling anyone. you don't really care what they do. you're just trying to seem mature by "shitting" on "teen edgy" atheists.

>>227463
HAHAHAHAHA
The future belongs to us. We are GEN Y. The ways of old are dying. There are more atheists among the GEN Y age group than there have been in any age group ever before. We are the generation of reason. We reject your fairy tales and superstition. No amount of fighting will change the inevitable. Deal with it.

I pointed this shit out a while ago to my family when I told them I was atheist.

Last fucking year I told them I didn't want anything for Christmas because it was a bullshit mental fantasy. But my fucking grandmother who's like 70 and is a typical Christian trying to convert me. She got me a gift card from best buy so I could get some games EVEN THOUGH I told everyone I didn't want anything. She tried to give it to me in a card with a bible verse it. A fucking bible verse.

I was so pissed, I told her in front of every one that if she wanted to believe in Jewish zombies and her cannibal cult she could but not to try to brainwash me. And I threw the card on the table. She started crying and my dad got pissed and grabbed me by the arm and told me to get my ass to my room and not come out until everyone else had left.

I take every possible opportunity to rationally break people from their religious shield of hypocrisy. If they get hostile I just ask why they so mad. Whenever me and my parents get into a discussion about religion I just blow their minds with truth and usually the conversation sidetracks somewhere so they can fell less crappy about having their shitty belief system turned upside-down.

Well they learned their lesson last year and they didn't get me anything. They didn't even ask me to come with them to my uncles this year so I got the house all to myself. Weed and my xbox is all I need. Feels good to be atheist and have a clear head.

>>227454

1. Sure, because most of Germany was Christian at the time--the bulk of Nazi elite were not Christian and were even pretty solidly anti-Christian. The vast majority of Kim Jong Il's followers are atheist.

2. Not so. I lived in the Middle East (Lebanon and Syria) and I am a pretty different than they are--they are a very hospitable people. Even if it was true that an atheist would be treated with disdain (debateable), its better than treating everyone with disdain. Most "new atheists" would be pretty fast to treat a devout Muslim with extreme prejudice as well, soo...

3. lol you are a social misfit trying to blame your own life failures on those darn theists.

>>227525
>We are the generation of reason.

http://dailycaller.com/2011/11/05/chaos-video/

>>227454
>>Why the fuck can't you people can't something simple through your heads? If there is ANY indication that you aren't exactly like they are, you met with contempt and ridicule.
Simple example: Let it be known that you're gay or an atheist and see how fast that hospitality turns into disdain.

From what I've see, southerners are pretty hospitable even if you're gay or atheist. I can't speak for gay people, but they're kind to atheist and probably even gays. They may try to convert you, but they're still kind and sociable towards you.

>>227498
>>227489
>>227486

One post, lots of butthurt from theists.

Argument settled.

>>227516
You can put a dog next to an "edgy, teenage atheist" and make it look like the most mature of the two.
>>227515
This board is not hivemind: the general opinion is not the opinion of every anon.

>>227525

Like I said, just as faith-based and 200x as retarded.

Whenever I hear people trying to say theists aren't insane, I just laugh and tell them that's a logical impossibility. You cannot balance a belief in fairy tales with reality. You cannot have any irrational belief, and still say you are a rational person. It is wrong always, everywhere, and for anyone, to believe anything upon insufficient evidence. And that's what theists do, everyday.

What's to stop them from believing in other things without evidence, as they do their fairy tales? Absolutely nothing, for they've already proven that they have no grasp of reality whatsoever. They are, quite essentially, insane and unstable people (if you can even call them people, and not mindless beasts).

Let us all wait for the inevitable glorious day when theism finally becomes extinct.

>>227466
Most Hispanics in the US tend to lean left on most issues (abortion aside), with the exception of Cubans who are more conservative. I haven't researched blacks in the same way, but they overwhelmingly lean democrat. This isn't something you can just put down to race again.

>>227525
>We are the generation of reason

I thought that was the 18th century

>>227488
Is there a Zues?
Is there a Cat in the hat?
Is there a Skeletor?
Is there a United Federation of planets?
Is there an El?
Is there a Chithulu?
Is there an Easter bunny?
When does it stop becoming reasonable to doubt, when is it ok to say "no, that does not exist, you made that up" ? What is the benchmark? Where is the line? Is it whatever YOU are comfortable with?

