I'm watching them get arrested in Portland now.

A lot of them are fucking retarded.

The idea is good, but with a fucking terrible execution.

The cops are insane.

>>127340
>Eat the Rich
Nope, no violent rhetoric here folks. Keep looking at the racist, terrorist Tea Partiers.

I'm part of the 53%

Fucking commie scum.

It is the best indictment of our education system to date. Kids with six digit education payments who can't speak cogently.

>>127368
PJ O'Rourke, who supports the Tea Party, wrote a book in 1998 called "Eat The Rich."

Fuck off.

Tim Wise - An Open Letter to White People
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DGWuNzIsVWo

Marxists of the 21st century : "New Left"?. (Read Description)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_FA9qQh1ykM

The European Union - the New Soviet Union?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bM2Ql3wOGcU

Ideological Subversion
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5gnpCqsXE8g

Deception Was My Job
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y3qkf3bajd4

Reality Mugs a Liberal
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GH9VA5F4AF4

Peter Schiff Speaks for 1 Percent at Occupy Wall Street
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UGL-Ex1CD1c

The only problem is that they want change but don't know how to do it. I like how they are spreading the word though. Maybe someone will bring the change. The media is trying to ignore it and for what they do show is just the bad of it to try to make everyone hate it.

>>127356

>>127369

Another movement that started off well when it was a minority of intelligent motivated philosophers and pragmatic idealists then became a farce when the bottom 99% in intelligence joined in.

I'm beginning to think the real problem here is that people who should be in the top 1% aren't, not that there is something inherently wrong with that class division.

They're statists, I don't care what happens to them.

The rounds that work the best.

>>127378
I think the word you're looking for is "coherently." By using "cogently" you're implying you can even be slightly convinced to agree with them, which is just completely false.

>>127355

THIS.

They have the right idea, but the wrong methods. And no one seems to realize this one bit.

So what do these guys want? I don't understand. Money and for the corporations to shut down?

>>127470

If not one of the plethora of facts and indictments against Wall Street and corporate greed can't get you "slightly convinced" to agree with them, chances are you're sociopath.

I just think its sad their General Assembly is racist and sexist.

Why do they say that capitalism promotes profit only when the main point of capitalism what it wants to reach is price = marginal costs.

>>127340

Hippy's refuse to get a job while using there parents hard earned money to lay around doing nothing.

>>127524
>refuse

Are you one of those people who thinks ALL of them are hippies with useless degrees?

>>127531

Not all, but a majority.

>>127524
>Hippy's
>ippy's
>ppy's
>py's
>y's
>'s
Man, bro, I'd think you were the communist given the way you freely distribute apostrophes.

>>127531

I am the 53 percent

>>127547
>I GREW UP IN A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT ATMOSPHERE AND ECONOMIC SITUATION, THAT MEANS YOU'RE ALL A BUNCH OF LAZY BUMS.

>>127531

Have you seen them? there are Mac book airs everywhere, theses people aren't adults there children that expect the government to hand them money for having a liberal arts degree.

>>127534
>>127524

>They should get a job

okay let's evaluate

>I can't get a job because I didn't go to school
>I can't make money because I don't have a job
>I didn't go to school because I couldn't afford it
>I couldn't afford it because I couldn't get a job.
>I can't get a job because I didn't go to school

Highschool diploma =! working. Alright

College diploma = approx.73% with one working, 27% not

Fucking faggot hipsters need to stop wasting everyone's time with their self-entitled bullshit and get a real job

>>127547
What is wrong with you, do you know how bad the job situation is in America? Even fucking McDonalds got over a million applications for 50,000 jobs. There are plenty of people at those protests who have been trying for jobs for months or even years. Also the student loans in your country are fucked up and they charge you obscene amounts to get an education, not everyone gets scholarships.

>>127545

Maybe he meant: refuse as a noun

Its the hippy'e refuse all over the streets. Also they pee and poop every where.

>>127580
Not to mention the stink.

Anti-white Marxists

>>Not even once

>>127570
>I can't get a job because the minimum wage is too high.
In the Netherlands your minimum wage is lower when you're under 23. (35% for 15 year olds, 85% for 22 year olds)
It's also the European country with the lowest youth unemployment.(Much lower than the USA)

>>127570

>I can't get a job because I didn't go to school
get a loan, get a grant, they are out there.
>I can't make money because I don't have a job
get a job
>I didn't go to school because I couldn't afford it
see first point
>I couldn't afford it because I couldn't get a job.
Or you didn't work, save up then at least go to community college. Or point one.
>I can't get a job because I didn't go to school
OR you are unwilling to work a lower income job.

>>127570
A long time ago, a HS diploma was all you needed. Now you need multiple master's degrees from an esteemed college.

I never get tired of posting this.

>>127369
>>127547

So? You got jobs cause you worked for it.

What does that have to do with anything? Some of us can't work.

>>127622
>Some of us can't work.

Can't or won't?

It's sad how there are people who shout
>FUCKIN HIPPIES GET JOBS LIKE REAL PEOPLE
when infact the guys protesting are on the side of every working joe.

>>127626

> Can't pay off debt

> Can't

Looks like you're making excuses again, hippie.

>>127622
The some of you who can't work because they are handicapped or something are such a small percentage that you need a specialized program for it.
Not something that counts for everybody as that is horrible inefficient.

>>127631

can't.

Two most common words in the job market right now

>overqualified
>underqualified

If you aren't in the middle, enjoy being assfucked out of a job for eternity.

>>127618
>implying the occupy protesters aren't demanding jobs that they are not qualified for with their pointless liberal arts degrees
>implying they aren't willing to take lower paying jobs for short term periods
>implying combating failure of the Obama administration to properly handle the recession=/=remarking on the OWS...you know what. The OWS wasn't about jobs, just the 1% controlling wealth.
The whole "I can't get a job" shit started when people posted pics of themselves with pieces of paper bitching about lifes "unfairness"

>>127642
If you're overqualified you should get a job under your level for a while until you've found a better job.

