>wah

No that's really the best. /pol/ish are pretty famous for being slow and retarded.

Here's a tissue and some tampons op.

I don't care about anecdotal reports of somebody looting something or acting like an asshole, I dislike the OWS movement because of the "progressive stack" bullshit.

>Occupy Wall Street’s General Assembly operates under a revolutionary “progressive stack.” A normal “stack” means those who wish to speak get in line. A progressive stack encourages women and traditionally marginalized groups speak before men, especially white men. This is something that has been in place since the beginning, it is necessary, and it is important.

>“Step up, step back” was a common phrase of the first week, encouraging white men to acknowledge the privilege they have lived in their entire lives and to step back from continually speaking. This progressive stack has been inspiring and mind-boggling in its effectiveness. Manissa McCleave Maharawal writes on Racialicious regarding her block. In fact, the Declaration of the Occupation of Wall Street would not have been released if not for the blocking power of a different document a week prior by the Speakeasy caucus (for non-male identified and traditionally marginalized people)

http://feministing.com/2011/10/04/guest-post-my-hope-for-occupy-wall-street/

That's ood for two reasons
1.They show that their arguments are cretin
2. They're forced to think, it burns their two working neurons, they have a nervous breakdown.
As a bonus, their bosses fired them because they can't even repeat bullshit anymore and they're forced to stop with the anti OWS trolling
Gotta think in long term benefits, pal.

>>220284
>>220268

You're just helping me prove my point, you know.

>Pic related, it's you when you try to troll the OWS supporters.

Its not me, its how I picture OWS supporters.

Their complete inability to articulate a coherent message, coupled with their alignment with shit-tier socialist groups is why I don't care for them.

I don't even bother listening to the haters anymore. If they want to be brainwashed by capitalism and worship the plutocrats, they can go right ahead.

They should know that they will be branded as traitors of The People once we're through with this.

Because the OWS crowd are no better than the bankers that got bailed out. They want to suckle on the tit of government bailout for their poor choices in life.

>>220291

I'll just leave this here.

Anon Cliff Notes to Rooting out Shills

>crybaby
>stupid hipster
>iphone
>hippies
>morons who don't know how capitalism works
>kids who want a handout
>tinfoil hat
>bunch of stupid collage kids
>bunch of whiny liberal arts majors
>ignorant fuck
>go back to economics class

The other tactic involves instigating violance

>Can't wait for someone to shoot a cop
>Bring Gasoline and Bricks

NEW:
>Philosophy/WOMEN'S STUDIES (usually all caps) d and degrees
>I was an immigrant and now make 65k etc..
>This is a racist movement
>Soros funds your movement
>Republican+-Democratic rhetoric drawing attention away from real topic
>Posting slurs unrelated to pics or subject
>STARTS NEW THREAD WHEN PROVEN SHILL OR DERAILED
Pass it on

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zz22OvY6FTY

Here you can see the pro-capitalist, reformist, peaceful protests who are NOT destroying buildings. LOL. All anarchists should be executed.

>>220327
You started by saying that pic is me. Why would I want to waste time insulting or assuming things about people i don't know. However, from your op I can confidently conclude you are a faggot. Instead of being butthurt that people have opinions, why not post all the positive things osw is doing. Come on, I dare you.

Inb4 retarded pic with retarded text

>>220346

>implying those statements are not accurate descriptions of your movement.

>>220291

What's wrong with fighting against the ruling cultural classes? The 1% are rich patriarchal white males - they're privileged by association. To give middle-class white males the same priority, is to give in to the patriarchy.

Seriously, take a fucking social studies class sometime.

Anti-OWS people are either trolls or Randtards. That's about it.

They're pretty harmless, though. Most are happy typing away on their computers and generally being ineffectual. They're much too cowardly to publicly take a stand against anything.

>>220346
>Engage in blatant racism
>PEOPLE WHO CALL OWS RACISTS ARE CORPORATE SHILLS, NOBODY CAN CRITICIZE US AND MEAN IT!
No true Scotsman, much?

>>220363

see

>>220327

But hey, if you really wanna keep demonstrating how bad you are at trolling instead of trying to improve, I guess you're entitled to that right.

>>220379
>Seriously, take a fucking social studies class sometime.
Sorry, I'm too busy studying math and science to waste my time with pseudo-scientific drivel.

They really have no good arguments against OWS left. All they can do is say the same thing, over and over.

Protip: If the MSM didn't stop us, bitching on the Internet won't either.

OWS is a true People's movement. The fact that anyone could think of criticizing it is fucking laughable, and shows just how much they hate their fellow human beings in arms. We're finally giving you an opportunity to make your voice heard, but it turns out you're mute. And dumb.

Keep on praying to your capitalist gods, I'm sure they'll trickly down their wealth onto you. We'll be doing the righteous valiant thing and fighting to overthrow them.

>>220346

Oh lawdy, now if you accurately describe the OWS supporters you're a 'shill' for the man.

>>220379

>What's wrong with fighting against the ruling cultural classes? The 1% are rich patriarchal kikes - they're privileged by association. To give other kikes the same priority

Fixed for ya.

>criticize OWS
>OWS = 99% of humanity

Anti-OWS fags proven for misanthropes
They're such fucking fox news drones

>>220390
How is posting the shit these anarchists are actually doing trolling?

Anti-OWS posters, like all reactionary movements, are obsessed with stamping out weakness and fear infection.

They're a lot like AIDS, actually.

