That would only work for white girls, spics are Catholic loons and they hate abortions thats why they have 40 kids and leech of welfare.

Abortion is already free anywhere that isnt the US.

>>1943606
That's why you deport their asses.

>>1943586
>free abortions

kill yourself

>>1943606 thats why they have 40 kids and leech of welfare.

I'm actually ok with Mexican kids starving to death.

Is there even any moral reason why people have the "right" to have birth control/post-natal care/welfare? The only reason I can think of is practicality. If we work on utillitarian principles, the country would actually be much better if we slaughtered anyone with an IQ far below the mean.

Also, why in an increasingly advanced society is breeding even considered a right? Why do we allow 18-year total control over a human life to do what you please without any pre-screening or certification? You need to pass a test to flip burgers, but not to raise children. Must be purely emotional/utilitarian.

In an age when morality and integrity are held in such high esteem, it saddens me to think that people can be such bad liars.

>Is there even any moral reason

Stopped reading there. If your only reason for not solving a very real problem like teen pregnancy with the only obvious and realistic solution - birth control - is arbitrary 'morality' spouted by churches, kill yourself now.

>>1943586
>free abortions

Do you know what you've said OP? Do you realise how much mad is about to enter your life?

See >>1943695

>>1944185
>not that kind of moral

"Life, Liberty, Property" moral.

>cost of free abortions
vs
>cost of WIC, schooling, welfare, & probably criminal acts by the unwanted child

>Thinking services are "free"
Typical dumb liberal scum.

>the issue of teen pregnancy

>implying they are doing it wrong

Hello, Jewtard.

>>1944209
This.

Abortion and birth control are both forms of cost control, especially to the American taxpayer.

Or you know, parents could teach their goddamn kids. Shit like this makes me rage so hard. I don't know when teen pregnancy became acceptable but it is bullshit. Back in the day if you got pregnant as a teen you would be shamed and your life would be over. Now days you just call up MTV.

>>1944255
Wrong, you were only shunned if it was a bastard child.

>>1944233
Maybe we should stop trying to compare the value of sex with money? When a young woman has a baby, the child is usually healthier than if a woman waits until she is 30 to have kids.

>>1943586
>Do you agree with making birth control more widely available?
I do, though I think such a measure would best be undertaken on a state and local level, not a convoluted bureaucratic endeavor that wastes frightful amounts of the people's money through graft, greed, mismanagement, misallocation, and simple incompetence. Each state is a "grand experiment" in governance, and if you find the policies of one state government truly repugnant, you can easily "vote with your feet," and move to another state more amiable to your beliefs. However, it is far more difficult, costly, and time-consuming to emigrate to another nation.

One over-arching policy for every single neighborhood in America is anathema to the American Experiment.

I would keep such a program as well.

>>1943586
>Abortion
Rather divided, myself. I'm torn between the mother's right to control her own body and the baby's right to life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness. I don't like the idea of murdering an innocent, yet-to-be-born person, nor do I like the idea of Shaniqua pumping out eleven kids with Tyrell, Tyrone, DeShaun, Jamal, Jamarcus, etc, for me to pay to raise. I believe it is a state issue, but I don't believe outlawing it will help. It would not make the demand for abortion go away, and would create an illegal black market for the service, making the prospect of abortion dirty and dangerous, but no less in demand.

>>1944255
>parents could help their goddamn kids raise the babies, because that is morally correct -AND- realistic.

ftfy

>>1944172

You dont know what utilitarianism means.

>>1944327
>he doesn't understand that any non-idealist system is inherently utilitarian in some way

I believe that birth control should be available, but we should encourage teen mothers to keep their babies.

imo all abortion talk should be stopped.
its fucking legal get over it.

after there are 0 kids in foster care, then we can restart this discussion

>>1944370
>but we should encourage teen mothers to keep their babies

How do you solve teen pregnancy with abortion?

Not every girl wants to get an abortion, are you implying there should be forced abortions?

>>1943586

>can't we solve problem X by throwing money at it?

LIBERALISM

>>1943586
Let the kid be in state parenthood, and jail the kid for a few years.

