>>2061686

Hey all you Christian haters and people who say there is no double standard towards Christians... How do you stand by this?

>>2061686
you don't watch mob stuff or anything? There's always at least one hasidic Jew who rules a jewelry store and is greedy as fuck.

Dude, what are you so upset about? They said they were "Good" right there in the title of the show.

The Reptilians control Hollywood!
The HAARP program is forcing me to watch tv!
The world is 5000 years old!
Life begins at contraception!

>>2061736

>Bitches
>A show used to stereotype Christians in the most negative manner possible
>Christians don't destroy or kill, they also don't run liberal Hollywood so we have to sit here and take it
>The people doing this don't even see the double standard or why it's wrong

Sigh

Mr Thompson said: ‘Without question, “I complain in the strongest possible terms”, is different from, “I complain in the strongest possible terms and I am loading my AK47 as I write”. This definitely raises the stakes.’

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2106953/Christianity-gets-sensitive-treatment-religions-admi
ts-BBC-chief.html?ITO=1490

The moral of this story? Having a history of violence works. The Christians would gain more respect from the BBC if they were to kill a few people who said nasty things about jesus.

>>2061750

Is that the inane plot of this show?

It's just another attack against western civilization in a long line of many.

Liberals... Justify this shit being consistent in your values.

You hate Christians, but how is this right?

did i miss something?

>>2061686
Those would all be excellent shows OP.

The reason they don't get made is they play into stereotypes rather than subverting them.

>>2061816

Everyone know it's ok to attack peoples religion
(by religion we mean Christianity)
(by christianity we mean white Christians)

>>2061813

The free market will fix it.

>Christ and Jewish values superior to your own liberal values? Slur, slur, slur.
>Slurs don't work because real life is different from your slurs, MAKE A TV SHOW BACKING UP THOSE SLURS!
>James Cameron logic.
When real life doesn't prove your liberalism, write a song, make a tv show, write a story book, make a movie, do whatever you can to make it look like the media is "mirroring" the culture.
It's them saying the n-word over and over again. So tell me, those who have seen this show, do the evil white Christians murder homosexuals, eat fried chicken and watermelon? I need to know what the left depicts those of us in the land of Jesus and Republicans and flyover country as.
Maybe Demi Moore can make a movie about a strong white short haired woman joining the church and evil men oppressing her like she did with the marines.

>>2061858

Probably... It'll bomb and never be heard of again.

Don't expect it to go more than four shows.

A show attacking White Christians and calling them bitches.

Wow, hollywood has done it again!

Let's bring back Little House on the Prairie and Seventh Heaven!

Why always Christians is it because they won't really do anything, mean If it was Muslims I am pretty sure a couple of people in hollywood would end up hanged some where on a bridge or tree

>>2061909
Where all of the characters recycle, come out of the closet and are against the evil corporations in every single episode. ECKS DEE

It seems like White Christians are fair target for attack but don't you dare say anything negative about Jews, homos, Blacks, Asians etc....

ABC found itself contacted by many Christian and Christian organizations for the original title of the series, Good Christian Bitches. Some Christians and Christian organizations believe the name as well as the show is demeaning toward Christianity, while some advocates for women found it problematic to use the word "bitches" to refer to women.[25] Word of the name change came along with ABC's announcement that it had ordered the series.[26] The series then was renamed to "Good Christian Belles" which appeared in several promos before the final renaming to the acronymic "GCB".[27] Several ABC affiliates in Texas and other states in the Bible Belt threatened to not air the show if the name wasn't changed.

>>2061969

Do I need to post an exploding Muslim or something?

Aw, po' christians.

What if they made something called Atheism the religion, or Angry but peaceful Muslims, or something like Slavery for bad blacks, or Horus our God, the won't do that would they

>Christians are 80% of the population

Shit like this is pathetic. ABC is terrible for this

> shitty ABC show

It's going to crash and burn like that show about cross dressers.

I guarantee it.

>Jesus says that Christians will be persecuted
>Christians bitch about persecution

Never change, guys. Never change.

>>2062063
Even though people say that, I don't believe it. If they really were Christian they wouldn't be ashamed of their faith in the eyes of the rest of the country. This show is an attack show, and a minstrel show, but I think real Christians are a much fewer number than what anyone poles. It's probably more like 10%. How many of them would truly go to bat for their God?

>>2062111
He never said that we shouldn't fight.

>implying you don't secretly enjoy those movies

I know you love it , my good goy.

>>2062122

Sad, but true.

There are very few Christians that dedicate themselves and devote themselves.

Most attach it to their lives as a hobby or something nice to say about themselves.

>>2062122
So since when are some christians better christians than others?

It's all bullshit

>>2062111

>We'll be persecuted
>Just roll over and take it

He said turn the other cheek... He didn't say let them mock and ridicule the religion and undermine it in the view of the public with propaganda without saying a word.

