I could probably kick his ass.

adult diapers

He's a fundamentalist, a constitutional fundamentalist, the world needs more pragmatism!

2 words:

ra
cist

He is old, that increases his risk of age related illnesses and mishaps. For his age he is in excellent shape, but some things cannot be prevented.

He thinks he is the supreme court.

He's still got my vote.

He's right about many legitimate problems with the government, both small and large... but my problem is that his plans to fix the small problems are as blunt as those for the large problems.

His proposed reforms have the 'surgical precision' of a carpet bombing.

1. Crazy
2. Unelectable
3. Kook
4. Bedwetter

His stance on the 14th amendment worries me. Yes the states should have rights, but every state should be required to enforce the rights upheld in the constitution.

>>2059193
>Two words
>Posts one word
Stay classy libtards

He clearly hates science.

>All governments are dictatorships
>Exchange one large dictatorship for 50, almost just as large dictatorships

Most of these aren't legitimate criticisms of Ron Paul.
More like wild accusations with no proof.
Please provide proof to prove 'legitimate'.
Thank you, please come again.

>>2059321
Fine, let me restate my criticism.

His proposed budget, which shuts down the majority of scientific research in the United States (apart from DoD programs and commercial subsidies) combined with his admissions that he thinks global warming and evolution are both completely made up indicates at best a strong mistrust of science, and at worst an actual hostility towards it.

>>2059304
>almost just as large dictatorships
It would be far easier to affect and work with a smaller one than a giant one. People in their respective states could have a far greater impact on local politics and government if it was a state level deal.

>>2059401
global warming is a myth

>>2059443

>>2059401
>His proposed budget, which shuts down the majority of scientific research in the United States

Wait... what?

>>2059281
trolled hard

>>2059401

Natural Climate change is happening.

Al Gore and the boys were the ones pining everyone who questioned global warming as "deniers"

Which is a load of bullshit, if you ask me.

As far as technology and the government, as of now, the federal government simply can't afford to advance technological progress.

If anything, a state with a budget surplus could appropriate funds to colleges or start their own program.

I know scientific research is a high risk investment, but the future comes in many ways, brother.

>>2059508
It could be that he is trolling you.

>>2059401
Yay! An actual criticism.
I'm a Ron Paul supporter and I agree with you on this, because this is exactly true. I don't agree on his religious beliefs, but the majority of everything else I agree on.
As long as he doesn't shut down NASA I'll be happy.
But to my understanding, the majority of the other candidates don't believe in evolution as well. Surely this shouldn't be a reason why you should dislike someone entirely just because he has a separate belief other than you.
Global Warming is true to a point, and were slowly making our way towards better emissions. But you can't change things overnight.

legitimate criticisms
-he thinks austrian economics is valid
-he insists on shutting down the fed
-climate change skeptic
-evolution skeptic
-he wants the gold standard
-inflation hawk

>>2059309

Except for being old, and maybe the eyebrows, you don't know shit.

captcha:

orchizat diarreoea

>>2059528
Or that I am trolling you ^.^

he's would die from old age and stress of the job within a year of being elected

/thread

>>2059401
>indicates at best a strong mistrust of science, and at worst an actual hostility towards it.

Or perhaps a different vision towards the funding for it.

>>2059526

>The federal government simply can't afford to advance technological progress.

Come now. You don't actually believe this, do you? Because you're going to drive me to suicide.

Dream act
We the People Act
Sanctity of Life Act

>>2059526
There is virtually no disagreement among the scientific community that there is a warming trend and that humans are impacting it. The only questions still open to debate are:
a. Whether it is, as you suggest, part of a natural climate cycle that we're merely exacerbating, or whether it's primarily the result of human activity.
b. What natural and anthropogenic factors are contributing the most.

Al Gore is a band-wagoner who jumped on the cause, which makes conservative's portrayal of him as somehow representing the scientific community on global warming all the more absurd.


As far as the federal government not being able to afford funding scientific research and technological research - Paul's proposal shuts down most of the publicly funded research agencies in the US (NASA, NSF, NOAA, NIST, DEOS, ARS, etc etc) and drastically cuts others (NIH medical research cut by a third). All of these shut downs and cuts COMBINED would only reduce annual federal spending by about 1%, but would also bring the lion's share of R&D in the United States to a halt.

Which do you think is going to cost more in the end? That 1% of the budget? Or the fallout from putting tens of thousands of scientists and engineers out of work and effectively killing scientific research in the United States?

