Feed Me Greeks!!!!

Greeks are unable and unwilling to stop wasting money.
When will Germans take matters into their own hands?

Didn't that unelected guy, who was given power by the socialist EU, just promise to give all Greece's gold away, in return for paper promises? Personally I'd take gold over EU paper any day of the week.

The only way they can beat this thing is by using the commons that they've created to enact revolutionary praxis

For example, instead of having Syntagma discuss events and plan or participate in 24 or 48 strikes, they must plan an indefinite strike with the express goal of overthrowing not only their government, but the state itself

The only way they can do this is by using the political commons they've created as the organizational method of controlling production

Only when they produce and distribute without money can they free themselves now

It's the only way out. To abolish the market itself. We can only hope that conditions in Greece will spread once they do this, and revolution becomes a real possibility for the Eurozone and beyond

>>1822432

The Nazis should mind their own damned business. What the fuck has Greek politics got to do with them?

>>1822484
When they demanded Nazigold to save their country from going completely down the toilet it became their business.

>>1822463
>unelected guy
>who was given power by the socialist EU

I'm sorry, you didn't realize that Merkel, Sarkozy, the IMF and World Bank de facto control Greece? They're the people and organizations calling the shots

The Greek government is a lie

>>1822496

The Greek people don't want their shitty paper notes. They can print their own just as easy as the Krauts. It is the bosch that want Greece not to default, so Nazi banks don't lose money.

>>1822500

Exactly. That is why Greeks are rioting.

>>1822392
i just want to say thank you for starting a decent thread.

>>1822392

Pissed off about what? Less government?

>>1822484
>Greece retarded and broke
>Germany gives them money
>Greece more retarded and broke
>Germany plans veterans day for German WWII vets
>Greece extremely offended against Germany
>Greece ultra retarded and broke

Greece should become a German protectorate

Greeks are some of the laziest and stupidest people on the planet, yet they pretend they are intelligent freedom fighters; in reality, they were turk's bitches, brits' bitches, german's bitches, communists' bitches, and now the the banker's bitches.

Have they been asleep for the past week?

Don't remember hearing anything about riots, even when austerity measures were passed

That was really surprising

>>1822392
>Youtube videos of people throwing things and having things thrown at them.

Though that is definitely a visible form of disobedience, it does not mean a lot. The Greeks will have truly begun the revolt when the productive members of society decide they're going to stop paying taxes. Jus sayin..

capcha: aticei apoplectic

Here is the truth

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W8Ayb8P1LbU

>>1822538
I find it interesting that big media presents it as a case of "Greek government implementing economic policies crucial to defaulting, Greeks riot" rather than presenting the real situation, which is "A nation drowning in debt it can never repay having more credit forced on it in the effort to reach more manageable debt payment and avoid the disintegration of the EU and a wider economic crises from affecting a fragile world economy, all while the domestic population of said country does not want these loans or policies, and their supposedly democratically accountable government does not respond to it's traditional constituents but is instead servile to interests of the global ruling class"

Of course, we all know there can never be any mention of class in the media, unless it's of course "the middle class" which means nothing

>>1822604

Fucking man up and default. Get the fuck out of the EU and cuts ties to your welfare parents.

>>1822619

Greece would leave the EU and use their gold to back a new currency, if the EU did not install a puppet government.

>>1822619
Default is beyond a certainty, the truth is that Greece is already in default

>>1822619
thats what the people want, but the greek government is not doing that

by the way, I think, though it may appear so on the surface, that america has about the same amount of sovereignty as greece does. jus sayin..

More Farage

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ugNOj8JsXY

>>1822392
picture looks illegitimate

riot police dont go out 1on1, they are a unit

>>1822688
>Greece would leave the EU and use their gold to back a new currency

How retarded are you people? If Greece followed your advice and went back to an independent currency its debt would increase by possibly hundreds of times overnight because the debt is held in Euro.

Do you not think for one second the people trying to solve this crisis have thought of that, and maybe that's why they're throwing so much bail out money at them?

>>1822619
>Fucking man up and default.

More fucking retarded Economics Genius™ from /pol/. If Greece defaults she takes the French banking system with her, this would just cause a full repeat of 2008.

>>1822971
>If Greece defaults she takes the French banking system with her
In case any of my fellow Americans miss the significance, French banks currently hold half a trillion of our debt

Am I the only one who has some perverse desire to just see it all crumble and fall?