>>2062162
Well, you can obviously tell by what tv shows they watch.

sooo what exactly is the problem with the show? why am i supposed to be mad at it and yet love it at the same time?

>>2062147
And some use it for networking, some go to church to find a husband or a wife, etc. I know a lot of people who say they are catholic and Christian and will not only stand by as another of their own is attacked, they will join in and help murder the guy to save themselves. Remind them of things in their Bible and they get angry and attack you further. I'd rather have them say they were anything other than Christian, catholic of a Jew hiding in his bunker rather than be the national embarrassments they are to their faith.

>>2062166
>He said turn the other cheek... He didn't say let them mock and ridicule the religion and undermine it in the view of the public with propaganda without saying a word.
you might want to actually read the bible and watch the show. then come back when you know what you're talking about.

>>2062162

>I'm a 20 year old atheist... I don't need some flying sky magician! LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

Our youth is really messed up. Not only do they think their smart when they're not, they're indignant about it. They're ugly and mean spirited about it too, choosing to either mock or angrily use profanity toward something.

>>2061719
I don't, it's discriminatory. We should start calling out all of these evil theocratic tyrants that oppress and manipulate the human race.

We should be making shows called "Woman Butcherin' Islamites" or "Kid Shootin' Zionists" to highlight their evil too.

>>2062195

I've done both. Why haven't you?

>>2062199
for a christian you sure seem fairly hateful.

>>2062196
Bring back national service!
Bring back corporal punishment!
Mandatory tests for demonic possession!

they're reaching for ratings

>>2062196
>Moral Conservatism
>Dead

Pick Two

>>2062203
i have. you apparently dont understand what turn the other cheek means, it definitely doesnt mean fight back. also isnt the christian girl in the show a reformed bad person?

>>2062166
It should be mocked and ridiculed. Why is religion the only thing that can't be mocked and ridiculed?

>>2062137

In fact, he did. Turn the other cheek and all.

I'm a catholic and I don't mind. Protestants are horrible filth anyway and deserve to get shat on.

>>2062166
Marx said to turn the other cheek... He didn't say let them mock and ridicule the economic philosophy and undermine it in the view of the public with propaganda without saying a word

>>2062243

>Hurf Durf

>>2062215

...How in the world did you derive that from my statement? Reaching a little aren't we?

Very few Christians would stand by any of that. What a strawman.

You're very dumb if that's what you truly believe. (I don't believe you do though, you're just using extremes on the internet, you realize anyone in real life would laugh at you if you said that)

>>2062224

You might be right. Which is sad. Still has very little to do with my post.

>>2062259
>mfw when all you have to defend your shit tier religion is some hurf durf

>>2062162
Sissy-angsty behavior aside, it's actually a decent question. Jesus said about Christians being the light of the world, and also being salt. If you hide that candle how can the light shine? if salt has lost its flavor it's worthless. When I screw up, and I do screw up I have shame over it- repent and so forth. I'm not perfect, but the point is I would never go out and tell people that the sin I committed is now an alternative lifestyle and it's time to start persecuting others who don't violate the word of God that they supposedly believe in.
I know Christians and people who say they are "catholic" right now that have joined hands to commit murder to cover up them stalking the very person they stalked. They did horrible things- unimaginable things, and to this moment mock that person and say there is nothing they can do to prove what evils they committed. Now these are Christians and some Jews- people who say they love God, but they violate some of the most basic tenants of their faith, and yet you wonder why intelligent, thinking people who want to know the truth won't believe in God because of people like them?
There is a standard God has, and then there is the standard man has, and when people who swear they love God choose man's standard, they chose a different master rather than be legit. That's how you get fake Christians, fake catlicks, and fake Jews. They're everywhere.

>>2062233

>Religion can't be mocked or ridiculed
>It currently is

What are you talking about?

Race and other religions can't be mocked or ridiculed. (Not that I want them to. I want the standard to be the same to all religions and races)

>>2062243

>>2062266
Wash the sand out of your vagina will ya? This is 4chan, not the messageboard at Invisiblechildren.

>>2061783
>Christians don't destroy or kill

Ha. You so funny.

>>2062277
>Both believe in jesus
>His divinity
>Both are batshit insane

Whats the problem?

>>2062282
j>judge not
>judge everyone
pick one

>>2062277

Nah, I just think all yall niggas is crazy.

>>2062316
i think being in a religion that was started because some dude was upset he wasnt allowed to put his dick in the woman he wanted is crazy.

>>2062266
>Which is sad
The day it dies, i will have a nonstop orgasm.

>>2062292
>equating religion to race

>>2062327

Yeah, because it's stopping you from doing what...?

Oh, that's right... Nothing.

