Because they rightly should get the shit beat out of them for transgressing gender roles.

Have you been to high school lately?
Well I should hope not.

Anyway I did just visit my old one because their drama department needed a hand.
Cross-dressers everywhere.

>>2147422
>gender roles
>post-1960s
ISHYGDDT

>>2147422

Forgot my sage.

Because it's weird. It doesn't hurt anybody, though. They can do what they want by their own decisions.

>>2147439

Forgot it again. Captcha is messing with me today.

It's an abominable act and must be punished with exterminatus.

>>2147439
looks like you forgot it again

>>2147432
Full cross-dressing or just emo shit?
The dress code banned that sort of thing at my old school anyway.

Because it's a sign of mental illness.

>>2147422
>>2147443
>>2147449
>>2147503
ITT: butthurt statists that get their jimmies rustled when they actually exercise their right to do what they wish.

Nothing should be encouraged or discouraged.

>>2147503
But it is cute

>>2147518

Nonsense.

I believe in their right to express themselves.

I also believe in the right to get the shit beaten out of them too if they want to act like faggots.

Got any pics of youths (in the sort of 10-12 area) cross dressing for me to evaluate the discussion?

>>2147518
Sure, people should have a right to cross dress, but crossdressers should also expect in a truly free society to have a hellish time getting a job and to have people tell them they're human trash day in day out when they're paid any attention to at all.

>>2147548
>people have the right to express themselves
>because then I'll have an excuse to act like a Neanderthal
Stay classy, statist.

No matter how much spooge a guy shoots up your butt, you won't get pregnant. It does nothing to advance our eventual conquest of the universe.

The idea that encouraging this behavior is somehow enlightened or a sign of how much we have progressed as a society sickens me. This shit is on the level of dogs humping each other to assert dominance.

The solution isn't to allow these faggots to dress as they wish, but to figure out exactly what is causing this problem and fix it. Perhaps it is exposure to pseudo-estrogen such as BPa plastics and soy products. Perhaps it is the undermining of the male gender role by liberals. I think it is most likely a combination of the two.

>>2147518
>right to do what they wish
>mental illness

See where you're going wrong?

>>2147536

That just looks weird and plastic

>>2147584
>Invoking mental illness

You just lost the debate. Mental illness is no more than a synonym for thoughts or behaviours society doesn't accept. Mental illness does not objectively exist.

>>2147582
It's probably a genetic defect. We just need to identify and fix the faulty genes and we'll no longer have to suffer faggots.

>>2147572
I know a handful of crosscressing types. They know better than to get dolled up when they know it will hurt them; mostly, they do it in private, except for one guy I know that could actually pass for a woman if he really wanted.

>>2147584
Pesudoscience is funny.
>>2147582
Some people are just weirdos. Let them act like girls if it doesn't impede their capacity to contribute to society; people have done stupid shit since the end of time.

>>2147584
I do not think you understand the definition of mental illness.

>>2147608
Well, yes, it pretty much goes without saying that as long as you aren't murdering or raping someone I couldn't care less what you do behind closed doors.

>>2147603
You are fucking kidding right? You are saying people who see constant hallucinations, hear voices telling them to kill people or who completely lack empathy/normal emotions are not mentally ill? That's like saying someone with a virus or a missing limb is fine because illness/injury does not objectively exist.

>>2147603
Thoughts or behaviors society doesn't accept DO objectively exist. But no, actually it's "a psychological pattern, potentially reflected in behavior, that is generally associated with distress or disability, and which is not considered part of normal development of a person's culture"

I've been wishing I was girl since 5, cross-dressing since 13 and just recently had the balls (oh, the irony) to go out in public as a woman. It felt wonderful, just kinda kept to my self and didn't speak. Kept it up pretty well, even had one compliment from a random guy walking past me. It felt so amazing, I now I really want a guy inside me. Going to finally start a hormone regimen, life is good.

>>2147665
He's obviously never met one. I knew a homeless paranoid schizo who thought people were doing magic on him, was weird as fuck.

it is on 4chan.

along with racism, pedophilia, bestiality and animu.

>>2147564

>>2147603

Yup, retarded people don't exist. It's all just an elaborate act!

>>2147665
Correct I am saying that people who see hallucinations, hear voices, or lack certain emotions are not mentally ill. In fact, all of those things have been explained perfectly well by Psychology as within the realm of normal human functioning. There is no need at all to invoke an invisible, subjective, unmeasurable illness, at least not until evidence or argument comes along.

And no, pointing at weird people is not an argument.

Someone with a virus does have an illness. You have mountains of evidence for the virus. I don't see how that effects anything.

>>2147684
I have met many. Pointing at weird people is not an argument that they are ill.

