hurrr durr oh noes


My solution: Bomb the Iranians with Israelis.

>>1644309
More bluffing.

That's all this whole thing is, bluffing.

The US does not have the taste for another expensive war, especially against an opponent considerably more formidable, and in terrain a lot more difficult and rough.

The financial system is still shaky. Europe is in a major crisis. The last thing we need is 400 dollar a barrel oil.

The US and Iran aren't going to war, despite what the sensationalist media wants you to think.

inb4 false flag

>>1644309

They should, as it is perfectly clear the the US is a hostile country to their regime.
Israelis will start the war, not USA or Iranians.

>>1644346
You're right, but Israel does not agree with you.

Its all fun and games.. Ignore it.

Do you want to know when to pay attention to it? I'll tell you.. Syria must be dealt with first. Until Syria is neutralized, there shall be no military action directed at Iran. Syria is the key. When Syria falls, Iran will thereafter soon be fucked in the ass by so many U.S. and Israeli ordnance.

>boats vs aircraft carrier

>>1644368
Israel does not have the capacity to wage war on Iran.

It does not have the political will to start firing nukes at Tehran and killing millions of innocent people for no reason.

It's airforce does not have the capability to do the day by day bombing.

If it acts it needs the support of the US.

bullshit
source?

>>1644389
http://rt.com/news/iran-boats-uss-lincoln-hormuz-279/

>>1644384
The Syrian regime isn't going to fall without a direct intervention (like in Libya).

Iraq likewise is going to fall under Iranian influence.

>>1644400
What you're going to see is an Iranian resurgence, and there's nothing the US can really do about it except declare war, which they won't.

They also don't want to alienate the Iranians, they will be a valuable potential ally. More important than Saudi Arabia even, due to their unique position (access to the Persian Gulf, Caspian Sea, Caucasus, AND Central Asia, it would be an extremely valuable ally to the US against a Russian resurgence.), and the fact that the US is going to be forced to buy oil from them as Saudi production is strained by increasing demand.

If USA gets to Iran, China and Russia will be maaaaad

>>1644387

Time is running out for the Israelis, and they will be compelled to strike. Israeli fighter-bombers do have the capacity to strike Iranian targets in western parts of said country, but would be operating on their limits.
Their strategy is probably to escalate to conflict to include the US, because using airstrikes against the Iranian nuclear program will only put them back on schedule, not stop the program completely.
They will also need American help to deal with Hamas and Hisbollah in the Gaza strip and Southern Lebanon respectively. Both are backed by Iran, and will most likely present a danger to Israel in case of a war against Iran.

this is really interesting. Iran stated that it would sinik the ship if it returned.

If Iran doesn't attack, they've lost face and taht will mean that MANY more ships will arrive and all will be lost for Iran.

If they do attack, they will likely sink the ship, but they would have effectively started the war, giving nato permission to atatck Iran.

its fucking lose-lose for Iran. It will be interesting to see what happens.

Let's see what excuses to start a war they find this time.

>WW1 Lusitania
>WW2 Pearl harbour
> lol 9/11

>>1644476
They do have the capability to strike, but I would argue they do not have the capability to wage a prolonged air war against Iran, which is what they will have to do if they really want to win or make a difference.

damn, I didn't read it all. The ship passed without incident.

yep Iran is fucked.

>>1644346
This, the USA will not engage Iran directly, we will continue to sanction them however we can to weaken their economy, but a new war now? Not likely, the American people are sick of fighting Israels wars for them.

If this does happen, USA is in deep shit.
They have no money for this war, and iran is not fuckin Afghanistan or Iraq. iran is powerful (and potentially backed by russia and china)

>>1644476
I was wondering about this also. If iran is attacked, does israel start bombing lebanon simultaneously?

mfw when iran has drones

>>1644546
im pretty certain they would attack lebanon and sieze gaza while america is fighting their war for them.

if you thinkl carefully about it, its not very hard to see israel's aims.

holy shit Iran has drones?

that was quick, china is good at reverse engineering

Market uncertainty is a huge problem right now. Everyday the US doesn't make its intentions clear on Iran, is another day the market is unsure. Companies want to know what the US is going to do and need to be, before they go off on expensive acquisitions, expansions, restructuring etc

>>1644546

It would have to deal with Hisbollah one way or the other, yes.

>>1644346
Not to mention, the US left Iraq near Christmas. How else would they invade Iran? Through Afghanistan? Through a D-Day style amphibious invasion? Give me a break.

>>1644564
don't worry goyim, this is lies. Iran is sandnigger and has no army or technology. Go and attack these cave dogs america.

