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    57 KB Anonymous 02/28/12(Tue)05:13 No.1862993  
    >> Anonymous 02/28/12(Tue)05:14 No.1863003
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    >> Anonymous 02/28/12(Tue)05:15 No.1863007
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    >> Anonymous 02/28/12(Tue)05:16 No.1863016
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    >> Anonymous 02/28/12(Tue)05:17 No.1863023
    I can't believe I used to believe this scheiße
    >> Anonymous 02/28/12(Tue)05:18 No.1863030
    A cartoon
    A cartoon, thats how polfags debate and claim their point
    Bring me sources please and I shall change my point of view
    >> Anonymous 02/28/12(Tue)05:18 No.1863035
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    >> Anonymous 02/28/12(Tue)05:18 No.1863036
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    >> Anonymous 02/28/12(Tue)05:19 No.1863043
    >>1863030

    Here you go: http://codoh.com/gcgv/gcgvtyph.html
    >> Anonymous 02/28/12(Tue)05:20 No.1863047
    >>1863030
    >humour as a tool to bypass the defense mechanisms of social taboos
    >> Anonymous 02/28/12(Tue)05:21 No.1863057
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    >> Anonymous 02/28/12(Tue)05:22 No.1863066
    >>1863043
    Ok dude
    Thats not a serious source
    Gtfo now.
    >> Anonymous 02/28/12(Tue)05:24 No.1863075
    According to the Bible, white people come from Mars.
    >> Anonymous 02/28/12(Tue)05:25 No.1863079
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    >> Anonymous 02/28/12(Tue)05:25 No.1863082
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    >> Anonymous 02/28/12(Tue)05:26 No.1863083
    >>1863057
    I hope you're trolling with this picture.. Whats the point here?
    Seriously get a life bro
    >> Anonymous 02/28/12(Tue)05:26 No.1863087
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    >> Anonymous 02/28/12(Tue)05:27 No.1863095
    >>1863083
    What is the point of exposing fake pictures?

    Well duh Imma give you a while to figure that one out.
    >> Anonymous 02/28/12(Tue)05:28 No.1863102
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    >> Anonymous 02/28/12(Tue)05:29 No.1863107
    >>1863095
    I'm sure you don't even know where this comes from
    you ignorant fuck
    >> Anonymous 02/28/12(Tue)05:29 No.1863108
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    >> Anonymous 02/28/12(Tue)05:29 No.1863111
    >>1863030

    Holocaust denial is explicitly or implicitly illegal in 17 countries: Austria, Belgium, Canada, Czech Republic, France, Germany, Hungary, Israel, Liechtenstein, Lithuania, Luxembourg, Netherlands, Poland, Portugal, Romania, Slovakia, and Switzerland.
    From wiki

    How are we supposed to find sources if it is illegal?
    >> Anonymous 02/28/12(Tue)05:31 No.1863121
    >>1863107
    I don't give a fuck where what comes from?

    You seem upset, I think you have an emotional bias you need to overcome if any meaningful discussion of this topic is going to happen with you.
    >> Anonymous 02/28/12(Tue)05:31 No.1863127
    >>1863111
    Lol noob theres no source of your bullshit because you read it on a shitty site wrote by a 12years old fag doesnt mean it's true

    litteraly moron
    >> Anonymous 02/28/12(Tue)05:32 No.1863132
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    >> Anonymous 02/28/12(Tue)05:32 No.1863134
    >>1863079
    Oh come on.
    >> Anonymous 02/28/12(Tue)05:32 No.1863135
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    >>1863121
    Yeah right moron, im probably a jew spy
    >> Anonymous 02/28/12(Tue)05:34 No.1863146
    seriously what kind of stupid idiot can fall for these pictures

    i seriously hope this guy is trolling hard
    >> Anonymous 02/28/12(Tue)05:34 No.1863148
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    >> Anonymous 02/28/12(Tue)05:34 No.1863153
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    >>1863127
    Very upset. Let me guess, your grandmother is a holocaust "survivor"
    >> Anonymous 02/28/12(Tue)05:36 No.1863164
    http://nizkor.org/features/qar/

    120...Oops...66 Questions & Answers About the Holocaust
    Nizkor's response to the Institute for Historical Review & Ernst Zündel

    Have fun reading this.
    >> Anonymous 02/28/12(Tue)05:36 No.1863166
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    >>1863153
    oh boy

    0/10 finally
    >> Anonymous 02/28/12(Tue)05:36 No.1863167
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    >> Anonymous 02/28/12(Tue)05:36 No.1863168
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    >> Anonymous 02/28/12(Tue)05:37 No.1863174
    >>1863057

    57. What about the numerous photographs and footage taken in the German concentration camps showing piles of emaciated corpses? Are these faked?

    The IHR says:

    Photographs can be faked, yes. But it's far easier merely to add a caption or comment to a photo or a piece of footage that does not tell the truth about what that photo or film actually shows. Does a pile of emaciated corpses mean that these people were "gassed" or deliberately starved to death? Or could this mean that these people were victims of a raging typhus epidemic or starved due to the lack of food in the camps toward the end of the war? Pictures of piles of German women and children killed in Allied bombing raids have been passed off as dead Jews.

    Nizkor replies:

    It's strange that the IHR says that piles of dead bodies are not evidence that the Nazis practiced genocide. In the original answer to question 1, they mention "piles of clothes" and imply that if there were such things, they would indeed be proof. Piles of clothes are proof, but piles of bodies are not?

    We also see here the implicit claim that the Allied soldiers went and collected dead Germans, brought them to the camps, and photographed them there. Some evidence to back up this absurdity would be nice, but of course there is none.

    The many starved people are evidence that the Nazis did not make feeding their prisoners a very high priority. At the Belsen camp, hundreds of tons of food were found locked up, just a few miles away from where tens of thousands starved to death. See question 37 for a bit more on this topic.

    As for the homicidal gas chambers, there are other pieces of evidence that point clearly to their existence and usage. See question 1, for starters.
    >> Anonymous 02/28/12(Tue)05:37 No.1863179
    >>1863146
    >seriously what kind of stupid idiot can fall for these pictures
    Young white children who are confronted with these pictures to make sure they grow up as guilt ridden kike supporters.
    >> Anonymous 02/28/12(Tue)05:37 No.1863180
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    >>1863164
    Nice job, I could make a site better than this shit. This was written by a paranoid fuck like you

    You are pathetic
    >> Anonymous 02/28/12(Tue)05:38 No.1863182
    >>1863164
    Also this - http://hdot.org/

    Holocaust denial debunked - by the Emory university. But obviously MS-paint cartoons are a more reliable source then a university research. After all , intelligence is a Jewish conspiracy.
    >> Anonymous 02/28/12(Tue)05:38 No.1863191
    ITT: People posting "fake photos" that were manufactured by white supremacists to use as black propaganda.
    >> Anonymous 02/28/12(Tue)05:38 No.1863193
    >>1863174
    You talk about photographs.

    Tons, even.

    But you do not post a single one.

    Instead you expect us to rely on your word.
    >> Anonymous 02/28/12(Tue)05:39 No.1863198
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    >>1863174
    zzz

    dude.
    really?
    >> Anonymous 02/28/12(Tue)05:40 No.1863202
    My grandfather was tortured to death in Auschwitz!
    >> Anonymous 02/28/12(Tue)05:45 No.1863243
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    >> Anonymous 02/28/12(Tue)05:45 No.1863248
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    >> Anonymous 02/28/12(Tue)05:45 No.1863250
    >>1863193

    http://nizkor.org/features/qar/qar57.html
    >> Anonymous 02/28/12(Tue)05:47 No.1863259
    >>1863243

    "You know you have control of your people when they rise up to defend your right to lie to them, to torture them, to detain them and to kill them."
    >> Anonymous 02/28/12(Tue)05:47 No.1863263
    >>1863250
    Doesn't look like a photograph to me.
    >> Anonymous 02/28/12(Tue)05:49 No.1863277
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    >> Anonymous 02/28/12(Tue)05:49 No.1863281
    >>1863243

    Holocaust denial is illegal in these countries because it is illegal to spread lies and misinformation in these nations.

    "But the holohoax didn't happen!"

    Yes it did. No, those photos you made up and passed off as evidence used to prove the holocaust don't count. Yes, those photos are real. Yes, those testimonies are real. Yes, those camps are real.

    The holocaust happened, deal with it.
    >> Anonymous 02/28/12(Tue)05:50 No.1863294
    >>1863263

    That's because you didn't read that website.

    But you won't, since it would force you to face the fact that the holocaust happened and that the jews are not actually after you and that the only one to blame for your shitty life is you.
    >> Anonymous 02/28/12(Tue)05:51 No.1863303
    >>1863281
    So it's "the truth" because you said so.

    Hey everybody, this jew said something, lets make it illegal to disagree with him.

    LOL.
    >> Anonymous 02/28/12(Tue)05:52 No.1863310
    >>1863281
    >because it is illegal to spread lies and misinformation in these nations.
    no

    You might want to back up your claim with a little source, right?
    >> Anonymous 02/28/12(Tue)05:52 No.1863313
    >>1863294
    I read it. I saw no photographs. I saw some lameass response to perfectly reasonable skepticism.
    >> Anonymous 02/28/12(Tue)05:53 No.1863316
    HOLOHOAX ISN'T REAL!!! DON'T BELIEVE JOOS

    IF THERE ISN'T A JEWISH CONSPIRACY THEN HOW COME I'M STILL A LOSER?
    >> Anonymous 02/28/12(Tue)05:54 No.1863324
    >>1863303
    >>1863310
    http://hdot.org/
    http://hdot.org/
    http://hdot.org/
    http://hdot.org/
    http://hdot.org/
    http://hdot.org/
    >> Anonymous 02/28/12(Tue)05:54 No.1863326
    >>1863243

    >Since when is it illegal to question or investigate an event? Since when is it illegal to have an opinion?

    Except questioning and investigating aren't illegal, just claiming that the holocaust didn't happen without anything to back yourself up except lies and slander.

    What you want to do isn't question it, you want to "unevent" it. You want to rewrite history. It's doublethink, and no one will accept it.
    >> Anonymous 02/28/12(Tue)05:55 No.1863336
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    If you're wondering why these faggots keep tiptoeing around the subject, it's because they have no interest in actually discussing it.

    They simply want to you to blindly accept their side as the truth.
    >> Anonymous 02/28/12(Tue)05:57 No.1863351
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    hmm 6 million.

    sounds familiar.
    >> Anonymous 02/28/12(Tue)05:57 No.1863352
    >>1863336
    http://hdot.org/

    EVERY SINGLE CLAIM/PICTURE YOU USE IS DEBUNKED IN THIS WEBSITE.