>>2059600
>Or perhaps a different vision towards the funding for it.
>NOT funding it

Well, that's certainly a different vision

>>2059689
Those guys have had jobs long enough

Ron Paul's foreign policy is naive in that it abandons the notion of soft power that will eventually become the main mechanism through which governments execute their foreign policy objectives.
Also, and more importantly, Austrian economics, which Paul subscribes to, is a farce that ignores all economic research over the last decade in exchange for erroneous assumptions (those incessant predictions of hyper-inflation in the face of negative interest rates), historical revisionism (Austrians claim that the new deal extended the great depression even though when the new deal was rolled back in 1936, unemployment jumped from around 9% to 16%, and then ignore the Keynesian stimulus effect of WWII) and outright ignorance (Austrians like to claim that monetary deflation only affects prices on goods sold at home, ignoring the fact that deflation also raises the price of debt and labor as well as reduces exports).

>>2059689
>Paul's proposal shuts down most of the publicly funded research agencies in the US

What?! No that's bullshit! Ron Paul wouldn't do that!

>>2059701
Is that your argument? People would obviously spend more money if they paid less taxes, and private research would boom.

Actually I am for government funded research, I'm just playing devil's advocate, but your "argument" is worthless, the process by which you make your conclusions on the premise that RP wants to cut government funded research, shows at best a lack of understanding of the topic and at worst a lack of logical deduction capability.

>>2059850

Private companies have neither the money nor the motivation to fund the kind of high-investment, long-term projects that characterize contemporary scientific research.

Panders to paranoids and racists for his voter and funding base. See the newsletter controversies and other publications of his.

Peddles "austrian economics" a discipline that has been on life support from the Koch brothers since the 70's.

Is in denial about the whole history of the civil war, peddling obvious falshoods in front of a confederate flag. Why? Because he's trying to appeal to neo-confederates.

Supports states' rights to oppress local minorities. Frequently, Paultards will cite the "fact" that it's easier to influence a smaller state government than the federal government. Meanwhile in reality, Jim Crow, Poll Taxes, School Segregation, etc, etc, were all locally established and persevered for generations.

The sort of economic and trade policy that Ron Paul supports out of blind ideology are historically un-american, and have damaged the middle class as they have been implemented to a greater extent since 1980.

Ron Paul's much praised "anti-war" position only extends to government funded wars. He supports war and plunder for profit in other countries. Read up on his silly concept of "letters of marque and reprisal" as a means of retaliating against Al-Quaeda.

>>2060042
> Read up on his silly concept of "letters of marque and reprisal" as a means of retaliating against Al-Quaeda.

Wait, he wants Americans to sign up as government approved pirates to avenge 9/11?

1. No ability to actualize any policies.
2. Unwilling to compromise in order to achieve goals.
3. Fails to recognize the benefits of government, turning what might be a potentially reasonable argument into a waste of time
4. Willingness to trade federal rule for state rule without addressing why it will resolve any of the underlying issues, i.e. why the state won't do almost the exact same thing the federal government would do
5. Failure to account for historical and psychological realities, i.e. we only have all the regulations and shit we have now because we had specific problems that needed addressing.
6. Annoying supporters.

How's that for a start.

He advocates for economics designed to keep rich people as rich as possible and poor people as poor as possible.

Also, a liar and a backstabber for the way he treated 9/11 truth and his vote for the Afghan war.

Furthermore, he's an advocate of economic genocide through his proposals to cut 1 trillion in the first year most which hits welfare recipients, food stamp people, and other people dependent on these programs to survive the hardest.

He is very idealistic sometimes instead of being pragmatic. Also, his support of states rights makes sense but goes a bit too far. Doesn't believe in Federal protection of rights from State tyranny. His debate performances range from pure ownage to cringe-worthy. His free-market solution to everything is naive at best (see free market environmentalism, what a joke). He is wrong on environmental protection and I wish he was for some kind of gov involvement in health care to make sure people are covered.

However, his views on monetary policy, foreign policy, the economy, the fed, cutting lots of spending, balancing the budget, the fact that he is the only one NOT a puppet of israel, make him the only viable candidate.

All in all, the bad outweighs the good in my opinion.

>>2060353
Sorry I meant to type the good outweighs the bad. Typo.

>>Also, a liar and a backstabber for the way he treated 9/11 truth and his vote for the Afghan war.

Not quite true. He has acknowledged that he voted for sending troops to go get the people responsible for 9/11. Everything that happened after that, he never supported.

>Furthermore, he's an advocate of economic genocide through his proposals to cut 1 trillion in the first year most which hits welfare recipients, food stamp people, and other people dependent on these programs to survive the hardest.

Not true either. He has said that in principle he doesnt think the government should be involved in medicine. However, that is not where he would cut.

>>He advocates for economics designed to keep rich people as rich as possible and poor people as poor as possible.

Actually, fiat money is the reason the wealth gap is so high and that is what he has been attacking. If we had sound money and decentralized banking like he advocates, then the fed and the banks wouldn't be able to fuck the middle class. In other words his policies would actually make the poor/ middle class richer.