>>1822971
So the answer is to throw more money onto the fire? Are you brain-dead?

>>1823073
I feel that. I'm in a better position to get a job than most people.

You guys remember when this was "over"? Yeah that was so two weeks ago.

The cops are just trying to keep the city from being burned down.
Fuck man, whats up with targeting cops for all the stupid mistakes politicians made?

Can't wait until the Germans take over. They sure know how to deal with riots.

>>1823075
>So the answer is to throw more money onto the fire? Are you brain-dead?

Coupled with massive austerity measures (cuts) in Greece, it is literally the one and only solution that has an even slight chance of letting Greece fall without taking the global economy with it. A repeat of 2008 would be utterly devastating to every single one of us as individuals.

The EU is not giving Greece all this money because it's funny or something.

>>1823171
>The cops are just trying to keep the city from being burned down.
>Fuck man, whats up with targeting cops for all the stupid mistakes politicians made?

Not only that but those cops are having their wages slashed week after week due to the cuts, they're facing just as much difficulty as the rioters, yet they're out on the street doing their duty.

Fuck the rioters. If they had any sense of responsibility they'd understand that they elected completely corrupt governments and would accept austerity measures with a somber stoicism.

>>1822604
the proletariat are stupid and do not know what is best for them. It is up to the government to make hard decisions that are in their best interests on their behalf.


If Greece doesn't try to pay back it's debts then that's teh end of Greece ever being loaned money for the next several life times.

>>1823208
If the police had any sense they would join the rioters. Once they do, all thats left is military support.

The crisis would solve itself if people would work instead of burning shit, rioting and throwing stuff at cops. But I guess vandalism is more fun than a job. I hope the country becomes some kind of mediterranean Somalia so we got an excuse to team up with the Russian navy and shell them into submission.

>>1823229
>If the police had any sense they would join the rioters. Once they do, all thats left is military support.

What good would it do? Without police on the streets the rioters would burn everything down, insurers would be put out of business from payouts to repair the damage. It would cause even more economic problems in Greece.

And let's say the rioters get rid of the government, what is the next government going to do, carry on spending like the government did before? With what money?

I understand why people are rioting, they are angry, but ultimately their riots serve no practical purpose.

>>1823073


everyone wants that

>>1823240

>The crisis would solve itself if people would work instead of burning shit, rioting and throwing stuff at cops.

Quoting for emphasis, this guy knows.

>>1823260
>ultimately their riots serve no practical purpose

maybe they want to crash the world economy?

>>1823240

when there are no jobs........

>>1823240
Work? Work where? Most people can't work, and when they do, they get paid shit.

Work on what? Join the cops? Help beat the shit out of all the people who are so desperate they've gone to the streets?

WORK ON WHAT? WHERE'S THE WORK? THERE IS NO WORK. That's why everyone's unemployed.

Stop apologizing for the capitalists and come to reality.

>>1823308
>when there are no jobs........

You work for free (we call it volunteering), or you make jobs.

>>1823314

Isn't this a sovereign debt crisis? How do "capitalists" have anything to do with it?

What is it that Greek protesters want, exactly?

They need to get their shit together and build up a stable society, create jobs and shit.
If they cooperate with the EU they'll be poor for a while. If they don't and they leave the Euro they'll be even poorer, no?

>politicians promised more than Greece can afford
>Greek elected them
>the government spent on everything for the sake of Greek
>no budget left
>selling bonds = a national debt
>Greek banks bought those bonds
>now Greece government can't repay
>Greek banks go bankrupt
>Financial meltdown

Greek people are responsible for whole fucking mess, why do they complain about it and blame to German and their government?

>>1823364
>If they cooperate with the EU they'll be poor for a while. If they don't and they leave the Euro they'll be even poorer, no?

This is exactly it but if they don't knuckle down and pay the debt, or if they leave the Euro (in which case the debt, held in Euro, would be too expensive to ever pay back) then they will take the global economy with them as French banks hold most of the Greek debt. Those same French banks also hold half a trillion Euro in US debt.

>2008 Financial Collapse 2.

>>1823260
>Without police on the streets the rioters would burn everything down

No, it would turn into a protest, not a riot.

>>1823391
>No, it would turn into a protest, not a riot.

Fucking liberal retard.

Greek cops are not US cops, they're not pepper spraying people who are sitting down in a park. Greek cops are only responding to violence.