>>220391

>history = pseudo-science

i am more confus right now than I have ever been in my life

>>220394

Try it faggot. I'd be happy to snipe you from 300 meters away as you try to "socialize" my crops.
>small business owner with 40 acres of farmland and a large arsenal prepared for the inevitability hyperinflation collapse.

>>220403

To accurately describe OWS is to call it a righteous movement for freedom from oppression. Open your fucking eyes for once in your lifetime, and join us in our struggle.

>>220414
>social studies
>history

Nope

Its just because its been a month and a half and all they have seemed to do is prove they can stay there and march.

Not made any real influence

Some people's lives have such little meaning that they'd rather mock those trying to change the system instead of trying to change things themselves.

It's a combination of nihilism and the crab mentality.

>>220421

We're voicing the true opinion of the population. More than you fucking class traitors have ever been able to do.

Look around at what capitalism has done to the world. Just fucking look around.

>>220414
>Claim that not being prejudiced against white males is "giving in to the patriarchy".
>Cite "social studies" in the abstract as though that makes your point for you.
You got a facetious response to a facetious assertion. You'll get a real one when you stop being a shrill racist.

>>220414
History = a forensic examination of evidence.

Pseudo-history = written by lazy-ass Jews that never traveled to one historical site they write school books about.

>>220410

Wow, you really are bad at this. I kinda feel sorry for you.

>>220245

"... Can't you come up with anything other than "HURR A FEW OF THEM ARE PAINTING GRAFFITI ON BUILDINGS AND SWEARING, THAT MEANS THEY'RE ALL ANARCHISTS," ..."

You still get the 1/10 for making me reply at all, but Jesus Christ man...

>>220341

The only thing you'll be through with is adolescence.

Then you'll have to grow up and get a job.

Also the whole idea of the leftist slackers who populate the OWS doing anything remotely militaristic is laughable.

ITT: spoiled brats

>>220418

What oppression? Nobody forced you to major in the social sciences. Why didn't you study something useful? Oh right, was math too hard so you thought you could just live a comfortable white collar life with no skill sets forever? Fuck off, you want the rest of us to bail you out for your poor choices, just like the fucking bankers.

>>220423

They just don't understand that we're fighting for real change. They're all for the status quo. Bunch of pathetic fucks.

>>220423

Indeed. The Anti-OWS crowd doesn't want anyone to break away from the corporate oligarchs. They'd rather preserve the status quo because left without it they might actually have to make their own choices.

It's much easier for them to peddle their Ayn Rand and impotently rant.

>>220436

ANTI OWS SHILL DETECTED

refer to >>220346 , please

>>220438

What real change? You want a bailout.

>>220430
Typical liberal debate tactic: simply ignore your opposition. I hope you get beat up by the police.

flawless victory op, flawless victory

>>220448

We're for REAL CHANGE, not handouts

And also:
>>220346
>kids who want a handout

>>220432

>calling yourself a spoiled brat

Didn't really think that one through, did you?

>shill

>>220452

That one didn't make any sense at all. If I were ignoring you, we wouldn't even be arguing. At this point I can't tell if you're trying to troll me, or make me laugh.

>>220446
>Someone with an opposing opinion.
>Better type in caps.

You are no better than faux news.

>>220457

Then why did you let unions take over your movement? When their entitlements have bankrupted states left and right. Why are there so many demands for debt forgiveness of student loans?

Anyone who insults OWS is wrong.

>>220448
Well, you're wrong about that, but thanks for bringing up the bailout because it raises an important point about the misunderstanding the anti-OWS reactionaries have about what OWS is doing.

And the bailout thing is at the core of it. "We" don't want a bailout. We want you all to recognize that there's something inherently wrong with the level of suffering the rest of America must endure while the billionaires (the aforementioned 1%), individuals who bankrupted the entire world, get to walk away from that horrendous action with their own bailout---one you paid for, by the way---which they then use to pat themselves on the bank with million dollar bonuses.

That's the kind of injustice OWS is moving against. Why would you want to coddle and protect an institution that rewards incredibly rich people for fucking up wholesale? Why hold on to a system that would reward those rich fuckups with your money?

>>220457

Why don't you tell us what REAL CHANGE consist of?

Is it the kind of change we can believe in?

Does it restore hope?

>get butthurt about OWS
>post about it on 4chan
>accomplish nothing

You stay classy, Kochbots.

>>220458
It includes me as well. However, I want to grow up. You want handouts.

Inb4 yer on 4chan, yer no grownup

>>220481

>participating = taking over

The tin foil is strong in this one...

Once again, there are only two types of people that oppose OWS: trolls and Randfags.

That's how comically one-dimensional they are. Typical reactionaries.

>>220482
>>220482
>>220482
>>220482
>>220482
>>220482

This

>>220494

>Randfag or troll

Boring. We already know the rhetoric.

I'm waiting to be impressed.

>>220481

Just because you see one or two debt forgivers doesn't mean we all are, you fucking anti-owser

>>220486

Sure does. Unfortunately you don't actually want a change.

>>220485

The whole notion that some raggedy ass dorks could take down banking and the power of the elite...

Wake up, better men(and I use that term loosely) than you have tried and failed.

>>220485
>Why would you want to coddle and protect an institution that rewards incredibly rich people for fucking up wholesale? Why hold on to a system that would reward those rich fuckups with your money?

Because they're fucking idiots who don't realize how screwed they are.

You hear that, haters? By attacking the OWS, you're attacking your only means of freedom from this capitalist system of slavery.