>>127631
It took me 8 months to find a job with an engineering degree. I applied to about 40 fast food/restaurant jobs and shittons of warehouse jobs

>>127643
>Pointless liberal arts degrees

Stopped reading there. That strawman/meme resonates with absolutely no one beyond your shitty echo chamber of retards.

>>127636


Not a hippy, actually despise them, but you're a retard or troll.

How're you going to pay for it when you don't have a job? You're in debt going to school, have to drop out, still in debt, your life is effectively ruined.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rls8H6MktrA
This guy should come back.

>>127626
national debt =/= your ability to receive a loan or a grant. They are out there.

>>127642
>overqualified

Doesn't exist, stop making excuses.

>underqualified

That's what you get for going after that High Arts Degree, instead you should have learn't a profession.

Nothing can solve your problem: you're lazy.

>>127578

I'm living with my father because I can't afford rent and he keep telling me to get a job when he's been laid off for 3 months with no sign of work.
I tell him I wouldn't be living with him If I could.
He keeps telling me to get a job every day anyway.

>>127652
That means they were searching for people.
If you can't find a job while they want to employ, the high minimum wage is the problem.

>>127653
ok question then, what work field would employ the knowledge learned from a liberal arts degree?

>>127665

Then get a fucking job.

>>127634

>>when infact the guys protesting are on the side of every working joe.

This is what they want you to believe, just like in the 60's.

>>Anti-White Marxists

Let me guess, the US government does not cap the amount you can be charged for education and it makes you pay back the loan whether you have a job or not? It would explain a hell of a lot.

>>127678
>Blame capitalism for government failures.

>>127672

>>127667
>That means they were searching for people.
what?

>>127670
still waiting for a reply to my post. Can anyone answer it?

>>127678

Essentially.

>>127670
>Mathematics, science, arts, and language are all parts of the liberal arts

>>127686

>blame capitalistic government for capitalism

>>127686
Who said anything about capitalism? I was just pointing out how fucked up it is that you Americans have to pay so much for a degree then get forced to pay back the loan regardless of your ability to do so. Here you only pay it back when you earn a certain amount and the more you earn the more you pay so high earning graduates pay it off faster, it gets paid automatically via the tax system.

>>127670
Read this, since it's clear you never set foot on a college campus.

http://www.dailyfinance.com/2011/04/04/what-good-is-a-liberal-arts-degree-in-the-job-market/

>>127702
>capitalistic government
>him going full dummy
>>127701
no, and obviously you're not in college.

>>127702
>Mixed economy
>capitalism.
Yeah no.
it's corporatism.
The enemy of capitalism.

>>127712
I graduated bro.
Please give me your definition of a liberal arts degree then please.

The rich eat you

>>127701

>>>Mathematics, science, arts, and language are all parts of the liberal arts

Glorified High School Diploma detected

>>127712
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberal_arts
>The contemporary liberal arts comprise studying literature, languages, philosophy, history, mathematics, and science.

Full fucking retard and further proof that ONLY retards spout off the HURR DURR LIBRUL ARTS meme.

>>127714
aka fascism

>>127719
actually I have a degree in physics

>>127722
In some way, yes.

>>127701

>Science

>Part of the Liberal Arts

>>127710
el oh el
tl;dr version
>Believe in your degree
>Sharpen your focus
>Market your skills
>But give your skills a boost
>Craft a cover letter and portfolio that shows off your degree
I snickered
>determine whether or not you need more education
literally all the bulletins of his link.

>>127731
It is, fuckwit. Jesus Christ.

Liberal, in this context, doesn't mean HURR DURR SOCOIALIZM.

>>127737

Liberal Arts always means a socialist education, fool.

Enjoy your Marxist theories.

>>127743
>Mathematics
>Marxist theories

>>127731
pretty much every university that is worth anything requires you to take at least a few science classes to get a degree.

>>127720
Oh wow I can quote your wikipedia site too Mr. College education
>The term liberal arts refers to a curriculum that imparts general knowledge and develops the student’s rational thought and intellectual capabilities, unlike the professional, vocational, and technical curricula emphasizing specialization

>>127754
so general knowledge and rational thought aren't helpful in getting a job?

>>127720

>4 mandatory topics all through scholastic lifespan

>Math
>Science
>Language
>History

wow, what the fuck. Don't learn anything mandatory that requires intellectual capacity, we're full on those.

>>127750
Who ever said mathematics=/=Marxist theories.Quit making up your own conversations.

You Americans and this stupid liberal arts term, here its just sciences, social sciences and humanities then all the sporty, arty and related stuff. Liberal arts just seems like a term bound to confuse people.

>>127758
They are but much of that is learned in high school, college is meant to specialize you in a certain job field. That is what employers are particularly looking for.

>>127754
Oh wow, and you can also completely lack any sort of reading comprehension too.

PRO-TIP: VOCATIONAL SCHOOLS DO NOT TEACH YOU THE LIBERAL ARTS

>>127761
Mathematics is part of the liberal arts, you fucking troll. Get out.

>>127765
>You Americans and this stupid liberal arts term
>It dates back to the Roman Empire

I'm fucking outta here. The anti-intellectualism is beyond depressing.

>>127758
Does it really enhance someone's "rational thought and intellectual capabilities"? If I needed someone with these qualities I'd be more interested in someone who's studied mathematical logic or philosophy of science and put them to use in a difficult field like chemomechanics.

>>127778


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>>127769

>>127778
But what you do not seem to get is that it only seems to be used by Americans, the term 'liberal arts' is never used here in an academic context, I have only heard it when talking to people from the US.