>>2147700
? Many people exist with different personalities and different capabilities, and things like Downs Syndrome absolutely exist.

>>2147674
We all know that feel.

>>2147698
interesting, interesting. I'm starting to see the case for promoting cross dressing, but I'm going to need more pictures.

>>2147713
Someone who wants to kill people because he lacks empathy and voices in his head is NOT functioning normally. Emotions and empathy is what is normal and functional, any deviation from that is by definition unusual.

>>2147732
You should have seen the harm it did him, he was in his 40's and homeless with one leg all chewed up by a dog. I'd let him use the restroom to have a wash and sometimes he'd come storming out thinking someone nearby was using magic on him.

>>2147760

>>2147766
Is it normal?
Nope
Is it unusual?
Yep

But still, is this sufficient reason to invoke the presence of illness?
Not at all.

>>2147767
Yes. It can be very distressing. Those are real, genuine, problems he was experiencing though. Not a mental illness.

>>2147790
yeah just continue dumping, this is amazing.

>>2147815
Hey man, why don't you go take the field by storm. Tell the people who devote their lives to trying to help these people with their ILLNESSES and who study it for YEARS how you're so sorry but they're wrong, the mentally ill should just be left on their own because well that's the way they are hur hur.

>>2147857
You're a gay pedo, or something?

>>2147851
Problems all stemming from one thing, it was quite clear.

>>2147518
Deal with it. The state is God.

>>2147873
Depends which group you're talking about. With Psychologists, I already am one, though hardly taking the field by storm, as the non-existence of mental illness is simply the majority opinion among modern British Psychologists. I don't think people who are suffering should be left on their own. They should be worked with, and a number of Psychological methods have good results with that.

If you mean Psychiatrists, I do not think they help anyone at all particularly. Nor is Psychiatry a study of this issue. Psychiatry is based on the assumption that mental illness exists, and that assumption is never really challenged or tested.

>>2147885
I'm not a pedo I just appreciate beauty

This is a trap,

Asian boys make the best traps

<3

>>2147915

So that's what you witch doctors are saying these days? Finally found the ultimate answer to the inability to reliably diagnose mental illness (aka the Rosenhan experiment). Mental illness doesn't exist!

Go help torture more Iraqis. You're not even doctors, you're just greedy jews.

I don't know about you guys, but I'd sure love to cum in a little boy's ass.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jpMyAD8sy7I

>implying that this is not hot

Oh god are we being raided? I hope so because I don't ever want to see threads like this on /pol/.

GTFO you dirty fucking paki cunts

>>2147954

The fuck did I just read.

Lord knows why you appear to use Rosenhan against me. Rosenhan supports me! That was a pro-Psychology anti-Psychiatry field experiment.

And yes, Psychology has strong Jewish roots. This doesn't suddenly rob it of scientific value.

>>2147979
not relevant but you have fuckgood taste
MOAR

>>2147994

traps yes, pedo shit not so much

>>2148005

>>2147999

>psychology
>scientific

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>>2148013
No no chicks with dicks or men with tits. NO GTFO

To >>>/hm/ with you.

>>2148021
>"I have no idea what Psychology is"

Did you know we have labs? and do controlled experiments? and do brain scans? and have to learn biology?

>>2147994
Nope.
I've been on /pol/ since it was created and I stated this thread.

>>2147979
Oh look, a fellow member of red hair/blue eyes master race.

>>2148028

if i can tell what gender you are by looking, you aren't worth my time

>>2148016
keep going

>>2148040
>we have labs?

A room full of people traumatized by too much therapy is the shittiest lab ever outside of a barn.

>>2148071
....I have no idea at all what you're referring to. Confirmed for knowing absolutely nothing about Psychology.

It is a science. Deal with it.

>>2148040
>Standford experiments
This is proof alone that not only do you psychologist have no moral foundation, but are innately stupid. Any sociologist could have told you how that experiment would have turned out before you even did it.

/pol/ is the fucking worst when it comes to this topic. I have never seen such a concentrated group of narrow-minded retards in my life.

>How dare they transgress gender roles!
Yeah because wearing CLOTHING of the other gender automatically means you are going to act like that gender. I sure hope you don't accidentally walk into the women's washroom or else you will start shitting flowers and demanding equal pay (god forbid)

>It's a mental disorder
It's a mental disorder to wish harm on someone else because they are doing something that you wouldn't feel comfortable doing. You know that putting your full belief and lifestyle following a religious text with arbitrary and contradictory rules and guidelines isn't considered a mental disorder? And that shit justifies immoral behavior all around the world! God forbid a man wears a dress!