>>220526

I don't recall anyone else trying anything like the occupy movement, and reaching this level of success, at any point in modern history. And the notion that people should just give up because it's hard is idiotic.

>>220502
Well, the charge of racism was never really addressed, so I think it's possible people who have a problem with that might conceivably have a beef with OWS. I speak for myself when I say it turned me off.

>>220521

half of your movement participants are government union members who have bankrupted state coffers. You talk about the wallstreet bailout, which was 700 billion, of which the majority has paid back to the tax payer. What you are completely ignoring is the 5-7 trillion in unfunded liabilities to public pensions. Thats why I can't take you seriously because you are being used as a tool for a bailout of public union benefits.

Is this all there is? A bunch of neckbeards complaining that OWS is hippies?

It's like you're not even trying. I mean, I hope you're not. Otherwise I'd feel embarrassed that you're part of the 99% too. I guess we have to take the good with the phenomenally retarded, though.

>>220481
>Then why did you let unions take over your movement? When their entitlements have bankrupted states left and right.

It's funny, because neither of those statements are accurate. Labor unions bankrupted states left and right? Which ones, specifically, were bankrupted---again, specifically---by labor unions?

And taken over? You realize that OWS is broad enough that unions, and any other organization looking for an end to this ridiculous income disparity, are welcome in the movement, right?

>Why are there so many demands for debt forgiveness of student loans?

While the demands for student loan forgiveness hardly account for the majority of demands within the protest movement, it's a fair question and it deserves a response.

Part of the problem with the income disparity is a devaluing of undergraduate degrees. So, individuals are getting locked into these loans, the price of which outpace the incomes earned by careers using those degrees.

It's a little like the mortgage crisis. You purchase a house with an 80% mortgage---a responsible home loan---and because the aforementioned fuckbags who bankrupted the world destroyed the mortgage industry, your house is now worth far less then that mortgage. The same is now true of the jobs market. You are required to get a degree in something to get a job somewhere. Except the jobs market is so fucked over that you're now paying more on your student loan than your degree is worth.

inb4 retarded dickering about the value of liberal arts degrees over engineering degrees, non-sequitur and feel free to come back when you have an actual response.

>>220530

The problem is, they've gotten used to being slaves. It's better for them to support the 1% rather than have control over their own lives.

They'd rather be embraced as servants than live as free men. Poor bastards.

>>220291
are you fucking serious
the "privilege" of being a white guy is what everybody should enjoy, not everybody except white dudes
have they completely missed the point to the last half a century of equality movements

>>220526
Popular rebellions against an elite class have a long history of success. You need to check up on your history, son.

I wonder if anyone complaining about OWS would actually have the integrity to actually go to an occupy meeting and enter into a dialogue with those there.

I realize it's a lot harder than sitting down and typing propaganda, but maybe try it at least once.

>>220572

http://www.vanityfair.com/business/features/2011/11/michael-lewis-201111

educate yourself, faggot. Public unions bargained for outrageous benefits and want to keep it.

>>220481
>a derp derp i don't understand what im saying but fox news said it so im mad about it

>>220554

neckbeards are the OWS.

I've seen you fags you are hipster, liberal, Obongo supporters.

I dislike you and your Marxist rhetoric immensely.

Anon Cliff Notes to Rooting out OWS Faggots

>neckbeards
>Randtards
>class traitors
>troll
>shill
>AIDs
>tin foils
>Kochbots
>capitalist slaves
>plutocrat worshippers
>misanthropes

>>220592

>anything better than what I have is "outrageous"
>instead of bettering myself I should pull everyone else down to my level

Oh Lord, please let your grace shine upon this anally devastated moron...

>>220592
Seriously? Arnie tells some fuckwit from Vanity Fair that unions bankrupted California, and that somehow counts as evidence that all labor unions every where are bankrupting states left and right?

This is the best you can do?

>>220601
Don't forget republican libertarians, too. Fags, including the republicans.

>>220577

That WAS the point of the last century of equality movements.

>>220607

They really do just keep on repeating the same things, don't they.

Fuck OWS.

>>220607

And now you resort to imitation. Is that all you got? Have you exhausted all resources to the point that you can't even do something different from your opposition?

>>220613

>fuckwit
>Michael Lewis

wat?

>>220628

>doesn't see the irony

>>220640

>doesn't see the irony

>>220612

>typical liberal, can never read into any depth

>Excerpts

Over the past dec­ade the city of San Jose had repeatedly caved to the demands of its public-safety unions. In practice this meant that when the police or fire department of any neighboring city struck a better deal for itself, it became a fresh argument for improving the pay of San Jose police and fire. The effect was to make the sweetest deal cut by public-safety workers with any city in Northern California the starting point for the next round of negotiations for every other city. The departments also used each other to score debating points. For instance, back in 2002, the San Jose police union cut a three-year deal that raised police officers’ pay by 18 percent over the contract. Soon afterward, the San Jose firefighters cut a better deal for themselves, including a pay raise of more than 23 percent. The police felt robbed and complained mightily until the city council crafted a deal that handed them 5 percent more premium pay in exchange for training to fight terrorists. “We got famous for our anti-terrorist-training pay,” explains one city official. Eventually the anti-terrorist-training premium pay stopped; the police just kept the extra pay, with benefits. “Our police and firefighters will earn more in retirement than they did when they were working,” says Reed.

>>220628

You do realize that you're complaining about people saying the same thing by saying the same thing, right?

Aren't you the least bit bothered by the fact that you have no arguments?

>>220618

They want equality of income even though they aren't equally qualified.