>>127771
>college is meant to specialize you in a certain job field
since when?

>>127813
Well a degree does teach you the advanced skills needed for a specialised field.

>>127813
Ok let me make this simple.
3 jobs open up.
1.Nurse
2.Engineer
3.Restaurant manager
The engineer position will go to someone with an electrical engineering degree
The nursing position will go to the one with the nursing degree who is a registered RN
the person with the liberal arts degree, being excluded
from the former 2 will have to take the third option.

>>127813
>I deserve to study liberal arts at the taxpayer's expense instead of a career oriented degree because I am special and superior to everyone else
>I am the 99%

I am currently working 2 part time jobs because my father got sick, he needs a kidney. I'm going to school because of a scholarship and I've stopped by Zuccotti park twice.
I support what they do, I think a federal investigation should be conducted on the banks, financial institutions and wall street for the financial collapse. I am sure these people broke laws and many of them would be off to jail if we didn't have a Corporate interests first type government. The only way we can get anything done in this country is apparently by throwing money at the most appealing and well spoken politician hoping something stick.

I've known this for a long time, this youth has been too apathetic. I mean 2 unpopular wars, 50 thousand Iraqi children dead, 5 thousand American soldiers dead in Iraq, a financial crisis, bombing campaigns in Yemen and Pakistan along with NATOs interference with Libya didn't get the people moving until a month ago or so? Now it is just a big ball of people pissed off along with democrats who are trying to hijack it. I've heard a lot of right wing, republican rhetoric at these things too so I wouldn't count it out.

So I do support them, even if it is a mess of people with conflicting views, I am pretty sure they will get it together and make a demand, hopefully against corporate lobbying groups or financial backing a lobbying group can give, regulation is a word I hate, but democracy suffers when it is wallet waiting to be filled. Maybe call for a real investigation too.

My 2 cents though

Why are the 99% and the 53% at odds?

>>127864
>>127864
>>127864
>>127864

College has always been and always will be an instructional forum to teach you different skill sets. Some skills are more useful in the current world than others, and what people seem to be overlooking is the fact that their passions may not necessarily facilitate a position the moment they get out of college. They do not modify their actions to conform to the current set of circumstances, they instead expect the circumstances to conform to their chosen series of actions.

While your heart and soul may lie in the English language or in Art, it is foolish and irresponsible to spend tens of thousands of dollars being trained in those skills when there are little to not job offers in those fields, and then to complain that you cannot find a job and are in debt.

REAALLLLLYYYY

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Ynd8kDk5Dw

>>127870
>9/11 happens, America is outraged, everyone demands action.
>We go to war, Bush has massive approval ratings, Democrats side with Republicans and vote to go to war overwhelmingly as well.
>What happens in war happens, Americans lose their stomach for it, the recession starts kicking in, Americans turn against it fully.
>Suddenly the war becomes about oil, even though we get practically none from Iraq, or about Imperialism, even though the governments we set up were fully elected by the people of said countries, and in turn are already showing signs of turning from America.

>>127622
Why the fuck do cripples and retards deserve free shit?

>>127897
Oh, so it really is a movie.

So I do support them, even if it is a mess of people with conflicting views
there are Communists there, Anarchists, people calling for the removal of all nuclear power plants, elimination of all debt owed on houses (lol bank crashing). They are varied ranging from asinine to somewhat plausible.

>>127710
>you didn't go to college so you're dumb

I do not support their attack on the Catholic Church
>its ideologically insensitive and unneeded
I do not support the concept of bringing weapons such as firearms or knives to protests for "checks and balances" to protect yourself from the police
>it only antagonizes the situation with the cops and if a riot breaks out, more lethal force will be used, this is an incredibly stupid decision
I do not condone their criminal activities
>the ones in my area steal power/internet and have cost the taxpayer around 500,000$ so far
I do not believe it is wise to attack or otherwise resist the law enforcement via standoffs
>it does not make you a martyr, only an idiot
I do not see a forum where speakers are given time due to a progressive system based on race as fair
>this assumes all of an ethnicity or gender is in the same socio-economic class or decile and penalizes some
I do agree with a right to free speech
>I do not agree that it is acceptable behavior to use your right to be offensive to others
I do agree that the system does have some flaws
>I do not agree that all of the problems stated are from these flaws
I think that criticizing corporate greed is one thing
>but it is another to do it without avarice or envy
I do not think it is wise to associate the movement with political groups
>I feel like special interest groups (see women's rights) or political parties (see marxist communists) distort the intentions behind the movement

>>127981
I do not see this as always a peaceful protest
>the ones in my area are bordering on unlawful assembly
I do not think they are winning people to their cause when they show blatant disrespect for those of differing opinions or law enforcement
>it just makes people see you as a bunch of ungrateful teens
I do not think it is okay to interrupt mayoral debates before an upcoming election
>to add insult to injury, they want to elect the guy who interrupted and he's a multiple felon with assault charges/aggravated assault and iirc battery. I don't think he is the pinnacle of who you want to represent your movement.

Could go on and on but it is pointless. The ones I interacted with were obnoxious and rather unintelligent in my opinion. So that probably contributes to my views.

>>127976
If you're passing judgment on the college system without having actually gone to a college and experiencing it for yourself, yes, you are pants-on-head dumb.

>>127778
>Ouspensky
Sounds juden.

>>127350
Where can I watch such a thing? Link?

>>127922

Only the sane didn't support the war from the beginning. Especially the one in Iraq, I never thought it was about oil but about ruling Iraq by proxy and having a military base in the region. Saddam wasn't involved in Al-Qaeda, he was a secularist which makes him a target for it, we gave him chemical weapons to fight Iran. He never had WMDs, faulty information that led us to war. First it was about security of America because of the threat of nuclear warfare, we find out that isn't true, then because Saddam supported these terrorist that attacked us...we found out this isn't true.