>Genetic defect
It's fucking preference. I guess it's a genetic defect that you prefer some foods over others and that you actually dislike some food and would prefer nothing to that food.


You people are the worst.

>>2148089
The Stanford prison experiments have received heavy criticism from within Psychology. It's outrageous to hold them up as a representative example.

Something like Asch would be.

>>2148016
I didn't say you could stop

>mental disorder
>because they want to wear different clothes
what

Why isn't cross-dressing encouraged

Homophobia

Male privilege and the expectation for others to enforce male privilege by assaulting people who are not physically harming others

Mainly because a lot of guys make shitty women.

I know I would. Just don't have the hips for it at all.

>>2148178

You know men can actually look good in a dress without actually trying to look like a woman, right?

Tell me you think you wouldnt look good in this get up.

>>2148084
>I have no idea at all what you're referring to.

Your test subjects. They have all already been influenced by therapists from prior decades. Assuming you have a clean, unbiased sample is like assuming cowshit is just dirt.

>>2148178
Yeah but the ones that CAN pull it off look hotter than actual women

piic related

>>2148214
The vast majority of participants in Psychological experiments have no history of seeing therapists or the like. To use someone with relevant medical history would raise ethical issues.

>>2148236
>have no history of seeing therapists

Their parents don't? And they suddenly do not have therapy because that is what they tell you for that $200?

You have no-idea what a "clean sample" is, you lazy fuck.

>>2148236
You're an idiot.

Using someone in a psych experiment with psych background has no ethical issues: it means your results are fucking worthless.

The point of any experiment is to be able to generalize the data to a given population. Psych experiments usually look for normal function, so choosing abnormal subjects is like trying to figure out how birds fly by studying an ostrich.

The only time you use people with psychiatric illness history is when you're either studying those diseases or you're pretty sure it won't matter and was a mild illness (depression is so common anymore that lots of people have had at least one diagnosed episode so I'd be surprised if that bothers anyone anymore, but you still have to take it into account).

>>2148206

I wouldn't.

I wear long pants because my legs are kinda shitty, too. ....damnit, stop making me wish I had better legs!

Fuck, that's half the reason I wish I could pass as a girl sometimes....the clothing. Oh, it sounds stupid, but.....

>>2148264
You said: "a room full of people traumatised by too much therapy"

You've now back pedalled into "you don't check family history."

This is weak, weak debating, dude.

>>2148320
no one gives a shit about your crappy pictures

>>2148294
>implying reinforcing an argument is backpedaling
nope.jpg

>>2148350
"you don't check family history"
is a mile from
"a room full of people traumatised by too much therapy"

>>2148350
Well, you're just stupid!

Test subjects can lie, and that invalidates NOTHING, YOU HEAR ME?

NOTHING!!!

>>2148397
... If the veracity of a participants answers was of such substantive import, we could simply request for the patient to allow medical records to be provided.

>>2148427
>>2148416
keep on spamming this unfunny shit and you'll get reported

>>2148390
>is a mile from
Telling the truth about their history for -your- "lab", because no-one EVER lies about seeing therapists, right?

NO-ONE EVER LIES ABOUT BEING CRAZY, RIGHT?

/pol/nography

>>2148446
If the participants lied they could potentially be liable. If we considered the truth about their history to be massively important for the study, then we could agree for their doctor to send medical records.

The idea that participants is traumatised by years of therapy is just plain wrong though. In most cases, they will be students wanting money on the side.

>>2148421
>request for the ["test subject", not patient, you biased retard] to allow medical records to be provided.

When has that EVER happened?

Name -ONE- -FUCKING- -STUDY- that wasn't looking at ONE specific illness where that was done and verified.

>>2147403
because the benefit of encouragement only exists when there is a clear right and wrong.

Clearly you aren't implying that all people who aren't cross dressers are "wrong"

Cross dressing, or not, isn't an issue of "right and wrong" but rather lifestyle. Encouraging kids to crossdress, even if you think it will help, will probably do more harm than good.

No one wants to feel left out but encouraging a behavior, even if the real intent is to gain acceptance, is a really bad path to go down. why?

1) You should, as has been the agreement of most people since the inner directive movements, encourage people to discover and create their lives for themselves. Encoraging anything other than base-level morality (don't steal/lie/cheat) will only lead to people being pushed into a lifestyle without any understanding of what it is or why. There is a degree of personal sovernty which you must respect, even in the young, in order to keep them in control of their destany. Even though many kids would benefit from more acceptance, encouraging acceptance, however, can lead to individuals subconsciously being pushed into something they don't want. In the end, you've accomplished nothing but put different kids in the realm of sexual confusion.