OWS is nothing more than the same egalitarian, leftist, anti-racist scum as always.

>>220650

Tsk, tsk. Think you for proving my point.

You can copy this message too if you want. Relieve your kindergarten days on /pol/.

>>220653
>typical conservative, uses one example and extrapolates out of all sense and reason.

San Jose =/= the rest of the nation.

He hands me a chart. It shows that the city’s pension costs when he first became interested in the subject were projected to run $73 million a year. This year they would be $245 million: pension and health-care costs of retired workers now are more than half the budget. In three years’ time pension costs alone would come to $400 million, though “if you were to adjust for real life expectancy it is more like $650 million.” Legally obliged to meet these costs, the city can respond only by cutting elsewhere. As a result, San Jose, once run by 7,450 city workers, was now being run by 5,400 city workers. The city was back to staffing levels of 1988, when it had a quarter of a million fewer residents. The remaining workers had taken a 10 percent pay cut; yet even that was not enough to offset the increase in the city’s pension liability. The city had closed its libraries three days a week. It had cut back servicing its parks. It had refrained from opening a brand-new community center, built before the housing bust, because it couldn’t pay to staff the place. For the first time in history it had laid off police officers and firefighters.

>>220658

You have no arguments except for calling everyone who dares criticize the OWS a corporate shill, a randtard, or a troll.

>>220666

anti-ows shill detected

>>220671

That's because it's fucking true. You people are too fucking blind and stupid to see the pure virtue in OWS. We're telling it like it is. Not our fault you have to resort to petty namecalling because you have no arguments.

Back in 2008, unable to come to terms with its many creditors, Vallejo declared bankruptcy. Eighty percent of the city’s budget—and the lion’s share of the claims that had thrown it into bankruptcy—were wrapped up in the pay and benefits of public-safety workers. Relations between the police and the firefighters, on the one hand, and the citizens, on the other, were at historic lows. The public-safety workers thought that the city was out to screw them on their contracts; the citizenry thought that the public-safety workers were using fear as a tool to extort money from them. The local joke was that “P.D.” stands for “Pay or Die.” The city-council meetings had become exercises in outrage: at one, a citizen arrived with a severed pig’s head on a barbecue grill. “There’s no good reason why Vallejo is as fucked up as it is,” says longtime resident Marc Garman, who created a Web site to catalogue the civil war. “It’s a boat ride to San Francisco. You throw a stone and you hit Napa.” Since the bankruptcy, the police and fire departments have been cut in half; some number of the citizens who came to Phil Batchelor’s office did so to say they no longer felt safe in their own homes. All other city services had been reduced effectively to zero. “Do you know that some cities actually pave their streets?” says Batchelor. “That’s not here.”

So now anti-OWS fags are simply repeating what OWS with the meanings reversed? Sigh.

It gives me no pleasure to tell you that you're pretty much lost and made yourselves look like butthurt salves.

>>220686
>>220670
>>220653

Nobody gives a shit about your anti-union capitalist propaganda

>>220666
I don't speak for the entire OWS, but I don't think that's accurate. I doubt anyone seriously thinks we should all have the same pay, regardless of occupation or qualification.

But the income gap between the rich and the poor is outrageous. If the market worked like it should, everything would be getting better for everyone. Except, in this recession, in the past year, salaries and benefits for that top 1% quadrupled. In the same period of time, every other salary range remained stagnant or improved by less than a quarter of a percent. There's something inherently wrong with that.

But no one's saying the answer is that we all have exactly the same amount of money in our bank accounts. That's fucking absurd.

>>220681

Everyone who disagrees with me is stupid and a shill.

Thats the whining of all partisans.

>>220653
>blames unions for the horrific situation of San Jose
You're a fucking idiot
I am serious
Have you done no research at all

>>220671
>>220650
>>220628
>>220601

Samefag. Try some variation.

>>220689

They're such fucking sheeps to capitalism. I can hear them baaing from here. So pathetic.

Feels good to have a clear head on your shoulders while fighting for freedom.

>>220701
>>220681
You both look like fucking morons. Shut up.

>>220704

How are those posts similar in any way?

>>220693
Fuck you you Marxist shit bag.

Get some weapons and bring it on.

You faggots wouldn't last a week.

>>220709

Yet another fucking corporate shill trying to silence our grand movement.

No, YOU move. We won't stand for this shit any longer.

>>220706

Like Marxism ever led to freedom.

>>220670
>completely ignores the jackass move by Tea Party supported movements that called for higher pensions and lower taxes
>hurr durr its all the libruls fault

>>220714
<facepalm> It's people like you and Ketchup that are going to tank us. You and your little butt buddy that are going back and forth calling each other names look like idiots.

>>220710

They're anti-OWS, and as it's already been proven, dissenters are all bought off by corporations to spread disinformation and dissent on the internet, because they're pathetic neckbeards who betray their fellow comrades in arms and side with the 1% scum.

>>220701

No, you're stupid and a shill when you say the same things over and over without any intention of dialogue.

Then you claim people pointing out your shilling are engaging in the same thing. It's classic projection. There are many well reasoned arguments in this thread, but you choose to ignore them. You seemingly have no other goal than to get attention.

If you're not going to respect the opinions of others, why should they respect yours? Why should they respond to you at all?

>>220714
>>220712
>>220717
>>220706

All right Han and Leia, go get a goddamn hotel room and get it over with.

>>220717
>>220722

Refer to
>>220346

Educate yourselves.