>>227532
Dude.. Christmas is a cover-up of YULE. Take the gifts man. There is not ONE holiday that is original to Christianity. They plagiarized everything. Most of it being stolen for the Pagans, and the Pagans were awesome.

>>227547

This religious thread was started by an atheist. You said atheists don't start religious threads.

Some rational logical mind you atheists have there.

>>227453

>You think evangelic christians make a distinction between a hard or weak atheist?

They do, actually. Everyone knows the difference between a baby who doesn't believe in Christianity because he is too stupid to understand, or someone like Carl Sagan who is clearly an intelligent and reasonable person but who doesn't believe in God and someone like Christopher Hitchens or the Amazing Atheist.

>>227565
Creatio ex nihilo is a fairy tale: discuss

>>227532

lovely pasta

I never told my parents.

My atheism started when as a kid I kept coming up with these scholastic arguments for god's existence and they just kept falling apart.

I was so sad that my parents spend their lives believing we will all meet after death and be all happy and that when they die I will never again meet them.

I think they know since ever I stopped going to church but they're not bugging me about it other than occasionally calling me a jew.

I think most religious people are like that actually but then again I'm european and we don't have crazies here aside from jehovahs.

>go to christian for hospitality, tell them you're an atheist
>get invited in

>go to atheist for hospitality, tell them you're a christian
>get locked out

>>227584
No, it was started by a religious troll, not an atheist.

>>227610

What trolling? It seems to be what the majority of atheists here believe anyways.

>>227571

Racial minorities are democrats for welfare, but conservative in actual ideology

All notoriously religious, homophobic, the works

>>227606

Sorry, I don't let nutcases into my home.

>>227551
so? it's because atheists are comprised largely of teenagers that were socially retarded or something.

only thing worse than them are the retards that pretend they're badasses by insulting the abused.

>>227583

>Dude.. Christmas is a cover-up of YULE. Take the gifts man. There is not ONE holiday that is original to Christianity. They plagiarized everything. Most of it being stolen for the Pagans, and the Pagans were awesome.

There was no single group called "the Pagans", and they were not stolen. "The Pagans" is just a catch-all term to refer to non-Abrahamic religions, and most early Christians were Pagan converts (moreso than Jewish converts). That's WHERE the crossover happens--"the Pagans" simply converted and brought some of their older practices over with them.

Also most Christian holidays are original to Christianity--depending on where you live, you might get some cultural traditions mixed in. The Yule log, for example, has pre-Christian roots. So do general ideas like "gifts".

>>227606
>go to christian for hospitality, tell them you're an atheist
>get invited in
Without them trying to convert you? Yeah, I call massive bullshit on that. I'm an atheist. I live with a former minister, roomate. Do you know why we can be in the same household? Because I showed him I know more about religion than he does. I also showed that what he believes is completely irrational bullshit. His defense to this is "I have to believe it" clearly indicating his fear of death and the invisible boogeyman. He is now in college to pursue a degree in elementary education, specifically biology. He knows I know more than he does so the conversation of religion isn't brought up anymore. Most Christians will not shut the fuck up when you prove them wrong. My example is the exception, not the rule.

>http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0160289608000238

My university has access to this, I just downloaded the PDF. Does anyone want screenshots?

>>227618
Welcome to 4chan, Mr. Newfag.

The -MODS- make religion threads on /sci/, for fucks sake.

>Implying ANYONE on /pol/ or 4chan period is religious.
This is the haven of sin and hate of the fucking internet for Christ's sake. Anybody here who claims they're religious is trolling.

>>227667

no, gtfo commie scum

>>227606

True story. Christians don't hate atheists half as much as atheists hate Christians. There's some distrust for the super rabid kind, probably because most modern Christian martyrs were victims of atheistic regimes. But atheists just can't stop shitting their pants over the "sheeple" who refuse to see "the truth". Its too bad.

>>227649

No, the christians stole the pagan beliefs after they killed them all. Learn some history.

>>227661

I never met an atheist who actually knows about religion. Usually when they say they "know religion" they mean that they "know some Bible quotes"

1. God can't be explained by science.
2. Everything can be explained by science.
3. Therefore, god doesn't exist.

I really wonder why theists are so mentally underdeveloped that they can't see the facts for what they are.

>>227649

I'm from eastern europe and there's a lot of these metalhead people around claiming they're followers of Perun, Triglav or Svetovid and the like

I knew one who was a RABID libertarian, appeared to have memorized Human Action and would "Plough the fucking socialist pieces of shit" whenever he could at every fucking social occasion.