>>1823405
>Fucking liberal retard.
Ad hominem and I'm not even a liberal.
>Greek cops are not US cops, they're not pepper spraying people who are sitting down in a park.
I didn't say they were.

> Greek cops are only responding to violence.
Once the cops join the civilians there would be no more violence because the protestors would have no enemy beyond the government, right now they see the police as part of "them"

>socialism
>working

>>1823422

Firstly, you need to look up ad hominem, because it's only an ad hominem if calling you a liberal retard is my only counter-argument. I clearly went on to state my case for why you are a liberal retard based on your argument itself.

>Once the cops join the civilians there would be no more violence because the protestors would have no enemy beyond the government, right now they see the police as part of "them"

You're such an idiot. (Wait for it, this is why...) If the police joined the protesters then the protesters would start torching buildings and attacking government officials, are you saying this would not happen? They've already been doing it despite the best efforts of the police, with on police they would have free reign.

>Not raising taxes
>Excessive social benefits and the government jobs
>Broke

Greek didn't know it was coming?

>>1823466
> because it's only an ad hominem if calling you a liberal retard is my only counter-argument.

Okay, so you used an ad hominem then a strawman.

> If the police joined the protesters then the protesters would start torching buildings and attacking government officials
How do you know that?
>are you saying this would not happen?
No, but it seems you're saying it would.
Right now, the riots tend to focus on the police and attacks between rioters and them, if the police were to join them, it would make their cause a lot more legitimate and theres no telling what that would lead the protesters to do.


Anyway, I'm saging because you're obviously a 16 year old with no real argument skills beyond ad hominems and strawmen, have a nice day, and stay in school.

>>1823490

>Okay, so you used an ad hominem then a strawman.
Actually, I used hyperbole, but that's not a logical fallacy.

>How do you know that?
Because they've been doing it all along when there was no police presence.

>No, but it seems you're saying it would.
>Right now, the riots tend to focus on the police and attacks between rioters and them, if the police were to join them, it would make their cause a lot more legitimate and theres no telling what that would lead the protesters to do.
The rioters have been torching buildings even with no police presence, the Greeks are far more angry and volatile than a simple protest but you seem to believe riots only happen because of police. This is liberal bullshit.

>Anyway, I'm saging because you're obviously a 16 year old with no real argument skills beyond ad hominems and strawmen, have a nice day, and stay in school.
No you're a fucking liberal dipshit and a hypocrite. Fuck off.

>>1822603
Wow. This guy.

>>1823193
you're so full of shit

>>1823193
Can you give me some kind of proof that we need the fake money system to still want to produce and live as people?

To me it seems like the bankers are really fucked, and are trying to make it so everyone else is fucked, but really, there's no need to let the banking collapse fuck us, we should just end the banking system instead.

People will still want to live well regardless of if the IMF is making trillions in fake money off of accumulating debt interest or not, think about it.

ITT: How socialism benefits everyone!

(except the general population)

>>1824473
>you're so full of shit
Why do you say that? This is fact.

>>1824504
>Can you give me some kind of proof that we need the fake money system to still want to produce and live as people?
Oh boy, I'm not even touching this.

>>1822603
>MFW I hear Farage speak about this type of shit

>>1824519

>ITT: How socialism benefits everyone!

>(except the general population)

Obvious 0/10 trolling but really these problems were not caused by Greece's political ideology, they were caused by corruption. It was in fact American banks like Goldman Sachs that taught Greek politicians how to hide their deficits so that Greece "qualified" to enter the Euro.

So in essence we can all blame this on politicians and bankers being crooks as per usual.

>>1824572
Why can't you touch the subject? The banking system clearly doesn't work, if it did, none of this shit would be happening.

The money system if just an agreement of the people, it's based on confidence.'

There's no need for the banks, that being the case. They are doomed no matter the consequence at this point, because "confidence" has been destroyed.

Why would an employer stop producing goods and services without the current money system, people who want his goods and services will still want them.

>>1824601

Anybody who knows anything about economics is so glad you're not in charge right now.

>>1824572
because you think greece is just going to be ok with being the world's debt slaves.

>>1824684
since you are so know so much, please explain how economics isn't just modern day alchemy.

>>1824706
>because you think greece is just going to be ok with being the world's debt slaves.

I never claimed this, but Greece has to be able to pay off its debts or we'll have a domino effect all around the world just like in 2008.

>>1824771

I just don't give a fuck what you think and am not going to waste my precious /pol/ browsing time explaining things to a wingnut fruitcake who has probably watched too much Zeitgeist.