Sure we set up a "free democratic" system with a looming military base and a couple thousand of American soldiers monitoring it? I can imagine if the Iraqi people start voting for a man that starts talking to Iran freely and reject American presence in his country how long will he be alive.

It is a ridiculous situation that caused millions of refugees and countless deaths. We ruined a country and its people because of these false threats. Just like we decimated Vietnam where children are still being born with birth defects because of the amount of military we used.

this American government has some sort of bloodlust.

>>127797
Over here the generic term for a shit degree is media studies.

>>128015
An homage to P.D. Ouspensky, you cultureless fuck. A Russian CHRISTIAN and one of the greatest philosophers and esotericists of the 20th century.

Deal with it.

>>127897
This guy gets it.

OWS is a bunch of people who are exercising their 1st amendment rights that many Americans take for granted. As as some people don't like the movement for whatever reason, they should respect their right to protest.

>>127369
>>127547
>implying the remaining 47% doesn't pay state and local and other taxes.

>>128022
>ruling Iraq by proxy and having a military base in the region.
Isn't happening nor was ever discussed.
>Sure we set up a "free democratic" system with a looming military base and a couple thousand of American soldiers monitoring it? I can imagine if the Iraqi people start voting for a man that starts talking to Iran freely and reject American presence in his country how long will he be alive.
If it happens, do you think it would be stopped?
Also, nice how you can admit it is a free democratic system.
You are right about the needless deaths though. The casualties should never have been that high. But granted where you say America has bloodlust, might I remind you almost all of civilian and military deaths post "liberation" have come from militants and suicide bombers trained mostly in aforementioned Iran.

oh god you faggots
yes, you take basic mathematics and science courses to get a liberal arts degree.
no, that does not make a mathematics or science degree a liberal arts degree.
no, a liberal arts degree is not especially useful in the job market. there are 10,000 feel-good articles telling you "hey it's not so bad" i'm sure, but the truth is that having a liberal arts degree instead of something else puts you at a disadvantage, period.

>>127897
Thomas Jefferson studied French, Greek, and the Violin in college.
James Madison studied Latin, Greek, Geography, and Philosophy.

>>128064
then please define a liberal arts degree

>>128068
Yeah, because they had to evaluate their education for the 21st century job market dumbass.

>>128075
I think you missed the point.

>>128013
I wasn't passing judgement, the view from the left seems to be that anyone who hasn't gone through the higher education system is stupid.

>>128073
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bachelor_of_Liberal_Arts
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bachelor_of_General_Studies

>the coreporayshuns be holding be down
No they're not you fucking idiot, they're keeping your ass employed. The reason the system is fucked is because the money isn't worth anything.
If the money system worked, we'd be right back on track chugging away all the natural resources.

>>128094
ok i clicked on the first one and it took me back to the page on liberal arts which says
>The contemporary liberal arts comprise studying literature, languages, philosophy, history, mathematics, and science

>>128029
>you cultureless fuck.

No you deal with it you pseudo intellect.

>>127888

It's just a way for people who aren't in the 1% to justify acting against their own self-interests.

>>127636
>He thinks all debt is created so it can be paid back eventually

Ninjobs is a term we use to describe people who will never, ever, ever pay back a loan. I'm not even sure if it I spelled it properly.

lol OWS

>claim to represent the needs of the poor
>refuse the poor when they come with needs
http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/manhattan/zuccotti_hell_kitchen_i5biNyYYhpa8MSYIL9xSDL
http://news.bostonherald.com/news/columnists/view/2011_1021reality_check_a_real_bum-mer/

>join protest arguing the rich should pay more taxes
>complain when you are one of the rich in the protest and are taxed
http://hotair.com/archives/2011/10/21/crisis-strikes-ows-how-can-we-do-more-to-accommodate-the-drumm
ers/
http://nymag.com/daily/intel/2011/10/occupy_animal_farm_the_organiz.html

>claim to represent the 99%
>shit on their doorsteps and bang drums outside their windows all night
http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/manhattan/angry_manhattan_residents_lambast_RjpTU0jG2z9yrgf5o4bRc
O?CMP=OTC-rss&FEEDNAME=
http://www.voanews.com/english/news/usa/-Occupy-Wall-Street-Neighbors-Were-Under-Siege--131832153.ht
ml

ADHD faggots can't even remember what fucking group they're protesting. blocking traffic in rush hour, pounding drums, shitting on doorsteps, etc. is not in any way inconveniencing the rich. it's just pissing off the people already being pissed on. stop fucking the already-fucked.

>>128044

Yes because Iraq was a great friend in the region during Saddam rule after the Gulf War and we aren't occupying it currently and will still have troops in Iraq for a long time coming? If you want a country to be free, remove foreign troops and let them practice sovereignty.

>If it happens, do you think it would be stopped?
Yes, i think the person would be killed. We've assassinated leaders for less.

>Also, nice how you can admit it is a free democratic system.

Yes free and democratic...even though allegations were put by US soldiers that the PM of Iraq was continuing prison abuse and abuse of power but sure.

>But granted where you say America has bloodlust, might I remind you almost all of civilian and military deaths post "liberation" have come from militants and suicide bombers trained mostly in aforementioned Iran.

Totally not true for example; The wikileaks documents saying that the US killed over 700 people "too close to checkpoints" including the mentally ill and the pregnant.
Also the US classify civilians as enemy combatants in Iraq including Reuters reporters killed for a example. How about the Mahmudiyah killings, where american soldiers went and raped a 14 year old girl before killing her, they killed her mother and father and 6 year old sister?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mahmudiyah_killings

What about abu grahib?
Care to explain?