Got old pretty fast but nowadays I'm browsing /pol/ and can't help but think of that guy and it makes me lol

>>227649
>Also most Christian holidays are original to Christianity
Name one. Yule is was the winter solstice festival. East was the spring equinox. Halloween was Samhain, Celtic.

Go on. Name one holiday that is original to Christianity. I dare you to try. You might learn something in the process.

>>227661
>WAH HE TRIED TO CONVERT ME!!!!
>Because I showed him I know more about religion than he does. I also showed that what he believes is completely irrational bullshit.

So you tried to convert him, too.

>>227720
>Everything that began to exist has a cause
>The universe began to exist
>The universe has a cause

>>227684

The Christians did not "kill all the pagans", and if they did there would be no Christians left, and Europe would have been completely colonized by Jewish people or whatever. The vast, vast majority of Christians are descendants of pagan converts. There were very few Jewish converts to Christianity outside of the very first group of St. Paul and company.

Reason is opposite of Faith.
Reason is the single greatest marker of high Intelligence.
Faith is the single greater marker of low Intelligence.
Atheists hold the greatest amount of Reason.
Theists hold the greatest amount of Faith.

need I say more?

>>227729

Educating people = converting people

Atheism is about facts, science, logic, reason. Teaching people is not 'converting' them.

>>227736
It was convert of die. That's how ALL the Abrahamic religions were spread. ALL of them.

>>227720

Because your facts, particularly the second one, are about as faith-based as any religion and on top of that aren't even that appealing to people.

"I'm in a religion which has some faith-based tradition components--here let me switch to this pseudo-religion with faith-based dickhead components, with no benefits for myself".

>>227758
*or

>>227758

This.

Christians are the most genocidal, murderous people in history. One of the reasons I don't let them into my home.

>atheists act like total dipshits
>wonder why nobody likes them

True story: Christians are the people that have come in the Christs name who will deceive many.

>>227729
Proving someone wrong so they'll STFU = converting them?
What kind of fucked up world do you live in? Are you one of those people who think education = brainwashing?

>>227751

>Atheism is about facts
>No fact exists that states God doesn't or can't exist

>>227728

>Name one. Yule is was the winter solstice festival. East was the spring equinox. Halloween was Samhain, Celtic.

lol Halloween is only unofficially Christian. Also Easter isn't celebrated on the Vernal Equinox and Christmas isn't celebrated on the Winter Solstice, and even if they were, just because they fall around the same time doesn't make them pagan.

All Saints and All Souls predate the time when Ireland was Christianized, Samhain practices got folded in only because they fell around the same time.

Some more for you
-Pentecost
-Assumption of Mary/Marymas
-Ascension
\-Holy Thursday
-Ash Wednesday
-Feast of St. Nicholas
-Epiphany
-Feast of the Immaculate Conception
-Candlemas
-Fat Tuesday
-Michaelmas
-Good Friday
-Corpus Christi
-St. Patrick's Day
-St. Valentine's Day

And there are plenty more, btw, if you want them.

>>227801
>Completely ignores logic or paradoxes.
>Then claims something completely retarded like god is above logic.
Define your god, without being stupid and making a word interchangeable with god like the universe, and I can easily refute "his" existence. Your god is actually your ego though.

>>227768

>Christians are the most genocidal, murderous people in history. One of the reasons I don't let them into my home.

Except atheists have killed far more religious in the last 100 years than Christians have in the name of Christiandome

>>227801
"Belief" is not proof, and neither is faith, however retards think homeopathy works, too.

I knew I was doing the right thing when I became a Sunday School teacher. I was an atheist, but I lied enough that they actually thought I was Christian. I guess being an atheist, I knew more about religion then they did. The priest was also a very good friend of mine.

Seeing the children be so blinded by superstition was depressing, indeed. But I managed to subvert the church from within, and eventually educated them all towards the truth that is atheism. I was also speaking to my priest friend, putting in little hints of reality into our conversations. He eventually deconverted, left the church, and began to live an honest secular life.

The church eventually became abandoned with the community itself becoming atheist over time, and it put a tear of joy to my eye.

>>227758

>It was convert of die. That's how ALL the Abrahamic religions were spread. ALL of them.


1) lol bullshit. Rastafarianism? Judaism? Baha'i? Jehovah's Witnesses? Mormons?