Why hate something that you need not worry about?

>>2062340

>The topic was on things that can't be ridiculed or mocked

Keep up.

sounds like a good show
thanks for letting me know about it OP

>>2062297
Protestantism is a political movement against the structure of the Catholic Church, not a religion. It's a heresy in its most pure form.

You don't even have apostolic succession, how do you sleep at night?

>>2062314
The scriptures in both the Old and New Testament that specifically say that if you see your brother sin you should say something to them. There's one entire section where you go them alone and try to reason things out, and if that fails get some help, and if that fails bring them before the church. The very concept of saying some behavior is wrong is judging, no?
Liberals love that "don't judge" scripture as long as you don't finish it. "Judge not lest ye be judged, for with the same measure you mete, it shall be measured back to you." So if I'm worried about my so-called brother-in-Christ and see him do something and tell them, I'm wrong by your standards now? If I was screwing up it would be the utmost sign of brotherly love for him to risk me throwing a liberal tantrum by telling me or reminding me of falling short of the mark of God.
When Jesus said to the chick caught in adultery, "Go and sin no more," saying what she was doing is judging that act, ne? Telling her to stop doing what she had been doing was judging, ne?
I believe there is an Old Testament passage that says you will be held responsible if you don't tell your fellow in faith about something they are up to- especially if its a sin leading to death.
You picked a bad time to come to /pol/, buddy.
The people I mentioned never told the person they stalked DIRECTLY that they were stalking him- no, they tried to push him to commit crimes or commit suicide like good Christians and Jews hiding in a bunker should. Should not long running attempted murder be judged? I R CONFUS.

>>2062277

>hurr durr durr hurrr

>>2062363

Catholic church is a little crazy. Praying through Mary, candles every where, pretentious gaudy outfits, worshiping the pope (Lol), making up arbitrary dogma...

It's messed up.

>>2062344
It's stopping gays from being happy
It's stopping atheists from being electable
It's contributing to overpopulation by discouraging contraception

It's stopping people from doing a lot of things

>>2062405
This. I know catholic that will intimidate the hell out of you if you call them on their crap. They nuts.

>>2062408

>Waaaaaah people don't like me! Their rights end where my feelings begin!

>>2062408
Go make your own country outside of the USA. Christians and Jews gotta have their own homes somewhere. Stop invading our homes from the inside out.

>>2062397
but you're not actually worried about them. you're just belittling them so you can feel better about yourself. you are reverse coveting their behavior. that's not cool, bro.

>>2061686

>GCB[1][2] (formerly titled Good Christian Bitches and then Good Christian Belles) is an American comedy-drama television series created and written by Robert Harling, produced by Darren Star,

>produced by Darren Star

>Darren Bennett Star (born July 25, 1961) is an American producer, director and writer for film and television. He is best known for creating the hit TV shows Melrose Place, Beverly Hills, 90210 and Sex and the City.
>Star is gay,[6] Jewish and has residences in New York City and Los Angeles.[7]
>Jewish

>>2062433
Your religion is antithetical to the constitution.

If you want to have your theocracy go make it somewhere else.

>>2062355
You are putting religion and race in the same category. One is the decision to believe in a myth and the other is something you are born with. One also deserves the ridicule it gets.

>hurf durf keep up

>>2062445
Go back to europe then.

>>2062466
Then the american indians that came here have to go back over the Alaskan land bridge. Europe is muslim-socialist-land right now anyway. America is America. Get out.

>>2062405
>Catholic church is a little crazy.
arent all religions?
>Praying through Mary,
you never pray for other people? no one ever prays for you?
> candles every where
yeah, sorry we cant all have track lighting like you.

> pretentious gaudy outfits
tradition is horrible, isnt it.
> worshiping the pope (Lol)
they dont worship the pope, i know..i know. your protestant propaganda tells you otherwise but it's not actually true.
> making up arbitrary dogma...
this doesnt happen. you seem fairly ignorant about something you profess to know a lot about

>>2062483
Let's all just go back to africa then

That's where we all originated right?

Nationalism is bullshit

>>2062405
>worshipping the pope

Not a single catholic I know likes the pope. Not even the church I go to gives a rats ass about him.

Might be cause they're all Polish and buttfrustrated it's not JP 2.0 anymore.

>>2062484
>Praying through Mary,
>you never pray for other people? no one ever prays for you?
Uh, their God specifically says not to pray to anyone but Him, so this is completely bad. They make up rules that God says otherwise shouldn't be so yes, they are out of the will of God, even if some of them are well meaning. It's crazy and open rebellion against God's will in many, many ways. No wonder they have so many problems, but then again if I say anything I might end up in a german jail like Martin Luther.

Kikes run the meida. It's old news.