>>1944370

spat my tea all over my screen

what we need is a generation of kids that don't understand actions have consequences

oh wait, we're already doing that now
it created OWS

>>1946428

>yes great overlord, but where will we get the money?

WE'LL TAKE IT FROM YOU

>k lol xD

OP is on the right track but we also need to make all the services anonymous.

People also need to know about things before the shit hits the fan so the Religious Right should not be allowed to control the Sex Ed or pull their children off from the lessons.

>>1946439
what we need is a bunch of posters who haven't gotten out of high school yet and should be underage b&

In Australia, an abortion costs so many hundred dollars, however if they have the baby the government gives them $5000 in instalments. It used to be a lump sum meaning they would pop out a babby and then go buy a big television then pop out another and get a washing machine.

>>1946501
Fuck I thought they ditched that rubbish.

>>1943586
birth control for women is already plentiful and cheap. if they get pregnant, it's almost always intentional

>>1946570
buddy, if it were intentional, why would they take a contraceptive to begin with?

fucking retard.

>>1946647
it goes like this:
>date a guy and be on the pill
>stop taking pill without telling the guy
>"oops, i got pregnant somehow"
>guy has to pay massive child support for the next 18 years
>profit for the girl

Forced abortions would be ideal. These teen mothers are likely to be living on welfare for the rest of their lives, so it would be best to have abortions. It's not fiscally possible to support all these scum and it also stops the deprivation cycle.

>>1944370
Okay, don't whine when you have increased taxes to provide welfare for these cunts.

>>1946743
what? because women have every option to not get pregnant, men should pay if they decide to do so?

>>1944255
This

Prevention is better than the cure.

>>1946767
Men? Seriously, half of the time these sluts don't know who the father is and in-result live on welfare.

thread sure is lacking in pictures of pregnant teens.

>>1946832
guess where the money for that welfare comes from: men who work real jobs instead of government-subsidized make-work

ITT: /pol/sters again basing their politics on the belief that all women are evil sluts that are somehow deserving of whatever happens to them.

Too many girls want to be sluts. They don't want birth control and don't want condoms. There is no reasoning with them about it.

Yes, but you need comprehensive sexual education to prevent teen pregnancy.

>>1944255
Problem is that while some parents do that, most parents in the united states do not with the belief they will figure it out on their own once they become 18. Because of this, most children get their sexual education from their peers at school. That's why we have so many instances of teen pregnancy.

>>1946883

>>1946883
They should be more responsible and not look to the state for support.

Couldn't we solve the issue of teen pregnancy by offering free abortions and easily-accessible birth control?

No. And here is why:

With free abortions and birth control available to everyone, people will think they can be more promiscuous. But being the lazy sacks of shit that we are, people won't actually use the birth control.

more pregnancies

>free abortions
Yeah, just go find someone that's spent thousands and thousands of dollars on med school that just wants to cut fetuses out of women all day for no compensation.

Decent troll thread.

>>1946902
http://old.usccb.org/prolife/issues/contraception/contraception-fact-sheet-3-17-11.pdf

>In July 2009 results were published from an expensive three-year program at 54 sites, funded by England’s Department of Health, seeking to “reduce teenage pregnancy” through, among other things, sex education and advice on access to family planning beginning at ages 13-15. “No evidence was found that the intervention was effective in delaying heterosexual experience or reducing pregnancies.” Young women who took part in the program were more likely than those in the control group to report that they had been pregnant (16% vs. 6%) and had early heterosexual experience (58% vs. 33%).

Sex education isn't sex education. It's gathering up the kids and basically telling them "hey, you're going to have sex soon". It encourages pre-marital sex.

why dosen't the state adopt all the unwanted babies and bring them up to be model citizens

>>1947286
I'd rather cut out foetuses for a living, than supporting some chav and it's litter.

3 strikes policy for teenagers.

you get knocked up 3 times as a minor, you get sterilized.

>>1947323
I think you mis-read what I said. The OP said "free abortions".

What exactly do you think a living is?