See this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hx16a72j__8

>FED GOVT HAS TOO MUCH POWER
>advocates "state rights"
>mfw he just wants to make 52 smaller versions of the federal government, but with more power
>mfw Paultards don't realize the implications of giving 50+ state governors presidential powers


My theory he's gone totally senile and secretly thinks it's like the 18th century but hasn't let on to his staffers yet, I mean how else to explain the letters of marque and not believing in evolution and wanting to arm commercial airline staff like they are sailing an Indiaman through the horn and will be beset by pirates

>>2060476
the black community would have nothing to gain if paul was president

the man wants to pardon non-violent drug offenses and end the war on drugs

in no way, shape or form would this help the black man out

>>2060568
0/10

>>2060464

If you are a RP supporter you should know what he's cutting from his 1 trillion plan.

Welfare. Unemployment. Schip. Food stamps and food for expectant mothers plus the WIC program.

The fiat money thing is just Austrian claptrap.

Somebody should tell Ron Paul, who wants to cut spending by over a trillion dollars in his budget and is cheered on by his fans, that Austerity only furthers an economic crisis. You can not succeed in creating growth by applying austerity measures to an economy with a deficit.

>>2060476
feels fucking awesome seeing your OC

He's a corporate apologists who thinks the "free market" is a solution to everything.

>>2060612
Here is the pdf of the plan:

http://c3244172.r72.cf0.rackcdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/RestoreAmericaPlan.pdf

Please point out to anywhere it says he wants to cut those things you've mention?

No he's not. In fact, he hates corporatism and actually wants to go after the corporations that are fucking the middle class ie: the banks at wall street.

There is a difference between "free markets" and "corporatism".

For Ron Paul, liberty means liberty for employers, employees can go fuck themselves. He treats property rights are treated as positive rights, i.e. that it's the duty of the government to provide effective legal protections. He thinks it's somehow fair that everybody pays taxes for that but when it comes to social rights, then he treats them as negative rights. No public schools, no food stamps no nothing. This demonstrates that he's favouring the wealthy.

>> No public schools, no food stamps no nothing. This demonstrates that he's favouring the wealthy.

In principle yes. In a Ron Paul Dream America, charities and private schools would fill that gap. However, he would not cut all those things people are already accustomed to.

>>For Ron Paul, liberty means liberty for employers, employees can go fuck themselves. He treats property rights are treated as positive rights, i.e. that it's the duty of the government to provide effective legal protections.

So in other words, he believes its the government's job to protect your freedom? Tha'ts bad how?

He's a United-Statian. It's like the most beautiful features, coming with the most disgusting mole. Or a butterface.

>>2060885

He believes it's the government's job to only protect property rights but no other important rights. Social healthcare and education are also necessary for true "freedom", as they provide equal opportunity. For the sake of simplicity let's imagine a society of hunters which consists of a lower (poor) hunter class and an elite (wealthy) hunter class. Who belongs to which class is decided on the basis of a competitive examination in hunting skills. However, it turns out that almost exclusively scions of the wealthier stratum are chosen to become elite hunters. This is the case because everybody in the society except the wealthy is poorly nourished, and being well nourished is a prerequisite to succeed in the examination. This is clearly unfair because only the traditional wealthy have a chance to satisfy the eligibility requirements for admission to the elite class. Even if all are eligible to apply for a superior position and applications are judged fairly on their merits, one might hold that genuine equality of opportunity requires that all have a genuine opportunity to become qualified. In the example just sketched, this would mean that all members of society have the opportunity to develop the needed hunting skills. One can imagine the society taking a variety of steps to provide opportunities to all. Nutrition supplements are made available to those whose diet is inadequate. Scholarships to hunting training camps can be won by poor children. Hunting coaches are dispatched to every village. In short: opportunities are provided that enable ambitious and talented youth from any social group to acquire proficiency at hunting skills. This means everybody must sacrifice a portion of his own autonomy in order to distribute opportunity equally to everybody, thus creating a truly free society.

>>2061055
Yes I too disagree with him on his attitude towards health care and education. However, ironically his policies would actually make both of them more widely available.

The health care industry needs more competition which eventually brings prices lower and lower. And with his goal of getting the federal government out of it, then local counties and states would be free to pursue socialized medicine if they wanted to.

He may not believe health care is a right. But he sure would have it delivered.

Check this out:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u6eIBvrMY5w

With regard to education, again he believes in public schools but he wants to have private schools compete. Ideally the private sector would run it better.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z-EAYncCRok

>>2059994
Where you are wrong is that "contemporary research" is actually dominated by private companies because governments lack the budget, know how, drive for innovation and because the free market motivates corporations to do it.