Please stop replying to me, I'm just going to ignore you from now on.

Greece.. we started western civilization

AND WERE GOING TO END IT

>>1824833
hit a nerve i see.

>>1824833
i knew you were full of shit

>>1824969
No, seriously, take an economics course and you'll realize why no-one takes you guys seriously.

>>1824872
>>1824969

You're either butthurt Greeks or you're retards from Prisonplanet or some shit. I'm sure of it.

I don't care about the greeks, so...

Can anyone point out why I should care about the greeks? What benefit are they to me? (Or any nation?)

>>1824995
economics huh? hows that whole theory working out for the world?

>>1825018
Quite excellently, actually.
What's your alternative?

>>1824995
i distinctively remember Ben Bernanke in 2008, one of the worlds foremost economists, saying he didn't see a housing bubble. I remember, after the housing bubble popped, Alan Greenspan, another one of the world's foremost economist, looking into a camera and saying with a straight face that we oughtta burn houses caught in foreclosure down to the ground. And, i have to admit, economically speaking it was a good idea. So what does that tell you about economics?

>>1825055
>economics and economy
>"working quite excellently"

>>1825016
>Can anyone point out why I should care about the greeks? What benefit are they to me? (Or any nation?)

As I already pointed out in this thread: -

>Most Greek debt is held by French banks.
>Those same French banks hold fortunes in foreign debt, including half a trillion Euros of American debt.
>If Greece defaults on its debts the French banks will go under and face nationalisation or bankruptcy.
>If those French banks cannot secure that debt their debtors will be called upon to pay their debts.
>If those banks cannot pay their debts those banks will go under and face nationalisation for bankruptcy...

And so on, and so forth. It would be a repeat of 2008.

>>1825055
Oh, my alternative is to stop bailing people out. Stop throwing good money after bad. If I had it my way we wouldn't have bailed out the banks in 2008. That's my alternative. Go ahead and say that would have meant a lot of pain for a lot of people, it's true, but at least we would have gotten rid of the slimy leaches on Wall St. Now we are in the exact same shit, except Wall St. is more powerful than ever. Don't you lecture me on economics you dumb nignog.

>>1825096
Everything you own is thanks to capitalism.
Seriously though, what's your alternative?

>>1825077
It tells you that the richest people are so powerful they can afford to tell the truth.

A lot of debt? Print more money.
Too much unsold property estate diluting the market? Burn it down.

As a communist, I support the decline and disaster of all capitalist economic systems.

>>1825155
Fine, you're against Keynesian economics. Many people are. That doesn't mean you're opposed to all economics ever.

>>1825155
>Oh, my alternative is to stop bailing people out.

"Congratulations, you just sent millions upon millions upon millions of westerners in to poverty in a matter of weeks with no hope of getting out of it. Thank you for the second Great Depression.

Would you like to play a new game?"

>>1825155
Fine, you're against Keynesian economics. Many people are. That doesn't mean you're opposed to all economics ever. That's because economics isn't a theory, it's a field. Calling economics false is like calling physics or biology false.

>>1822470
>The only way they can beat this thing is by using the commons that they've created to enact revolutionary praxis

Someone has been reading their Negri. And it arouses me sexually.

Anyways, it is odd that the system of planned general strikes has continued for as long as it has. It's really not often one is able to say "12 general strikes later".
Though it's a little problematic to say to Greece that they ought to "produce and distribute themselves", as Greece has never had a particularly big industrial sector.

>>1825193
Either way you, me, and the rest of our generation have had the next thirty years, our most productive years, completely fucked. Housing is fucked. Our future is fucked. We'll come out of this maybe, but not until we're a bunch of old fucks. I can accept that, but I can't accept giving some suit in Jew York a fucking raise for it.

Stay vigilant comrades.

>>1825195
Not exactly
You're aware that economics is a social science and not a physical science, yes?

>>1825285
he clearly doesn't have the first fucking clue

Fucking Eurotards, this Euro project is typical socialist bullshit using people for experiments with total disreguard for their future.

One struggle one fight.

>>1825285
Of course I am. I'm just saying that calling economics false is like calling psychology false.
Communsim, socialism, capitalism, it all falls under the balance of economics. If you're against keynesianism, state your reasons as opposed to just saying "ECONOMICS DOESN'T WORK WE SHOULD KILL ALL THE BANKERS"

>>1825265
>Either way you, me, and the rest of our generation have had the next thirty years, our most productive years, completely fucked. Housing is fucked. Our future is fucked. We'll come out of this maybe, but not until we're a bunch of old fucks. I can accept that, but I can't accept giving some suit in Jew York a fucking raise for it.