>>1947313
>implying you want an army of brainwashed government supporters in the general populace

how about we just kill all teens? that will end all teen pregnancy.

>>1947313

Why doesn't the state adopt all of the unwanted children and gas them?

>>1947330
I'm all in favour of forced abortions and sterilisation of promiscuous teen whores, I've already stated my views.

>>1947335
That's generally the liberal solution to stuff.

http://www.buzzfeed.com/awesomer/10-things-that-are-banned-in-san-francisco

what makes me laugh is most of the people on this board who call for forced abortions and eugenics would probebly be the first under the knife. and its better they have children at a young age, evolution wise of course

>>1947353
if only we could find your mother

>>1947355
As opposed to the conservative throw-money-at-the-problem concept.

>>1947371
I literally laughed out loud

Please go look up the definition of conservative, because you are clueless.

haha

>>1947351
they're more usefull as drones

>>1947377
Let see now, conservatives want to ban abortions and let teens live on welfare.

I think anyone who has or preforms an abortion should be sterialized, they have already proven themselves imcompetent, and these unwanted children do have use, draft them into a military caste, make them state laborers, most of them are infinitly more productive then any of the neckbeards here

>>1947390
What conservatives ACTAULLY want is for people to be responsible

>>1947405
Throw money at the solution by having an oversized incompetent army that costs billions.

>>1947427
if you want to argue the cost/benifit of people, then I would ask you to justify your life and its value to the comumunity, and if you cannot do that then please prove the worth of your own ideas and kill yourself

>>1947405
People aren't robots, and would not respond well to a situation like that.

Hell, it's hard to find a kid whose parents split up that isn't fucked in the head.

>>1947422
>teens
>responsible

Most have kids and live on benefits.

>>1943586
Couldn't we solve the issue of __________ with more government?

>>1947455
[citation needed]

Anyways, what's your point? Conservatives still wish they would be more responsible.

>>1947455
you do know that the vast majoraty of public welfare does not go into child assistence but elderly care and various state medical programs, and most of that money is eaten on an administrative level

>>1947477
In reality that concept never works and they spend billions of welfare programmes, as opposed to a more direct solution i.e. forced abortion.

>>1947405
pro-choice people should be sterilized

>>1947486
>government
http://reason.com/blog/2012/03/01/medicares-77-million-anti-fraud-system-c

>>1947495
>never works
Was teen pregnancy a big problem in the 20s? Or were people just generally more responsible?

>>1947486
Well if we got rid of teens and their little cretins we will stop future expenditure on the next generation of the senile.

>>1947506
In the 20s teen mothers would lay the burden on their litter on their parents, while the whore would live life as usual.

>>1947495
So what if we have a welfare program? I've lived in a time before most of the bullshit we have now and seen places without aid, why don't you drop the atlas bullshit and come down from the mountain, nothing is ever as simple as welfare whores and druggies, if you had ever seen a place without assistance you would be horrifed

>>1947519
ok, but teen pregnancy was basically non-existent. It wasn't a problem like it is today. This is because people were more responsible back then.

>>1947525
I just moved to a heavily subsidized area.

It's about 100x shittier than the area I came from which was hardly subsidized at all.

>>1947525
I offer eugenics to solve the problem, while moralists want to whine over their "human" rights.

>>1947519
and those children grew up into productive members of society, and is that not the job of family?

>>1947527
It was existent! It wasn't reported because of the stigma involved.

>>1947534
Just so you know, someone that is truly ok with eugenics is a sociopath.

Guess how good sociopaths are for society?

>>1947532
Yeah, so its overdone there, even seen lewiston in the sixties? or rural new york before aid legislation? you live in a time when people have the luxery of complaining about to much help

>>1947542
A lot of sociopaths turn out to be successful, as opposed to teen mothers who live on welfare.

>>1947541
Did I say it was non-existent? No. I said it was basically non existent. Of course it happened.

And think about what you just said, and then think about how teen pregnancy wasn't a problem back then.

>it wasn't reported because of the stigma involved

that "stigma" is what kept the teen pregnancy numbers so low, to the point where it wasn't a problem.