    Crematorium capacities , Zyklon B residue , everything. check it out , faggot.

    Who am i kidding? You won't. You'll just keep posting those pictures no matter what.
    >> Anonymous 02/28/12(Tue)05:58 No.1863363
    OP IS VIRGIN! JEWS ARE GODS CHOSEN PEOPLE AND THAT IS WHY OP IS MAD!
    >> Anonymous 02/28/12(Tue)05:58 No.1863364
    >>1863336

    http://nizkor.org/features/qar/qar01.html
    >> Anonymous 02/28/12(Tue)05:59 No.1863371
    >>1863326
    Why does the Holocaust get special treatment?

    Is it because it's a fraud that can't survive any scrutiny?
    >> Anonymous 02/28/12(Tue)06:00 No.1863375
    >>1863364

    1. What proof exists that the Nazis practiced genocide or deliberately killed six million Jews?

    The IHR says (original, Samisdat, and revised versions combined):

    None. The only evidence is the postwar testimony of individual "survivors." This testimony is contradictory, and no "survivor" claims to have actually witnessed any gassing. There are no contemporaneous documents and no hard evidence whatsoever: no mounds of ashes, no crematoria capable of disposing of millions of corpses, no piles of clothes, no human soap, no lamp shades made of human skin, no records, no credible demographic statistics.
    >> Anonymous 02/28/12(Tue)06:02 No.1863391
    >>1863281
    >Holocaust denial is illegal in these countries because it is illegal to spread lies and misinformation in these nations.

    That is plainly not true
    >> Anonymous 02/28/12(Tue)06:03 No.1863399
    >>1863352
    How about you start posting examples instead of links?

    How exactly can you debunk a picture exposing a fake photograph?

    How can you debunk a picture exposing the crazy nonsense of the "testimonies".

    I'd like to see you try.

    You just talk shit, and you know it.
    >> Anonymous 02/28/12(Tue)06:03 No.1863401
    >>1863371

    It's not getting any special treatment.

    Go and try to claim that Napoleon actually won at Waterloo, that the WTC is still standing in New York, that a nuclear bomb wasn't used on Hiroshima, that the Japanese never attacked Pearl Harbor. Unless you come and present something extremely convincing, you're going to be called a retard and people will move on. Same for the Holocaust. Except denying the holocaust is more tempting for a lot of people, now try and guess why.
    >> Anonymous 02/28/12(Tue)06:03 No.1863406
    >>1863375
    Well that seems unlikely. You'd think they'd have at least one jewshade.
    >> Anonymous 02/28/12(Tue)06:04 No.1863407
    >>1863375

    Nizkor replies:

    Lie piled upon lie, with not a shred of proof.

    This is as good a place as any to present some detailed evidence which is consistently ignored, as a sort of primer on Holocaust denial. It will make this reply much longer than the other sixty-five, but perhaps the reader will understand the necessity for this.

    Let's look at their claims one at a time:
    >> Anonymous 02/28/12(Tue)06:04 No.1863414
    >>1863401
    None of these things have laws prohibitng them.

    Now why is that?

    Why are researchers and historians jailed for "denial"?
    >> Anonymous 02/28/12(Tue)06:04 No.1863416
    >>1863407

    Supposedly the only evidence, "the postwar testimony of individual survivors."

    First of all, consider the implicit conspiracy theory. Notice how the testimony of every single inmate of every Nazi camp is automatically dismissed as unconvincing. This total dismissal of inmates' testimony, along with the equally-total dismissal of the Nazis' own testimony (!), is the largest unspoken assumption of Holocaust-denial.

    This assumption, which is not often spelled out, is that the attempted Jewish genocide never took place, but rather that a secret conspiracy of Jews, starting around 1941, planted and forged myriad documents to prove that it did; then, after the war, they rounded up all the camp survivors and told them what to say.

    The conspirators also supposedly managed to torture hundreds of key Nazis into confessing to crimes which they never committed, or into framing their fellow Nazis for those crimes, and to plant hundreds of documents in Nazi files which were never discovered until after the war, and only then, in many cases, by sheer luck. Goebbels' diary, for example, was barely rescued from being sold as 7,000 pages of scrap paper, but buried in the scattered manuscript were several telling entries (as translated in Lochner, The Goebbels Diaries, 1948, pp. 86, 147-148):
    >> Anonymous 02/28/12(Tue)06:06 No.1863422
    >>1863416

    February 14, 1942: The Führer once again expressed his determination to clean up the Jews in Europe pitilessly. There must be no squeamish sentimentalism about it. The Jews have deserved the catastrophe that has now overtaken them. Their destruction will go hand in hand with the destruction of our enemies. We must hasten this process with cold ruthlessness.

    March 27, 1942: The procedure is a pretty barbaric one and not to be described here more definitely. Not much will remain of the Jews. On the whole it can be said that about 60 per cent of them will have to be liquidated whereas only 40 per cent can be used for forced labor.

    Michael Shermer has pointed out that the Nazis' own estimate of the number of European Jews was eleven million, and sixty percent of eleven million is 6.6 million. This is fairly close to the actual figure. (Actually, forty percent was a serious overestimate of the survival rate of Jews who were captured, but there were many Jews who escaped.)

    In any case, most of the diary is quite mundane, and interesting only to historians. Did the supposed Jewish conspiracy forge seven thousand pages to insert just a few lines? How did they manage to know Goebbels' affairs intimately enough to avoid contradictions, e.g. putting him or his associates in the wrong city at the wrong date?
    >> Anonymous 02/28/12(Tue)06:07 No.1863430
    >>1863401

    Theres a big difference between being called a retard and being thrown into jail.
    >> Anonymous 02/28/12(Tue)06:07 No.1863431
    >>1863414

    None of these things have laws prohibiting them because denying them is only likely to get you called a retard while people are still trying to make people forget about the holocaust in an effort to get things started again.

    And they got jailed for lying.
    >> Anonymous 02/28/12(Tue)06:08 No.1863434
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    >>1863416
    >> Anonymous 02/28/12(Tue)06:08 No.1863435
    ITT: Stormfags get debunked by professionals , yet we all know they will still post the same bullshit again regardless.

    I implore everyone who watches this , go to - http://hdot.org/ , wait for an holocaust denial thread , find and obviously false claim , confront the stormfag , AND WATCH HOW HE STILL POSTS THE SAME THING TOMORROW , AND THE NEXT DAY TOO.
    >> Anonymous 02/28/12(Tue)06:08 No.1863438
    >>1863422

    As even the revisionist David Cole has admitted, revisionists have yet to provide a satisfactory explanation of this document.

    Regarding postwar testimony from Nazis, were they all tortured into confessing to heinous crimes which they supposedly did not commit? This might be believable if only a few Nazis were captured after the war, or maybe if some had courageously stood up in court and shouted to the world about the supposed attempt to silence them. But hundreds testified regarding the Holocaust, in trials dating from late 1945 until the 1960s. (For example, see Böck, Hofmann, Hössler, Klein, Münch, and Stark.)

    Many of these Nazis testified as witnesses and were not accused of crimes. What was the basis for their supposed coercion?

    Many of these trials were in German courts. Did the Germans torture their own countrymen? Well, Holocaust-deniers sometimes claim that the Jews have secretly infiltrated the German government and control everything about it. They prefer not to talk too much about this theory, however, because it is clearly on the lunatic fringe.

    The main point is that not one of these supposed torture victims -- in fifty years, not one -- has come forth to support the claim that testimony was coerced.
    >> Anonymous 02/28/12(Tue)06:09 No.1863444
    >while people are still trying to make people forget about the holocaust in an effort to get things started again.

    Paranoid schizophrenia.

    TO PREVENT PEOPLE FROM KILLING ME, DISAGREEING WITH ME SHOULD BE ILLEGAL.
    >> Anonymous 02/28/12(Tue)06:09 No.1863446
    >>1863438

    On the contrary, confirmation and reconfirmation of their testimony has continued across the years. What coercion could have convinced Judge Konrad Morgen to testify to the crimes he witnessed at the International Nuremberg Trial in 1946, where he was not accused of any crime? And to later testify at the Auschwitz trial at Frankfurt, Germany, in 1963-65? What coercion was applied to SS Doctor Johann Kremer to make him testify in his own defense in 1947, and then, after having been convicted in both Poland and Germany, emerge after his release to testify again as a witness at the Frankfurt trial? What coercion was applied to Böck, Gerhard Hess, Hölblinger, Storch, and Wiebeck, all former SS men, all witnesses at Frankfurt, none accused of any crime there?

    Holocaust-deniers point to small discrepancies in testimonies to try to discredit them. The assumption, unstated, is that the reader will accept minor discrepancies as evidence of a vast, over-reaching Jewish conspiracy. This is clearly ludicrous.

    In fact, the discrepancies and minor errors in detail argue against, not for, the conspiracy theory. Why would the conspirators have given different information to different Nazis? In fact, if all the testimonies, from the Nazis' to the inmates', sounded too similar, it is certain that the Holocaust-deniers would cite that as evidence of a conspiracy.
    >> Anonymous 02/28/12(Tue)06:10 No.1863450
    >>1863446

    What supposed coercion could reach across four decades, to force former SS-Untersturmführer Dr. Hans Münch to give an interview, against the will of his family, on Swedish television? In the 1981 interview, he talked about Auschwitz:

    Interviewer: Isn't the ideology of extermination contrary to a doctor's ethical values?

    Münch: Yes, absolutely. There is no discussion. But I lived in that environment, and I tried in every possible way to avoid accepting it, but I had to live with it. What else could I have done? And I wasn't confronted with it directly until the order came that I and my superior and another one had to take part in the exterminations since the camp's doctors were overloaded and couldn't cope with it.

    Interviewer: I must ask something. Doubters claim that "special treatment" could mean anything. It didn't have to be extermination.

    Münch: "Special treatment" in the terminology of the concentration camp means physical extermination. If it was a question of more than a few people, where nothing else than gassing them was worthwhile, they were gassed.

    Interviewer: "Special treatment" was gassing?