There'll never be a tv show about how they betrayed the German people, committed the Holodomor, counterfeited money in Hellenic Greece, and otherwise backstabbed, stole, tricked, and swindled their way through history.

Or how in NY 80+ rabbis were arrested for molesting kids. You'll never hear about that in a tv or movie, although there's the movie Doubt and plenty of other material about preists molesting kids, b/c of mesirah.

Look if you have the advantage/majority in society we get to make fun of you this means:
>white people
>rich people
>skinny people
>christians
It's always been this way.

>>2062461

That's a nice opinion there.

But missing the point entirely considering the topic was "Things that currently cannot be mocked or ridiculed in the public sphere since it's deemed politically incorrect" had nothing to do whether one is a choice to believe something or not. That's superfluous.

>>2062540
>skinny people
>Majority
>america

OH HOW I WISH

>>2062527
>implying Luther was ever jailed

You fat fucking retard, you don't even know the history of your own heretical movement. Luther got his own university after his shenanigans and died a free man.

>>2062540
>Look if you have the advantage/majority in society we get to make fun of you

So? Liberal fucks who preach intolerance against intolerance and mindful of "hurt feelings" should stop using double standards.

Not a Christian, just someone who reserves the right to mock anyone I choose in whatever words I choose. You can't have it both ways.

>>2062508
Under what authority do you NOT care about the Pope?
He's, according to catholic belief, god's appointed leader to his church on earth.

>>2062550
Thats why I said Advantage or majority.
Skinny people def have the advantage.

>>2062137
Atheist for Jesus here.

Mr Christ did indeed say that. It was a stable of his Buddhist faith.

>>2062212
I'm not a Christian, I just don't agree with unfairly discriminating against "Christians". We need to start calling out the rest of these sick, pedophiliac, murdering, Nazi rapists that are religious people today.

There are a minority of religious people that are good, but a minority they are. They're the ones that actually do good things because they're good people, and would do regardless of religion. The Christian who does charity work, loves people regardless of who they are, and tries to do their best for mankind, is a great person. They don't use the faith they claim to excuse any bad things they do, because they know that while they try to be a good person,

The majority of religious people are just hateful, backward idiots at best, and liars pushing another agenda at worst. They use their claimed religion as a shield against personal criticism of their own evil. Examples include Adolf Hitler, the Pope, Ian Paisley, Rick Santorum, Newt Gingrich, the Israeli government, Zionists, fundamentalist Islamists, and many others.

>>2062558
So that's what you concentrated on. I see.

>>2062570
I'm Catholic and I know the Pope's important, but he's really not that important. My local bishop has a WAAAAY bigger influence on my religious life than the Pope himself does.

>>2062564
who said anything about liberals? Everyone gets to make fun of these people.

And I think when you guys talk about liberals you're not talking about liberals but like waaaaaaaaaaaay left wing liberals, isn't there a more specific name you can use? I mean I don't lump all Christians in with westboro baptists or all republicans in with neo-cons.

>>2062527
>Uh, their God specifically says not to pray to anyone but Him, so this is completely bad.
how so? they arent worshiping anyone but god. have you ever asked someone to pray for you? were you worshiping them by asking?

> They make up rules that God says otherwise shouldn't be so yes, they are out of the will of God, even if some of them are well meaning.

Jesus said to him in reply, "Blessed are you, Simon son of Jonah. For flesh and blood has not revealed this to you, but my heavenly Father. And so I say to you, you are Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church, and the gates of the netherworld shall not prevail against it. I will give you the keys to the kingdom of heaven. Whatever you bind on earth shall be bound in heaven; and whatever you loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven."

you were saying?
>It's crazy and open rebellion against God's will in many, many ways.
god put them in charge.
>No wonder they have so many problems, but then again if I say anything I might end up in a german jail like Martin Luther.
yeah because that's likely to happen.

>>2062606
But you just said your church doesn't give a rat's ass about him.
Shouldn't you base your faith around his?
Is he not closer to god than you are?

>>2062546
Since when were we talking about the public sphere and political correctness? Oh right, never. Here is what you said the last post.
>The topic was on things that can't be ridiculed or mocked
My statement was very clear after that and you decided you had to change what you said because you realized it was nonsense. So I'll ask the question again why shouldn't religion be ridiculed?

>>2062630
phhhhhhhhhhht.
Catholics may "love" the pope but they aren't going to fucking listen to him. You know how many catholics use contraceptives?

>>2062577
>i just don't agree with unfairly discriminating against "Christians".
me either. it's a good thing they arent discriminating against christians, they're making a show. it's called comedy. comedy also mocks various comedic things, this is not discriminatory.

>>2062624
You nuts.

>>2062649
I have no idea. But they should, shouldn't they?
He's god's appointed leader of the church, is he not?
The order isn't "love" a leader, it's obey a leader.
Why do you not obey your maximum church leader?