>anti-ows trolls posing as ows supporters and resorting to simple name-calling to sabotage the opposition

stay classy, guys

>>220724

They're not even capable of rational thought. They still actually believe capitalism can give them wealth and power. Don't bother with trying to reason with these disgraces to human kind.

>>220738

LOL

Like Marxism ever made anyone wealthy.

>>220730

It's sad what lengths they will go to sabotage our movement. They have no arguments, just the same insults and bashings, typical of randtards

>>220738

I'm going to go to OWS try to find a commie and strangle him.

>>220743

You know nothing of communism, you're just brainwashed by western capitalist propaganda, telling you "dur unions and movements who fight for workers rights are EVIL YOU SHUD BE SLAVES TO CAPITALISTSSS DUUURR".

So fucking stupid, all of you.

>>220730
If that were true, I'd have to say that would be pretty sophisticated.

>>220728

You might be getting me (>>220572, >>220698, >>220722) confused with someone else.

>>220743
False dichotomy.

They're always trying to throw the "socialist" label on us when it's totally fucking unfounded, pure fabrication. Probably too busy watching Beck and inbreeding than actually being a real political intellectual.

And what the fuck is so bad about socialism, anyways? Are they that desperate to be wage slaves?

>>220767

They really are, judging by this thread. It's kind of depressing, really. Sigh.

ANYONE WHO HAS A PROBLEM WITH OWS NEEDS TO BE ASS RAPED BY NIGGERS.

>>220751
>HURR IF A HANDFUL OF THEM ARE COMMUNISTS THEN THAT MEANS THEY'RE ALL COMMUNISTS

OWS is non partisan

>>220767
Who said there is anything bad about socialism? Why are you always asking that question as though it's somehow revolutionary to not be a 100% free market capitalist on every issue and the U.S. doesn't have socialist policies like welfare, food stamps, social security, medicare and medicaid in place already?

>>220786
>and the U.S. doesn't have socialist policies like welfare, food stamps, social security, medicare and medicaid in place already?

You don't know what the fuck socialism means, and it doesn't count if it's only halfway there

An actual full socialist system sounds like it would work a fuckload a lot better than it does now. Or do you people really love the capitalist corruption we live in right now THAT much?

if OWS == 99%, then only 38% of OWS voted in the last federal election. OWS needs to STFU and vote.

>>220786

Good lord, you people really don't have any arguments

Keep on peddling the same insults against us, see how far you get

>>220816
>Socialism doesn't count unless it's a hundred percent lol
>Any amount of private competition is capitalism lol
So being capitalist is like being black huh? And socialists are the Aryan master race?

>>220822
I challenge you to find a single fucking insult in that post.

cut through this bullshit. We all know what you want. You want to take money from the rich and give it to the poor and to bailout your student loans. But to be able to do that means giving the government more power, who will simply collude with the super powerful and rich and the tax will fall on the upper/middle class the hardest. And instead of the money going into the poor, it'd go to the pocket of public unions. Thats why nobody takes you guys seriously.

>>220845

Typical anti-OWS dodging of blame. You clearly are criticizing us like a common shill.

Face the facts, you have nothing on us.

>>220848
>You want to take money from the rich and give it to the poor and to bailout your student loans.

>>220346
>Anon Cliff Notes to Rooting out Shills
>kids who want a handout

Check and MATE.

>>220838

Don't try to reason with him.

He's an extreme leftist who faps to Das Capital.

He also doesn't know history, all pure socialist countries have failed.

inb4: they didn't do it right

>>220878
>He also doesn't know history

should add that little nugget of bullshit onto >>220346

>>220877

What which part of what I said was wrong?

I've learned everything I know about OWS from their very own words on the internet, and their own video footage

And I hate them to holy hell. Especially for finalizing my absolute disdain for this generation. Boomers 2.0. Now I have GenY Guilt.

>>220890

Read the fucking cliff notes guide. Now go run along to your Koch brothers to get your shill pay.

>>220887

ITT: Every possible criticism of OWS is wrong and can only come from shills.

OWS:
>people stealing from each other
>rape shelters
>violence
>blocking traffic
>damaging public property
>costing taxpayers millions in city resources
>protesting corporations while using their facilities, wearing their clothes
>rape shelters
>claim the other side is funded by special interest like the koch brothers, while receiving large anonymous donations
i can't wait till these people take control of the government

>>220910

Maybe if your criticisms made sense and wasn't just senseless insults, but no, you aren't even capable of that. We OWSers have been nothing but complimentary and respectable in this thread, but you've failed to deliver any reasonable arguments against us.

I say again, Check and Mate.

>>220918
>believing right wing propaganda

Mmhmm, you keep doing that

Baaa. Baaa.

http://www.amren.com/mtnews/archives/2011/11/racism--occupy.php
>She later accused Schultz of “insidious racism” and “white supremacy,”
Optional surveys meant to gather information, the new tool of oppression used by white supremacists everywhere.
------
Big Government has learned that a major internal fight has erupted among Occupy Wall Street organizers after activists began circulating an infographic published by FastCompany, the “progressive business” magazine.

The infographic in question depicts the results of an internal online survey conducted by Occupy Wall Street supporters at occupywallst.org.

The data, compiled by advertising analyst Harrison Schultz and Ford Foundation sociologist Dr. Héctor R. Cordero-Guzmán, were intended to promote the idea, as Dr. Cordero-Guzmán put it, that “the 99% movement comes from and looks like the 99%.”