Some /pol/ examples of these "high-investment, long-term projects that characterize contemporary scientific research" :

Space elevators:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space_elevator
http://www.isn.ethz.ch/isn/Current-Affairs/Security-Watch-Archive/Detail/?lng=en&id=93730
>Nanotechnology researchers experienced a breakthrough in 1991 when Japanese physicist Sumio Iijima first observed carbon nanotubes at the NEC Laboratory in Tsukuba, Japan.
>In 2011, Google was revealed to be working on plans for a space elevator at its secretive Google X Lab location.
>In February 2012, a Japanese construction firm Obayashi Corporation announced that in 38 years it could build a space elevator using carbon nanotube technology

Liquid fluoride thorium reactors:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liquid_fluoride_thorium_reactor
>Flibe Energy aims to develop a small modular reactor version using liquid FLiBe salt.

continued

>>2061224
Pretty much all technological research going on is being done by researchers working either directly for a consortium of companies, a company or a university or research centre that gets the majority of it's funds trough corporate investments instead of government. And there are many examples of "long term" projects being funded by them, quantum computing, nano technology, holographic displays, holographic storage,....

If you want to find out what kind of research gets it's funding ONLY from the government, you have at this sort of research :

>"Pressures Produced When Penguins Pooh -- Calculations on Avian Defaecation", Polar Biology, 2003
>"The First Case of Homosexual Necrophilia in the Mallard Anas platyrhynchos (Aves: Anatidae)", Deinsea: Annual of the Natural History Museum Rotterdam, 2001.
>"The Effect of Country Music on Suicide", Social Forces, 1992
>"Ovulatory Cycle Effects on Tip Earnings by Lap Dancers: Economic Evidence for Human Estrus?" Evolution and Human Behavior, 2007

>>2061236

Wait, wait...

Someone got government grant money to scientifically study the biological effects of tipping strippers? I want that job. Why can't I have that job?

well i guess now all the ron paul haters have been owned and criticism debunked.

/thread

>>2061224
>>2061236

Companies like Google are the exception, not the rule.


How many companies are funding cutting edge research in particle, plasma, high energy, or astrophysics? Next to none. How many private companies are investing in building instruments for pure science missions? Next to none.


Throwing out a handful of cherry-picked ridiculous "social science" studies doesn't prove your claim that hard science is better handled by corporations than by public agencies.

>>2061391
Im a paulbot and i acknowledge that picture is true lol

>>2059401
First off, it would go against his libertarian ideology if his ideas of evolution and religion became political.

Second, while I don't know, he likely believes the sciences can be better developed through philanthropists and the general population, especially now in the age of the internet with our greater interconnectedness. To get an idea of what I'm talking about, check out this TED talk:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BltRufe5kkI

>>2061391
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lhyaiOZhpSg

>>2061405
First of all I was showing you that your generalizing argument was just wrong.

>Private companies have neither the money nor the motivation to fund the kind of high-investment, long-term projects that characterize contemporary scientific research.

I show you some examples and then you defend your disproven argument by adapting it to "they are the exception, not the rule" aka my argument is correct, except for the examples you're giving

Some other examples :

NEC, Hitachi, Toshiba, Polaroid, Motorola, Fujitsu, IBM,Google, Nokia, Intel, Samsung, Sun, Sony, Linksys, Panasonic, and then the whole list of companies that are actually the backbone of our current technological advancement but that the consumer never sees: Globalfoundries, ATIC, Broadcom, Qualcomm, TSMC, Huawei,.... I could go on for hours.

Most of these make huge donations to top universities, fund spinoffs, construct research centres and provide jobs for Phd students and researchers,... government funding is marginal to their investments. They do also invest in social sciences and hard science like physics, but the free market has it's limits, which I acknowledge, that's why I said I was playing devil's advocate and do in fact want government funding in it, for some less marketable research.

The examples I have given here are obviously biased towards my own sector, but I can imagine the same principles matter for the energy industry, pharma industry, farming industry,.....

The fact remains that however you want to spin your argument, private companies DO invest in long term, even very theoretical, scientific research.

He is a libertarian.

>>2061822
If there's one thing I hate, it's liberty

>>2061405
>Without government funding, demand will not exist

>If I cannot by any means raise the funding for something I like, that means I should be able to take tax money

Personally, I think if something is worth getting done, someone will do it, and if it's not, well then don't take it from me, though you can ask.

The idea that you think a potential niche that might go unfunded is worth continuing the process of letting bought politicians decide how to allocate tax money to special interests (the power that is one big reason corporation do and can buy government) while you sit and hope that your taxes are going to the things you want is disturbing.

The fact that you exist, and that I have met other people like you, is the exact reason you're wrong. I don't understand why you people don't want to just allocate your money as you see fit and not just pray the government likes what you like.

>>2061553
that was amazing

>>2061789
>List of a bunch of telecom and camera companies
>Implying these companies are funding pure science research instead of just how to make a flashier videocamera or a more expensive modem.

The cuts he would make to the social safety net - not just food stamps, but also stuff like social security and medicare - would be disastrous for a ton of people and cause millions of easily preventable deaths.

He wants to cut taxes to 0%. Even the government services most Libertarians accept as necessary, however grudgingly, would be unable to be funded.