>>2062630
>Shouldn't you base your faith around his?
this just shows how little you actually understand catholics.

>>2062445
>Jews
They have their own country.

>Stop invading our homes from the inside out.
Oh wow. I'm glad I don't live in Amerika – you religious bigots shame an otherwise great nation. Your founding fathers in their graves spin.

>>2062665
wow, what a well thought out rebuttal. there's not a single point i can argue against...of course there's not a single point either.

>>2062630
I'm a different Catholic than the one you were talking to.

>>2062666
Remember, the Pope mostly deals with Cardinals and Vatican business. Actual Catholic lay people most interact with priests and bishops. And they DO teach that birth control is a sin, but lay people just sin anyway.

It's a terrible thing. Whenever I see a Catholic admit to using birth control I inform them that it's a sin and why.

>christians on /pol/
Hahahahaa wow this is rich, white supremacist AND christian? HILARIOUS

>>2062678
Oh, I understand the catholic faith better than you may think.
Do you not know the dogma of papal infallibility?
Census fidelium?
Ex cathedra?
Does any of this ring a bell?

>>2062686
You're mad that the founding fathers made a country specifically with the preservation of freedom of speech and religion, and the left wants to erase that because they don't want to have to compete with success. So the slurring begins. Cue Episode 9 of minstrel show christians on ABC!

>>2062704
>>2062704
yes im aware and if you were truly aware of what you were talking about then you'd understand that papal infallibility is in reference to very specific very rare statements and not everything that comes out of the pope's mouth.

>>2062704
>papal infallibility?
>Census fidelium?
>Ex cathedra?
Metal gear?
Deus Ex?
The Patriots?
So much made up crap. I'm glad I actually care what God says let alone some bull made up by weirdoes.

>>2062701
Thanks for making my points for me.

>>2062714
>the left
>wants to eliminate religious freedom
uh wat?

christians are such pussies

cry harder. or pray more, heheheheh

here OP it's for you

>>2062724
>>2062726
>mfw catholics don't even know what their retarded beliefs are based on

>>2062726
>made up crap
>stuff from the bible
pick one

I think we should publicly ridicule and demoralize all religious people.

>>2062714
Making fun of your dumb religion isn't the same as getting rid of the first amendment. Also, what are you talking about when you say compete with success? Is this still about your religion?

>>2062750

Nope

>>2062747
so you have no face because it hasnt happened? fair enough. get back to me when you know what you're talking about.

>>2062750
>Pick one
>Pick Both

Pick the latter

>>2062752
I disagree. I think we should force them to explain their beliefs and show them the alternatives to such folly.

>>2062714
>You're mad that the founding fathers made a country specifically with the preservation of freedom of speech and religion
I said the exact opposite of that.

>and the left wants to erase that
I'm not a leftist. I don't care what "the left" wants to do.

ITT: Non-Catholics try to tell Catholics what they believe.

>>2062747
The post about Papal infallibility is right though. There's actually a drawn out process and ritual that the Pope as to go through to speak infallibly.

Which is awesome, because it means I really can Imagine Breaker the Pope and stop him from carrying out a ritual if I want to.

Fuck your shit Hollywood. And I don't even care for religion. Fucking liberal scum.

>>2062726
>I'm glad I actually care what God says
>I'm glad I can interpret what "God says" anyway I want to make me feel good.

>>2062690
1 - praying TO someone is different than asking someone to pray FOR someone. Praying to a person who you bear false witness by saying she's still a virgin when she had kids after Christ is a major triple no-no. Why pray to someone who's already dead when you can learn what God wants for your life b you know, reading the Word and praying yourself?
2 - So when I mentioned the fact that catholics make up rules your response is a random scripture? That's nuts. Sorry, but that's nuts. I could go into telling priests they can't marry, the little cloth phone booth of forgiveness, etc, but your response was nuts.
3 - God put them in charge? Then why are they making crap up. If God is clear with His intentions, they are failing their supposed charge by MAKING CRAP UP. That is open rebellion to God's will.
4 - I thought Martin Luther was persecuted because he went against the catlick church and was locked up for a while. I'll be glad to be corrected on this one.
Sorry I wasn't thorough before in my simple two word answer.

>>2061719
I don't like Christians and give a fuck how they are portrayed. If anything I hope this hastens the end of that religion in America.

>>2062726
Thank you for proving that religious people make up their own arbitrary dogma.