2) Memes aren't just 4chan/reddit concepts. They are real things. Lifestyles themselves are just large collections of memes attacked to a specific condition of existence. I believe that people need to find out what they are themselves before we start putting ideas into their heads. While you may not see this as a relevant concern, as it may, in your mind, seem to justify past acts of control, there still is the individual that must come first. Let the individual decide how they are going to live their life and don't coerce.

>>2148518

3) As it relates to #2, you are doing a big disservice to youths by promoting a SPECIFIC sexual meme in order to protect those who already subscribe to it. Kids will still be confused, and maybe more so, when you start encouraging them to do this and not any of the hundred thousand other sexual memes.


Clearly you don't care about the individual. If you did, you'd let him/her live their life as they see fit.

Oh, yeah, before you claim that we need to encorage such things to protect the innocent: telling kids that its ok to crossdress for sexual reasons won't save them from peer criticisms/harassment.
why crossdressing? Why not encourage Nudism (far more natural) or abstinence (can't say that), or anal sex, or any other form of sexual expression? Not all homosexuals (since that's obviously the only group you seem to care about) are alike. Just because of the popularization of specific sexual memes brings them to the forefront of sexual discussions doesn't mean that encouraging such memes is better for anyone.


You don't care though. You'd take away all my freedoms in the name of whatever bullshit political meme you can use to pry away our liberties. All you really care about is using a specific group of citizens to leverage power from the rest. If you cared about kids who cross dress, you'd encourage accpetance, not the act itself


tl;dr
Because that would be a bad idea

>>2148488
>they could potentially be liable

For $200 for a homeless man or hungry college student? That is fucking -HILARIOUS-.

>>2148507
It's rarely considered important.

>>2148529
I'm sure the last thing a student wants while trying to get his degree is legal proceedings.

>>2148535
>rarely important
Neither is smoking in a cancer study by Phillip Morris.

>>2148556
come on son

>>2148547
>implying the student cares when 10 pizzas are on the line.

You are the dumbest science ever. You can't even take normal human dishonesty into account.

>>2148566


>ADHD discovered

>suddenly, everyone needs Ritalin

Come at me, bro.

>>2147994
Calm down Prime Minister. They're just like the gays – and you're cool with the gays now, right?

>muh gay marriage
>No aid money for African shitholes that don't protect gay rights
Yep, sounds like you are.

I think we found the chink in ANTI-RACIST guy's armor

namely that he fucking hates homos

now here is what I am gonna need you to do.

We are gonna need a crack team of perverts, armed with the latest technology, to locate any and all gay pornography in which black men crossdress or are in a submissive role.

We are going to react swiftly to disperse content as soon as he makes his appearance.

God speed and God bless America.

>>2148598
we do take dishonesty into account, it's just hardly ever relevant. I actually cannot see any way it would be relevant in any of the key studies I've worked on.

>>2148627
That's Psychiatry. Most Psychologists, myself included, do not believe in ADHD.

>>2148125
It's a "mental disorder" if we assume the "that's not what most people do" definition of abnormality. Alas, the definition of abnormality is a huge area of debate in psychology even today. It's very difficult to approach this objectively and universally.

However, something being a mental disorder – if that is what gender dysmorphia is – doesn't mean it is inherently "bad", or should legitimise mistreatment of those with it.

Anyway, even those who support the mental illness definition of gender dysmorphia agree that the best treatment for sufferers is to let them cross-dress, or even seek gender re-assignment surgery.

>>2148677
>that feel when you grew up during the ADHD craze when everyone and their mother was diagnosed with it and you were forced to take pills that made you all cracked out and quiet in class and you had to keep taking them because of "He knows what he is talking about, Anon, after all, he is a doctor."

Some people are just meant to be of the opposite sex.

Pic related. Superior no hormones crossdresser is superior.

>>2148706
Indeed, I find that outrageous, though it's more a problem in the states than over here.

because youre mentally ill and should die

Sorry, guys. I had to leave for a while. Is there anybody who wants to see more sexy little boys?

stop reposting these stupid threads over and over OP

>>2148729
yes but your older ones were better than that new one. I like looks like this, and ginger if possible.

>>2148674
>honesty

>it's just hardly ever relevant.

>studies the human mind and psyche

>dishonest is not relevant to people...

This is why you are not a science. It's like saying "We didn't observe successful masculine behavior as part of the study, because men are not relevant in a violent behavior study. Neuroscience is a science, you are a fucking tarot-card reader that speaks some Latin.

>>2148752
That one you posted seems way younger than mine.

>>2148754
Take for instance the Asch conformity studies. He showed people pictures of lines, and asked them to estimate which line was the same length as the lines pictured. This test found less than 1% error. It was repeated with stooges answering prior, and giving the wrong answer. Error now increased to 35%. Unanimity was broken among the stooges and error rate dropped again.