I want to fuck Monica hard.

>>128116

Yes, I'm a "pseudo-intellect" because I acknowledge the importance of vital and highly influential literary figures. 10 minutes ago you didn't even know who P.D. Ouspensky was.

Go away, you ANTI-intellect.

>wikileaks documents

whatever happened to wikileaks, anyway?

i remember assranger was threatening to reveal the dirty secrets of the banks, and then he got quiet real real quick

did the cartel pay his blackmail money, or did he just pussy out because they said point blank they were going to have him assassinated if he dared to make a move against the banks?

Rape, Kill, and Eat the Rich.

>>128155
Why are you on this board if you aren't even paying attention to the news?

Wikileaks is in the red and because Paypal, Visa, Mastercard, etc cut them off, they have trouble paying the bills.

>>128162
Use the poor as cheap fuel?

We need something to drive our private jets.

>>128103
again

a liberal arts degree includes SOME math, SOME science, SOME writing, etc. it has no specialization.

a mathematics degree is a specialized degree. a math degree holder is far more likely to get a mathematics oriented job than a liberal arts degree holder.

a math major will be much better at math than a liberal arts major. a biology major will be much better at biology than a liberal arts major. a chemistry major will be much better at chemistry than a liberal arts major. etc. etc. that's why liberal arts degrees are pretty shit: you'll be just ahead of high school diplomas on the hiring priority list.

>>128138
For one I don't think at this point we would assassinate anyone, I think you think the US can overstep their boundaries that far; they can't. There also would be a ton of people in line for assassination before that happened, and they are still alive.
I will address your last point, and yeah, the military has some bad soldiers in it. But that is no reason to vilify it as a whole. Just rest on the fact it is almost over.

>>128154
>hurr durr

>>128186
This, I don't understand how someone can discuss the importance of specialization with a career counselor, extract a loan or a grant, and still decide to roll the dice with a non-specialized degree.

>>128155
Assange did an interview with Amy Goodman and basically admitted that the banks are holding something over him, or have threatened him in some way. He's not a man to back down though; I'm sure he's trying to think of some way to release the documents.

>>128203
>He's not a man to back down though.
I think he only operates in the comfort of the public eye. If he wasn't known internationally and protected as such he wouldn't have gotten this far.

>>128135

See >>127995
>>127981

They also steal and bring weapons. Such a nice crowd eh?

Scum that should either shut the fuck up, or be locked up

>>128203
Bullshit. He's a coward. Exposing at threat to others is fun and easy, but as soon as it's his own ass on the line

>>128068
>>128068

A comparison of those men with today's youth is a comparison built on sand.

Thomas Jefferson and James Madison were both born into wealthy families and had financial security.

Education as we know it was also reformed during the Industrial Revolution from a system where one would learn letters and arts into a more technical system, where one would learn systems.

>>128203
Assange has that encrypted "doomsday" file that will be released publicly in the event that something happens to him.

Who knows what's inside it.

>>128155

Wikileaks has a financial blockade on it, cutting off nearly all of its funding, and is running dangerously close to having to shut down.

Meanwhile, Assange is detained in England where they track his movements and he has to check in at the police station daily. Not on charges about WikiLeaks, but they got women to cry rape. He hasn't been convicted, but it's nearing a year now that he's been detained.

I think they're kinda hoping the financial blockade can be lifted, which it wouldn't be if they fuck those people over by releasing those documents, so they're claiming they won't be releasing any more leaks for now. I expect that if they do have to shut down, they'll go in a blaze of glory, though. There'd be no reason not to.

>>128208

Julian Assange is essentially Tiananmen Square personified at the moment.

Back then, the Chinese couldn't crush the protests because the world was watching. Right now, the world is watching Assange.


Once the cameras went dark, the Chinese massacred hundreds of people and drove them from the square.

>>128227

>blaze of glory

i sure fucking hope so.

"In other news, every conspiracy ever, solved.
Mankind can fucking move on"

>>128229
>Right now, the world is watching Assange.
99% of people on this planet don't know his name. Of the last 1% about half thinks he's a douchbag and the rest a hero.

T-shirt of the week.

>>128189

>For one I don't think at this point we would assassinate anyone

We've done it countless of times, with our military intervention and our overthrowing of leaders and rebels that are against American interest no mater how brutal the dictator is. You remember the Shah and all that in operation Ajax as a big example but we've done much worst.

http://academic.evergreen.edu/g/grossmaz/interventions.html

>I will address your last point, and yeah, the military has some bad soldiers in it. But that is no reason to vilify it as a whole. Just rest on the fact it is almost over.

Almost over for America but Iraq will have to deal with this war mongering for a long long time. Especially with a US military base and American soldiers are still in Iraq.

>>128224

Probably the Bad Dragon order history of every major banker, CEO, politician, and so forth.

So, /pol/, want to hear a good joke related to this thread? Today a friend of mine in Finance was telling me that, despite the fact that he can't get a job, he opposes OWS because one day he hopes to be on the other side of that inequality. When I suggest a system which still allowed for a wealthy class, but wasn't so grossly unequal as to destroy the lower and middle classes he blatantly said that he wants to harvest that disappearing middle class' wealth.

>>128189
>I will address your last point, and yeah, the military has some bad soldiers in it. But that is no reason to vilify it as a whole. Just rest on the fact it is almost over.

Isn't that what the Occupy Vatican movement is entirely about? Vilifying the religion based entirely on some bad policies and negative choices on who to appoint as men of the cloth.

What is the Illuminati?

>>128236

I think he's notable enough and symbolic enough that an assassination would be risky, even if people don't know him now.