>>1644521
This would be sad. I just started to get my life together here in the USA. Now its going to be trashed further?

The US doesn't have the cash to invade Iran.

But in the age of drone warfare, dismantling a mid-power's navy and air force is a hell of a lot cheaper.

>that feel when you know iranian ships will never wander apparently without reason in USA sea territories

>>1644521

The situation is not really for Americans to decide at the moment. The current US government is committed to back up Israel, and the Israelis will use this to their advantage. It's called escalation-domination. It doesn't even matter who starts the war, the Americans will be drawn to the conflict whether they like it or not.
I for one pity the Iranians, they are in deep shit right now with no way out really.

>>1644593
I wanted to go to USA too (im italian) but I changed my mind after knowing what kind of sick fuck that nation is.

The American Navy alone would be enough to completely shut down Iran.

So let's not even do this, huh?

mfw Iran cancels israel off the fucking world map
> and his face too

>ahmadinjad jew
> 30,000 jews live in iran

>>iran wants to kill all jews
>>israel feels threatened, gets US to attack iran

>>>>Everyone hates US freedom and democracy

>>1644663
>bitches don't know about my milennium challenge
the American navy is hugely over-rated.

It has yet to be challenged by a modern nation. Its like saying my baseball bat is indestructable when all I've been doing is pumelling little girls with it. The moment I hit a 6ft shit brick house of a man it will snap like a twig.

>The American Navy alone would be enough to completely shut down Iran.

Yet some camel-riding arabs with boxcutters hijack 2 planes for over an hour in the most heavily defended airspace in the world, take down 3 wtc buildings with 2 planes, forcing US to attack iraq, afghanistna, pakistan, and libya.

>>1644736
The US Navy would wreck Iran's in any real battle. Millennium Challenge was pretty hugely retarded. The real concerns were laid out pretty well by this anon
>>1644346

>>1644715
>everyone hates us "freedom and democracy"

the only good thing you said

Iran does this all the time, they actually ram US ships as well with smaller vessels in hopes of causing damage.

>>1644755

As said before, this is the Israelis decision to make. If they start a war, the US fleet in the Strait will become a legitimate target for the Iranians - as when the Israeli airstrikes begin, it will only be a matter of time when said fleet will engage in a military action against Tehran.

>>1644786

>>1644802
I doubt Israel would be that stupid.

>speedboats

You're going to have to do a lot better than that, Iran

>>1644309

http://www.hark.com/clips/hdvkfqmmnk-wars-have-begun-that-way-mr-ambassador

>>1644786
they're not trying to cause damage they're just playing bumper boats you idiot

it gets boring out there

>>1644823
>speedboats, cruise missiles, mines and submarines
They only really need to sink one supertanker, and the price of oil will skyrocket at a moment of Western economic weakness, that is literally the only purpose Iran's navy will serve in a war with the US.

>>1644482
>excuse to start a war
>WW1
>WW2
>implying the US started these wars

>>1644309
This picture is so arousing

How hard is it for a foreigner to join the US Navy?

> iran has just discovered 45billions barrels worth of oil and 35 billion tons of natural gas
ah, i see now

>>1644309
how do they keep the jets form falling off do they technology to make it so the big boat doesnt turn in the water so that its always level?

>>1644862
Depends where you're from.
Generally it's easier than citizenship, look into it.

>>1644854
I meant having an excuse to enter in those wars, since the americans were neutral, and the government (and corporations) was not

>>1644872
they get tied down

In before Iran issues a diplomatic cable to Saudi Arabia, Dubai, and Kuwait announcing that they have heavily mined the strait of Hormuz to trap the US carrier inside the persian gulf, and then hammer the carrier, cruiser, and destroyer with hundreds of cruise missiles, killing 35,000 American sailors and several dozen billion dollars worth of material.

>MFW Iranian subs surface and take out the carrier task group launched from the fifth fleet in Oman to demine the strait, and sink more ships before escaping unharmed.

>MFW the US Congress declares war, and Iranian troops occupy Iraq and Afghanistan, and get neutrality out of Pakistan.

>MFW the USA cannot enter the Persian Gulf to stage troops in Kuwait, and has no direct path to Iran.

>MFW Europe abandons USA to its fate.

>MFW Russian Anti Air support shoots down dozens of US raptors and drones.

>MFW missile warfare renders the US fleet obsolete, and their attempt at a naval landing fails utterly.

>MFW USA has to send feelers for peace and gets humiliated after a few months and is completely unable to wage its war against Iran in any way.

>MFW Iran becomes a nuclear power.

>>1644886
wwi: The UK and France begged for our help
wwii: Japan bombed the fuck out of us.