The US has benefited greatly from its size - it was the largest market in the world until the EU came along. By effectively dissolving its federal government by stripping it of all powers, it would be little more than fifty petty states.

>>2062017
Great argument bro, as far as I'm aware, there's only one company on that list that can be described as "pure camera companie" and whattayaknow

>The three main companies involved in developing holographic memory, as of 2002, were InPhase and Polaroid spinoff Aprilis in the United States, and Optware in Japan.

And before you try to argue that the research into holographic memory doesn't include mostly "real science" as you call it, go read the wikipedia article.

Oh and
>as of 2002
That means they have been researching it for over ten years, durr harder!

>>2061944
>If the Free Market decides there is a profitable demand for ___, someone will fund ___.

Ah yes, that would explain why pharmaceutical companies have devoted so much of their money and effort into developing cures for terrible diseases instead of expensive drugs that only manage the symptoms.


... oh wait!

>ITT: The only thing preventing private companies from building multi-billion dollar space telescopes and particle colliders is "big bad gubment".

Wow, you learn something new every day

>>2062105

Blame the FDA.

You really think its the CORPORATIONS that are directly stifling this research? Ever wonder what keeps cheap alternatives off the market?

Do you know what you're talking about?

>>2062039
>He wants to cut taxes to 0%

That's income tax, and he knows that's not going to happen within even ten years or so, he wants to gradually lower income tax and for him "ideally" it would be 0%, he doesn't want to eliminate all taxes as you make it sound

>>2062039

Not sure if you know what you're talking about there.

http://www.ronpaulmyths.com/

>>2062131
0/10, argument trough ridicule, the lowest of all arguments

>>2062138
>Blame the FDA for tying the hands of those poor poor pharmaceutical companies, who REALLY want nothing more than to help cure diseases and don't really care about making a profit.

So like... are Ron Paul supporters from an alternate universe or what?

>>2062158

My bad. He still wants to phase out social security, though, and that'd be pretty bad as well. Too many people lose their investments every market crash.

>>2062131

Ever thought about how much money could be freed up for scientific pursuits if Governments weren't spending it to kill the native populations of third world countries?

Ever wonder how fast science could advance if governments weren't imposing their own moral and religious limitations on it?

Do you think that governments care about science? Do you think that governments know the best way to move society forward?

>>2062173
Ridicule aside he's not wrong - there's nothing legally preventing companies from funding the same kind of scientific research that agencies like NASA or NOAA or CERN do...

... they just choose not too because there's little to no profit in 'science for the sake of science'


Don't get me wrong, I'm still voting for Paul, the pros far outweigh the cons - but I'd be lying if I said this part of his budget didn't concern me.

he claims to be pro life, but also said that there is no "ethical, moral, or legal" issue with giving a rape victim abortion inducing drugs as part of the rape kit (without informing them that it would abort a fertilized egg) simply because we don't have advanced enough testing to see if the egg fertilized yet.

And he said he would do it to his own daughters himself if they had been raped.

That's a disturbing lack of morality, as he basically says "if you can't prove it, I'm guilt free"

He's a gynecologist, which means his fingers probably smell funny. You want his fishy finger on the button???...Didn't think so.

>>2062230
>Ridicule aside he's not wrong - there's nothing legally preventing companies from funding the same kind of scientific research that agencies like NASA or NOAA or CERN do...

Oh that must explain why the main principle behind Obama's much criticized NASA budget overhaul was to encourage private investements. But no, private companies don't invest in research into the things that NASA researchers, nevermind google doing research into space elevators.

>>2062272
>Use government funding of commercial spaceflight as an argument against government funding of research

... uhhhh

>Austrian economics

>>2062299
So google and virgin's space projects are being funded by the government? themoreyouknow.jpg

let's see here

- massive hypocrite, tries to spin away the arguments in favor of civil rights by saying "durr well the federal government shouldn't be involved in this anyway because i said so"
- generally ignorant of science and technology, follows his emotional dogma far too strictly
- thinks that deflation is desirable and that there would ever be a point to competing with commodity-backed currencies, doesn't realize that there is a very good reason why all trading is done with debt these days
- is actually very pro-israel and thinks they should be allowed to do whatever they want, i.e. annihilate the palestinians and start more wars
- can't even run a newsletter properly, and people expect him to be able to run the country?

>>2062299
>Use government funding of commercial spacefligh
>government funded
>commercial

wait...
>GOVERNMENT FUNDED
>COMMERCIAL

full retard

too old; would be the oldest president to ever be elected.

I like how people hate congress and the senate because they are so fucking out of touch because of their age and then support the oldest fucking dude for president.

>>2059584
> ^.^
Added to filter.
Don't use emoticons, even if you are trolling.

>>2062676
Still here... monitoring your every move... 0.o

austrian economics has never been proven invalid

>>2062719
neither is my god

>>2062264
he's an obstetrician
baby delivery doctor.