>This show exists, therefore all liberals think this way about Christians.
A) Stop with the liberal media conspiracy thing. If a show is successful/gets ratings, they'll air it. If it fails, then they won't. You want to argue over what values are being spread through TV, then argue over what you support.
B) also not every liberal hates Christians and, you know, some are Christian.
>You wouldn't see this with Jews/Muslims
A) Who would the target audience be? Everyone in America knows what Christianity is and, roughly, what it's about; can you say the same about any other religion here? No one would watch it because no one would get it.
B) Death threats. At least most Christians seem tolerant, but you couldn't get away with a show making fun of Islam. It wouldn't happen.
>Christians don't destroy or kill
Right, just as I don't breath or eat.

If the pope is appointed by god, and thus his decrees come from god himself. Then why do different popes sometimes make different decrees?

Or does god have multiple personality disorder?

>>2062859
I am Christian, I wrote that post, and it posses me off to no end when people like mormons, cathlicks and others make crap up. It royally pisses me off. And then when they come after you for pointing it out- how the hell do I tell someone who isn't Christian that Christ is the way when I have these nuts pointing their swords in my direction? Just damn.

>>2062878
>If the Bible was written by god, and thus the decrees come from god himself. Then why do different books sometimes make different decrees?
>Or does god have multiple personality disorder?
It works with all parts

>>2062878
Would you please point out two statements made under the infallibility doctrine by different popes conflict with each other?

Next you'll complain that the Bible is full of contradictions too. Oh wait, no you won't because you're a filthy Protestant heretic.

>>2062896
>They made up crap during the past few centuries! They should use the made up crap that's been around for thousands of years. What a bunch of posers.
Realize that they think the same thing about you. How can they spread the gospel of latter day saints when there are denominations denouncing them as heretics?
Get over yourself and learn some tolerance or stop being religious and avoid the hypocrisy.

>>2062918
John paul II was notoriously more liberal then benedict 16th

>>2062798
>>2062798
1. they are different things, thats why we ask mary to pray for us and we dont pray to her. you seem to be infering some sort of worship going on by talking but that's not actually taking place. there's no actual evidence that she ever had more kids. again not praying to her, but asking her to pray for us. hence the whole "pray for us sinners" part.
2. if by random scripture you mean the very passage where jesus puts peter in charge and says whatever they do on earth he'll uphold in heaven. yeah that has no relevence when talking about the leader of the church being able to make changes.
2b. now you're just rambling. why would priests marry, didnt jesus tell his apostles to give up all worldly things and come follow him? what exactly is the problem with talking to someone about your sins? it's a fairly standard practice since the very start of the christian faith.
3.yes he put them in charge, did you not read the passage? they arent making crap up.
4. luther was a nutjob who was upset that the church wouldnt let him marry a nun.not to mention the fact that he actually did just randomly make shit up to suit his whims.

>>2061750
>Life begins at contraception
Wut

>>2061686

Whine, whine, whine... as if you're anything even like Christian, OP. I look forward to when white people are a minority in America so I can tell you to stop being an uppity minority.

>>2061686
Jos and surrounding Plateau state have been torn apart in recent years by violence pitting its different ethnic groups and major religions—Christianity and Islam—against each other. Human Rights Watch says at least 1,000 people were killed in communal clashes around Jos in 2010.

The violence, though fractured across religious lines, often has more to do with local politics, economics and rights to grazing lands. Muslims in the city also say they are locked out of lucrative jobs in the region as the Christian-led state government doesn't recognize them as citizens.

The Catholic church attack also comes after a failed raid Thursday by British and Nigerian commandos left a Briton and an Italian hostage dead in Nigeria's far northwest. British officials have blamed a splinter cell of Boko Haram for the attack, something a spokesman for the group has denied.

>>2062934
They start out on the same ground as I, saying that the Bible is the word of God (that which specifically says was His word.) I stay on that ground and go no further. They then make crap up that specifically goes against what God said.
>I'm somehow the bad guys
>2012

>>2062918
This was really easy and I couldn't care less about Catholicism.
http://cesidian.ch/infallibility.html

>>2062974
actually that page is horribly wrong. it goes on the assumption that everything a pope says is infallible, which is not the actual belief of the church.

>>2062967
>New Testament
>Contradicts large parts of Old Testament, new rules, new system, Trinity, etc.
>Made up crap to put on the Tora/"Old Testament"
Christians are the Mormons of Jews.
You're religion is just as fucked up as theirs. I repeat, learn some tolerance or stop being religious.

>>2062967
they dont make up anything, they just go off of what's in the bible.
you join the church of a heretic who constantly makes up bullshit.
then you call them the false christians
yes you are the bad guy.

>>2062967
You realize that the Vatican decides what's in the Bible and what's not, right? And that they store all the original scrolls and do all the translations?