>>1644886
Then you're probably a bigger retard that I expected:
>implying Pearl Harbor wasn't a reason to jump into WW2

>>1644899
they bombed some shitty island in the ocean that nobody cared about

>>1644564

Lol you dipshit. Drones aren't high tech anymore.
Here build some drones yourself: http://diydrones.com/

People who don't know about tech.. every country has drones. Except for african countries.

You Americans think you are so high tech and all.. lol.

>>1644862
Not hard at all if you're a Philippino, but honestly, I was stationed on that same exact ship for 4 years and to put it simply, it is a floating prison. Worst 4 years of my life, I would rather die than go back there. Does that give you some foresight on what it is like to be in the US Navy, because it is not about how cool the ship and weaponry/aircraft look, it is about how they treat you.

>USA can't bring down cavedwelers
>Going to go to war with another country that's like 1/6 the size of the USA instead

>>1644482
Do you know anything about the Pearl Harbor attack?

>>1644892
Wow dude, just wow

I never thought I would find the dumbest ass on /pol/, but here you are!

What's it like to know absolutely nothing about modern war, but still hold an opinion?

>>1644904
Either trolling, or pants on head retarded. Either way, you're probably british.

>>1644841
That, and maybe get one US destroyer or some shit.

Imagine how much the media would flip shit if that happened.

>>1644841
In that case Iran's economy will collapse.

>>1644910

>MFW all jingoists and arrogant Americunts get drafted and die 300 km from Tehran, and bleed out crying for mommy and bawling their eyes out.

>MFW your company can't even recover your body because their position gets overrun.

>MFW your mom thinks you died a hero, even though you died like a cowardly bitch weeping in the mountains for mommy.

>>1644904
>they bombed some shitty island in the ocean that nobody cared about
They teach this shit in school? Pearl Harbor was the largest Pacific base we had at the time.

>>1644922
>probably british
Fuck, this explains everything.

>>1644309

OMG YOU FUNNY, Democracy? in USA? yeah FAKE ones!!

Freedom? You can't even say FUCK SHIT DICK MOTHERFUCKER CUNT LICKER on the television....
How is that for your freedom of fake speech ;) haha

>>1644931
>draft happens
>feminists finally forced to shut the hell up

or maybe they'll still find something to complain about

Keep an eye on the news. A nuclear attack will unlikely come out of the blue from an enemy nation. Such an attack would likely be preceded by a deteriorating political situation. A war with conventional weapons between nations that both have nuclear weapons, if not ended swiftly, may escalate towards nuclear war; and even limited nuclear strikes in one region carry the likelihood to escalate towards an all-out nuclear war elsewhere

>>1644892

>MFW Iran is carpet bombed with American nukes and becomes the first country entirely made of glass.

>>1644899
WW1 Americans didnt give a shit (government did) and they sent the Lusitania to britain filled with passengers and ammo supplies, passing through german waters, after germany published on the new york times not to get on the lusitania cause they knew what it was carrying and it would have been sunk
WW2 here http://www.independent.org/newsroom/article.asp?id=1930

you're welcome

>>1644945
Nuh theyll twist it to say its not gender equality if women are forced to fight.

>>1644953
>carpet bombed
>american nukes

what are you 10?

>>1644590
You don't need troops on the ground straight away to start a war, it is not like they can retaliate efficiently.

>>1644953
>MFW idiots like you cant shut the fuck up

>>1644940
>Freedom? You can't even say FUCK SHIT DICK MOTHERFUCKER CUNT LICKER on the television....
Truly we are East Germany all over again.


Obviously, you've never seen HBO

>>1644579
They've had them for ages. Saying they have "drones"is somewhat hyperbolic as Irans UAV's are barely autonomous.

>>1644961
What are you gay?

>>1644892

That whole trapping the US carrier fleet in the Strait is a funny scenario, except for the fact that in American doctrine fleets tend to move away from the zone of conflict before the fighting starts - like in 2003. Striking against US forces before they can withdraw to a safe distance would make Iranians the aggressor but letting them escape would be strategically stupid as well. Lose - lose.
I will say this again, the Israelis will start the war and Americans will join in sooner or later.
And the Israelis will start the war for they have no other alternative anymore.

>>1644983
cool comeback bro, you need to stop watching action movies

>>1644987

>>1644992

Just to let you know, you're getting your ass handed to you by the other guy. I only mention it because you don't seem to realize that calling someone gay as your only response makes you look completely mentally retarded. Have a nice day. Way to prove you're not ten.

>>1644909
Hey, why nobody knows japan's navy code was already broken ?