    Münch: Yes, absolutely.
    >> Anonymous 02/28/12(Tue)06:11 No.1863453
    >>1863444

    It's not paranoia when it's true.
    >> Anonymous 02/28/12(Tue)06:11 No.1863455
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    6 million again.

    hmm I'm starting to see a pattern.
    >> Anonymous 02/28/12(Tue)06:12 No.1863459
    >>1863450

    And what supposed coercion could reach across four decades, to force former SS-Unterscharführer Franz Suchomel into giving an interview for the film Shoah? Speaking under (false) promises of anonymity, he told of the crimes committed at the Treblinka death camp (from the book Shoah, Claude Lanzmann, 1985, p. 54):

    Interviewer: You are a very important eyewitness, and you can explain what Treblinka was.

    Suchomel: But don't use my name.

    Interviewer: No, I promised. All right, you've arrived at Treblinka.

    Suchomel: So Stadie, the sarge, showed us the camps from end to end. Just as we went by, they were opening the gas-chamber doors, and people fell out like potatoes. Naturally, that horrified and appalled us. We went back and sat down on our suitcases and cried like old women.

    Each day one hundred Jews were chosen to drag the corpses to the mass graves. In the evening the Ukrainians drove those Jews into the gas chambers or shot them. Every day!
    >> Anonymous 02/28/12(Tue)06:12 No.1863461
    >>1863450
    >>1863446
    >>1863438
    >>1863422
    >>1863416

    JIDF , FUUU---- I CAN'T TAKE ALL OF THIS RATIONAL DEBATE :(((((

    MUH HOLOHOAX HURR DURR I'M A STORM
    >> Anonymous 02/28/12(Tue)06:12 No.1863466
    >>1863453
    Again, you present your paranoid delusion as the truth.

    Clearly you are psychotic.
    >> Anonymous 02/28/12(Tue)06:13 No.1863469
    >>1863431

    So your saying Holocaust denial gets special treatment because people are trying to forget about it?

    Only before you were denying that holocaust denial gets special treatment.
    >> Anonymous 02/28/12(Tue)06:13 No.1863471
    >>1863459

    Ask the deniers why they shrug off the testimony of Franz Suchomel. Greg Raven will tell you that "it is not evidence...bring me some evidence, please." Others will tell you that Suchomel and Münch were crazy, or hallucinating, or fantasizing.

    But the fantasy is obviously in the minds of those who choose to ignore the mass of evidence and believe instead in a hypothetical conspiracy, supported by nothing but their imaginations.

    That total lack of evidence is why the "conspiracy assumption" almost always remains an unspoken assumption. To our knowledge, there has not been one single solitary "revisionist" paper, article, speech, pamphlet, book, audiotape, videotape, or newsletter which provides any details about this supposed Jewish/Zionist conspiracy which did all the dirty work. Not one.

    At best, the denial literature makes veiled references to the World Jewish Congress perpetuating a "hoax" (in Butz, 1976) -- no details are provided. Yet the entire case of Holocaust-denial rests on this supposed conspiracy.

    As for the testimony of the survivors, which the "revisionists" claim is the only evidence, there are indeed numerous testimonies to gassings and other forms of atrocities, from Jewish inmates who survived the camps, and also from other inmates like POWs. Many of the prisoners that testified about the gassing are not Jewish, of course. Look for instance at the testimony of Polish officer Zenon Rozansky about the first homicidal gassing in Auschwitz, in which 850 Russian POWs were gassed to death, in Reitlinger, The Final Solution, p. 154:
    >> Anonymous 02/28/12(Tue)06:13 No.1863473
    >>1863461
    Walls of text lecturing about how stupid you are for not accepting wild claims on no other basis than blind faith is what constitutes a rational debate in your mind?

    You crazy.
    >> Anonymous 02/28/12(Tue)06:14 No.1863476
    >>1863471

    Those who were propped against the door leant with a curious stiffness and then fell right at our feet, striking their faces hard against the concrete floor. Corpses! Corpses standing bolt upright and filling the entire corridor of the bunker, till they were packed so tight that it was impossible for more to fall.

    Which of the "revisionists" will deny this? Which of them was there? Which of them has the authority to tell Rozansky what he did or did not see?

    The statement that "no 'survivor' claims to have actually witnessed any gassing" is clearly false; this was changed to "few survivors" in later versions, which is close to the truth.

    But we do not need to rely solely on testimony, from the survivors, Nazis, or otherwise. Many wartime documents, not postwar descriptions, specifically regarding gassings and other atrocities, were seized by the U.S. armed forces. Most are in the National Archives in Washington, D.C.; some are in Germany.
    >> Anonymous 02/28/12(Tue)06:14 No.1863479
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    What's this? Using facts , sources and professional research?

    JIDF DETECTED!
    >> Anonymous 02/28/12(Tue)06:15 No.1863482
    >>1863473

    Oh look, they're plugging their ears and singing loudly. Cute.
    >> Anonymous 02/28/12(Tue)06:16 No.1863488
    Now our jewish friends are telling you to believe the testimonies because otherwise would be simply Ludicrous.

    That's right, if you don't believe this, people will laugh at you.

    How nice of our jewish friends to let us know.
    >> Anonymous 02/28/12(Tue)06:16 No.1863489
    >>1863476

    Regarding the gassing vans, precursors to the gas chambers, we find, for example, a top secret document from SS Untersturmführer Becker to SS Obersturmbannführer Rauff (from Nazi Conspiracy and Aggression, 1946, Vol. I, pp. 999-1001):

    If it has rained for instance for only one half hour, the van cannot be used because it simply skids away. It can only be used in absolutely dry weather. It is only a question now whether the van can only be used standing at the place of execution. First the van has to be brought to that place, which is possible only in good weather. ...

    The application of gas usually is not undertaken correctly. In order to come to an end as fast as possible, the driver presses the accelerator to the fullest extent. By doing that the persons to be executed suffer death from suffocation and not death by dozing off as was planned. My directions now have proved that by correct adjustment of the levers death comes faster and the prisoners fall asleep peacefully.
    >> Anonymous 02/28/12(Tue)06:17 No.1863494
    The Holocaust serves as the mainweapon to force Whites to be obedient.

    Without it Jews could have never conquered our media, banks and major parts of the political spectrum.

    Even the whiteguilt cult over blacks of the 60s wouldn't have been possible without that story. Everything is based on the Holocaust.
    >> Anonymous 02/28/12(Tue)06:17 No.1863495
    >>1863476
    Dude , you're wasting your time. If stormfags had a brain and could manage a rational discussion , they wouldn't be stormfags.

    They are just going to post the same things again and again no matter what you say.
    >> Anonymous 02/28/12(Tue)06:17 No.1863497
    >>1863489
    This top secret document?

    Has any independent research been done on it?

    I thought so.

    Walls of text, zero substance.
    >> Anonymous 02/28/12(Tue)06:18 No.1863498
    >>1863489

    And Just wrote of the gas vans to Rauff, on June 5, 1942, in a letter marked both "top secret" and "only copy". This is a horrific masterpiece of Nazi double-talk, referring to killing as "processing" and the victims as "subjects" and "the load." (See Kogon, Nazi Mass Murder, 1993, pp. 228-235.)

    Since December 1941, for example, 97,000 were processed using three vans, without any faults occurring in the vehicles. ...

    The normal capacity of the vans is nine to ten per square meter. The capacity of the larger special Saurer vans is not so great. The problem is not one of overloading but of off-road maneuverability on all terrains, which is severely diminished in this van. It would appear that a reduction in the cargo area is necessary. This can be achieved by shortening the compartment by about one meter. The problem cannot be solved by merely reducing the number of subject treated, as has been done so far. For in this case a longer running time is required, as the empty space also needs to be filled with CO [the poison exhaust gas]. ...

    Greater protection is needed for the lighting system. The grille should cover the lamps high enough up to make it impossible to break the bulbs. It seems that these lamps are hardly ever turned on, so the users have suggested that they could be done away with. Experience shows, however, that when the back door is closed and it gets dark inside, the load pushes hard against the door. The reason for this is that when it becomes dark inside, the load rushes toward what little light remains. This hampers the locking of the door. It has also been noticed that the noise provoked by the locking of the door is linked to the fear aroused by the darkness.
    >> Anonymous 02/28/12(Tue)06:19 No.1863506
    >>1863497

    It's widely available, and it has been studied. But I guess all the people who looked at it were jews, and everyone who gave them their diplomas and positions were jews, and it was actually made by jews.

    And it was all planned before the war happened.
    >> Anonymous 02/28/12(Tue)06:19 No.1863508
    >>1863497

    Translation:

    >Youtube videos are legitimate sources, but actual books are not.
    >> Anonymous 02/28/12(Tue)06:19 No.1863509
    >>1863497
    Why has these "documents" never been the subject on any serious investigation you ask?

    Because it's illegal to go by the standpoint that the holocaust is not 100% eternal truth.

    Truth does not fear investigation.
    >> Anonymous 02/28/12(Tue)06:20 No.1863513
    >>1863489
    >If it has rained for instance for only one half hour, the van cannot be used because it simply skids away.

    JEWHAT?
    >> Anonymous 02/28/12(Tue)06:20 No.1863516
    >>1863506
    Lol dude , you're wasting your time. The stormfags don't give a shit , they just want to bash Jews.
    >> Anonymous 02/28/12(Tue)06:20 No.1863517
    >>1863498

    Slip-ups occurred in written correspondence regarding the gas chambers themselves, some of which, fortunately, escaped destruction and were found after the war. A memo written to SS man Karl Bischoff on November 27, 1942 describes the gas chamber in Krema II not with the usual mundane name of "Leichenkeller," but rather as the "Sonderkeller" "special cellar."

    And two months later, on January 29, 1943, Bischoff wrote a memo to Kammler, referring to that same chamber as the "Vergasungskeller." (See Gutman, Anatomy of the Auschwitz Death Camp, 1994, pp. 223, 227.) "Vergasungskeller" means exactly what it sounds like: "gassing cellar," an underground gas chamber.

    Holocaust-deniers turn to Arthur Butz, who provides a specious explanation for the Vergasungskeller: "Vergasung," he says, cannot refer to killing people with gas, but only to the process of converting a solid or liquid into gas. Therefore, he says the "Vergasungskeller," must have been a special room where the fuel for the Auschwitz ovens was converted into gas -- a "gasification cellar."

    There are three problems with this explanation. First, "Vergasung" certainly can refer to killing people with gas; Butz does not speak German and he should not try to lecture about the language. Second, there is no room that could possibly serve this function which Butz describes -- years after writing his book, he admitted this, and helplessly suggested that there might be another building somewhere in the camp that might house a gasification cellar. Third, the type of oven used at Auschwitz did not require any gasification process! The ovens burned solid fuel. (See Gutman, op. cit., pp. 184-193.)
    >> Anonymous 02/28/12(Tue)06:21 No.1863527
    >>1863508
    Actual books like the ones written by Ernst Zûndel?