Some activists were outraged, however, that the survey results and the infographic show Occupy Wall Street to be 81.2 percent white, and only 1.6 percent black.

By comparison, the U.S. population is 77.1 percent white and 12.9 percent black, according to the U.S. Census Bureau—making the Occupy Wall Street movement disproportionately white.

The infographic, depicted below, caused instant controversy when it was shared among Occupy Wall Street organizers. One activist reacted: “81% white protestors—and you actually made a flyer proudly advertising this lie, in a multicultural city like NYC? You must be crazy and blind.”

She later accused Schultz of “insidious racism” and “white supremacy,” and demanded “serious mediation” from organizers on the Safer Spaces working group, the internal security apparatus of Occupy Wall Street.

Brain washed republicunts thread?
Count me in!

Not going to argue with morons. Keep smoking pot and dreaming that you aren't beholden to union interests.

OP supports a 90% tax on his earnings as he is the 1% of the world.

>>220918
>people stealing from each other
Very little theft occurs

>rape shelters
Yes militant feminists really shelter rapists. That's like their whole "thing".

>violence
Surprisingly little violence for hundreds of thousands of people.

>blocking traffic
>damaging public property
Some is unavoidable from large crowds. Others are suspected false flag black bloc police shills. I'm sure you know all about shills.

>costing taxpayers millions in city resources
Yep. Taxpayers making their voices heard. Too bad the police are attacking the protestors instead of focusing on organizing detours.

>protesting corporations while using their facilities, wearing their clothes
They're protesting the corporations influence, not the corporations products or existence.

>rape shelters
You said that twice

>claim the other side is funded by special interest like the koch brothers, while receiving large anonymous donations
The donations aren't large, they're small donations that add up.

>i can't wait till these people take control of the government
Too late. The government is by the people and these people vote.

>>220960

Shut up shill

>>220967
>Too late. The government is by the people and these people vote.

For Obama.

>demanded “serious mediation” from organizers
is that some censorship i smell?
>Safer Spaces working group, the internal security apparatus of Occupy Wall Street.
wow! they already have a secret police! way to go, guys!

>>220979

What's wrong with Obama?

Ron Paul 2012

>>220983

0/10

>>220928

I think you are the anti-OWS shill.

By spouting Marxist rhetoric and re-enforcing the media stereotype.

>>220997

Exactly

>>220974
Why would OWS not support that completely fair tax that redistributes wealth.

>>220955

>posts it thread saying he isn't going to argue
>blames unions and runs off

And you wonder why people call you cowards?

How much does the Koch brothers pay these guys for their posts?

ITT: Huurpers duurp and duurpers huurpp

I like trolling OWS supporters because mad liberals are 1000x funnier than the most enraged republican.

>>220967
>Yes militant feminists really shelter rapists. That's like their whole "thing".
shelters FROM being raped. because OWS has rapists on board.

>They're protesting the corporations influence
by giving them money & power. and then whining about it.

>You said that twice
i like rape

>The donations aren't large, they're small donations that add up.
bullshit

>these people vote.
best statement of the night. unless OWS lasts until election day, these people wont even bother.

i wish they would vote, though. i wish everyone voted.

>>221019
You're not fooling anyone, neocon.

why does ows let the black bloc fuck shit up?

>>221015
$.25 per post.

Soros offered $.20 if we posted pro-OWS stuff, but that extra .05 adds up.

>>220944
How many people were polled? Where is the raw data? Why is this from a slanted site?

Why are you parading this bullshit around as fact?

lol OWS thinking you're for the workers of the world.

>>221015

It doesn't matter to them, as long as they can constantly insult us with baseless arguments. Fucking slaves.

>>221030
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4aU4W5h1VcY

It's hilarious that OWS supporters have convinced themselves they are the paragon of righteousness and anyone who dares speak out against them is a payed off corporate agent.

LOOK LOOK! THEY'RE FIGHTING OVER US! BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAH THAT'S ADORABLE!

>>221050

We ARE for the workers of the world. You sure fucking aren't. You're just a fascist drone of the upper class.

Well let me remind you of something: THEY DON'T CARE ABOUT YOU. Stop defending them so blindly. Stop believing in the propaganda they throw at us to try and taint our message, and look at us with an open mind. What do you see? A true movement for people's voices to be heard? I thought so.

>>221076
>thinking this isn't true

These dissenters are such fucking obvious shills

Why the fuck else would they be against a genuine people's movement against corrupt plutocrats? Why else would they fight against a movement that REPRESENTS THEIR FREEDOM!?

>>221082
So why don't you, the 1% of the world, support a 70% tax rate on yourselves for welfare programs in countries whose people make a dollar a day?

>>221082
you seem so quick to forget how stupid people are.
the people at the bottom deserve it, myself included.
If you don't like it, kill yourself

>>221086
>REPRESENTS THEIR FREEDOM!?

Socialism never represents freedom. And anyway I though the movement was about bank bailouts not a popular revolt.

>>221089
>derp ure the 1% of teh world

Typical shill deflection tactic, not falling for it

You fuckers surely can do better than that.

Serious request:

People have been posting that "feministing" thing for a month now, bawwing about racism and oppression of white males, but I haven't seen this (the closest was, after 3 men spoke first, one of the discussion moderators asking if any women would like to give input). Does anyone have any videos of this "progressive stack" in action?

>>221096
>Socialism never represents freedom.

DING DING DING
sure is brainwashed capitalist agent in here

>>221099

I've seen several discussion posts and blogs over the past month saying they had it there.

It's the principle of the matter, anyways.