>speedboats vs the most powerful warship on Earth

Really.

>>1645009
Way to prove you're not gay, faggot.

>>1645022
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Millennium_Challenge_2002
Your daily reminder.

>>1645041
Please take your childish comments back to /b/

>>1645049

>>1644736
> millenium challenge
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Dear god, all that casual. Look, the Millenium Challenge is disregarded amongst military experts and scholars because it is not an accurate portrayal of military conflicts. Instead it was a huge fucking soap opera between disgruntled ex commanders and their replacements, with twists and turns like bending the rules and pulling strings with the higher ups. Allin

>>1645043
hahahahaha probably WW2 japan's navy would do the job against modern usa navy, that's hilarious

>>1645060

Lol all that denial. One intelligent officer (and he is intelligent I've listened to him speak) showed the USA how it could improve on its methods, and got forced into retirement for doing well in the war games.

The reason it's disregarded is because the USA is full of old guards and amateurs who are just as jingoist and chauvanist as you.

USA is going to get pulverized by Iran precisely because Iran is completely outmatched by the USA's fleets and has to find alternative ways for dealing with the challenge which the USA will be completely unable to cope with because they're so head up their ass retarded and set in their ways.

>>1645060
The butthurt is strong in this one.

>>1645084
Hear! Hear!

The Navy is failsauce.
All navies are failsauce.
They only thing they are good for is a place to park jets.
Seapower is dead.

There is NOT going to be a war between Iran and the US. In the end, the Obama Administration will offer to build Iran's Nuclear Energy Plant. In return, Iran destroys all its weapons making Nuclear material. Iran get the biggest prize of all, a US and EU open market for their products. They lose nuclear weapons, they gain wealth and technology like that of Japan and South Korea.

>>1645102
yeah they need to figure out how to make aircraft carriers fly they'd be a lot more useful in the air

>>1645084

>USA is going to get pulverized by Iran...

erm... with what, exactly?

>>1645022
Iranian speedboats can launch a salvo of missiles capable of sunking even the biggest boats of the us navy, plus they're difficult to reveal and hard to hit

>>1645139
yeah if they paint them blue they'll be invisible

>>1645124
US actually had flying aircraft carriers.

>>1645084
> The reason it's disregarded is because the USA is full of old guards and amateurs who are just as jingoist and chauvanist as you.

It is disregarded because it was more than military tactics. The drama between the commanders is precisely why it is completely unrealistic. Not to mention it was in fucking 2003.

>>1645178
2003 was only 10 years ago its not like everything changed since then

>>1645160
Parasite fighters and blimps with a seaplane strapped to it don't count.

>>1645125

Small craft and subs launching sophisticated short range antiship missiles, probably. I could also see some sophisticated submarine drones releasing mines beneath ships to rapidly float to the surface and impact and surround the fleet.

Iran's best and brightest are working on the challenge. Cost effective ways to close the strait and keep it closed without a toe to toe encounter is an inescapable. Iran's not going to send their fleet up to engage the USA in a 'fair' fight, you dense child. They're going to use missiles and small skirmishing mosquito fleets to peck the US to death and put egg all over it's face.

This is going to be America's Finnish Winter War.

Well this thread got stupid.

>>1645139
>iranian speedboats
>salvo missiles

> implying either would subvert the carriers defenses in its escort and onboard phalalnx/aegis.

>>1645191
Look up Akron and Macon you uneducated retard.

>>1645211
all you have to do is get up to the carrier and make a pin sized hole and the water will make the hole bigger and bigger until the carrier sinks

>>1645199

>Iran's best and brightest are working on the challenge..

teehee

>>1645117
>In the end, the Obama Administration will offer to build Iran's Nuclear Energy Plant. In return, Iran destroys all its weapons making Nuclear material.

We've made that offer before. It was declined. They say it's not a nuclear plant they want, but the science and technology behind it so they can advance science in the islamic world.

>>1645221
You don't know shit about naval warfare. Ever heard of damage control? Since WWII It's been an integral part of US naval doctrine.

>herpa derpa about aircraft carriers being outdated
>completely ignore that the United States has the largest submarine force in the world

Everybody talking about Iran and USA
>implying China and Russia will remain neutral

>>1644438
>>1644438

> MFW Russia and China are not going to engage in some sort of "Cold War" ressurgence. This is not the 1980s.

>MFW I have no face.

>>1645241
Yes, they would.

>>1645241
>implying they won't

>>1645240

Nope, that would be China. And North Korea has the second largest. Sorry. Maybe if you said 'most sophisticated' you wouldn't be looking like a retard right now. But you'd still look like a jingoist head up the ass moron. :)

>>1645241
They will,
they will however supply the latest tech possible to test against the west to Iran as the intermediary.