    Oh that's right. He served 5 years in jail(more than most convicted pedophiles) for "denying" the holocaust.
    >> Anonymous 02/28/12(Tue)06:21 No.1863528
    CARTOONS WITH NAME-CALLING AND OFFENSIVE CARICATURES = ABSOLUTE TRUTH!

    BOOKS , DOCUMENTS , TESTIMONIES = JEWISH LIES!
    >> Anonymous 02/28/12(Tue)06:22 No.1863534
    >>1863495

    I'm still gonna do it, just to show them that no one with a brain will believe their bullshit.

    >>1863469

    Except no one has gone to great lengths to try and turn these other historical events into unevents. No one has tried to spread misinformation about them, no one has forged documents to make them appear fake, etc.
    >> Anonymous 02/28/12(Tue)06:23 No.1863539
    >>1863517

    So what does the term "gassing cellar" refer to? Holocaust-deniers have yet to offer any believable explanation.

    An inventory, again captured after the war, revealed fourteen showerheads and one gas-tight door listed for the gas chamber in Krema III. Holocaust-deniers claim that room was a morgue; they do not offer to explain what use a morgue has for showerheads and a gas-tight door. (See a photograph of the document, or Pressac, Auschwitz: Technique and Operation, 1989, pp. 231, 438.)

    A memo from the Auschwitz construction office, dated March 31, 1943, says (Hilberg, Documents of Destruction, 1971, pp. 207-208):

    We take this occasion to refer to another order of March 6, 1943, for the delivery of a gas door 100/192 for Leichenkeller 1 of Krema III, Bw 30a, which is to be built in the manner and according to the same measure as the cellar door of the opposite Krema II, with peep hole of double 8 millimeter glass encased in rubber. This order is to be viewed as especially urgent....
    >> Anonymous 02/28/12(Tue)06:23 No.1863544
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    >>1863528
    Some are so offended by nakedness that they fear naked truth.
    >> Anonymous 02/28/12(Tue)06:24 No.1863548
    >Finds book denying holocaust
    >Author in prison

    "Why don't you have any book stormfags"
    >> Anonymous 02/28/12(Tue)06:24 No.1863549
    >>1863539

    Why would morgues have urgently needed peepholes made out of a double layer of third-of-an-inch-thick glass?

    The question of whether it can be proved that the cyanide gas was used in the Auschwitz gas chambers has intruiged the deniers. Their much-heralded Leuchter Report, for example, expends a great deal of effort on the question of whether traces of cyanide residue remain there today. But we do not need to look for chemical traces to confirm cyanide use (Gutman, op. cit., p. 229):

    Letters and telegrams exchanged on February 11 and 12 [1943] between the Zentralbauleitung and Topf mention a wooden blower for Leichenkeller 1. This reference confirms the use of the morgue as a gas chamber: Bischoff and Prüfer thought that the extraction of air mixed with concentrated prussic acid [cyanide] (20 g per cu m) required a noncorroding ventilator.

    Bischoff and Prüfer turned out to be wrong, and a metal fan ended up working acceptably well. But the fact that they thought it necessary demonstrates that cyanide was to be routinely used in the rooms which deniers call morgues. (Cyanide is useless for disinfecting morgues, as it does not kill bacteria.)

    Other captured documents, even if they don't refer directly to some part of the extermination process, refer to it by implication. A captured memo to SS-Brigadeführer Kammler reveals that the expected incineration capacity of the Auschwitz ovens was a combined total of 4,756 corpses per day (see a photograph of the document or Kogon, op. cit., p. 157).
    >> Anonymous 02/28/12(Tue)06:25 No.1863558
    >>1863527

    >Ernst Zûndel

    You mean the idiot who rested his defense on the "expert scientific testimony" of a man who has a bachelors degree in history and no formal training in chemistry whatsoever?

    THAT Ernst Zûndel?

    Nothing of value was lost.
    >> Anonymous 02/28/12(Tue)06:25 No.1863559
    >>1863549

    Deniers often claim that this total could not be achieved in practice (see question 45). That's not the point. These crematoria were carefully designed, in 1942, to have sufficient capacity to dispose of 140,000 corpses per month -- in a camp that housed only 125,000. We can conclude that massive deaths were predicted, indeed planned-for, as early as mid-1942. A camp designed to incinerate its full capacity of inmates every four weeks is not merely a detention center.

    Finally, apart from the abundant testimonies, confessions, and physical evidence of the extermination process, there is certainly no want of evidence of the Nazis' intentions and plans.

    Here are just a few examples. Hans Frank's diary (from Nazi Conspiracy and Aggression, 1946, Vol. I, pp. 992, 994):

    But what should be done with the Jews? Do you think they will be settled down in the 'Ostland' [eastern territories], in [resettlement] villages? This is what we were told in Berlin: Why all this bother? We can do nothing with them either in the 'Ostland' nor in the 'Reichkommissariat.' So liquidate them yourself.

    Gentlemen, I must ask you to rid yourself of all feeling of pity. We must annihilate the Jews, wherever we find them and wherever it is possible, in order to maintain the structure of the Reich as a whole. ...

    We cannot shoot or poison these 3,500,000 Jews, but we shall nevertheless be able to take measures, which will lead, somehow, to their annihilation....

    That we sentence 1,200,000 Jews to die of hunger should be noted only marginally.
    >> Watch how he doesn't answer Lol 02/28/12(Tue)06:26 No.1863565
    >>1863544
    Wow , that picture is a momentous piece of evidence. It can completely disprove the holocaust.

    Now , if you'll only give me a source for this authentic document...... Please? pretty pretty please? No? :(
    >> Anonymous 02/28/12(Tue)06:27 No.1863570
    >>1863559

    Himmler's speech at Posen on October 4, 1943 was captured on audiotape (Trial of the Major War Criminals, 1948, Vol. XXIX, p. 145, trans. by current author):

    I refer now to the evacuation of the Jews, the extermination of the Jewish people. This is one of those things that is easily said: "the Jewish people are being exterminated," says every Party member, "quite true, it's part of our plans, the elimination of the Jews, extermination, we're doing it."

    The extermination effort was even mentioned in at least one official Nazi court verdict. In May 1943, a Munich court wrote in its decision against SS-Untersturmführer Max Taubner that:

    The accused shall not be punished because of the actions against the Jews as such. The Jews have to be exterminated and none of the Jews that were killed is any great loss. Although the accused should have recognized that the extermination of the Jews was the duty of Kommandos which were set up especially for this purpose, he should be excused for considering himself to have the authority to take part in the extermination of Jewry himself.

    And Hitler spoke quite clearly in public on no fewer than three occasions. On January 30, 1939, seven months before Germany invaded Poland, he spoke publicly to the Reichstag (transcribed from Skeptic magazine, Vol. 2, No. 4, p. 50):

    Today I want to be a prophet once more: if international finance Jewry inside and outside of Europe should succeed once more in plunging nations into another world war, the consequence will not be the Bolshevation of the earth and thereby the victory of Jewry, but the annihilation of the Jewish race in Europe.
    >> Anonymous 02/28/12(Tue)06:27 No.1863575
    >>1863570

    By the way, this last phrase is, in German, "die Vernichtung der jüdischen Rasse in Europa," which German-speakers will realize is quite unambiguous.

    In September, 1942:

    ...if Jewry should plot another world war in order to exterminate the Aryan peoples in Europe, it would not be the Aryan people which would be exterminated but Jewry...

    On November 8, 1942:

    You will recall the session of the Reichstag during which I declared: if Jewry should imagine that it could bring about an international world war to exterminate the European races, the result will not be the extermination of the European races, but the extermination of Jewry in Europe. People always laughed about me as a prophet. Of those who laughed then, countless numbers no longer laugh today, and those who still laugh now will perhaps no longer laugh a short time from now.
    >> Anonymous 02/28/12(Tue)06:28 No.1863577
    >>1863558
    IT'S OKAY GUYS. NO INJUSTICE WAS DONE.

    5 YEARS IN JAIL?

    PHESH! NOTHING, HE WAS A TOTAL RETARD SO LIKE IT'S NOTHING.

    WHY YOU NO HAVE BOOKS STORMFAGS!?!?!
    >> SHOCKING TRUTH FROM A HOLOHOAX-DENING TRUTH SEEKER 100% TRUE Ernst Zundel is an ancient alien! 02/28/12(Tue)06:28 No.1863583
    >"When Zündel started Samisdat Publishers in the 1970s, he initially catered to the UFOlogy community, which was then at its peak of public acceptance. His main offerings were his own books claiming that flying saucers were Nazi secret weapons launched from an underground base in Antarctica, from which the Nazis hoped to conquer the world."


    >"According to Frank Miele, a member of the Skeptics Society in the United States, Zündel told him that his book 'UFOs: Nazi Secret Weapon?' (which became an underground bestseller, going through several printings) was nothing more than a ploy to attract readers, a deliberate hoax to build publicity for Samisdat. Said Zündel in a telephone conversation with Miele: {{quote|I realized that North Americans were not interested in being educated. They want to be entertained. The book was for fun. With a picture of the Führer on the cover and flying saucers coming out of Antarctica it was a chance to get on radio and TV talk shows. For about 15 minutes of an hour program I'd talk about that esoteric stuff. Then I would start talking about all those Jewish scientists in concentration camps, working on these secret weapons. And that was my chance to talk about what I wanted to talk about." "In that case," I asked him, "do you still stand by what you wrote in the UFO book?" "Look," he replied, "it has a question mark at the end of the title."[20][23][24] Zündel continued to defend these views as late as"

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ernst_Z%C3%BCndel#Nazi_UFO_claims
    >> Anonymous 02/28/12(Tue)06:29 No.1863585
    >>1863575

    There are many other examples of documents and testimonies that could be presented.

    Keep in mind that the IHR's answer to "what proof exists?" is "none." It has certainly been demonstrated already that this pat answer is totally dishonest. And this is the main point we wish to communicate: that Holocaust-denial is dishonest.

    We continue by analyzing the remaining, more-specific, claims about what evidence supposedly does not exist.

    "No mounds of ashes" is an internal contradiction. In an article in the journal published by the same IHR that publishes these Q&A, the Journal's editor reported that a Polish commission in 1946 found human ash at the Treblinka death camp to a depth of over twenty feet. This article is available on The IHR's web site.