I agree with you but the fact is we'll be worse off if we simply let Greece and the banks collapse instead of trying to make sure they stay afloat.

If you're American (or non-European in general) you don't have much to worry about right now, as long as the Eurozone countries keep giving Greece bailouts and pressuring their government to adopt more austerity measures. With a some miracle this might actually bring Greece back to some semblance of stability.

However if Greece collapses and takes the French banks with it, half a trillion in American investment goes with them. Those American banks would need bailing out and I don't think the US Government can afford a repeat of 2008. I'm British, we have the exact same dilemma despite not being in the Eurozone.

So overall it's beneficial for all of us if Greece stays in the Euro and balances its books.

>>1825339
>Fucking Eurotards, this Euro project is typical socialist bullshit using people for experiments with total disreguard for their future.

Actually, part of the blame belongs to American banks. Greece was only allowed to adopt the Euro because it hid its deficits to meet the criteria, they effectively cooked their books and Goldman Sachs was the mastermind that taught them how.

>http://www.nytimes.com/2010/02/14/business/global/14debt.html

>>1825403

>Greece was only allowed to adopt the Euro because it hid its deficits to meet the criteria, they effectively cooked their books and Goldman Sachs was the mastermind that taught them how.

>>1825365
no, fuck that. letting bankers dictate what sovereign countries do is bullshit. the people should dictate what the country does. in the case of greece thats not happening. and this whole fiasco is just a question of how much longer are the citizens going to put up with it? probably not much longer, unless they like working for negative wages and watching the retirement savings disappear while under the load of oppressive taxes as far as the eye can see.

and we aren't anymore sovereign in america than they are. it's not the united states of america anymore! its the united states of americachinajapanindiathemiddleeastrussia. and the government, as worthless as it is, doesnt answer to people it answers to corporations, because people like the tripfag 'animal' think quality of life = you buying stuff that capitalism made. but i call bullshit, i could do without a lot of stuff but i want my country to be answerable to me, not multinational-fucking-corporations!

>>1825456
>no, fuck that. letting bankers dictate what sovereign countries do is bullshit. the people should dictate what the country does.

That's all well and good but the Greeks elected crooks in to government.

BANKS GOT BAILED OUT WE GOT SOLD OUT

>>1825364
So long as the fundamental foundations are attacked, it is entirely possible to attack a field as a whole, especially within the realm of the social sciences, where most of the fields are relatively new and as of yet do not have the same sort of epistemological stability as other fields.
I'm not saying disproving an entire field is a feasible endeavor, I am simply saying it is possible.

>>1825478
and america didn't? britain france germany? no crooks in china's government? japan(remember fukushima)? russia?!!

>>1825547
>and america didn't? britain france germany? no crooks in china's government? japan(remember fukushima)? russia?!!

Of course they did but Greeks elected a government who essentially SOLD all Greece's airports and highways as dodgy, hidden derivatives to hide their budget deficit and fraudulently enter the Eurozone.

Not only that but they paid Goldman Sachs $300 Million USD for the privilege.

They are literally and figuratively crooks, criminals, and gangsters.

sup
i got this

>>1825016
goes both ways.

Greeks are fucking retarded.

The Greek government put automated ticket machines in railway stations, but they purposefully designed it around an "honor system" and decided not to install barriers to stop people entering without a ticket.

And you think these people can manage an economy?

The quicker the Greeks burn down their own country, the quicker they'll sort out the worthless so the survivors can start rebuilding.

The rest of Europe bailing them out every time only perpetuates their mediocrity and savagery.

Let them fail. Let them suffer. Let them learn.

>>1825669
shill much?

>>1825709
u.s. too big to fail but lets let greece burn.
cool story bro

>>1825669
are you saying we should bail out the person who decided it was a good idea to lend them money?

>>1825728
Greece is in the 99%

Fuck them

>>1825728

Uh, I'm from the US and I think we should fail too. Delaying the inevitable is only going to make it more painful.

>>1825709
>Let them fail.

You're a fucking retard, have you been reading this thread?

People have explained how if Greece goes under we have another global financial sector collapse just like in 2008, do you really think countries that already blew a fortune bailing out banks back then can afford to do it all over again?