>>1645241
They're far more likely to remain neutral than engage in World War 3

>>1645221
Sounds like the basis of one of those troll physics comics.

>>1645241
>>1645241

China and Russia will not stay neutral, but they wont engage in all out military conflict. Russia is in no position to do this, and frankly, it's not in China's interests. They'll posture, kick up a fuss, veto any UNSC resolutions. Maybe they'll even sponsor some resistance. But their militaries will not be involved, this is just scare-mongering.

>>1645253
but that's wrong

http://www.globalfirepower.com/navy-submarines.asp

>USA 75
>China 63
>North Korea 58

all the iranians need to do is to go to antarctica, tow cable a few icebergs, take them back to the place with the boats and ram them into the aircraft carriers

>>1645253
>>1645265
owned

>>1645262

>Lol he thinks China won't be sending millions of dollars worth of arms and aid to the Taliban and Al Queda militias across the border in Afghanistan as soon as USA goes to war with Iran.

>MFW he thinks Russia isn't going to be providing state of the art Anti-Air support to shoot down every single drone and raptor that enters Iranian Airspace.

The Iranian military isn't going to have to do shit besides shoot down US air power and invade Afghanistan and Iraq and anyone else who thinks about helping the USA.

Iran won't occupy Afghanistan either. They'll do the fascist thing and round them up and put them in mass graves, and colonize their lands with loyal Iranians.

It's happening

>>1645267
>implying they won't melt by the time they get there
would have been a good strategy

HOLY CRAP

the US aircraft carrier is being attacked!

http://uk.reuters.com/article/2012/02/14/reports-USS-Abraham-Lincoln-engaged-idUKTRE81D0XZ20120214

>>1645379
link does not work dude!

Anyone remember during the 2008 republican presidential primary how Mike Huckabee talked about how if he were in charge, the iranians in those boats would have felt 'the might boot of the united states military' or some shit like that? Good thing he lost or, according to him, we'd be at war right now.

http://news.sky.com/home/world-news/article/16169602

Iran has done it!

lol twitter is beiong flooded with people saying that aircraft carrier is being bombed

>>1645311
>>1645311

I said they would probably sponsor the resistance. What I said was that their official militaries wont get involved. Read my post, numbnuts.

While I agree on the money/supplies thing, I doubt they'll try and take over anywhere substantial while fighting. Maybe a little expansion, but the whole of Afghanistan? Really?

Israel on the other hand would have a perfect opportunity to finally blitz Gaza and West bank, most of southern Lebanon and expand quite comfortably into it. If the Iran thing kicks off, the Iranian-sponsored militas are hardly likely to stay quiet. It'll be 1982 all over again, but I doubt Israel would pull out again because this would be the kinda conflict that wouldn't be over quickly.

>>1645410
>>1645402
>>1645379
>>1645317

it has begun

>>1645402
troll level 2/10
go away

>>1645429
ok

>>1645379
>>1645379

Fake and gay.

>>1645402
>>1645402

And this is ridiculous. "An Iranian ID card was found nearby"

Like a fucking terrorist would wander around with their ID in their pocket. This whole situation stinks.

>>1645448
pretty much this, also
>israel claims it was iran
come on ... we are not stupid

>>1645448
all terrorists do it. Didn't you know? How else would people know who to bomb back?

>>1645480
yeah, and what if they get pulled over or they need to rent a car?

>heatwave in Israel, many old Israelis die of heat stroke
>Netinyahoo immediately blames Iran and pledges to wipe Iran, a leading terrorist state, off the map.

>Jew logic

>superior iranian tactics
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mnuv81ngoAI&feature=related

>>1645473
you'd be surprised how many people actually believe these botched embassy attacks are actually legitimate Iranian terror attempts.

IT IS TIME
for false falg operations

>>1645499
>>1645507
Wait, did you click the wrong post?

>>1645519
you're late to the false flag party bro

>>1645523

I directed
>you'd be surprised how many people actually believe these botched embassy attacks are actually legitimate Iranian terror attempts.

at
>>1645473

I saw this and fucking shat myself
>I didn't read the text.

>sky usually has ''breaking news'' on 3 different stories when major things happen

>>1645560
i lold

>>1645560
BREAKING NEWS

>>1645560
>>1645560

This is not fucking news. I hate corportate media.