    (Apparently some survivors claimed that the corpses were always thoroughly cremated. Because uncremated human remains were mixed with the ash, the editor suggested that the testimonies were false. Amazingly, he had no comment on how a twenty-foot layer of human ashes came to be there in the first place. Perhaps he felt that to be unworthy of mention.)

    There are also piles of ashes at Maidanek. At Auschwitz-Birkenau, ashes from cremated corpses were dumped into the rivers and swamps surrounding the camp, and used as fertilizer for nearby farmers' fields.
    >> Anonymous 02/28/12(Tue)06:29 No.1863591
    >>1863577

    In my humble opinion, people who think that history majors are qualified chemists should be in jail.

    Deal with it.
    >> Anonymous 02/28/12(Tue)06:30 No.1863592
    >>1863565
    http://bjpa.org/Publications/details.cfm?PublicationID=5505

    Wow that was easy as shit.

    Can't see why you guys have such a hard time doing the same thing.
    >> Anonymous 02/28/12(Tue)06:30 No.1863593
    >>1863585

    "No crematoria" capable of disposing of millions of corpses? Absolutely false, the crematoria were more than capable of the job, according to both the Nazis' own internal memos and the testimony of survivors. Holocaust-deniers deliberately confuse civilian, funeral-home crematoria with the huge industrial ovens of the death camps. This is discussed in much detail in the replies to questions 42 and 45.

    "No piles of clothes"? Apparently, the IHR considers piles of clothes to be "hard evidence"! This is strange, because they do not deny the other sorts of piles found at Nazi camps: piles of eyeglasses, piles of shoes (at Auschwitz, Belzec, and Maidanek), piles of gold teeth, piles of burned corpses, piles of unburned corpses, piles of artificial limbs (see Swiebocka, Auschwitz: A History in Photographs, 1993, p. 210), piles of human hair (ibid, p. 211), piles of ransacked luggage (ibid, p. 213), piles of shaving-brushes (ibid, p. 215), piles of combs (ibid), piles of pots and pans (ibid), and yes, even the piles of clothes (ibid, p. 214) that the IHR claims do not exist.

    Perhaps the authors of the 66 Q&A realized that it was dangerous for them to admit that these piles were hard evidence, because then they would also be forced to admit a number of other things as "hard evidence." Perhaps this is why they removed this phrase from the revised 66 Q&A.

    If items were not generally found in mass quantities, it is only because the Nazis distributed them to the German population. A memo on this was captured, revealing that they even redistributed women's underwear.
    >> Anonymous 02/28/12(Tue)06:31 No.1863601
    >>1863591
    Your opinion means nothing to anyone but yourself.

    How about you deal with that.
    >> Anonymous 02/28/12(Tue)06:31 No.1863606
    >>1863592

    THE FACT THAT THE SAME NUMBER APPEARS TWICE IS PROOF THAT THE HOLOCAUST DID NOT HAPPEN AND THAT THE JEWS ARE CONTROLLING THE WORLD.

    Do you even listen to yourself talk?
    >> Anonymous 02/28/12(Tue)06:31 No.1863607
    oh vey
    >> Anonymous 02/28/12(Tue)06:32 No.1863616
    >>1863593

    "No human soap"? This is true, but misleading. Though there is some evidence that soap was made from corpses on a very limited experimental scale, the rumored "mass production" was never done, and no soap made from human corpses is known to exist. However, there is sworn testimony, never refuted, from British POWs and a German army official, stating that soap experiments were performed, and the recipe for the soap was captured by the Allies. To state flatly that the Nazis did not make soap from human beings is incorrect.

    "No lamp shades made of human skin?" False -- lampshades and other human-skin "ornaments" were introduced as evidence in both trials of Ilse Koch, and were shown to a U.S. Senate investigation committee in the late 40s. We know they were made of human skin because they bore tattoos, and because a microscopic forensic analysis of the items was performed. (A detailed page on this is being prepared.)
    >> Anonymous 02/28/12(Tue)06:32 No.1863617
    >>1863601

    Just saying, if dude didn't want to go to jail, he shouldn't have flagrantly flaunted the law and then hired such a shitty legal team.

    He was pretty much asking for it.
    >> Anonymous 02/28/12(Tue)06:33 No.1863626
    >>1863593
    Try calling a real crematoria and ask them if this was possible.

    Instead of relying on so called documents. How is a document going to prove something that's physically impossible?

    Honestly, if you can't figure out who to believe, do this.
    >> Anonymous 02/28/12(Tue)06:33 No.1863627
    >>1863616

    No records"? This is nonsense (which may explain why this claim was removed from the "revised" versions of the 66 Q&A). True, extermination by gassing was always referred to with code-words, and those victims who arrived at death camps only to be immediately gassed were not recorded in any books. But there are slip-ups in the code-word usage that reveal the true meanings, as already described. There are inventories and requisitions for the Krema which reveal items anomalous with ordinary use but perfect for mass homicidal gassing. There are deportation train records which, pieced together, speak clearly. And so on. Several examples have been given above.

    "No credible demographic statistics"? This is the second internal contradiction -- see question 2 and question 15. The Anglo-American committee who studied the issue estimated the number of Jewish victims at 5.7 million. This was based on population statistics. Here is the exact breakdown, country by country:
    >> Anonymous 02/28/12(Tue)06:34 No.1863635
    >>1863617
    Truth does not fear investigation.
    >> Anonymous 02/28/12(Tue)06:34 No.1863637
    >>1863627

    Germany 195,000
    Austria 53,000
    Czechoslovakia 255,000
    Denmark 1,500
    France 140,000
    Belgium 57,000
    Luxemburg 3,000
    Norway 1,000
    Holland 120,000
    Italy 20,000
    Yugoslavia 64,000
    Greece 64,000
    Bulgaria 5,000
    Rumania 530,000
    Hungary 200,000
    Poland 3,271,000
    USSR 1,050,000
    Less dispersed refugees (308,000)
    Total number of Jews killed 5,721,500
    >> Anonymous 02/28/12(Tue)06:35 No.1863645
    >>1863626

    Holocaust-deniers deliberately confuse civilian, funeral-home crematoria with the huge industrial ovens of the death camps. This is discussed in much detail in the replies to questions 42 and 45.

    http://nizkor.org/features/qar/qar42.html
    http://nizkor.org/features/qar/qar45.html
    >> Anonymous 02/28/12(Tue)06:36 No.1863647
    >>1863637

    (This estimate was arrived at using population statistics, and not by adding the number of casualties at each camp. These are also available -- for instance, a separate file with the ruling of a German court regarding the number of victims in Treblinka is available. The SS kept rather accurate records, and many of the documents survived, reinforced by eyewitness accounts).

    Some estimates are lower, some are higher, but this is the magnitude in question. In an article in CMU's student newspaper, the head of CMU's History Department, Peter Stearns, is quoted as saying that newly discovered documents -- especially in the former USSR -- indicate that the number of victims is higher than six million. Other historians claim not much over five million. The Encyclopedia of the Holocaust uses 5,596,000 as a minimum and 5,860,000 as a maximum (Gutman, 1990, p. 1799).
    >> Anonymous 02/28/12(Tue)06:36 No.1863648
    >>1863626

    >Try calling a real crematoria

    By that same line of logic, you could figure out how a Army barber cuts hair by calling up a stylist at a 5th Avenue salon.

    Pro-Tip: You can't. The military tends to do things differently than their private sector counter-parts.
    >> Anonymous 02/28/12(Tue)06:36 No.1863658
    >>1863647

    In summary:

    "Revisionists" often claim, correctly, that the burden of proof is on historians. The proof, of course, has been a matter of public record since late 1945, and is available in libraries around the world. The burden has been met, many, many times over. You've just seen a brief presentation of some of the highlights of that immense body of proof; much more is readily available.

    To even argue that the Holocaust never happened is ludicrous. To claim straight-faced that none of this proof even exists is beyond ludicrous, and it is a clear example of "revisionist" dishonesty.
    >> Anonymous 02/28/12(Tue)06:36 No.1863659
    >>1863606
    In this thread alone I have posted 4 different pictures showing different times the "6 million" line was used.

    Oh, and nice change of tactics. I bet you're really interested in getting to the bottom of this.
    >> Anonymous 02/28/12(Tue)06:38 No.1863668
    >>1863635

    Yah, that's cute and everything, but it has nothing to do with anything I said.

    Face it. If you are on trial and you hire a fucking history major to do complex chemical analyses in hopes that he will find evidence to exonerate you, you probably should just be in jail.
    >> Anonymous 02/28/12(Tue)06:38 No.1863669
    >>1863645
    This is not science, it's balderdash.

    Humans cannot be cremated in such numbers at such a speed.

    Is what they would tell you if you actually made the call.
    >> Anonymous 02/28/12(Tue)06:39 No.1863675
    >>1863668
    Yeah and Heretics deserved the witchtrials because they were totally flaunting the Church.
    >> Anonymous 02/28/12(Tue)06:40 No.1863681
    >>1863659

    You've posted black propaganda bullshit, and constantly ignored the mountains of proof that were thrown at you, as well as the references given to you. And then you tell us to listen to some fucktard historian who pretended to be a chemist.

    My aim here was not to convince you, because I won't. You're delusional. My only aim here was both to humiliate you and show anyone with half a brain that you're wrong. My work is done, have a good day.
    >> Anonymous 02/28/12(Tue)06:40 No.1863683
    >>1863659

    Right...and because Douglas Adams mentioned the number 42 several times in the Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy, clearly this means that the product of six and seven isn't really 42.
    >> Anonymous 02/28/12(Tue)06:40 No.1863685
    >>1863669

    42. "Holocaust" authors claim that the Nazis were able to cremate bodies in about 10 minutes. How long does it take to incinerate one body according to professional crematory operators?

    The IHR says (original):

    About 2 hours.

    The IHR says (revised):

    About an hour and a half, although the larger bones require further processing afterwards.
    >> Anonymous 02/28/12(Tue)06:41 No.1863687
    >>1863675

    Strawman Argument

    If you are dumb enough to believe that a history major is a chemist, you are not intelligent enough to be a free member of society.
    >> Anonymous 02/28/12(Tue)06:41 No.1863690
    >>1863681
    >MY WALLS OF TEXT HAVE NO EFFECT I BETTER CALL HIM A RETARD AND TELL HIM HOW HUMILIATED HE IS, THEN FLEE
    >> Anonymous 02/28/12(Tue)06:41 No.1863691
    >>1863685

    Nizkor replies:

    Well, which is it, 1.5 or 2? More recently, the Holocaust-deniers have begun to rely on the testimony of Ivan Lagace, who apparently said at the Zündel trial and later in print that it takes six or eight hours per body.