Greece failing would result in a depression for those of us who aren't even in the Eurozone.

>>1825771
Well by that logic we should just nuke the planet into oblivion right now.

I mean, it's inevitable, right? So best to get it over with.

>>1825798

I honestly do not know how you got spending cuts and elimination of government programs being equivalent to nuking the entire planet.

I probably just need to see your math... I'm sure you have a rational explanation.

>>1825786
FACT 1 - Mitt Romney, the current opinion provider for the right, says we should've let Detroit go bankrupt.

FACT 2 - Detroit's economy and Greece's economy are both things that are far beyond the typical teabaggers ability to understand, and are therefore exactly the same (since they both consist of a place they would never go, followed by the word "economy")

CONCLUSION - Greece should go bankrupt.

>>1825786

I've got news for you... Greece is going to fail... it already is failing.

No amount of money in the universe is going to change that.

Prepare your anus.

>>1825798
how is gay rights working out for you?

>>1825840

Are you saying Detroit is not a bottomless shithole for money?

>>1825786

The system NEEDS to collapse now and again. Otherwise, we're just handing off the debt to our children and grand-children.

I'm not one of those faggot baby-boomers. I'd rather deal with the problem myself than let that shit happen, thanks.

>>1825786
let's just throw money at the problem like we did in 2008. let's go through the same tired promises. 'housing prices will recover' unemployment won't get above 7% (remember that one? thats what we were promised as long as we passed the bailout) 'we'll invest in infrastructure' so on and so on. none of it was true. they'll feed you the same lines this time around, none of it will be true.

>>1825869
>>1825845
>>1825771
Tea Party 2012: Just burn this fucker to the ground now, because hell, it's gonna happen eventually anyway and I want to be here to see the fireball (before I die of old age in 3 years)

>>1825845
>I've got news for you... Greece is going to fail... it already is failing.

I've got news for you... Greece's problem is a simple math problem. If (emphasis on if) the Greeks balance their budget they will be in the clear, the Eurozone is more than willing to assist them financially until this happens.

It's not going to be easy, and the Greeks are going to become very poor for a very long time in the process, but it's not impossible. We're far from the worst-case scenario yet but if Greece does fail we're all going to need a lot of lube.

So you should probably be less negative, you just sound like you want Greece to collapse.

>>1825888

>let's just throw money at the problem like we did in 2008

We have no money to throw at it fuckhead, what part of this do you have trouble understanding?

>>1825912

No, asshat. I want to fix the problem rather than dress it up nicely and hand it to my kids.

Also, fuck teabaggers, you hasty-gen slut. Suck a dick.

>>1825888
>let's just throw money at the problem like we did in 2008.

Remember how the Dow crashed 2,000 points in 2008 right after the republicans rejected the bailout the first time? You're saying everyone on Wall Street was wrong about the bailout then, but you and your Fox News friends are right about it now?

>>1825940
>I want to fix the problem

Would you also fix a leaky roof by burning down your house?

ANYONE WHO THINKS THAT THE GREEK PEOPLE ARE TO BLAME FOR THE SOVEREIGN DEBT CRISIS IS RETARDED.

THE FUCKING FINANCIAL SYSTEM IS A CANCEROUS TUMOR ON THE WORLD, THIS RECENT CRISIS IS A SYMPTOM OF THEIR DISEASE.

THE BANKING SYSTEM HAS CORRUPTED THE GOVERNMENT AND BIG BUSINESS'.

THEY HAVE FUCKED UP EVERYTHING IN THE MODERN WORLD.

IT'S TIME FOR SOME FUCKING CHEMO, AND THE GREEKS HAVE THE RIGHT FUCKING IDEA!

>>1825930
>We have no money to throw at it fuckhead, what part of this do you have trouble understanding?

The part where "Teabaggers holding the government hostage due to some idiotic economic theology based on their completely fucktarded view of national economics" == "Not having any money".

>>1825984
second

>>1825959

It's nice how you down-play how big a problem this is, and then proceed to twist what I say into me being an anarchist. In fact, I am a little mad, say, a 7.5/10. So, I will therefore sage, because you are a faggot.

>>1825986
I hope you're having fun trolling. When you're done you can join us in the grown up world where money is an important matter and worth getting upset over.

>>1825959

A leaky roof? Are you serious?

This is a major compromise in the foundation.

The walls are crumbling and infested with rats.