>AP: ISRAELI CABINET MINISTER SAYS ISRAEL WILL "SETTLE THE SCORE" WITH BANGKOK ATTACKERS

http://news.sky.com/home/world-news/article/16169602

>>1645601
Israel vs Iran charity basketball game

>>1645601
garuanteed war.
Israel's definition of ''settling the score'' means it will do a thousand times more damage than was caused to them

>>1645601
>>1645560
>>1645541
>no one saying anything abou the iranian nuclear scientists killed by jews

Paultards probably jerking off right now, wars are a little sexual fantasy of theirs

>>1645596
IKR

>>1645626
nobody should want war
watch this
>inb4 2 hours tl;dw

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_MCbTvoNrAg

>>1645624
its old news though. Why would that be relevant here?

>>1645560

"We have to interrupt you because we have some BREAKING NEWS...."

"At the moment this is yet to be confirmed..."

"a source at associated press has informed us..."
"Katy Perry and Russell Brand to divorce"

>>1645617
For the 10000x time, there won't be any war because the US cannot afford it due to various reasons.

Sure is mind-controlled msm victim

>>1645665
lol'd

MSM todaty really is pathetic.
I wish there were seperate ''social media'' news sites and the main sites strictly post serious and important stuff.

I don't want to have ''somefags have baby'' pasted all over the news. I couldnt care less

>>1645675
America can always go to war. It will just use emergancy powers to issue more debt.

>>1645650

It's called simply being human. Wake up from fantasy land because at our core level, we are a violent warlike species. We have always, and will always fight with one another. This is the base nature of mankind.

man will fight man
man will fight woman
neighbor will fight neighbor
city will fight city
state will fight state
rich will fight poor
race will fight race
country will fight country

The ONLY possible way we would ever get along as a species is through the discovery of life on another planet. And that, only because we would immediately ban together to start fighting that new species, or if more advanced than us, befriend them until we gained their technology so we could turn it against them.

Welcome to life at it's truest.

>>1645697
human nature fallacy

>>1645691
Iran is not Libya and even in Libya the US controlled NATO couldn't do anything without hiring foreign Mercs and Terrorists.

And it's not even just because of financial reasons but also due to the oil supply chain and the political situation within the US that could easily get out of control with a new big war.

>>1645711
Prove it is a fallacy, you can't really because present, past, future and differentiation and variability that nature demand exist and will always exist and prove this right.
The only way fighting and competition stops is if humanity turns into a robot mindhive.

>>1645697
i think it is pointless to talk with him, some people in this world are too weak to accept the realization that so long as differences exist in the world, so will clashing of them and so will competitive attitude over them that garners advancement.

WE WANT OIL OIL OIL OIL OIL OIL OIL OIL OIL

The Middle East has a zinc deficient diet. Hand out zinc tablets to everyone and they will all live together peacefully

They aren't going to attack an aircraft carrier. Do you have any idea how large and powerful the fleet of battleships is that escort the aircraft carriers? It's huge. They don't go anywhere without their compliment of fast attack ships. Anyone who attacked an aircraft carrier would be committing suicide.

This is the USS Abraham Lincoln and her battlegroup.

>>1645842
a hundred of cruise missiles will do the job

>>1645872

Iran has no cruise missiles that work.

Im not saying Iran is capable, but generally speaking:

>USS Abraham Lincoln
Cost $4.5 billion in 2007 dollars.

>Tomahawk missile
Cost US$569,000 (1999),
1,45 millions Tactic version (2011)

If you do the math, the same math Western European countries who focus on missile development as well as China do,
you got yourself a fleet of scrap metal.

>>1645895
you wish

I think it's standard procedure if you send a huge craft into someone else's territorial water, that they follow it around.

It's essentially the justification for having a government.

>>1645895
China would be willing to supply their cruise missiles for testing purposes. Pretty high tech stuff presently.

You know when people tie a wire between two posts and decapitate a biker? Could Iran tear off a carrier's tower with a long cable across the strait?

>>1645903
There is a pretty cool space MMO called Eve online.

Retards by big huge destroy ships. Smart people amass huge fleets of cheap replaceable ships.

Huge fleets of cheap replaceable ships win out against the most expensive shit every time.

Might not reflect reality, but economically it makes sense.

If you can launch 1,000 anti-carrier missiles at a supercarrier, for less than the cost of a super carrier.

The super carrier is taking a huge risk just by existing, since IF those 1,000 missiles get past AEGIS, the carrier is fucked.

IF it DOESN'T, they just try again with 2,000, and it's still cheaper than the super carrier.

>>1645957
You would need a big ass cable to resist, and if was big it would be noticeable

>>1645961

Unfortunately the US needs those carriers if it wants to do stuff on the other side of the world.
My guess is that in the first weeks of the coming month you will see the American fleet withdraw from the Straits. That will signal the coming of the war because it will be followed by Israeli air strikes against nuclear facilities and military targets in Iran.
Just wait and see.