    The IHR has a lot of nerve complaining that survivors' testimonies contradict each other on technical details like cremation time -- it can't even get its own story straight!

    The discrepancy between the IHR's estimates and the actual time (more like 30 minutes) is chiefly due to the fact that the IHR is confusing military-industrial crematoria with everyday civilian crematoria.

    When they say "professional crematory operators," they mean people like Lagace, whose job is to cremate one corpse at a time, with a coffin, in an oven designed to incinerate even the largest bones into a fine ash for the next of kin to take home. This situation is obviously not comparable to the situation at Auschwitz-Birkenau during the Second World War.

    For example, Lagace would never even consider mixing or "comingling" the ashes of one deceased person with those of another. Lagace and the IHR forget that two or three emaciated corpses could be inserted into each "muffle." This would, of course, never be done in a civilian, commercial establishment.
    >> Anonymous 02/28/12(Tue)06:42 No.1863699
    >>1863691

    Also, the Auschwitz furnaces were designed to run continuously, using the heat energy produced by the burning of previous bodies to keep the oven hot for the next bodies. After they were fired with coke to their proper operating temperature at the beginning of the day, they required little or no extra fuel to operate. This was a technical achievement that is well-documented (see Gutman et al., Anatomy of the Auschwitz Death Camp, 1994, pp. 185-187ff). Lagace claims that there must be a "cooling off" period between each body incinerated, which shows a profound ignorance on his part as to how the ovens worked. Lagace claims that continuous operation would have caused the Auschwitz ovens to break down, but again, he simply does not understand the difference between everyday civilian crematoria and military-industrial crematoria.

    Also, typically, a commercial crematory operator will burn a corpse for an extended period to remove all traces of carbonized flesh, i.e., to whiten the bones. Even so, such processes only extend the total cremation time to between two and four hours, and not the six to eight hours that Lagace claimed. Lagace forgets that such cosmetic concerns were not of importance to the Nazis. But these errors and others are dealt with in the reply to question 45.
    >> Anonymous 02/28/12(Tue)06:42 No.1863703
    >>1863687
    If you're dumb enough to not believe the Sun revolves around the Earth then you are not smart enough to be a member of Christian society.

    Like deal with it.
    >> Anonymous 02/28/12(Tue)06:43 No.1863706
    >>1863699

    Those errors aside, there is still simply no question about the burning times of the ovens. In 1939, the firm of Topf and Sons was awarded a contract to build a Dachau furnace which had an estimated capacity of one corpse per hour per muffle (times two muffles). By increasing the air pressure, by July 1940 they had produced a furnace that could burn just under two corpses per hour per muffle (again, times two muffles). It required three hours of maintenance per day, a far cry from the twelve hours per day claimed by the IHR in question 45. (See Gutman et al., op. cit., pp. 185-186, 189-190.)

    The crematoriums that were eventually installed at Auschwitz-Birkenau were massive. They were capable of disposing of several bodies per muffle in half an hour or so, and they could run for days at a time without maintenance. (There were difficulties eventually, however, and several of the ovens were out of service for months at a time.) Topf and Sons was awarded a patent in 1951, and the patent also states that a single muffle can cremate a corpse in half an hour.

    Photographs of the furnaces in Krema II are available.

    >>1863690

    Actually, I'm gonna post the cremation questions before leaving. But just because you ignore the mountain of evidence I threw at you doesn't mean you're right.
    >> Anonymous 02/28/12(Tue)06:44 No.1863710
    >>1863690
    >MY WALLS OF TEXT HAVE NO EFFECT

    Of course they don't. We can't expect stormfags to be capable of actual reading , can't we? Cartoons are more within the limits of a stormfag's tiny mind.
    >> Anonymous 02/28/12(Tue)06:44 No.1863718
    45. Can a crematory oven be operated 100% of the time?

    The IHR says:

    No. 50% of the time is a generous estimate (12 hours per day). Cremator ovens have to be cleaned thoroughly and regularly when in heavy operation.
    >> Anonymous 02/28/12(Tue)06:45 No.1863723
    >>1863703

    Here's the problem with your argument.

    1. The Earth doesn't revolve around the Earth.

    2. A History major is not a chemist.

    3. Ernst Zundel really is too stupid to enjoy the benefits of free society.
    >> Anonymous 02/28/12(Tue)06:45 No.1863724
    >>1863706
    What evidence?

    I have picked apart you walls of text exposing the complete lack of anything concrete.

    It basically goes like this

    Believe the testimonies or you are crazy, now imagine this, believe the testimonies or you are stupid, now imagine this ad infinitum.
    >> Anonymous 02/28/12(Tue)06:46 No.1863727
    >>1863718

    Nizkor replies:

    This reply is a comprehensive one, covering Q&A numbers 42, 43, and 44 as well.

    Start by looking at a photograph of the furnaces in Krema II, to get some idea of scale. They were very large. Keep in mind that the Zündelsite characterizes these massive crematoria buildings as "chicken sheds."

    There were five Krema in Auschwitz. Krema II and III had five huge furnaces, each of which had a "triple-muffle" that could burn three bodies simultaneously. They were designed to burn efficiently and quickly, especially when burning many bodies in a row (see Gutman et al., Anatomy of the Auschwitz Death Camp, 1994, pp. 185-186).

    Although the furnaces were designed with three muffles, two to three bodies could almost always be placed in each muffle. Remember that many children were present, and that the victims were often inmates who had been at Auschwitz for months and who were malnourished in the extreme. The Nazis took 70 to 100 kg of animal remains as a "unit" that could be incinerated in one muffle; whether that was one large person or three small ones was irrelevant, technically speaking. Höss testified that the Sonderkommando would alternate between putting three and two bodies in each muffle. (See Gutman et al., op. cit., pp. 236, 166, 180n55.)

    >>1863710

    Gotta love Stormfags.

    "Where's the evidence?"

    >post evidence

    "I'M NOT READING THAT!"
    >> Anonymous 02/28/12(Tue)06:47 No.1863733
    >>1863723
    Sometimes you can be too stupid for society.

    Are down syndrome retards too stupid for society?

    No, just people who write books questioning the validity of the holocaust. These people are too stupid for society.
    >> Anonymous 02/28/12(Tue)06:47 No.1863735
    >>1863724

    >I have picked apart you walls of text exposing the complete lack of anything concrete.

    Not the guy you are replying to but, no...no, you really haven't.
    >> Anonymous 02/28/12(Tue)06:47 No.1863740
    >>1863727

    Contrary to what the IHR claims in question 42, the furnaces would consume the bodies in anywhere from half an hour to 45 minutes maximum. This is not only verified by eyewitnesses, but by numerous Nazi memos concerning a variety of incineration jobs.

    Here is the arithmetic for a single Krematorium, number II:

    Five furnaces, each with three muffles, each muffle capable of holding two to three corpses simultaneously (call it two) and burning them in half an hour, could reduce 1440 bodies to ash in twenty-four working hours. 5 times 3 times 2, divided by one-half, times 24, equals 1440.

    A captured memo dated June 28, 1943, sent to SS General Kammler in Berlin, cites the number of bodies that can be disposed of in one day, at Auschwitz-Birkenau, as 4,756. This is apparently based on a 24-hour working day using the above figures, as it cites the capacity of Krema II as 1440. See a photograph of the document, or Pressac, Auschwitz: Technique and Operation of the Gas Chambers, 1989, p. 247. There is argument among historians and technical experts as to whether this represents a theoretical maximum that was never reached in reality except with the aid of additional cremation done in burning pits, or a figure that was reached and possibly exceeded during the worst of the extermination action. Nevertheless, it is clear that Lagace's claim of 184 bodies daily (Lenski, Robert, The Holocaust on Trial, 1990, p. 252) is not even within an order of magnitude of being correct.
    >> Anonymous 02/28/12(Tue)06:47 No.1863743
    >>1863724

    Testimonies, documents, etc.
    >> Anonymous 02/28/12(Tue)06:48 No.1863745
    >>1863733

    >Are down syndrome retards too stupid for society?

    Only the ones that try to pass off History majors as trained chemists and engineers in a court of law.
    >> Anonymous 02/28/12(Tue)06:48 No.1863751
    >>1863727
    >Höss testified

    after much torture.

    Sounds very similar to the witchtrials.
    >> Anonymous 02/28/12(Tue)06:49 No.1863758
    >>1863745
    So witty. Now I will totally forget about this so you don't have to come up with a proper answer.
    >> Anonymous 02/28/12(Tue)06:51 No.1863766
    >>1863743
    Mystery documents that have never been subject of independent investigation.

    And crazy testimonies like the ones pictured in the OP.

    Totally evidence.
    >> Anonymous 02/28/12(Tue)06:51 No.1863771
    >>1863751

    1. [Citation needed]

    2. Even if he was tortured, that doesn't necessarily mean his confession was false.
    >> Stormfront method of debate Anonymous 02/28/12(Tue)06:52 No.1863781
    >>1863751
    >Confessions
    TORTURE!
    >documents
    FORGERIES!
    >testimonies
    LIES!
    >Scientific evidence
    UHHHHH , NOT IT'S NOT!
    >cartoons and MS-paint pictures
    Now you're talking , finally , something reliable!
    >> Anonymous 02/28/12(Tue)06:53 No.1863791
    >>1863758

    How is that not a proper answer?

    I think people with Downs Syndrome are OK, so long as they do not attempt to pass off a history major as a chemist or engineer in a court of law (unlike Ernst Zundel).

    How is that so exceptionally difficult to understand?
    >> /thread JIDF 02/28/12(Tue)06:56 No.1863821
    Reality: 1
    Stormfaggotry: -9000
    >> Anonymous 02/28/12(Tue)06:57 No.1863828
    >>1863791
    Are you retarded or are you just playing?

    I'm guessing the latter. So you still can't come up with an answer other than "well he's denying the holocaust"?
    >> Anonymous 02/28/12(Tue)06:59 No.1863840
    >>1863828

    >So you still can't come up with an answer other than "well he's denying the holocaust"?

    What the actual fuck are you babbling about?
    >> Anonymous 02/28/12(Tue)06:59 No.1863843
    >>1863781
    Are you denying the use of torture prior to the nuremberg witch trials?

    Are you denying the craziness of the testimonies pictured in the OP?