>>221098
But you are dick head, how about you address the argument instead of calling everyone a shill like some parroting teen who just learn his new protest word for the "man".

Why wouldn't you support that tax? Is it because in reality you aren't for the workers of the world and just want the wealth the be redistributed into your own pocket and no one else's.

>>221099
>>221099
>the closest was, after 3 men spoke first, one of the discussion moderators asking if any women would like to give input

>>221111

We have addressed your arguments, it's not our fault you people keep peddling out the same ad hominem ones against us.

Maybe Koch should start paying you guys more, you're doing a pretty shitty job of this. Way too obvious.

>>221103
lol oh you. Stop being a useful idiot.

I know U know, I'm a government plant/brainwashed capitalist/whatever.

>>221089
1. The world and a country are not the same thing
2. Nobody is demanding the top 1% pay gigantic taxes, how about you do some research before declaring bullshit like that
3. I know Fox News probably tells you that they're all welfare queens, that they're all art major libruls, but they aren't. Go to one of the big movements, and you'll see that it's just a lot of like-minded Americans who are frustrated with the corruption and flaws in the system of our country

oh my god, this thread, is so retarded

>>221111
Alright, I admit it. Those greedy fucks have money and I want it.

>>221108

Well, I'd like to see it in action. It's easy to see the example I posted, then go online and tell everyone they shat all over men's opinion and it's all a sexist hippie rapefest trying to establish dominance of women over men, so I want to see what "awful things" are happening under this progressive stack that people think is so unfair.

You can't just say it's "the principle of the matter" if the reality is that the principle is not the oppressive system you've been led to think it is.

>>221096
the bank bailouts were SOCIALIST

>>221124

inb4 they try and call us "socialists" or "the 1%" again

>>221130
>>221130

>>221129

I don't like leftist thought processes, and that article underscores all of it.

>OWS
>workers movement

>>221130
they were corporatist...businesses who had no right to have influence in government and offering little to the people of america, taking billions in taxes as their own
that isn't socialism in any sense of the term

http://occupypatriarchy.org/

Another example of the social justice OWS is striving for

>>221153

You realize this all started because the government forced the housing market to use low interest rates right

>>221154
>lol women's rights

>>221129
>You can't just say it's "the principle of the matter" if the reality is that the principle is not the oppressive system you've been led to think it is.
So, what? You're saying this is a false flag article written by covert corporate interests to discredit OWS?

>>221141
>I don't like leftist thought processes, and Fox News underscores all of it.

If you're going to hold this claim you read on a blog against OWS, I request direct, unfiltered evidence. This movement is in so many cities and there are so many videos and transcripts, just cite where it goes too far, and I'll be right with you in your disdain.

>>221161
Funny how they turned that profitable by selling(outsourcing? LOL!) the loans.

>>221129

There are a few videos

>OWS

Needs more molotovs.

>>221162
>lol woman's special privileges

>>221171
>The OWS is a million different things so it's immune to criticism form what one does

yawn
no different form "not all feminists are like that"

>>221171
This was an article that supported the progressive stack. It was not a condemnation of it.

>>221178

Such as?

>>221153
>businesses who had no right
"corporate personhood" is also a socialist idea. but that aside, the business management have the full right to the 1st ammendment, no?

>taking billions in taxes as their own
again, socialists created the tax loopholes/breaks as part of their "job creation" bills they always pass.

>>221193

He probably didn't even read it.

Why is OP so insecure about his friendship club? Is it that bad that you can't take any criticism now?

>>221161
that's not how it started at all...lower interest rates meant more lower-middle class workers and families could afford home loans and would thus be able to consistently return payments without being forced to declare bankruptcy, which is actually a pretty smart idea...but when bush came in and fucked everything up, the banks started reeling in the cash and soon people were going broke right and left
meanwhile, big business and the banking industry were basically using wallstreet to make money from nothing (derivatives, hedge funds), and using corporate influence to either lower or completely bypassing taxes and corporate lending costs
combined with gigantic inefficiencies and unsustainable demands in many industrial areas, a lot of companies either outsourced labour or flat out failed...this is where the first (bush sponsored) bailout came in...and then nothing changed
then we had the recession, you'd think people would learn, but no, corporations still rule the right wing and a fair amount of the left wing in government, and obama's just doing the best he can with a bad situation

>>221186
Or, not all politically oriented and/or defined people are quivering, pillow-biting homosexuals.

Actually, they are.

>>221195
I typed "progressive stack" into google video. This was the first result, you lazy fuck.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SCwhlZtHhWs

>>221218
>lower interest rates meant more lower-middle class workers and families could afford home loans and would thus be able to consistently return payments without being forced to declare bankruptcy, which is actually a pretty smart idea
>smart idea

Oh dear christ

>>221203
businesses who are initially owned and governed by the state are entitled to state funding, that's the point of public services, that is why the bailouts and socialism are incomparable
>socialists made loopholes, job creators jargon
o wait are you trying to cheat me again

>>221226
Oh fucking wow.

>>221231
explain to me why using a stable interest rate and lending to a broader spectrum of people is a bad idea
because it would've worked out fine if jackasses like you didn't insist on fucking it up

>>221226
I can't believe OWS actually does this.

>>221231
>Tons of people take out predictable home loans
>Pay them off at a stable rate with minimal interest
>Banks and lenders make reasonable profit, borrowers can pay off mortgages over their career and do not have to worry about increasing interest
>Everybody wins
>a hurp durp no thats a bad idea

>>221246
this is what tea party & socialists believe

>>221186
Actually my point was that there's a difference between reality and reports, and I wanted the reality.