The "free market will fix it" bullcrap.
The free market is more likely to get us killed than fix anything, it's like he doesn't understand corporations' only goal is profit.

>>2062818
and how do they make profit?

>>2062818
>it's like he doesn't understand corporations' only goal is profit.

i don't think he's the one who is confused.

>>2062866
Yea, In our economy it is. We don't have "Capitalism" in the "Best product, lowest price" sense.

>>2062891
the free market will fix that.........

thats the point.

>>2062751
All you've proven is that you have no understanding of Austrian economics.

Austrians don't believe that their theory can be falsified or verified using econometric data.

It simply derives conclusions using formal logic from some axioms such as "humans act" or some other vague bullshit.

It's a completely worthless theory for that exact reason.

>>2062927

how is it worthless when it would provide the best possible outcome that we know of?

>>2062915
But Ron Paul is going to magically turn our borderline Fascist state into a wonderful free market instantaneously. Even if he has good intetnions, he can't just destroy the bond that our government and corporations have had since forever ago. You're being naive man.

HE DOESN'T BELIEVE IN FUCKING EVOLUTION!

Libertarianism is economically unsound and a gold standard won't solve the problems of overproduction.

>>2062959
*Is not

>>2062959
his executive power can end all the wars and shut down a lot of the departments

even if he did nothing you are better off voting for him

>>2062891
thats because of regulation that inhibits competition and creates monopolies.

>>2062935
>how is it worthless when it would provide the best possible outcome that we know of?
How do you even know that?

Austrians don't believe in adapting their theory to changing econometric data, it's simply correct from the start and there is nothing you can say to them to convince them otherwise.

It's the intelligent design of economics.

Ron Paul wants to:

* define life as starting at conception: http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c110:H.R.2597
* build a fence along the US-Mexico border: http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2006/roll446.xml
* prevent the Supreme Court from hearing Establishment Clause cases or the right to privacy (a bill which he has repeatedly re-introduced: http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c110:H.R.300:
* pull out of the UN: http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c110:H.R.1146:
* disband NATO: http://www.house.gov/paul/congrec/congrec2004/cr033004.htm
* end birthright citizenship: http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c110:H.J.RES.46:
* deny federal funding to any organisation "which presents male or female homosexuality as an acceptable alternative life style or which suggest that it can be an acceptable life style": http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/z?d096:h.r.7955:
* and abolish the Federal Reserve: http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c110:H.R.2755:
* in order to put America back on the gold standard: http://www.house.gov/paul/congrec/congrec2006/cr021506.htm
* He was also the sole vote against divesting US federal government investments in corporations doing business with the genocidal government of the Sudan: http://www.govtrack.us/congress/vote.xpd?vote=h2007-764

Oh, and he

* believes that the Left is waging a war on religion and Christmas: http://www.lewrockwell.com/paul/paul148.html
* is against gay marriage: http://www.lewrockwell.com/paul/paul197.html
* is against the popular vote: http://www.lewrockwell.com/paul/paul214.html
* wants the estate tax repealed: http://www.lewrockwell.com/paul/paul328.html
* is STILL making racist remarks: http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2007/06/02/ron_paul/
* believes that the Panama Canal should be the property of the United States: http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/z?d106:h.con.res.231:
* and believes in New World Order conspiracy theories: http://www.infowars.com/articles/nwo/ron_paul_first_bush_was_working_towards_nwo.htm
* not to mention his belief that the International Baccalaureate program is UN mind control: http://www.congress.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?r109:E14AP5-0007:

>>2062995
keynesianism is the intelligent design of economics

you accept the notion that its possible that you can manage an economy and
HURRR PRINT MORE MONEY WHEN IM IN DEBT

there is an overwhelming amount of evidence for the free market , you are just retarded and it doesnt match your views

>>2059166
you're being a free market dipshit. These things happen because people are not well informed about what they are buying. First tenent of Capitalism. And companies are allowed by the government to outsource jobs to shit countries so the goods they create can be made shoddily with planned obsolesence. it's not the government's fault, Its Buyers, corporations, AND the governments fault.

>>2063036

>end birthright citizenship

Long fucking overdue.

also need to change the requirements for holding federal office along with it.

Why would you list that among your negatives?

>>2063046
>ACTUALLY BELIEVES GOVERNMENT DEBT IS LIKE HOUSEHOLD DEBT

You're the most retarded person ever to post on /pol/, quite a feat. Tell us how you managed it, for science.

>>2059413
Why don't I see shit like this on /pol/ more often? At least one person in this thread knows the best answer for the complexity of human nature, more diversity.
Having the laws at the fed level is implying that humans are universal. Blanket laws that apply in CA are also good for people in NY.

>>2063047

We aren't living under a Capitalist system.

>>2063067
a keynesian calling an austrian stupid?

is it opposite day?