    Are you denying that these documents have never been subject to independent research?
    >> Anonymous 02/28/12(Tue)07:00 No.1863846
    >>1863840
    Why is Ernst Zündel in jail?
    >> Anonymous 02/28/12(Tue)07:03 No.1863864
    >>1863843

    >these documents have never been subject to independent research

    Step 1.
    Form a preconceived notion that the Holocaust never occurred.

    Step 2.
    Categorically dismiss "ZOG propaganda" any evidence which contradicts your preconceived notion.

    Step 3.
    Refuse to examine the "ZOG propaganda"

    Step 4.
    Claim that evidence has not been "independently researched.".
    >> Anonymous 02/28/12(Tue)07:03 No.1863867
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    >>1863766

    Oh look, here they are with the "THOSE TESTIMONIES ARE FAKE" bullshit again.
    >> Anonymous 02/28/12(Tue)07:04 No.1863870
    >>1863846

    Because he broke the law.

    That's an easy one, give me something more difficult.
    >> Anonymous 02/28/12(Tue)07:04 No.1863875
    >>1863846

    Trying to revise history to make it seem like white supremacists haven't done anything wrong.
    >> Anonymous 02/28/12(Tue)07:05 No.1863877
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    Are these people walking in line?

    Well yeah, they are.

    Is it then not reasonable to assume that they are walking in line TO THE GAS CHAMBERS?

    Just because. CAN YOU PROVE THEY AREN'T WALKING TO THE GAS CHAMBERS?

    I thought so.
    >> Anonymous 02/28/12(Tue)07:06 No.1863883
    >>1863870
    By doing what? How did he break the law?
    >> Anonymous 02/28/12(Tue)07:06 No.1863888
    >>1863883

    Denying the holocaust, which is trying to revise history to make it seem like white supremacists haven't done anything wrong.
    >> Anonymous 02/28/12(Tue)07:07 No.1863891
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    Lol at the jidf in this thread.

    They're losing bad but still trying to keep up a facade.

    Hillarious.
    >> Anonymous 02/28/12(Tue)07:08 No.1863893
    >>1863888
    Why is this illegal again?
    >> Anonymous 02/28/12(Tue)07:09 No.1863902
    >>1863883

    Don't really know, specifically, and I don't really care, either.

    He was dumb, presented a false expert in a court of law and then he went to jail.

    I don't see a problem.
    >> ERNST ZUNDEL RESPECTED RESEARCHER OF NAZI UFO ANAL EXAMS ERNST ZUNDEL IS A SELF-CONFESSED FRAUDSTER 02/28/12(Tue)07:09 No.1863903
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ernst_Z%C3%BCndel#Nazi_UFO_claims
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ernst_Z%C3%BCndel#Nazi_UFO_claims
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ernst_Z%C3%BCndel#Nazi_UFO_claims
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ernst_Z%C3%BCndel#Nazi_UFO_claims
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ernst_Z%C3%BCndel#Nazi_UFO_claims
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ernst_Z%C3%BCndel#Nazi_UFO_claims
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ernst_Z%C3%BCndel#Nazi_UFO_claims
    >> Anonymous 02/28/12(Tue)07:10 No.1863908
    >>1863902
    You don't have a problem with people being thrown in jail for not accepting a belief or doctrine?

    Showing your true colors at last?
    >> Anonymous 02/28/12(Tue)07:10 No.1863912
    >>1863893
    BECAUSE THE JEWS WHO RUN THE GOVERNMENT SAID IT IS YOU DAMN ANTI SEMITE HOLOCAUST DENYING STORMFAG
    >> Anonymous 02/28/12(Tue)07:12 No.1863918
    >>1863891
    >losing bad

    If by losing you mean having their own country that was planted on top of somebody else's while being armed to the teeth, defended, and given 100's of billions of dollars AND contracts tailored specifically for their economies instead of for countries in the origin of issue, yeah, sure, they lost bad.
    >> Anonymous 02/28/12(Tue)07:12 No.1863922
    >>1863893

    >Why is it illegal to try and revise history?

    See, we have these things called morals and ethics in our society. You might want to read up on that.
    >> Anonymous 02/28/12(Tue)07:12 No.1863923
    >>1863908

    >being thrown in jail for not accepting a belief or doctrine?

    That's not why Ernst Zundel went to prison.

    >On February 15, 2007, Zündel was sentenced to a five year term in prison, the maximum sentence possible for violating the Volksverhetzung law (Section 130, 2.(3)) in the German criminal code which bans incitement of hatred against a minority of the population

    >incitement of hatred against a minority
    >incitement of hatred against a minority
    >incitement of hatred against a minority
    >incitement of hatred against a minority
    >incitement of hatred against a minority

    That's why Ernst Zundel went to prison.
    >> Anonymous 02/28/12(Tue)07:13 No.1863935
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    >>1863908

    Please do go on, keep proving that you're not even worth talking to.
    >> ERNST ZUNDEL RESPECTED RESEARCHER OF NAZI UFO ANAL EXAMS ERNST ZUNDEL IS A SELF-CONFESSED FRAUDSTER 02/28/12(Tue)07:14 No.1863938
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ernst_Z%C3%BCndel#Nazi_UFO_claims
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ernst_Z%C3%BCndel#Nazi_UFO_claims
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ernst_Z%C3%BCndel#Nazi_UFO_claims
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ernst_Z%C3%BCndel#Nazi_UFO_claims
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ernst_Z%C3%BCndel#Nazi_UFO_claims
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ernst_Z%C3%BCndel#Nazi_UFO_claims
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ernst_Z%C3%BCndel#Nazi_UFO_claims


    "Ancient Nazi Aliens stole my brain" - Ernst Zundel
    >> Anonymous 02/28/12(Tue)07:14 No.1863943
    >>1863918
    Enjoy being Rothschild meat shields. Surely your grand phallic boasting is proof of your eternal victory.
    >> Anonymous 02/28/12(Tue)07:15 No.1863953
    >>1863943

    >phallic boasting

    In what alternative universe is it possible for words to be shaped like penises?
    >> Anonymous 02/28/12(Tue)07:16 No.1863957
    >>1863923
    What did he do to incite this hate?

    Oh that's right. He refused to accept the validity of the Holocaust, a belief.

    How do you like being wrong all the time?
    >> Leading holocaust denier Ernst Zundel might be insane! Astounding discovery! 02/28/12(Tue)07:18 No.1863982
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ernst_Z%C3%BCndel#Nazi_UFO_claims

    >"Nazi UFO'S were actually exterminating reptilians disguised as Jews"
    -Ernst Zundel in his best-selling book "My schizophrenic experience"
    >> Anonymous 02/28/12(Tue)07:18 No.1863986
    >>1863957

    What he did to incite hate against a minority was to accuse an entire social group (without any evidence) of massive, deliberate, international conspiracy and fraud.

    I am OK with people like that going to prison, no matter what their unpopular political beliefs.
    >> Anonymous 02/28/12(Tue)07:18 No.1863988
    >>1863957

    >belief

    Hahaha, oh wow. You people are desperate.
    >> Anonymous 02/28/12(Tue)07:20 No.1864001
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    >> Anonymous 02/28/12(Tue)07:21 No.1864018
    >>1864001

    http://www.hdot.org/en/learning/myth-fact#frank

    >CLAIM: Parts of Anne Frank's diary are written in ball point pen, while that technology was not available until after the war.

    >RESPONSE: Anne wrote the body of her diary with a fountain pen. The only ball point pen ink traces are two loose notes written by someone else and put with the papers later and some page numbers written on the sheets during the compilation process.
    >> Anonymous 02/28/12(Tue)07:21 No.1864021
    >>1863988
    So believing the Holocaust is not a belief?

    You know the Holocaust? Somehow you can scientifically deduct that the holocaust happened based on testimonies.

    Yeah I see you have no understanding of science as well as the principles of deduction and induction.
    >> Anonymous 02/28/12(Tue)07:24 No.1864036
    >>1864021

    >Yeah I see you have no understanding of science

    You can accuse others of not understanding science the moment you stop idolizing a man who sent a history teacher to do a chemists' job.
    >> Anonymous 02/28/12(Tue)07:24 No.1864045
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    >> Anonymous 02/28/12(Tue)07:25 No.1864052
    >>1864036
    How is that relevant?

    Oh I forgot, you're a jew and have only emotinal investments in this discussion. Move along now.
    >> Anonymous 02/28/12(Tue)07:26 No.1864057
    >>1864045

    >Nazi Germany
    >new Chaplin film crica 1938-39

    I don't think so, Tim.
    >> Anonymous 02/28/12(Tue)07:27 No.1864069
    >>1864052

    >How is that relevant?


    It is relevant because you and your idol, Zundel, don't understand science either.

    If you don't understand science, you shouldn't criticize other people's understanding of science.
    >> Anonymous 02/28/12(Tue)07:28 No.1864079
    it was been made illegal to question the holocaust, it doesnt even matter to me if its true or not, i defacto assume that they are hiding something by making it illegal. It could be true i don't care until its made legal to research ill assume its not so.
    >> Anonymous 02/28/12(Tue)07:28 No.1864081
    >>1864069
    So believing the Holocaust is a belief?

    Funny how you change your opinion whenever someone calls you on your bullshit.
    >> Anonymous 02/28/12(Tue)07:32 No.1864105
    >>1864081

    >So believing the Holocaust is a belief?

    Non Sequitur/Red Herring

    My post has nothing to do with this. Do try to stay focused.

    The point of my post is really quite simple: if you think the Leuchter Report is reputable, scientific study, you are completely scientifically retarded and thus have no place criticizing the scientific understanding of others.
    >> Anonymous 02/28/12(Tue)07:35 No.1864124
    >>1864105
    >belief Hahaha, oh wow. You people are desperate

    >How is believing the holocaust not a belief, you don't understand science.

    >YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND SCIENCE BECAUSE ERNST ZUNDEL

    >Not relevant

    >OMG RED HERRING STRAWMAN LOGICAL FALLACY, DISCUSSION IS ON ERNST ZUNDEL BECAUSE I SAID SO

    You amuse me.
    >> Anonymous 02/28/12(Tue)07:36 No.1864134
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    >> Anonymous 02/28/12(Tue)07:39 No.1864155
    >>1864124

    >>belief Hahaha, oh wow. You people are desperate

    I didn't say this.

    Pro-Tip: There is more than one "Anonymous" on this board.

    >>YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND SCIENCE BECAUSE ERNST ZUNDEL

    I didn't say this either. Your deplorable lack of scientific comprehension is completely unrelated to Ernst Zundel. It's just a coincidence that you are both idiots.

    >You amuse me.