>>221193
I just meant that a person on a blog can say whatever it wants, and can even take some small thing that did happen and make it seem like a major thing. Like Fox News can say "They're all uneducated hippies, stay away!" or this woman can say "Hey, fellow feminists, they have this really great progressive stack, get down there!" I was just asking for proof that it does happen in that bad form you imagined.

>>221226
That's some real swift google-fu, but that's exactly what was suggested in the theory of it. What I want to see is that this is carried out in a way where white males are directly put down.

>>221278
>tea party and socialists

>>221290
>What I want to see is that this is carried out in a way where white males are directly put down.

And you've come to 4chan of all places to argue this.

>>221226
>progressive stack

Support for OWS officially withdrawn. Where do I sign up to suppress these fucks?

>>221314
wear black and pretend to be an anarchist

>>221273

That's how it works in On-Paperland, but not in Realworldia. In Realworldia, lower interest rates equates to less money paid for the house which causes people to buy housing that is massively out of their income range that they can barely afford. This works for a while until there's a hiccup in a Realworldian's life and he's unable to work, either due to injury or market forces. Suddenly, there's a bunch of nonperforming loans on that banks' asset sheet!

>>221303

To argue what? Someone said something happened and and was getting all fussy about it, and I want to see it in action.

>>221327
So you support the progressive stack and would like to see it taken further?

All they have to do to discredit this movement is tell people about the "Progressive Stack".

>OWS just another leftist group that hates whites
Which is why I smile whenever I hear of police brutality at these things.

>>221341
People might need to step up and step back if those protesters get out of hand.

>>221340
>implying most liberals don't believe in white male privilege and would comply with progressive stacks

>>221333

No, I think what I've seen of it (no one being put down, just encouragement for people of different groups to comment if they haven't been in that discussion) is reasonable, but since everyone here seems to have seen this to be horrible, racist, and sexist, I want to know what's up and what position I should take.

The reckless trading of the financial industry was incentivized by Government. To do this, the Federal Reserve artificially lowered interest rates whilst State-sponsored entities Fannie and Freddie artificially expanded credit, in the process inflating a housing boom. Artificially low interest rates and credit expansion mask the real risks of investment and drive unsustainable bubbles of Mal-Investment that eventually require liquidation.

Credit expansion doesn't just convince entrepeneurs and consumers alike that they have more resources than what they do and stimulate recklessness, it also distorts prices and masks economic information so that risky and unsustainable business deals LOOK productive even to the most responsible entrepeneurs. The apparatus that was watching the whole thing didn't just contribute to the mess, it was one of the primary causes of it.

Essentially, the economic housing bubble was created by the state, and certain banks affiliated with and then later bailed out by the state happened to make some money by trading around the poisoned investments. Social democrats prefer to ignore the first part of this, instead focusing on what the banks did, which they can loosely associate with capitalism and use as justification for giving the state even more power than it already has, which will just create more bubbles, more crises, and more bankers making astronomical profits at the taxpayers' expense.

And it all comes down to the government, and to the Fed.

>>221364
>no one being put down, just encouragement for people of different groups

>>221364
I guess being asked to go to the back of the line because of the color of your skin couldn't be construed to be any worse than being asked to go to the back of the bus because of the color of your skin.

>>220394
>>220341

You seem to think this country is 1910s Russia, where the Tzars kept a strict ban on weapons throughout the country since they knew the serfs would rise up given the chance (which they did, at a great human cost because of that lack). You may be able to take faggot no-gun cities like New York, half of them are communists anyway, but try taking PA, NJ, and even upper-state NY. Every town will be a Stalingrad, every home a fortress. The guns we all keep to shoot nigger thieves are just as good at shooting communists, and we'll have the high ground.

>>221357

truly we live in sad times

>>221392

Tsk tsk, such flips won't work. You must be new to modern liberalism.

http://thefire.org/article/9869.html
http://www.thefire.org/pdfs/730a8163b35b360f8edd2b889c832ce9.pdf

>A RACIST: A racist is one who is both privileged and socialized on the basis of race by a white supremacist (racist) system. The term applies to all white people (i.e., people of European descent) living in the United States, regardless of class, gender, religion, culture or sexuality. By this definition, people of color cannot be racists, because as peoples within the system, they do not have the power to back up their prejudices, hostilities, or acts of discrimination.

>REVERSE RACISM: A term created and used by white people to deny their white privilege. Those in denial use the term reverse racism to refer to hostile behavior by people of color toward whites, and to affirmative action policies, which allegedly give ‘preferential treatment’ to people of color over whites. In the US, there is no such thing as ‘reverse racism.'

>A NON-RACIST: A non-term. The term was created by whites to deny responsibility for systemic racism, to maintain an aura of innocence in the face of racial oppression, and to shift responsibility for that oppression from whites to people of color (called “blaming the victim”). Responsibility for perpetuating and legitimizing a racist system rests both on those who actively maintain it, and on those who refuse to challenge it. Silence is consent.

>>221392

Videos of someone being sent to back of a line?

>>221432
See >>221226, where they explicitly say that people who want to talk will speak in order of race and gender, with white males going last.

>>221447

He doesn't see that as anything bad.

The real problem with this Occupy Wallstreet movement is that since TARP, banks have been the Government's bitch. Its like doing a mass protest against a modern Monarch. They maybe rich and party with powerful, but they don't have much power anymore.