>>2059321
>>2059321
has a lot of prejudices which make him have stupid economic positions
>wants to come back to the gold stantard and abolish the fed
instead of being conforted in his own opinion by rereading hayek over and over he might have a look at what the economic science have been up to these last 30 years in order to make sense.

>>2063110
I'm not calling an Austrian stupid, I'm calling an Austrian retarded. Can you even read? (don't answer, I know you can't)

>>2063103
That's my goddamn point. And if you think Ron Paul will somehow magically fix that, you're seriously giving him too much credit.

>>2063110
your dumb ...lol talk to me when you have an actual argument

>>2062995
The funny thing is how insidious Ron Paul has been to the libertarian movement.

Monetarists like Milton Friedman have a very strong libertarian bent with many of the same opinions about the limited role of government in education, social welfare, and central planning. But all this is irrelevant to Paul because of his irrational hatred of the Fed and his love affair with Austrian economics.

There is a reason why neo-liberals like Friedman helped shaped the modern economic landscape while Rothbard's theories were banished to the deepest depths of the internet.

>>2063046
You obviously have no idea what you're talking about.

Also, classical Keynesianism is basically dead, and it was killed by actual pragmatic libertarians like Milton Friedman.

Austrian economics in the meantime were a fringe group that no one payed any attention, much like now except they couldn't flood the internet with rage posts and terrible youtube videos.

>Gold Standard will bankrupt the US.
>Ron Paul's views on the Constitution show that he has no idea how legislation works
>He is bigoted
>He is against abortion
>He does not realize that defending civil liberties and being against abortion makes him a hypocrite
>He is a creationist
>He is terribly racist
>He is One hundred and eleven years old
>This country would become a shithole if we killed medicaid, medicare, departments of agriculture, commerce, energy, federal reserve and every other government entity that he deems unconstitutional.
>Argues for cutting spending when every economist is warning policymakers that demand is at an all time low and will continue to fall if we don't invest in the people

Even though he is the most intelligent, sensible, honest and genuine candidate, his extreme nuclear approach to government is not appropriate given the economic climate. I am pleased and refreshed by seeing someone arguing for civil liberties and sound foreign policy but beyond that, he is destructive.

>>2063207
the US was such a horrible place before we had all those departments

RIGHT?

>>2063137
Eh, you still have the Mercatus Center and folks like Don Boudreaux and Russ Roberts chugging along but I agree Libertarianism=Ron Paul these days.

He isn't a legitimate leader because no one will vote for him?

>>2063207
>He does not realize that defending civil liberties and being against abortion makes him a hypocrite
He laid it out at one of his speeches on Friday in a way that I could not agree with more. When you determine that life begins at the moment of conception (which you probably don't agree with, but for arguements sake lets say that's when life begins) then that baby is entitled to LIFE, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. That is why he is against abortion and personal liberties. To get an abortion would deny that child all liberties

>>2059210
That is a retarded reason

He can handle four years.

>>2063207

You mean GOP candidate. Obama and Rocky Anderson are better, Rocky being best.

>>2063257
*against abortion, but supports personal liberties I mean

>>2062964
You are a fucking idiot.

>>2063207
>>2063207
>>2063207
pretty much sums up what I think.
He's a sensible man with a big concern about private liberties (a unique position among the very authoritarian/conservative republicans) and has some intelligent positions regarding foreign policies.
Yet his prejudices make him have really stupid positions regarding economics. Might also be electoral strategies to win the heart of hard tea partiers because I think he's somewhat too smart ot actually believe the USA would survive without the fed and with the gold standard.
4 more obama years would be better for the american economy (aoutch hurts to say that) than anything ron paul would do.

>>2063280
>would survive without the fed and with the gold standard.
>4 more obama years would be better for the american economy


how are people this retarded?

>>2063279
>corporate wars
Your boy voted for it.

And guess what? His biggest donator in the millions is a private contractor, and builds weapons and technology for the CIA. His name is Peter Thiel.

His inability to compromise over any issue succeeds in nothing but alienating anyone who might support him.
An ideologue to such extremes that he refuses to change his mind even proven wrong.
Pushes his social conservatism by adopting the guise of states rights.
Hypocritical. He constantly moans about big government, but has quadrupled federal spending in his district.
His policy of sudden and sharp reductions in spending would turn a recovery into a new recession.
Claims to be a strict constitutionalist yet claims that the separation between church and state is not supported by it.

His ideas lack viability because no one will vote for him.

>>2063294
>refuses to change his mind even proven wrong.

HES NEVER PROVEN WRONG

>>2063233

Classic rontard argument.

>Lets go back to 200 years ago when nobody knew shit about shit so they didn't have shit in place to deal with the mountains of shit that we have.

Yeah, it may be nice think about pre-1930s as sweet but the truth is a significant portion of the population was in poverty.

I'm not arguing that there aren't significant redundancies in government but medicare, medicaid and social security, not only help the middle class but also create demand for the upper class.