Then we started glorifying whores.

>>1947556
alot of childrne of single mothers grow up to do far more then entire choirs of church boys, look at any scientist, or major author, that argument is pointless

>>1947554
Trust me man, no one around here is complaining about too much help.

>>1947556
Guess what else a lot of sociopaths turn out to be?

>>1947561
Yes.

>>1946439

>what we need is a generation of kids that don't understand actions have consequences

>oh wait, we're already doing that now
it created OWS

Action: Bankrupt company and customers.

Consequence: Still get paid and taxpayers give your company some free money.

>>1947561
It wasn't recorded, so you can't just say it was low.

>>1947556

The fuck you talking about?

A person making a rational decision about their own self interest with no consideration for the effect it has on other people? They sound like sociopaths to me.

>>1947586
then you can't say it was high either, and even if it was society could still handle it and still functioned, proving that either way our countries problems are not singles mothers, as much as you would like to scapgoat

>>1947567
"childrne of single mothers grow up to do far more" at the expense of the taxpayer.

>>1947586
I'm not speaking to the exact numbers

Please try and read what saying, I'll repeat it just in case you're one of those resource kids:

IT WASN'T A PROBLEM

THIS IMPLIES THE NUMBERS WERE LOW

>>1947542

Most nations used to have a eugenics program, including the us, canada and sweden.

>>1947606
You talking about abortion?

>>1947603

I don't know, bro. I think we'd find there was more teen pregnancy in the olden days. They'd just be married as well.

>>1947600
so what? you ever use a public road? School? Bridge? Utility workers? Police? Hospitals? no? then drop that line

>>1947599
Teen mothers create cretins, those cretins have cretins etc. There you have it, the underclass who live on welfare.

>>1947615
I don't mind my taxes going towards creating public services, but not going to teen mothers to bring up their kids.

>>1947621
So... the only way to be a full human being is to have two parents in a state aproved marraige in full confomraty to whatever social engineers say is right? you are an idiot

>>1947615
>public road
the ones around here are shitty and I'm going to have to do about 2000$ worth of work to my car because of it
>school
lol, if you are trying to defend public schools in America you are nothing but an underachiever, also delusional
>bridge
what/
>utility workers
ah yes, like on those sections of highway that are under consruction for 8 years at a time? They turn it into a speed zone despite no workers ever being there? And then when you do see workers out there they are moving slowly and holding signs?
>police
I don't have a problem with most cops, but still, fuck the police
>hospitals
nigga what?

>>1947644
Two parents who have stable incomes, yes.

>>1947631
then no public education? vaccine campaigns, and anti poverty programs?

>>1947657
while then, as soon as your parents split off to the gas chamber?

>>1947663
If they had an abortion the wouldn't have to worry.

>>1947644
>you are

>>1947672
Labour camps

>>1947675
and you wouldn't either until you get TB, then I bet you would change your tune

>>1947688
TB? I live in the UK, I'm not a nigger.

>>1947615
>government oppresses it's people, strikes their freedoms from them, steals their money, lowers their living conditions, takes away their hopes and dreams

lol it's cool guys they built a bridge one time remember?

>>1947702
>Keep government out of everything, except a womans uterus

>>1947724
>save the trees, kill the babies

ITT: conservative willing to waste money on teen mums

>>1947745
lol

>>1947750
no one likes a samefag

>>1947777
cool 7s and everything, but I wasn't samefagging I was laughing at his joke.

This is what I don't understand. Conservatives generally whine about teen abortions, then whine about increased expenditure on these teen mothers. If we had forced abortions and mass sterilisation then it wouldn't be a problem.

>>1947800
eugenics is a liberal thing, man.

>>1947745

That's not true.

They don't want to pay welfare for the family OR provide contraception. Which is fair.

Except they also want to allow businesses to dock pay if they think the employee will spend it on contraception. Which is retarded.

>>1947812
>Except they also want to allow businesses to dock pay if they think the employee will spend it on contraception.

I'm a conservative that associates with quite a few conservative people.