All of the participants would have been asked if they had medical history with Psychology/Psychiatry and all would have said no.

How is the veracity of their answer to that question relevant in even the slightest way?


Also Psychologists are required to learn neuroscience. Fail.

>>2148752
>>2148729

>>2148805
What's wrong with that? You gay or something?

The biological answer- Encouraging a non-feasibly reproductive lifestyle on ones offspring decreases fitness of said offspring- potentially to zero (no children produced by a 100% gay individual) and therefore will be naturally selected against.

>>2148761
yeah maybe, just giving the type I like. Keep posting. That one you just did is lovely.

>>2148816
But cross-dressing is practised by mostly heterosexual individuals.

>>2148799
>Also Psychologists are required to learn neuroscience.

Since when? I better see some citations here. Their education would take 20 years to be "functional", and 30 years to be "adequate".

>>2148831

>>2148840
I learned neuroscience even at A-level (age 17/18) and it makes a big part of uni courses too. I can give most examples of cortical localisation, neurotransmitters, neuron function, hormone function, etc.

It studies something very different from most Psychology though, and it will be centuries before neuroscience even achieves the basics of Psychology, if it ever manages it at all. For example, a lot of work in neuroscience has been done on memory. We've identified short term acoustic store within Wernicke's area. Great. Psychology had been referring to that as the phonological loop for years prior. Psychology has also found that it works with the visual-spatial scratchpad to give an overall average capacity of seven items, and a trace length of 18 seconds.

When will neuroscience be advanced enough to confirm that extra information? Perhaps never. This is why we need Psychology. It makes no sense to wait for neuroscience to slowly work up to the answers, just as it would make no sense to abolish Biology and wait for chemistry to give us the results.

>>2148873
like

I won't fuck cross-dressers unless they grow some tits and shave their balls

tranny > cd

>>2148930
>I can give most examples of cortical localisation, neurotransmitters, neuron function, hormone function, etc.

Learning HOW an engine works is great. That isn't the same as blueprinting an engine though, and that is the difference between "functional" and "adequate". You studied an -outline- of neuroscience, not neuroscience.

>>2148930
>it will be years before neuroscience even achieves the basics of Psychology,

FTFY

>>2148987
>you study an outline of neuroscience, not neuroscience
no true scotsman ahoy. What specifically do you think I should know from neuroscience but do not study?

And you haven't FTFM, you've left my quote exactly the same.

>>2148987
>>2149017
oh wait you changed centuries into years.

I doubt it. Neuroscience has come a long long way and isn't looking anything like getting the sort of information we have from Psychology. Again, this is like waiting for chemistry to explain biology, or physics to explain chemistry.

It could theoretically happen, eventually, but it's not going to. Not in our lifetimes.

I've yet to see a convincing trap in my 4 years on 4chan.

>>2149017
>nts AHOY

Because EVERYONE that studied a internal combustion engine in high school can blueprint one.

So now engineers can laugh at you too.

>>2149041
Neuroscience can make "what you think" appear on a computer screen.

You can't even accept dishonesty in a test subject.

>>2149064
You're drawing a rather weird analogy here. I can actually blueprint the brain pretty good. I can give the functions of each portion, and the chemicals involved.

It's no true scotsman when you suggest the neuroscience I've learned isn't "true" neuroscience.

What exactly is it I should be learning?

It seems very obvious you are simply erecting nonsensical objections over something you have zero knowledge about.

>>2149089
>neuroscience can make what you think appear on a computer screen
No it can't

>you can't even accept dishonesty in a test subject
yes I can

two fails in two sentences, nice.

>>2149053

>>2147915
Whether or not you are a psychologist,
Why don't you have some therapy to try to figure out why you are so angry/upset
That you refuse to look at the biological and neuroscientific evidence for bipolar and schizophrenia.

Majority of British psychologists acknowledge schizophrenia is indeed a biological "illness" as is bipolar and some others.

On the above point you just fucking lied.

>>2149090
The analogy is the difference between "functional" and "adequate".

For example: "Your understanding of neuroscience is so non-functional, I need to resort to engineering examples to illustrate them to you."

>>2149113
Nope.
>more makeup than even girls wear
>dat jaw
>dat angle shot
>dem eyebrows

>>2149113
One up close angle shot yay.

>>2149135
lord knows what your point is here. You're also very clearly dodging the question of "what neuroscience should I be learning then?" which confirms that you don't really have a clue.

>>2149124
Not angry or upset. Things are going the way of scepticism, and I'm very optimistic about it to be honest.