Toxic mold permeates the carpet and furniture.

Crackheads have moved in and are sleeping and fucking in the basement.


Yes. Burn it down, there is no repairing this mess.

>>1825984
>ANYONE WHO THINKS THAT THE GREEK PEOPLE ARE TO BLAME FOR THE SOVEREIGN DEBT CRISIS IS RETARDED.

>The Greeks elect crooks in to government.

>Greek government pays Goldman Sachs to hide their deficit so they can enter the Euro.
>(The Eurozone has a strict limit on how high your deficit can be as a % of GDP if you want to join.)

>The Greek government collapses after a decade of wasting its EU subsidies on unsustainable spending.

Sorry I'm failing to see which part of this is not the fault of the Greeks and their government.

>>1826031
Because money > millions of starving, homeless, pissed off, rioting people, right? Or do they not count because they're foreigners?

>>1826040
Oh teabaggers, is there nothing you can't oversimplify to an idiotic metaphor? And the national debt is just like a family checkbook, right?

>>1826051
pull the cock out of your mouth and you might see the light

>>1826051
>Sorry I'm failing to see which part of this is not the fault of the Greeks and their government.

>Prioritizing money and the assignment of blame over the fate of millions of greek citizens.

Sure is heartless republican Randbot in here.

>>1826063

> Oh teabaggers, is there nothing you can't oversimplify to an idiotic metaphor? And the national debt is just like a family checkbook, right?

> Uses metaphor first
> tries to say someone else used it first

Okaaaaaaaay.fuckyou.jpeg

>>1826092
what the hell do you keep talking for? the greeks don't want the bailouts either, people of pol, the greeks don't want to bailouts either

>>1826092

>Sure is heartless republican Randbot in here.

Republican? I'm not even American. Randbot? I'm a socialist.

As a socialist I want to see the best outcome for the Greek people, that certainly is not default. The Greeks will be much poorer for much longer if they default instead of making spending cuts and balancing their budget, the Eurozone is more than willing to support them financially if they do.

As a Britfag my country has about a quarter of a trillion Euro worth of investment in French banks, those banks hold the majority of Greece's external debt and I'd rather not see them collapse because my country simply can't afford to bail out the banks again. Those French banks also hold half a trillion Euro worth of American investment, and I don't think the USA can afford another round of bailouts either. To make matters worse British and American banks hold vast amounts of debt in each other.

So yeah, forgive me if I'd rather see an outcome that involves the Greeks coming out less poor and without Greek debt crashing the global economy.

>>1826051
because the greek government is really in touch with the greek people and not some group of former and future bankers straining any and all money that passes through their coffers through their banking institutions first for maximum profit before defaulting...

>>1826231

>because the greek government is really in touch with the greek people

You're referring to the Greek government that paid $300 million to Goldman Sachs and sold off Greek airports and highways as stealthy derivatives so that it could enter the EU and engage in a programme of unsustainable overspending?

The Greek government should all be in fucking jail.

>>1826219
really? you want to prop up banks who loan money to the wrong people? i'm sorry, but, here goes, you're dumb.

>>1826268
let's throw the u.s. government in jail while we're at it, jus sayin..

>>1826280

>really? you want to prop up banks who loan money to the wrong people? i'm sorry, but, here goes, you're dumb.

French banks were not gangsters like Wall St. Nobody knew what a completely fraudulent house of cards the Greek economy was until it was too late because the Greeks paid $300 Million to Goldman Sachs to help them cover it up.

If anything I'm talking about propping up the Greek people, the ones who elected a government of crooks that are now putting the global financial system at risk. Nice of me? I think so.

>>1826310

>let's throw the u.s. government in jail while we're at it, jus sayin..

That might help, as well as all those Wall Street and London Stock Exchange fat cats.

Also Gordon Brown.

>>1826343
do you really think the greek people are being 'propped up'? i'm sorry, but, here goes, you're dumb. (or uninformed)

>>1826423

>do you really think the greek people are being 'propped up'? i'm sorry, but, here goes, you're dumb. (or uninformed)

Compared to the alternative, austerity measures and Eurozone bail-outs are indeed propping them up. They'll be a lot poorer for a lot longer if they default since they won't be able to secure government loans for, oh, ever.

>>1826525
>implying they're not going to be very poor for a very long time either way
>implying the rest of the piigs aren't going to have the same exact shit happen to them, eventually
>implying anyone in the world will be able to bail them out when they do