    Not nearly as much as you amuse me, I asure you.
    >> Anonymous 02/28/12(Tue)07:40 No.1864163
    >>1864155
    Where did I illustrate the lack of scientific understanding, do tell.
    >> Anonymous 02/28/12(Tue)07:46 No.1864203
    >>1864163

    >Where did I illustrate the lack of scientific understanding,

    It is implied by your acceptance of the Leuchter report as being scientifically valid.

    I will repeat myself once more, for your benefit: If you cannot see how woefully unscientific the Leuchter report is, then you are a fucking moron who has no place lecturing anyone about "science".
    >> Anonymous 02/28/12(Tue)07:50 No.1864232
    >>1863943
    What? All I did was point out that if they are losing, thats some weirdass standards for what constitutes a loss as they are making out like bandits. As bandits. Whatever.

    Are you so fucking insane that you cant even see an opinion different from something that you say without injecting an agenda?


    Wipe the foam off your mouth.
    >> Anonymous 02/28/12(Tue)07:54 No.1864261
    >>1864203
    >It is implied by your acceptance of the Leuchter report as being scientifically valid.

    I have never once posted anything about any
    Leuchter report.

    You show clear signs of mental illness.
    >> Anonymous 02/28/12(Tue)07:56 No.1864275
    Who are the Zundel and Leuchter guys and what did the write?
    >> Anonymous 02/28/12(Tue)07:56 No.1864285
    >>1864232
    They are losing.

    Losing their hold on the West.

    They are racing with time and losing bad.
    >> Anonymous 02/28/12(Tue)07:57 No.1864286
    >>1864275
    >*who are these

    selffix
    >> Anonymous 02/28/12(Tue)07:59 No.1864301
    >>1864261

    >I have never once posted anything about any Leuchter report.

    You didn't have to say anything about it.

    You're a Holocaust Denier and you believe Ernst Zundel is correct. It goes without saying that youaccept the Leuchter Report, despite its flaws and shortcomings.
    >> Anonymous 02/28/12(Tue)08:01 No.1864318
    >>1864301
    So because I refuse to believe the Holocaust I automatically accept some report I never even heard about, and therefore you already won the discussion.

    How is that circular logic working for you?
    >> Anonymous 02/28/12(Tue)08:02 No.1864329
    >>1864318

    >some report I never even heard about

    3/10, because you managed to fool me this long.

    I should've known you were trolling. Every stormfag on /pol/ knows the Leuchter Rport
    >> Anonymous 02/28/12(Tue)08:03 No.1864341
    >>1864318
    >>1864329

    Also,

    >Bitch about Ernst Zundel
    >Claim never to have heard of the Leuchter Report

    Yah...right.
    >> Anonymous 02/28/12(Tue)08:06 No.1864360
    Who are these Zundel and Leuchter guys and what did the write?

    You see, I see them being posted again and again and I don't know them. I don't want to follow any made up arguments and accept this one or that one as disproven for anything.

    I don't believe the Holocaust happened and I see mostly evidence for my suspicion in the way the arguments are made. You have too much pseudodeniers who obviously just create evidence against the Holocaust just so it can be debunked, pretty much like the "Green Helmet".

    Before I believe any claims of "this guy has proven this and the other guy has disproven that", I'd actually have to read their works but I don't want to buy anthing like that. Is there any place where I can read original works? Somewhere where I can examine what they did for myself? A pdf would be nice.
    >> Anonymous 02/28/12(Tue)08:06 No.1864361
    >>1862993
    >can't into residual nerve activity
    stopped reading there
    >> Anonymous 02/28/12(Tue)08:08 No.1864375
    >>1864329
    >>1864341
    Never in my life did I hear about this report untill you people brought it up.

    I can't see how this report justifies throwing someone in jail for not accpeting a belief.
    >> Anonymous 02/28/12(Tue)08:08 No.1864380
    >>1864341
    You present some sort of "authority" but the average guy has to read their work to actually evaluate if their works are acceptable.

    You can't just decalre one guy to be an authority for some topic just because his arguments are the easiest to disprove.
    >> Anonymous 02/28/12(Tue)08:10 No.1864399
    The way these two guys, Zundel and Leuchter are mentioned reminds me of the islamophobia discussion in the media.

    There everyone pretends that it is only since 9/11 that muslims are unwelcome in the West which is pretty much just a plain lie.
    >> Anonymous 02/28/12(Tue)08:12 No.1864409
    >>1864375

    >Never in my life did I hear about this report untill you people brought it up.

    Bullshit.

    It is literally not possible to follow/read the story of Ernst Zundel, even shallowly, without encountering the Leuchter Report.

    Liar or bad troll. Either way, I care not.
    >> Anonymous 02/28/12(Tue)08:15 No.1864434
    >>1864380

    Your literacy appears to be very bad, so allow me to explain a few things to you.

    1. I am not suggesting that Fred Leuchter is an "authority" of any sort.

    2. The Leuchter Report is the cornerstone of Holocaust Denial AND Ernst Zundel's defense trial.

    3. Holocaust Deniers, especially on /pol/, do think it is legitimate.
    >> Anonymous 02/28/12(Tue)08:16 No.1864438
    >>1863007
    What?
    The jews are white!
    If jews are not white just because of the "little" arab heritage they have, than that makes me Very black indigenous australian because i have MORE black indigenous australian heratige than jews do arab, and my skin is really white pink white.
    >> Anonymous 02/28/12(Tue)08:18 No.1864458
    >>1864409
    I yet I haven't.

    The only thing interesting and relevant about the guy is how he was thrown in jail for refusing to believe the Holocaust.
    >> Anonymous 02/28/12(Tue)08:20 No.1864471
    >>1864409
    >Liar or bad troll. Either way, I care not.
    I am not the same anon you answered too but the one who wrote that lengthy comment:
    >>1864360

    I don't believe the Holocaust happened but jews and the Holocaust are not my hobby so I don't actually know the who is who of the denial league and I really don't trust movements because they are so easy to undermine.

    I believe I have read the name Zundel some time ago in the newspaper but I didn't read any further on that. I don't accept any authority and especially when that authority is presented by my obvious opponent so you'd actually have to show some evidence.

    Just writing "this or that report has been disproven" or "this and that guy is right/wrong" just doesn't work. That's not how discussion works especially when you claim some sort of scientific standards.
    >> Anonymous 02/28/12(Tue)08:21 No.1864475
    >>1864458

    >I yet I haven't.

    And again, I am calling you a liar.

    The only other possible alternative explanation as to how you could study Ernst Zundel and NOT encounter the Leuchter Report is that you are a complete idiot.

    Granted, I am arguing just that, that you are a complete idiot...but I refuse to believe you are THAT stupid.
    >> Anonymous 02/28/12(Tue)08:23 No.1864493
    >>1864475
    Yeah I should totally be thrown in jail for being stupid right?

    Like Ernst Zündel and others who refuse to the believe the holocaust.
    >> Anonymous 02/28/12(Tue)08:23 No.1864494
    >>1864471

    >I am not the same anon you answered

    Good for you!

    Now kindly go stand over there, away from me. If I decide I want to hearyour opinion later, I will give it to you.
    >> Anonymous 02/28/12(Tue)08:25 No.1864505
    >>1864493

    >Yeah I should totally be thrown in jail for being stupid right?

    That depends...do you know the difference between a history teacher and a chemist?

    >Like Ernst Zündel

    Again, Ernst Zündel went to prison for inciting hatred against minorities, not because of what he did/didn't believe.
    >> Anonymous 02/28/12(Tue)08:25 No.1864514
    >>1864494
    Good job showing what an obnoxious faggot you really are.

    I couldn't have done a better job myself.
    >> Anonymous 02/28/12(Tue)08:27 No.1864527
    >>1864505
    How did they conclude that he was inciting hatred against "minorities"(jews)?

    Oh that's right. He wrote a book questioning the validity of the Holocaust.
    >> Anonymous 02/28/12(Tue)08:27 No.1864534
    >>1864514

    What's obnoxious is butting into a conversation without invitation.

    If you're not the person I'm talking to, I don't give a shit what you think. Contrary to popular belief, the world is not dying to hear your opinions on all matters.
    >> Anonymous 02/28/12(Tue)08:29 No.1864546
    >>1864527

    See:
    >>1863986

    >What he did to incite hate against a minority was to accuse an entire social group (without any evidence) of massive, deliberate, international conspiracy and fraud.
    >> Anonymous 02/28/12(Tue)08:29 No.1864550
    >>1864434
    >Your literacy appears to be very bad,
    Holocaust denial is not my hobby. You are a funny little guy if you believe that everyone should be well educated on every topic.

    >so allow me to explain a few things to you.
    You are free to explain whatever you want.

    >1. I am not suggesting that Fred Leuchter is an "authority" of any sort.
    >2. The Leuchter Report is the cornerstone of Holocaust Denial AND Ernst Zundel's defense trial.
    You say you don't want to declare him an authority but then you say his work was "the cornerstone" of the trial of that other guy.

    Do you see the problem that I see with your stance?

    >3. Holocaust Deniers, especially on /pol/, do think it is legitimate.
    I can play the Denier at one day and play the other role at another day. It explicitly states not to believe anything when you come to 4chan.

    If Holocaust denial was my hobby I could put some effort into it and create some fake evidence for the Holocaust for the deniers to disprove easily. So far I have never seen any evidence for the Holocaust that was bullet prove and I was confronted with a whole lot of antiwhite holocaust propaganda in school.
    >> Anonymous 02/28/12(Tue)08:29 No.1864554
    >>1864534
    Actually I am the person you were talking with, but I'm not the guy you arrogantly pushed off.
    >> Anonymous 02/28/12(Tue)08:32 No.1864582
    >>1864546
    You could say that about anyone refusing to believe the holocaust now couldn't you?

    Indirectly they are calling the majority of "survivors" liars.
    >> Anonymous 02/28/12(Tue)08:32 No.1864583
    >>1864494
    >Now kindly go stand over there, away from me.
    no

    >If I decide I want to hearyour opinion later, I will give it to you.
    Your arguments must be very weak when you can't show them.
    >> Anonymous 02/28/12(Tue)08:33 No.1864590
    >>1864550

    >everyone should be well educated on every topic.

    Yes, everyone SHOULD be well-educated on EVERY subject. Anything less than that is pathetic and unacceptable.

    >Do you see the problem that I see with your stance?


    Do you understand the difference between the following?:
    >A. This guy is an expert.
    >B. A bunch of neo-nazi retards THINK this guy is an expert

    >antiwhite propaganda

    Cool story, bro!


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