And I have looked at the supposed evidence for bipolar and schizophrenia. I do not find it convincing in the slightest.

And no, the majority do not believe in mental illness in the objective sense. All the ones I've worked with disbelieve, and all the big public figures, such as Richard Bentall, talk quite openly about their disbelief.

>>2149104
>No it can't
GOT YOU, ASSHOLE!

Back in 10 min. with the article for your worthless tarot-card reading ass.

>>2149187
Cannot wait to see what this will be. fMRI?

>>2149149
>"what neuroscience should I be learning then?"

Not the one that tells you only how things work without giving you the ability to operate and interact.

>>2149224
what exactly does that cryptic statement mean?

>>2149194
http://www.cnet.com.au/brain-imaging-technology-puts-your-thoughts-on-screen-339323046.htm

You did not do this.

>>2149194
>fMRI?

Then why did you say: "No it can't"

>>2149263
>>2149281
HAHAHA, bingo. fMRI is not making what you think appear on a computer screen. It takes colossal ignorance to suggest that.

>>2147518

I like how you say "statists" when the real opposition trans or crossdressers receive is from private employers.

Stop pretending you give a shit.

>>2149089
Understanding how the brain works to form such complex thoughts is simply not possible with current technology. We can kind of see inputs from EEG/MEG/FMRI/DTI/DSI and output in a persons behavior, but there are so many variables that go into it that it is almost impossible to find a decent relationship between them. Even with simple tasks, slight variations in the task can produce large variation in the way the brain appears to process it.
>>2149263
While an impressive statistics trick, that is in no way understanding or reproducing how the brain works.


As for the actual topic, I enjoy a nice frill dress, but I still see actually wanting to be another gender as a disorder. It is unattainable and will only lead to disappointment and isolation from normal society. It would be best if people were to just become more comfortable their own sex. Its not like being a certain gender has to stop you from doing things or acting a certain way.

>>2149320
>Implying you can do BETTER than a neuroscience fMRI

You snub fMRI, when it can do more than you can? What have you cured lately? What was the last thing you helped a mind express without words?

You ARE NOT superior to fMRI, thug.

>>2149415
>seems to think Psychologists don't use fMRI

every time you post, there's even more fail...

... has this thread seriously turned into a debate over whether or not schizophrenia exists?

This is the fucking problem. You need to accept at some point there is some degree of objective reality as defined by people who's job it is to do so. So many people have no clue how the scientific method, per review etc. actually works and why we take certain things as fact. Of course nothing can ever be proven 100% beyond doubt but it can still be proven true enough to become a working fact.

Saying climate research, or neurological research isn't "good enough" for you is something that warrants some astounding evidence to back it up.

I really don't like that we'd moved into some kind of relativist age now, ironically pushed more by the more conservative parts of society than progressive as it gives them a way to keep their beliefs in the modern age without being seen as insane.

Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but not their own facts. We live in the age of the empowered idiot.

>>2149415
fMRI has bad temporal resolution. Get back to me when you have something with the temporal resolution of EEG combined with the spacial resolution of fMRI. Until then, we can just make guesses and try to look for correlations. Finding actual causes and understanding the function of the brain is a long way away.

>>2149448
The thing that warrants astounding evidence to back it up is the claim that there is invisible, subjective, unmeasurable illnesses.

And no, at no point do we have to accept things without evidence simply because men with qualifications say so. I can find a large number of men with qualifications who say otherwise. Appeals to authority like that get us nowhere.

>>2149363
>As for the actual topic, I enjoy a nice frill dress, but I still see actually wanting to be another gender as a disorder. It is unattainable and will only lead to disappointment and isolation from normal society. It would be best if people were to just become more comfortable their own sex. Its not like being a certain gender has to stop you from doing things or acting a certain way.

This is just an ignorant viewpoint, though. It's not about what you can and can't do, it's about feeling comfortable in your own skin.

Many transsexuals pass just fine, are treated as their gender, etc. etc. and you'd never know otherwise. From a practical standing point, or any rational standing point other than HURR WELL YOUR GENES SAY OTHERWISE, that person has indeed transitioned from one gender to another. The only reason to say otherwise is to be an asshole(one that's ignorant of the variety of intersex conditions that can occur with wonky Chromosomes) and I'm unsure I've ever seen someone insist on it who hasn't been an honest to goodness sociopath who doesn't care about the well being of someone in that situation in the slightest.

If you out a trans person in public, you open them to violence and open yourself to rejection.

But traps are cute.