None of us feel that way, and I doubt I will ever meet anyone that feels that way.

>>1947800
>>1947800
I'm a liberal, And what has been talked about in this thread is just evil, it goes far beyond medical need, or decency, conservatives may be backward, but at least human when dealing with this problem, what has been suggusted is just plain murder and inhuman spite

>>1947825

How do you explain the whole Catholic hospital shitstorm?

>>1947830
>plain murder

>OH NOES DEM INOCENTS FOETUSES

>>1947841
I don't really think I can, I'm just giving you my two cents.

Although, if the government decided to tell me how to worship I would probably lose my shit as well.

Blame it on Papa Bento 16!

How about we just don't pay people just to have kids?

Why do we even do this in the first place? World population is not exactly on the decline or anything but first world governments still pay sluts to get knocked up for no other reason than... what? is there even a reason.

Why should I have to pay for their bastard offspring?

Claiming poverty? Why should I care? It's not my child, she is not my daughter or my sister or my wife. Let actions have consequences.

>>1947830
Liberals and conservatives, what's the difference?

>>1947869
Conservatives want to take over the government and leave you the fuck alone

Liberals need your money

>>1947876
But conservatives are against abortion and are willing to spend more money on them.

Whereas liberals are whining faggots.

>>1947876

Leave you the fuck alone; but only if you only want to do what they want to do. If you deviate from their ideal in any way, they will definitely want to interfere in your life.

They want a government that feels like it's doing nothing, because it's not doing anything to them. They're still perfectly happy to use it to affect other peoples behavior, and to subsidise their own lifestyle.

>>1947904
you just perfectly described liberals

>>1947913

And conservatives.

>>1947921
You don't know what the word means, then.

>>1947913
Hurr durr muhh libruls muh libruls

>>1947927
>means, then.
>ns, th
>s, t
>,
>,

>>1947927

Maybe you're thinking of how conservatives were fifty years ago. Nowadays they're in bed with religious populism, and they are very interested in legislating morality.

And besides, liberals don't want a government that feels like it's doing nothing. They want a government that does a number of things, and they are willing to pay a premium in taxes to support this.

>>1947927
Different anon
Both sides want to spend money, they just have different priorities.Conservatives spend on the military and Social programs, Libs spend on Social programs and the military.
It's why libertarianism will never work; people will always vote for government spending and over time the system grows as people vote themselves more and more benefits.

>>1947904
I'm gonna assume you're talking about something like gay marriage

With conservative leadership, marriage would have never been a state thing, and kept basically to whatever religion the ceremony takes place from.

What I'm trying to say it's the liberals own fault that gays can't get married.

>>1947958
>legislating morality
I dunno about that.

>>1947978
If you really think a conservative and a liberal would have even close to the same amount of government spending then you are beyond delusional.

>>1947986

Really? Conservatives don't support prohibition?

>>1948005
of what?

>>1948009

Of recreational drugs. They are willing to spend massive amounts of money and endure the erosion of our rights and liberties in order to punish people who use recreational drugs.

Couldn't we solve the issue of teen pregnancy by offering free murders of girls who get pregnant?

>>1948027
Perhaps you are thinking of republicans?

A true conservative does not give a shit what you put in your body until it starts affecting him (the conservative) negatively in some way.

And I'm sorry, but encroaching on another person isn't right.

The eugenics guy is neither a conservative or liberal, he's a National Socialist.

>>1948049

Why would you continue calling yourself a conservative when the term no longer means what you want it to mean? And why would you also use the term liberal to describe what it currently means, rather than what it used to mean? Pick one, either stop using conservative for yourself, or stop using liberal to describe the Democratic position.

>>1948076
Sorry, Jon Stewart can't change the meaning of the word.

>>1948086

What do you mean? Modern conservatives support prohibition. Modern liberals support welfare. These are not the traditional positions of people who used to call themselves those things.

>>1948099
And what I'm telling you is that I know quite a few conservatives that would laugh at you right now, because they are real conservatives.

What I mean is that you are getting your politics from comedy central so you're probably misinformed.