>>128258
>>128234
>>128224
honestly this almost makes me want to see him get killed, just to find out this piece of evidence. Also it does prove his cowardice, if the best and most important information is saved to cover his ass, then yeah, hes not in it for the public.

>>128258

That is usually how Finance/Business students think. Are you surprised? If you look at Canadian Politics, when HST was brought in to BC, immediate results were "go ask anyone in business or finance for advice" to which, said people involved in business or finance often supported it as it shifted a large chunk off their production/employment costs. Nevermind the fact that the system implemented was regressive in nature.

>>128269

I think there's a level that's more toward "Fuck you, bet you didn't want people to know this" than the public good kind of leak, and I like to imagine that's their doomsday file.

And to the extent that it is information we should know, there is a definite practical use to hold onto it. It keeps Assange alive, Wikileaks open, and a continued stream of leaks minus that one set.

MBAs create nothing but misery.

MBAs should all be ass raped and sold into slavery.

>>128258
Tell your friend that gives people like me a bad name.

I've received my small bits of wealth by underconsuming and investing. If you want to know where I hit big, look up the stock symbol "SVM" at around September, and take look it today. I sold that shit on Monday.

>>128258
Disappoint, but not surprised. Chomsky has long pointed out that the American business elites are most militantly class conscious group in America.

>>128186
so an english degree isn't a liberal arts degree?

>>128186
my science degree including literature, economics, psychology, and language courses

>>128334
No, they are not.

>>128336
I'm not an investment adviser and I barely know the Pharmaceutical industry, so...yeah, take this info with a grain of salt.

But I'm guessing that the stocks priced in with expectations (assuming you don't' have inside info) that it will pass through the patent.

But like I said, I barely know the industry. I only knew about SVM because they were accused of fraud and my signal to buy was the fact that they still kept buying backing shares at 2 dollars above the market price, something a company would NEVER do if it committing fraud.

There are other types of analysis to look at, like their balance sheets. Fundamental and (although not fully trust it) Technical analysis are key to finding a good stock. If you have enough cash, a GOOD investment adviser might even have someone who deals with Qualitative analysis on his team. If you don't know what that is, it's basically a computer analysis on a stock, removing the human bias out the equation.

>>128346

yes, an English degree is a liberal arts degree.

can't tell if fucking moron, or trolling.

>See first post, Occupy Wall Street discussion.
>After the break, "Liberal arts degrees are bullshit!" "No, science degrees are bullshit!" "My degree is better than your degree!"
facepalm.jpg.

Seriously, kids? You haven't figured this out yet, but you will: no matter what that degree is, English, history, engineering, sciences, psychology... it means approximately dick.

Hey, guess what? I've got an English degree, and I'm the managing editor of a publishing firm (bonus: we publish scientific non fiction). My best friend from high school got a double major in computer engineering and computer science and you know what he does?

Tends bar. Your degree is not a predictor of success in this country. It's all you, success or failure. It's you.

>Come from poor family. (Mom makes 30k a year)
>Get married, join the military, get injured, get sent home.
>Can't find any work, decide to look into moving after 1 year unemployment.
>Move in with family in Louisiana.
>HOLY FUCK! Job at McDonalds within two weeks, quit after 6 months for an apprentice job.
>Realize the employment rate here is incredibly better than a lot of the country.
>Am currently living off 30k a year and have no kids, working up the ladder with no college education in my apprenticeship.
>mfw the most I'll ever need is certs to make money.
Wife and I both work trades, we've been doing fine with finding work. My point has always been that you can always look harder and outside your state for work, and settle for whatever you can find. I hate my current job, but it pays the bills. I hate OWS, and all that it stands for. Learn to live below your means, and quit pretending that states don't have individual minimum wage, damn statistics abuse is all they're doing.

>>128416
>Can't tell if stupid or just trolling

>>128417
The sad thing? OWS is protesting for you. You've been led to believe that it's ok, no, noble, to struggle like you do.

It's not.

>>128363
>>128363
>can't tell if fucking moron, or trolling.

The two aren't mutually exclusive, especially around here.

>>128428
Wow you're pathetic.

>>128436
Sure buddy, if that helps you sleep at night.

>>128425
You'll have to clarify that.

>>128428
yes! people should get everything for free without work!
except for farmers. those faggots are our slaves now.

Google Transparency.
>We received a request from a local law enforcement agency to remove YouTube videos of police brutality, which we did not remove. Separately, we received requests from a different local law enforcement agency for removal of videos allegedly defaming law enforcement officials. We did not comply with those requests, which we have categorized in this Report as defamation requests.
Good job Google

>>128417
>Mom makes 30k a year
>join the military
>Wife and I both work trades
>Am currently living off 30k a year

That's some damn fine social mobility. God bless, America!

>>128428
>implying a bunch of dumb atheists and socialists are protesting for me

>>128462
>still believing in his Marxist conspiracy theories in 2011

>>128428
>>128417 me again
I honestly wonder if they understand what hard work is. Jobs aren't simply handed to you these days. We're in a recession or depression or whatever the fuck you want to call it. And why? Capitalism? NO. People's abuse and misunderstanding of money, and poor financial education. Nobody understands how to save, or how taxes really work, or anything about the world outside their doorstep. OWS is a depressing display of ignorance. Corporations are soul-less machines that care only about the bottom line, for the most part. But that benefits us, and gives us cheaper and cheaper products. The banking industry is one of the most money-grubbing industries out there, but it's BANKING. These people like money, and they know how to make it. There's plenty of taxes in place already, and they shouldn't be spent feeding and housing and employing everyone. I fucking hate hand-outs, and anyone who expects them should be ashamed.

>>128467
>every poor person should have rich children!

>>128428

See:

>>127995
>>127981

Maybe the man would be more inclined if the people involved with the movement weren't fucking retarded. I use the above posts because it outlines how many people, including the ones who the OWS aim to help view them based upon their actions.