>>2149489

Again, sorry, you have no place in these arguments whatsoever. It's not about an "appeal to authority" and claiming it as such, as I said, shows a vast ignorance of the scientific method. Not to mention you are almost always less educated than an expert in their field. You say "Just because they have shiny white coats" or whatever nonsense, but for what reason should we attribute any value to your viewpoint whatsoever? There are far too many keyboard warriors who need to shut the fuck up.

We should not empower people like you.

>>2149440
>seems to think you are worth anything without tools that are superior to your personal efforts

No, you are not. If I had sword as awesome as a fMRI is compared to your education, I could cut you in half last week through the internet.

>mfw I'm gay and find cross dressing disgusting.

why can't you just like guys who look like guys and girls who look like girls?

>>2149523
Because traps are cute!

>>2149517
>people who disagree with me have no place in these arguments

cute. Why should you attribute value to my viewpoint? Well, I have a masters in Psychology, and will have my doctorate soon enough, and will be writing a book on the topic shortly after. Of course, people can lie online, so if you want an example of someone who shares almost all my views, and has undisputed qualifications, see Richard Bentall, head of Psychology at Swansea, who has written and spoken extensively about the non-existence of mental illness.

Now are you willing to drop this silly appeals-to-authority nonsense and give any actual evidence or arguments for your position? Or do you have none to give?

>>2149554
youre too cute :3

4chan seems to have messed me up. I find traps incredibly hot. And i think that's bad.

I also can't imagine the stupidity it takes to warrant someone dressing in the opposite gender's clothes "mentally ill". There is no point molly coddling people who really believe that, that they somehow have a valid opinion. They don't.

Gendered dress is an artificial construct. While girls clothes tend to look better on girls vice versa, there is absolutely no reason whatsoever why people can't either be an exception or ignore this completely.

The idea that someone is mentally ill because they don't conform is an extreme anti-individualistic sentiment. Someone is not mentally ill purely because they may put on some clothes. And laughably, I can guarantee you that some of the board's "Libertarians" are among the people saying that.

>>2149554

-YOU- came to "/pol/ - Politically Incorrect".

Why are you here again? Needed to polish something, faggot?

>>2149593
Because I enjoy /pol/
Has some interesting discussions sometimes, and can be very funny other times.

>>2149593
He was banned from /sci/ because of his faggotry.

>>2149554
>non-existence of mental illness.

Can you not see how absolutely insane this is? How does it even work? People with schizophrenia are faking it?

Look. There are two reasons why people don't believe in mental illness - extreme vested socially conservative interests - even when facts prove it wrong, you can't let go of the old model of how the mind and personal responsibility works, or being gullible or stupid enough to be fooled by the above.

When you have an extreme, nonsensical position it's going to be your job to convince people best you can and as far as I can see if anything you've just been acting as arrogantly as you claim people do towards you. This is ALWAYS the case though, people like you act as if they're somehow Enlightened in such an obnoxious manner purely because you go against the norm of medical science.

You're just another stupid conspiracy theorist as far as the rest of us are concerned.

>>2149554
>give any actual evidence or arguments

You came to /pol/.

Seriously, you are expecting something from us that is unnatural for the media, subjects and people involved.

You are a giant flaming faggot, and I don't mean that you are normal or expressive homosexual.

>>2149623
>How does it even work? People with schizophrenia are faking it?

Not at all. Some people are musical, others are not. Neither of these are a mental illness. It's just variation in normal human functioning. Nobody's faking anything, and in fact it's much more plausibly explained without having to introduce supposed mental illnesses.

You then go into the genetic fallacy, that if you explain why someone believes something you can show it is wrong.
You're also spectacularly wrong on your history. The critical Psychiatry movement, if it has ties to any politics whatsoever, it is liberalism (Foucault, Laing, etc.) or libertarianism (Szasz, Breggin, etc.) it certainly isn't social conservatism. On the contrary, social conservatism is what props up mental illness, oppressing gays by making homosexuality an illness, and oppressing blacks by making drapetomania an illness.

Still, this has no bearing at all on whether or not mental illness actually exists. For that we need evidence or argument, and you have given none.

You've simply gone into ad hominem, accusing me of arrogance and stupidity and being a conspiracy theorist.

Such a torrent of fallacies says nothing about me whatsoever. On the contrary, it exposes the fact that you have no legitimate argument, and thus it is clear that, in this debate at least, the rational position is being proposed by the anti-psychiatrist, and the emotional one given by his opponent.

>>2149448
>neurological research isn't "good enough"

Neuroscientists also say that neurological research isn't good enough. Part of good science is understanding what you don't know. Right now, we can not realistically claim to understand quantitatively the cause and mechanics behind such a complex issue.

>>2149491
And then they try to start a relationship and find out that most people will reject them or are simply looking to satisfy a fetish. I sympathies with them and wish them the best, but I just don't see any happy endings. It is one of those odd interests I have that I kind of enjoy, but logically know I would be better without.