>>1645909
>someone else's territorial water

nope.

>>1645957
An Iranian sneaking into the control room and pressing buttons randomly would be easier, less ridiculous and probably do more damage.

>>1645961
War doesn't work that way. Because the problem is this you can't launch that many missiles at once because there is not enough launching platforms. Which also cost money to make, man, and deploy by the way. The other problem being when your first assault fails they don't take a break and let you try again. All you launch platforms are bombed. Now you have nothing.


Supersonic cruise missile max range 300km. Carrier based aircraft operational range 1000km. Have fun getting close especially with forward escorts 500 miles forward of the Carrier. And B52s loaded down with anti-shipping missiles patrolling from regional bases and 10 nuclear subs with predeployed conventional torpedoes in front of them waiting as a screen. And anti-shipping ballistic missiles have to get past the Standard Missile 3 screen put up by 50 escorts, and with shitty terminal guidance inherent to hypersonic missile due to ionization of the atmosphere around the warhead vehicle fucking with the sensor suit it probably won't hit a ship undergoing maneuvers.

Now you could ambush a carrier group going through a straight during peacetime but that would rely on land based systems rather than a navy. And enjoy getting your civil and military centers bombarded to shit by regional bombers equipped with cruise missiles in retaliation because if they keep them at range that is the only carrier you will sink.

How 'bout you compare Halo to infantry tactics next, I'm sure it will be insightful.

>>1646075
>herping the derp
You couldnt even detect one million gooks massing along a frozen river.

>>1646075
This is all theorizing actually, you are the only retard here trying to pass something that is yet to be seen and finalized through action as fact.
Launch pads for missiles can be as cheap as an old junker towtruck and there is no way to know just how many missiles that fleet can take down because a thing like this didn't happen yet.
But fact remains that economically there is probability of missiles of higher numbers penetrating and spreading ruin among the fleet and cheap.

>>1645957
The largest span a cable has ever crossed while supported only from the ends is the Pylons of Messina holding a power line across the 1.3 mile wide Strait of Messina.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pylons_of_Messina

The narrowest the Strait of Hormuz ever becomes is . . . 34 miles wide. So it would be an unprecedented feat of engineering (and virtually impossible) to span that gap with a cable supported from the ends on land.

>>1646075

can't wait to see the latest russian made s-400 AA system at work

>>1646075
Russia and India have next gen anti-ship missiles that would rip your carriers to pieces without your fleet knowing.

Iran doesn't have them though

>>1646119
I really want to see this now.

>>1646134
rip your carriers to pieces without your fleet knowing.
yeah, ok bub.

>>1644715
>>iran wants to kill all jews

Iran doesn't wanna kill Jews they want Israel gone shit there's tons of Jews that live in Iran.

>Supersonic cruise missile max range 300km
Tomahawk missile range is 2500km subsonic and supersonic missiles wouldn't work en mass on dense targets in multiples.
>forward escorts 500 miles forward of the Carrier
Escorts are the first ones that go down, expanding them one from another only makes each individually an easier target and Tomahawks can be controlled in their path so as to avoid or divert.

China has developed a missile system of small and thus much faster and harder to detect from materials and harder to hit missiles.
To say the least, glorifying a fleet that is yet to face the situation real time of hundreds of missiles coming at it is idiotic.
Thinking China won't support Iran by supplying and testing their missiles and systems through it is an even bigger moronic assumption and underestimate which could potentially cripple one.

Hence US and the west is only sanctioning still, hence there is massive protest against war and infighting between governments and positions.
You might the Internet warrior, but the governments are the ones with the brain.

>>1646204
>China
>Doing anything to threaten trade relations with the U.S

pick one.

>>1646219
China would risk trade relations.

But not for Iran. Seriously there are still other oil producing nations in the world, they will go leech them.

>>1646219
I can see you are a complete retard.
They aren't threatening anything, the private military suppliers have no connection to the government and it is hands free from any direct blame.
The similar way USA supplied the middleeastern countries with its own weaponry against Soviets and Iraq against Iran during the war.

Politics 101 you child.

>>1646240
>against the soviets
>in a cold war
>where we weren't trading with the Soviet Union.

>>1646242
wat

>>1646257
It is irrelevant who you trade with or not.
Private suppliers go through multiple tier intermediaries.
You can go suck in a corner and cry because you can't blame shit.

>>1646271
>it is irrelevant who you trade with or not.

Yeah i don't think so bob.
If Chinese military technology ended up in Iran there would be serious implications.