Basically you mean Islam (sometimes, depending where), and Roman Catholicism (sometimes, depending where)--even then, those types of demands could only be made once enough Pagans had converted that "convert or die" was even a real threat. A handful of Jews weren't holding up the Roman Empire telling them to "convert or die".

to each his own

>>227903

Unless they're wrong, like theists.

Nobody has the right to be wrong, especially when they do so much damage to society and humanity.

>>227927

Atheists do more damage to society than theists do. Hell, theists ARE society.

Also, atheists are wrong on most things, hth.

>>227861
> Also Easter isn't celebrated on the Vernal Equinox and Christmas isn't celebrated on the Winter Solstice, and even if they were, just because they fall around the same time doesn't make them pagan.
Nigger what? Pagans came before Christians. That's an irrefutable fact.

>All Saints and All Souls predate the time when Ireland was Christianized, Samhain practices got folded in only because they fell around the same time.
So you're agreeing that Halloween was plagiarizing Samhain?

>>227892
> Rastafarianism? Judaism? Baha'i? Jehovah's Witnesses? Mormons?
All Christian. Little sects of Christianity are irrelevant. Christianity as a whole has been spread by the sword. Denying this is to deny reality.

>Basically you mean Islam (sometimes, depending where)
Umm... no. Islam is stuck in the Dark Ages and unlikely to join the rest of the civilized world any time soon. Easy example: The penalty for apostasy is?
>Roman Catholicism (sometimes, depending where
Inquisition ffs

This fucking thread expresses exactly OP's point.

Good job you shit-sucking cockholes.

>>227801

Nice work shifting the burden of proof.
You're the one making the claim that a god exists. It's your job to prove it.

>>227937

>Nigger what? Pagans came before Christians. That's an irrefutable fact.

Sure, and so what? Pagans converting to a new religion and making new holidays doesn't make those holidays "pagan".

>So you're agreeing that Halloween was plagiarizing Samhain?

Some of the practices. Its called religious syncretism, and its different than plagiarism, sperglord.

Also I like how you skipped over that bigass list of Christian holidays.

>All Christian. Little sects of Christianity are irrelevant. Christianity as a whole has been spread by the sword. Denying this is to deny reality.

Rastifarianism and Baha'i and JUDAISM are Christian? Oh wait you are retarded nevermind lol.

>Umm... no. Islam is stuck in the Dark Ages and unlikely to join the rest of the civilized world any time soon. Easy example: The penalty for apostasy is?

Its funny because given all the violence of atheism in the last 100 years, atheists always point to the Dark Ages to justify their modern behavior. But we aren't talking about where Islam is stuck, just that it didn't always spread through "convert or die" practices.

>Inquisition ffs

Aimed at heretics long long after Christianity already took hold of the continent. ffs. I think you need to read a book or three.

>>227871
If the actions of an Atheist society are to be counted, then you must also count those of christian societies.

Many tens of millions dead from Christian colonialists in the Americas right there. And thats not even counting the millions upon millions who died directly and indirectly from colonialism around the globe on behalf of christian societies throughout history.

Nice corner you've painted for yourself there. Got any more rhetoric?

>>227998

>You're the one making the claim that a god exists. It's your job to prove it.

You are the one making the claim that "atheism is about facts", and so its your job to prove it.

>>227733

>Cosmological Argument.

You're not old enough to have taken ONE theology class, are you?

>>228008

>If the actions of an Atheist society are to be counted, then you must also count those of christian societies.

I am counting when their killing was in some way religious (or anti-religiously) motivated. Atheists have sought out to kill and re-educate bucketloads of theists at the same time that Christians in general have become more accommodating toward atheism. What I am trying to say is that atheists are backward.

>Many tens of millions dead from Christian colonialists in the Americas right there. And thats not even counting the millions upon millions who died directly and indirectly from colonialism around the globe on behalf of christian societies throughout history.

Except I was talking about the last 100 years....so...like, um. Also most colonial/imperial elites were atheist/Deist anyway.

>>228033
>Except I was talking about a period that supports my argument instead of looking at the whole history because then I'd have to admit that my beliefs are detrimental to society and humanity as a whole.
Fixed that for you.

>>228011

It -is- based on facts. I'm not entirely sure what else you want from me other than a recounting of the scientific method. However, I think I know what the base of your perception of Atheism is, and I'll tell you how you're mistaken.