>>128363
>liberal
>education
>implying those aren't mutually exclusive

>>128476

You know looking at how the one percent make "money" shows numbers of ways one can do it them self in order to lower income tax percentage/get tax breaks. Maybe people should learn from the rich?

>>128467
You do realize I'm comfortable here, right? In a couple years, I could be making way more, and I'm fine with waiting. I used to like fine off 10k a year. Money isn't everything, some people seem to miss that point.

>>128477
>man "serves his country"
>him and wife work hard
>moves down economically from what sounds like a single mom situation

But, no, you're right, "fuck the poor."

>>128462
Cops beat the crap out of people and demand the evidence is taken off youtube.
Enjoy your Police State America.

>>128512
>unbacked conspiracy bullshit
>expects anybody to believe him

>>128506
He just said he was happy dipshit. Stop "fighting" for people who don't want your help.

>>128520

>>128518
http://www.google.com/transparencyreport/governmentrequests/US/?p=2011-06&t=CONTENT_REMOVAL_REQU
EST

>>128500
>>128503 here
Once I pay off my small pile of debt, I plan on investing a few thousand. My wife loves to research shit like the stock market, and she'd probably day-trade if given the proper funding. I'd like to get into money markets myself, but I need to work on a few things first. You need money to make money, sometimes.

>>128532
Point irrefutably defamed in a single picture. That's gotta be a record on 4chan in general.

dog eat dog world

those guys lost, now they are trying to create a small ruckus. they should just accept their fate. a real winner wouldve made it to high middle class at least, no matter what the situation he started in.

>>128462
Ha, I've seen the videos. Most of them are cut so you never understand why police are taking action. Here is one of police being hit by paintball,s, but I could only find one example. DO you really think the OWS protesters would put up videos incriminating themselves in criminal activities? Hell no, but it still is happening.

>>128518
Fucking moron, check the Google Transparency Report for yourself, they actually did, but Google refused.
It was one of the local police departments that sent the request however, their action was probably not accepted from the higher authority. If there is a higher authority, or if that authority is the laws.

>>128506
>moves down economically from what sounds like a single mom situation

"Single Moms" can abuse the shit out of the child support/alimony system. In some cases, they can come out better off then a working man simply because of the amount they can abuse the system. Do I even need to explain?

1. Domestic Violence.
>Call it, even if fraud. Husband is removed from primary residence, woman gets it in the split.
2. Child Custody
>goes to the lowest earner usually/but otherwise tends to favor the woman.
3. Child Support
>states will enforce this
4. National Organization for Women argues against Shared Parenting bills
>this keeps the money with the woman
5. No-Fault alimony
>fault is not a factor in awarding alimony (so if wife cheats you can still end up paying after divorce)
6. Alimony has been changed a lot in the cases of how long it lasts and how much
>some cases end up paying lifelong alimony for an 8 year marriage
7. If you ever remarry the same person, and they leave again, Alimony can be essentially redone
>meaning if it was waived the first time, it can start the second.
8. You have to catch your kid as yours asap (referring to paternity).
>if you don't catch it in that small window of time, you legally become the father and can end up paying child support for 18 or so years for a child thats not yours

Hell, child support doesn't really have any laws regulating what it is spent on. Its based on a system of faith that the mother will use it appropriately.

So yeah, Single Moms > Single Working Men almost every time.

I am poor, I make 17 k a year and have no savings and I still want nothing to do with socialism. I think they are having a hard time accepting how life is, I know that I will be happy if I can just pull down $500 a week someday, these hippy libs should realize life is cruel and harsh

>>128561
Shit like that pisses me off. And makes me embarrassed to support the group. I would break whatever shit people were harassing law enforcement with.

It's shitty that an insular bubble of assholes can make a group look bad.

>After 10 days out of town, I finally made it to Occupy Wall Street on Tuesday and had a chance to see for myself what's going on. My conclusion: almost everything the media told me about the protest is wrong.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/keith-boykin/occupy-wall-street-media_b_1019707.html

>>128022
>Iraq
>I never thought it was about oil

We declared war on them like a month after they declared they were going to stop trading in US dollars and start trading in the Euro, which would have been devastating for the US dollar (just like how Libya announced it was going to trade in Gold Dinar instead of either US dollar or Euro a few weeks before the "uprising").

It had everything to do with oil (and yes a military base)

INB4: US GETS ITS OIL FROM CANADA DUUUR

It's about securing resources for the future retards, many of the sources we get oil from now are over peak production, in 20 years nearly all oil we get will be from the Middle East.

>>127427
>Why the Real Estate Boom Will Not Bust
God, shit like this was everywhere in the 80s.

Had to step away for some breakfast, so give me a moment to catch up.

>>128452
False dichotomy. Listen, if you're not going to even try, don't bother posting.

>>128503
Sure, you're comfortable now, while you're young and childless. You're forgetting about retirement savings, college savings, vacations, illnesses, accidents, etc. Bully to you for not purchasing luxuries ever because you don't make enough to afford them and convincing yourself you're happier without them, but some shit's inevitable, my friend.

Got health insurance? Got health insurance that actually covers shit?

Also, and this is key, so pay attention: you're not everyone. Not everyone is happy being poor, nor should they be. You saying, "Hey, I'm happy in my poverty, you be too," is about as retarded as you can get.

>>128478
My favorite injunction against the movement. Hey, mongo, you think there's a single political movement on the face of the planet or in the history of the world that wasn't chockablock with highly motivated and passionate idiots? They're called "the masses" for a reason. We don't need them to be smart. We don't need them to be erudite. We just need them to be thousands upon thousands of warm bodies milling in the backgrounds of camera shots interviewing the members that are intelligent and erudite.