>>2062951
1 - Ara~ You mean when the scriptures repeatedly point out Jesus' brothers and sisters? And why does the Bible point out that "every knee shall bow" to Jesus, but you bow to Mary? You by any chance remember the passage where a demonized King Saul went nuts and asked for a seance to talk to Samuel, and it went bad on him?
2 - I hate catholicism so damn much. That scripture did not give anyone license to go against things God put in place. Why does it say deacons and pastors and such can get married, and why does the New Testament repeatedly note that to keep from having lack of self-control let men marry? You put a burden on men that God Himself said not to put on man.
3 - Yes, yes they are making crap up. Cloth phone booths to confess your sins rather than the New Testament scripture that says to pray to God yourself? Ara~
4 - Wait, so a restriction God didn't put on women- this nun-crap, he stood up against because Martin knew it was okay for them to marry got him the title of nut job? Wow- if I was atheist crap like this would really amke me want to join the church and give my life to virgin-never-had-sex-after-giving-birth-to-Christ Mary.

>>2063013
Your

>>2063053
shhhh. dont pop his bubble.

>>2063011
>Asks for contradictions in the infallibility doctrine
>Is shown the contradictions
>"well the doctrine doesn't actually say the popes can't be wrong"

>>2063053
The Vatican... and not reading the Word yourself? Damn I hate catholicism. I really hate ti more and more each day. I couldn't tell someone Jesus is the way with all this nonsense. it's not just embarrassing, it's shameful. I give up.
Okay catholics you win. The life and souls of the lost are not important, making crap up is. Now march in your gay pride parade in St. Augustine, Florida and pretend you actually give a damn. (sarcasm)

>>2063088

>Damn I hate catholicism

stupid kike.

>>2063053
Of course everyone realizes that. They had to be some means for putting together the Bible, and false works that obviously conflicted with the main body of works were excluded, and as you pointed out, saved. It's not like the Church acted in secret and hid these writings.

>>2063100

>implying that it takes more than meeting a catholic to hate catholics

NICE ONE

>>2063100
Not that guy but religions are all equally silly don't worry, I don't see how anyone can be religious in this day and age.

>>2063088
>I couldn't tell someone Jesus is the way with all this nonsense.
>I couldn't tell someone that God reincarnated himself by impregnating himself in a woman, growing up to 32 while performing miracles, teaching illiterate, ignorant, desert nomads, and then being sacrificed to himself to forgive a sin that happened hundreds of years earlier to people that died long ago that caused everyone else to be sentenced to hell; not only that, but believing in this is the only way to escape the punishment of eternal torture and separation from God that God set up. I mean, how can I spread that gospel with all that Catholicism nonsense?
Yeah, good luck.

>>2063081
You don't have any idea what the infallibility doctrine actually states.
http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/07790a.htm

>>2063088
So you're saying that Jesus wrote the bible? And in English no less? Uneducated swine.

>>2063081
You showed no contradictions and actually have no idea what you're talking about.

I agree, all abrahamic religions deserve to be attacked, not just Christianity

>>2063181
>in english no less
Well what the fuck do you think? America is a Christian country built on Christian values. English is the language of our lord. Why do you think we speak English in America?

>>2063177
>Would you please point out two statements made under the infallibility doctrine by different popes conflict with each other?
This was the original question asked and with a quick google search you can find numerous conflicts between different popes. That was the whole point and when the whole doctrine is that the church is infallible you pretty much prove my point, so thanks.

Also

>Protestants in charge of contributing to culture

>>2063058
1. it doesnt. it does point out that he has many relatives and that some chick named mary had some kids however theres no indication that she is the same mary as there are multiple mary's in the gospel and when they refer to his mother they have this habit of saying mary mother of jesus. also this is not just a belief held by catholics but professed by Luther, Calvin, and Zwingli.
since when is summoning the dead back to earth the same as attempting to send them a message? oh that's right it isnt. also saul was pretty SOL by that point and everything he did was going bad for him.

2. im glad you're a christian that's full of hate, that seems so telling about your belief system.
"Whatever you bind on earth shall be bound in heaven; and whatever you loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven." so what exactly does this mean if it's not telling peter that he'll uphold whatever he says on earth?
>You put a burden on men that God Himself said not to put on man
you seem to be confusing god and paul.
3.mm nope. confession has been pretty standard since the time of jesus and then the apostles took over doing it.
4. no martin wanted to get married and he thought he could interpret the bible better then the people god put in charge, so he flipped out and decided to start his own church. the fact that he arbitrarily decided to start his own church because he felt like it means that all churches are worthless as anyone can just start one and change whatever they feel like if they dont agree with what the bible says.

>>2063270
Do you understand english?

>>2063270
>This was the original question asked and with a quick google search you can find numerous conflicts between different popes.
and if you actually bothered to look up the infallibility doctrine you would realize that not everything a pope says is infallible, only rare specific things on very precise topics.

>That was the whole point and when the whole doctrine is that the church is infallible you pretty much prove my point, so thanks.
that's actually not the point but thanks for proving how little you understand what you're talking about.