Of course one cannot disprove God because it's not possible to disprove a negative. No one supporting empirical logic will tell you that there can be no god because of lack of evidence. HOWEVER. The likelihood of a god existing is infinitely small compared to the likelihood of a god NOT existing.

To wit, I'm an Atheist in the same sense that I'm an A-fairy-ist, an A-leprechaun-ist, an A-dragon-ist, and an A-unicorn-ist. Get it?

>>228062

No I was talking about the modern era, because that is what is actually relevant to people today. Atheists killing are in living memory and ongoing in some places.

>>228033
>Also most colonial/imperial elites were atheist/Deist anyway
That is pure bullshit. Do you even know why the colonists came to America? Do you know who the puritans are? STFU

>>228084
>Only things that are recent are relevant to me because to think otherwise shows I'm full of shit.
Why can't you just admit this?

>>228086

>That is pure bullshit. Do you even know why the colonists came to America? Do you know who the puritans are? STFU

The Puritans were not colonial elites. They were a bunch of Christfags who came over and nearly prompty all got killed.

>>228086

The Puritans were not the intellectual elite handled government affairs. They were the uneducated peasants.

The founding fathers were predominantly Deist. Don't tell people to shut up just because you didn't happen to take a US history class.

>>227998

You have an equal burden to disprove god's existence. It's a cop out to just sit back and say "I'm right but I don't have to prove shit"

>>228073

>It -is- based on facts. I'm not entirely sure what else you want from me other than a recounting of the scientific method.

The very idea that things outside the material world could or should be measured via the scientific method is itself not a fact. The track record of the scientific method in dealing with anything outside of the physical sciences is piss-poor at best.

But yeah keep on raging about the giant sky fairy dad or whatever.

>>228008
Tens of millions? The native population never exceeded 5 million. Did we dig them up and reshoot them?

>>228122
>>228124
Do either of you know what Manifest Destiny is? Also, being among the elite means dick without the populous supporting you.

>>228129
>You have an equal burden to disprove god's existence.

I don't, actually, but if you insist...

The idea of a creator deity runs contrary to the laws of thermodynamics, in particular the law of conservation of matter. Matter cannot be created nor destroyed, only changed.

Ergo, there is no God.

>>228102

???

The discussion has always been centered on the modern day. Sure, if we were living 1000 years ago, then I would be wrong in saying atheists are more violent. But the theists who lived 1000 years ago are not related to the theists of today. You fucking retard.

>>228153

>He actually believes we completely understand how the universe works

Oh wait you're serious lololololo.

>>228145

Like that which has its roots in continentalism, as espoused by John Quincy Adams, a fucking Deist?

Anon, you blockhead.

>>228163
Modern times you say? Okay, I'll bite. how many atheists are going around actively denying other people rights? How many are threatening believers with imaginary hell fire? How many are using their beliefs in an imaginary friend guide their political actions? How many of them are trying to be imperialistic assholes and dominate countries weaker than they? How many of them are vehemently opposed to education? How many of them are vehemently opposed to universal healthcare?

>>228129

Let's see. As an Atheist, I'm not making any claim that a god exists and find that a god existing is less likely than a god not existing based on scientific rationality and the logical process.

You assert that a god does exist because you were told a god exists and have no way to disprove it.

Now, who here is making a claim that something exists? Not me. Whoever came up with the idea of a god introduced a new idea to the world, and simply because he was never disproven, but also never proven, means that a god exists?
Fallacious arguments always sound better in your head, don't they?

>>226824
>Here's the actual study, if any of you fags are willing to spend $30 just to read it:

>http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0160289608000238

Why the fuck would anyone spend $30.00 on a 5 page article written by people whose jobs are subsidized by tax-payers dollars? Good thing these pay-walls are easily circumventable. Only a newfag would let himself get robbed by ScienceDirect. Heres the article for free:

http://www.mediafire.com/?t6dz68tf7ujbbc5

>>228195
>He actually believes any argument that doesn't follow the rules of logic can be correct as long as it comes from him.
Ohyou.jpg

If your god is refuted by logic or logical paradoxes, your god DOES NOT exist. End of discussion.
inb4godisabovelogicbecauseisaidso

Only, like, four of the Founding Fathers were deists. One was a Catholic, and the rest were Protestants.

The thing I hate the most about this "New Atheism" movement is that the majority of these "New Atheists" are poorly educated neckbeards who are just repeating the same thing their preacher (Dawkins, Hitchens...) told them.

As a real atheist, I am offended by these people who consider themselves my equals.