>>2149709
youmustbenewhere.gif

/pol/ frequently has mature discussions. Stay away from the joos/ni­ggers/IT'S HAPPENING threads and you'll find one soon enough.

>>2149709
>that you are *a normal or

Woops, my bad.

>>2149735
>/pol/ frequently has mature discussions

...says the Jewtarded Jew.

>>2149729
>I sympathies

-sigh-

>>2149769
Oy vey, I thought this goy would never realise!

oh yea, such a sexy slut

Let this thread die... I'm sick of seeing this faggot shit.

>>2149787
Yes, I can't spell. I even tried looking it up since spell check seemed off, but apparently it is use incorrectly enough that it came up as being correct on google too.

>>2149797
if dats a trap he's goooood
post moar

I would like a trap to ride my nose

>>2149795
That psychology is bullshit and not science? That's why it gets laughed at on /sci/.

Corrupt and politically motivated studies, to promote corrupt and politically motivated agendas.

Actually, I do feel like an idiot, but only because I took that Anon seriously.

>>2149886
you really do have no idea what Psychology is. It's mind-blowing. Are you the guy who though fMRI was reading people's minds?

>>2149901
>what Psychology is.

A political tool, much like fMRI is apparently a psychological tool instead of a neurological tool.

>>2149932
fMRI is just a type of brain scan, used both by neurologists and psychologists. Psychology certainly isn't a political tool. I don't see how that even works.

Not to mention the fact that Psychology was initially founded by people like Freud and Jung specifically because they had been rejected by the political force of state Psychiatry. Psychology began life as something which subverted politics. To call it a political tool is laughable.

this thread again? jesus christ

>>2149976
>Psychology certainly isn't a political tool.

>Homosexuality is a disease.

wut

>>2149993
nice sage

>>2149998
That's Psychiatry. Psychology does not diagnose.

>>2150010
>Psychology does not diagnose.

Then it technically can't have patients, nor should it. It does, but that doesn't mean it should.

Why does /pol/ hate me for being myself?

>>2150048
Actually most Psychologists prefer the term "client" or "service user" to patient. Even with patient, I don't see why we shouldn't, simply because we do not believe in mental illness?

If a friend comes to you with a problem, you can help them out. You don't need, at any stage, to take their problem as indication of an illness.

Psychologists use methods available that have experimental success to do just this; help people to overcome problems without ever needing to suppose they are ill.

>>2150075
Why does society hate Breivik for being himself?

>>2150075
Because you are a faggot studying a fake science with as much legitimacy as homeopathy without the "do no harm" and compassion.

>>2150109
>jimmies well and truly rustled
that wasn't me

>>2150109
I'm not gay and I don't study anything.
>>2150100
Why are you comparing me wearing a dress to a terrorist?

>>2150128
You're right, it's a bit unfair to him.

>>2150123
Oh, good. I was momentarily worried that I wasn't justified in my feelings by how much your "science" is motivated by politics and opinion.

>>2150175
You aren't, and in fact you've been destroyed on that above. All the evidence goes against it, and none supports it.

>>2150181
>destroyed
That's like saying Germany destroyed the Jews. Oi-veh! Those poor 6 million, <coff,coff> I mean 4 million,.. what's that? 2 million... the 1.1 million?

I hate people that lie and manipulate the facts of the holocaust... ...like Jews.

They still teach the "6 million" in public schools.

>>2150242
nobody cares

How do I get into cross-dressing.
Are there any tutorials?

>>2150347
dress like a bitch dresses. All there is to it.

>>2150347
Step 1: Put on a dress
Step 2: Call anyone who looks at you funny a bigot
Step 3: Post on the internet about how someone looked at you funny and say they deserve death

>>2150304
Jew madach, but Jew right.

Nobody cares... ...except Jews.

>>2150357
>>2150371
Are you two closet cases or something?

>>2150128
Crossdressing involve consenting people doing something that harms no one.
What Anders did harmed many and was Terrorism.

Are you that fucking stupid that you cannot tell the difference?

Not everyone shares your fetish.

I'm a crossdresser.

Deal with it /pol/.

>>2149722
>Not at all. Some people are musical, others are not. Neither of these are a mental illness. It's just variation in normal human functioning. Nobody's faking anything, and in fact it's much more plausibly explained without having to introduce supposed mental illnesses.

This is just getting stupid over definitions. Are genetic defects that cause severe illness, things like cystic fibrosis just variations on how the body works?

What do you propose we do differently based on this distinction?

Have you ever worked with people with mental illness like schizophrenia in their actual every day lives? I have.