>>1646240
>private military suppliers

hahaha owow

Anyways, China will support Iran covertly. They have to

>>1646271
U mad?

>>1646298
Support them how?

>>1646294
If US stopped trade relations with China both would be equally fucked.
And no one would say shit about the tech.
The same way no one says shit about AK's all over the world and doesn't break up with Russia.
This is how retarded you sound.

>>1646306
Weapons, information.

China gets about 20% of their oil from Iran because Iran is the only oil producing country in the middle-east that isn't controlled by the US.

Yes, China gets oil from Iraq but it's US controlled and paid for in Dollars.

Personally, I hightly doubt a militaric intervention in Iran in the next couple of years,
There's really nothing going for it, especially when you consider that the US establishment is pro Sotoro as a puppet in public-relation
which wouldn't work out that good during a big war with dozens of causalities.

>>1646309
Comparing AK's that were liquidated mainly as a result of the dissolution of the Soviet Union to Chinese cutting edge missile tech.

The United States would be better off than China if they stopped trade relations.

>>1646347
It doesn't matter what is compared because politically it is the same tier.
Can't
do
shit
about
China (allegedly)
supplying
weaponry.

As far as they are concerned China has been given an order to trade weapons for the oil in Iran instead of money and they have tied hands and did it.
If not that there are plenty people around Iran who hate the west and would set up supply networks.

You still don't understand simple politics used for ages and used still.

>>1646242
What is this?

>>1646387
Satellite image of some Chinese aircraft carrier in the workings.

>>1646309
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Type_56_assault_rifle

Fun fact: The AK-56 is actually a Chinese rifle.

>>1646347
I don't think so. But then again, trade relations will go on. That's the essence of proxy wars. The US made also covert tech transfer deals with the Soviets during the Cold War.

The US let the Chinese made contracts with Iraq after the invasion. The difference to Iran is that Iraq is now US controlled which gives the US more control over China.

China will support Iran but they won't declare a war because they still have Russia left as a partner although they seem to prefer to not be dependent on one source which is a smart decision.

>>1646394
I think it was a training carrier or something.

>>1646394
Is that the joke carrier that was going through the media recently?

Or a brand new, chinese manufactured one?

>>1646204
Talks about the Tomahawk, a anti-emplacment not anti-shipping missile, rather than the Harpoon or it's eqivalvents. Do you know why the tomahawk has such range? Because it is huge, it has a high fuel:warhead weight ratio. Antishipping missiles esspecially supersonic ones have much shorter range because they have to be more maneuverable, carry more guidance systems so they can hit moving targets, and burn through fuel faster because they are supersonic. There is no anti-shipping cruise missile in existence with a range greater than 300km.

But thanks for pointing out that tomahawks launched from the carrier group can also threaten any shore emplacements that launch the anti-shipping missiles from beyond their range.

The issue is not that the fleet is invulnerable it's that these particular missiles are not the trump card you think they are.

>>1646412
Don't know, the only thing i know is this:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/china/8959279/First-satellite-image-of-Chinese-aircra
ft-carrier-reveals-absence-of-key-component.html

>>1646412
It was another purchase i believe. For "research" purposes.

>>1646242
Why would you construct a carrier in an enclosed lake?

>>1646432
To test upon it?

>>1646394
It's the old Russian one, they are more likely to take it apart so they can learn how to make new ones in the next 30 years instead of making that one a new carrier.

>>1646422
Correct, i should have used more modern examples of much smaller and faster missiles which are about similar price and not any less deadly.
Still, we wait and see if a situation sprouts,
no point in theorizing albeit numbers get the starting favor.

It's not a real carrier, just a building that looks like one.

>>1646465
Yep. this was built for testing purposes, testing of western nerves.

>>1646242
>>1646242
>>1646412
>>1646406

People were herping and derping about this, getting all confused and panicy. It's fuck all. It's a museum/educational centre that kids get invited to.

http://www.bobhenneman.info/china.htm

0/10

ITT: Asshats

>>1646519
Takes one to know one.

>2012
>Still using fleet carriers

False flag coming up.

Oh lawdy, if they trap the murrikans in the strait, they'll stay to the end. It'll be another alamo for them.

>be douchebags
>celebrate being a douchebag
>alpha as fuaaaaark

This is so retarded another jew/oil bullshit war.

...but come on anyone with half a brain knows all the Iranians can do is get their shit kicked.

I'll just leave this here....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QZSutX7c1Xc

>>1646824

This a thousand times over, people here in /pol/ need remedial media studies 101 and some basic knowledge of past false flag ops.

Ever hear of the term "posturing"? Yeah...