>>2063270

>>2063297
>4. no martin wanted to get married and he thought he could interpret the bible better then the people god put in charge, so he flipped out
So he had basic reading comprehension and called them on their bull, and now he's permanently a bad guy for it. Got it. When you're called on your blasphemy as a catlick, destroy, destroy, destroy.

religion is shit. Fuck it.

>>2063270
>the whole doctrine is that the church is infallible
That's where you're wrong you stupid heretic.

learn what you're protesting.

>>2063368
Can somebody explain this infallibility crap? it sounds like more catholic "DON'T YOU QUESTION US OR WE SMITES YOUS" garbage. It would explain why some cathlicks I know believe murder through psychology is acceptable.

>>2063347
>So he had basic reading comprehension and called them on their bull
basically, except instead of that, he stated a declaration by jesus was invalid and then said that a paul mentioned to someone was the direct word of god. so um...heretic much?

>>2063405
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Papal_infallibility

the only reason that im aware of that catholics might be ok with murder is to get rid of your atrocious spelling of the word catholic.

>>2063405
>church teachings are produced from interpretations of Scripture and Tradition by the Pope, the Cardinals, and Bishops.
>that's literally all they do all day
>if there's an issue that threatens to divide the Church, they hold a big meeting called a Council to hash it out
>RARELY, VERY RARELY, the Pope can hold a special ceremony
>in this ceremony, following very specific rituals, he can invoke Papal infallibility.
>what this means is that what he says is forever true in Heaven and on Earth, because he's speaking as the direct successor of Jesus Christ himself


Anything else the pope says outside of that ritual is not infallible.

>>2063333
>That the Church is infallible in her definitions on faith and morals is itself a Catholic dogma
Do you not understand what your own church teaches? The doctrine says that when the pope officially declares dogmatic teaching of faith and morals it is infallible. Faith and morals isn't a very specific category and the link that was already provided shows contradictions in the teachings of faith and morals. Even if what you said was true, the pope is only always right about something very specific and very limited? Smells like bullshit to me. You aren't making a very good case for your church.

>>2063446
Thanks for the link. I knew it was something incredibly dumb and meant to silence anyone that questioned their messed up lies. And I use that spelling to irk some, and it seems to do a fantastic job.
>the Pope is preserved from even the possibility of error
This, this is just wrong.

>>2063450
>because he's speaking as the direct successor of Jesus Christ himself
Oh hell, no wonder they're nuts. I'm not afraid of what some catlicks from Texas and Florida could do. Oh wow. I wouldn't join anything like this. This is so wrong- so unbelievably wrong.

>>2063450

It has already been shown that during this ritual there have been multiple popes that have contradicted one another. I really don't see how Catholics can defend that.

>>2063457
try reading a bit further into the page. maybe look at the actual specifics and then remove your head from your ass.

>>2063489
I mean this- absolutely this. HOW THE HELL CAN YOU KNOW WHAT GOD WANTS COMPARED TO SOME DUMBASS WHEN YOU CATLICKS DO THIS STUFF? NO WONDER I CAN'T EXPECT MERCY FROM YOU SUPPOSEDLY LOVERS OF JESUS AND GOD, NO WONDER YOU'RE COLDER AND MORE NASTIER THAN ANYONE I HAVE EVER KNOWN. Damn.

>>2063489
but it hasnt been shown. the previous link showed that popes have contradicted each other. which as falible people is bound to happen. it didnt show a single actual occurrence of infallible statements contradicting each other.

>>2063514
way to jump behind an ignorant statement that's already been disproved.

Are we sure cathololololicism isn't really liberalism in disguise, or maybe it's bioware and Electronic arts? I'm so confused. Ara~

ABC is Already Boring Channel and this makes it less boring.

>>2063489
No, it hasn't been shown. ONE person made the BROAD claim that two popes had different views on things. By saying that one was more conservative and one was more liberal.

>>2063514
There it is. Nobody hates the Catholic church because of its teachings or anything. They hate SOMEONE in the Church who was mean to them or something.

ITT: We go from talking about GCB to the nature of Papal Infallibility.

Guys, Papal infallibility (like most things Catholic) is nuanced as hell. Papal statements are 'infalliable' only when he is speaking ex-cathedra. If the Pope says "The Sky is Green" that doesn't make it so. Popes can and have been wrong when making their personal statements which is the majority of what they do. When it comes to something like say the Immaculate Conception (A classic example of the use of Papal infallibility) then yes, it's dogmatic. Note that the Pope has to be speaking 'ex-cathedra'. Now if for example the Pope was to say "The Eucharist doesn't contain the real presence" he'd be wrong because the Sacraments "come directly from Christ and his apostles" which the Church as an institution has no right to change or modify their validity (only further define, like say Transubstantiation)