>>2063301
>but medicare, medicaid and social security, not only help the middle class

No.
Not even close.

The man promotes the gold standard. That is enough to discredit everything else.

>>206330
>> create mountains of shit with govt
>> claim more govt is the answer

Full retard

>>2063315
>>2063315
>implying the poverty rate ever gets to zero and stays there
>implying this graph doesn't show a consistent stabilization of poverty.

>>2063335
Central bank induced inflation is theft.

>>2063291
Hmmmm. I see authorization to hunt down those who attacked us. We did that. Time to come home.

>>2063344
>ignores evidence

>Tells austrians they are the "intelligent design" of economics

STAY CLASSY LIBERALS

>>2063288
>highlights statements
>give no argument
>calls other people retards
the fed redistributes money across states through fiscal transfers. Without it you guys would just be like the eurozone
A whole bunch of states stuck with the same money (even worse if pegged to the gold) but with different legislations and fiscalities.
IE a unoptimum currency area.
.

>>2063335

Implying a private bank controlling a fiat money supply isnt worse

>>2063359
im not going to explain the whole idea but thhey have all been debunked

you should read some austrian material

>>2063353
>implying Austrians care about evidence
Once again paultards don't even understand the very theories they worship.

>>2063351
>Hmmmm. I see authorization to hunt down those who attacked us. We did that. Time to come home.
Did you read the bill? I know Ronny and his supporters didn't...

By the way, how does it feel to know there hasn't been a nominee without at least 20 states won?

>>2063348

Central bank induced inflation is the best taxation since it devalues every citizen's wealth by a fixed percentage (inflation) to fund government operations. The more money you have the more its devalued. The only tax the 1% can't demand be cut.

That's right, think about what you're posting before spewing your propaganda.

>>2063396
>punish people who just want to save

BUT IT MAKES EVERYONE POORER

>>2063384
What if nobody won 20 states? No nominee?

>>2063412
>romney already has 14 states won

Whatever you say.

>>2063396

The jidf is to strong

>>2063396
I'd be fine with that if this central bank allows me as an average citizen the same loan conditions as it does to it's clients, banks.

How is it a fair tax to inflate everybody's money 1% and then give out interest free loans to banks? It isn't it is theft.

>>2063406
Inflation discourages the hoarding of money, which is terrible for any modern economy.

Anyone who claims inflation is "theft" is really just being a poor investor. No one is stopping you from buying foriegn currencies, investing in stocks, or (popular with libertarians) purchasing gold.

Only an idiot would call a fiat currency "worthless" and still hold on to it.

>>2063257

Life, the concept as you know it, does not exist. There is no soul injected into humans at conception. There is neural chemistry and a stunningly magnificent system of neurons that is the result of millions of years of natural selection. In pragmatic terms, I believe the wishes of the mother, a fully functional human being is more important than a collection of cells with no consciousness, no senses, very little brain activity. A sensible college educated adult (inb4 Santorum bullshit) shouldn't argue that an undesired fetus is more important than the mother just because your religious leader told you so.

>>2063449
> the hoarding of money, which is terrible for any modern economy.

thats a myth

keyniasns want infinite growth
which is disastrous and shouldnt be taken seriously

>>2063449

Shocker a fucking kike telling me debt is better for the economy than saving

>>2063376
>>2063376
yay because EZ is such a big success compared to USA...
also I've read some austrian shit already and one of the sole criticisme of OCA is that it still focuses an relies on fiat money which is such an horrible unmarkety thing.
ie irrelevant
Also I really agree with
>>2063190
Austrian economics were never big back when they were invented and slowly faded away in the academic field as its creators died.
Some of its production and good observations were reused and incoporated in later theoies and more modern schools.
Yet a whole bunch of fanatics keep ignoring everything that have been discovered and proved in economics by refuting it with hayekian THEORIES and "logic". these guys are overly active on the internet and most of what result of this is nonsense quite deconected of what real economic science knows.
In this sense it looks a bit like conspiracy theory or intelligent design.
Yet what Hayek an other austrian wrote has its importance in economic history and some validty. It's just not up to date and has gotten somewhat irrelevant in many fields.

>>2063456
So when do the austrians want growth to stop?

Your ignorance of economics is ecumenical.

>>2063480
saving =/= hoarding money.

>>2063435
So, can anyone tell me why inflating my money 1% by printing more, you give to your banker friends at no interest rate, is not theft?

>>2063430

Has nothing to do with my ancestry, which is Irish fyi. Uncontrolled inflation is a problem, but demand dying is worse. government needs to spend or face a global economic crisis. Capping the amount which can be spent is disastrous.

Ron Palsy isn't racist...

He just hires racists to run his newsletters that write in first person and sign his name.

He's not racist, he just makes money from racism. Totally not racist, guyz.

>>2063533
Yoi do not create real demand by printing money, you create temporary demand bubbles

See 2008

>>2063543
Implying obamas friends arent more racist