>ib4 there are no intelligent members.
Oh you, look at that ad hominem on you.

>>127522
>Why do they say that capitalism promotes profit only when the main point of capitalism what it wants to reach is price = marginal costs.
Because, as with Marxism, how Capitalism is supposed to function and how it actually functions are two different things.

>>128575

Spoken like a REAL MAN.

See....this guy...he's already figured it out.

This is the whole problem with these douchebags and their BS "protest".

The majority of them are either trust-fund yuppie assholes who's had pretty much everything handed to them growing up...then after they went to a 4 year party paid for by mom and dad...Ooops...I mean college...and got that worthless liberal-arts degree.

They got all butt-hurt, jaded, and bitter because they found out the hard way that the liberal arts degree they or their parents are in debt for will get you little more than a job being a manager at McDonald's.

The rest of them either made bad decisions or are just n1ggers looking for another entitlement handout.

I'd say that maybe 1% out of those assholes even remotely has a legimate gripe about their current situation and how they ended up there or who's to blame.

I'm all for the corp's not being a bunch of greedy dicks....but if you want them to change...you "vote" with your wallet....not your whining.

>>128598
>msnbc commentator and former white house aide
oh boy here we go...
>decide to check his credentials
>BET television show host of My Two Cents
>special assistant to Bill Clinton
>Second Article on websites list he wrote- Thank You, Don Lemon
>paragraph summarizing it
>"Two unexpected and almost simultaneous breakthroughs took place Sunday night that could open a long-overdue dialogue to shake up homophobia in the black community."
please consider your sources first.

>>128598
The media, trying to typecast hundreds of thousands of people and only focusing on the absolute worst while totally ignoring everything else so they can try sell this as entertainment?

I don't believe it, the media is always about telling the truth! you lie good sir.

>>128584
Agreed.
I recall the video of the guy being arrested for jumping over a barricade and trying to incite other protesters to do the same. Turned out the dude was a right wing media plant!
The pigs have hours of footage from security cameras and they are not pushing it out there to back up claims of protesters attacking them.

OWS people are idiots. they shouldve planned ahead. yeap they are all SORE LOSERS. they keep on whining. they lost the game.

while they are complaining, out there are some people doing well because they planned out their decisions and it payed off.

here's a simple life plan:

COLLEGE:
1. If you are going to go through with college, take a useful college course AT LEAST. Engineering, Computer Science and Medicine are good choices. Do not take liberal arts.

2. If you have to take a loan, research first if you will be able to pay that loan with the average starting salary of your course once you get out.

3. If it still is too expensive for you, look for a college abroad. Certain countries have college on the cheap and will entertain scholarships.

AFTER COLLEGE:
1. Now if you can get a career in your industry, then good, work from there.

2. If not, work a minimum salary job. Yeap it is better to work a shitty job than none at all and expecting a handout. lower your standards, there are so many jobs available.

FUTURE:
1. Save up. This is essential. No ipads and gadget bullcrap.

2. Invest in a small buisness with your saved money or look for opportunities to do so with stocks.

3. If you still haven't made it good to keep you up for the rest of your life, grab your savings and move to another country will lower living costs.

>>128633
Blah blah blah

Yeah, it sucks no can be as much a man as you two fellows, but we live in a broken system, regardless of what these people do or say.

So sit on the internet and flex your blame muscles till your soar.

I'll be watching the world burn.

kthx.

hey folks that are saying that ows protesters dont know that one has to do the right choices in order to ascend socially, and that they are jobless communist hippies who dont have a clue about reality, i have written a book a lot lulzy that kinda explains your mentality, you know. its not as good as pat buchanan's videos, but still.

>>128617
I am 29, I have made bad choices andnow I am paying for them. I may have no savings, health insurance or career but if I work hard I can be midle class someday. The key is never having children or getting married. The OWS crowd needs to realize life is brutish,cruel and short and some people have to lose, myself foremost.

>>128598
Christ I read some of his blogs, hes a massive progressive liberal
Here is a quote
>"She won't say it, but Judge Sonia Sotomayor was right when she spoke about a wise Latina judge often reaching a better decision than a wise white man. Many white men still can't judge these situations fairly because they don't understand what it means to be black in America. "
Yeah, keep voting Democrat America

>>128633
>The majority of them are either trust-fund yuppie assholes who's had pretty much everything handed to them growing up...then after they went to a 4 year party paid for by mom and dad...Ooops...I mean college...and got that worthless liberal-arts degree.

Nope, media is only focusing on that to illegitimate the protests

see
>>128598
>http://www.huffingtonpost.com/keith-boykin/occupy-wall-street-media_b_1019707.html

>Myth #2. It's Just A Bunch Of Pampered Kids.

>Although I supported the concept of the Occupy Wall Street movement when I first heard of it, I admit I didn't think the group had much to offer me. From what I could see in the media, they were well-educated, well-intentioned young white people, but they didn't really represent me.

>I was wrong.

>What I found was a wide-ranging group of people from various backgrounds, young and old, male and female, black, white, Latin, Asian and mixed. It was the essence of New York, the reason why I moved to this city 10 years ago.

There probably are a number of people participating in OWS who have been legitimately fucked over by the system.

The internet / media in general tend to focus on the fucktards because it's fun to watch.

>>128661
>implying those protesters aren't communist hippies who want to smoke weed all day long and use other people's money to buy it

Where did this whole "DUUR LIBERAL ARTS DEGREES" bullshit come from

I know 6 people with degrees in engineering and advanced math and all 6 of them are working in retail at the moment.

>>128672
>cites Huffington Post
>excepts anybody to believe his stupid weed-smoking teenager hippie bullshit

>>128672
I just read Keith Boykins various other blogs, and I must say that quoting him is more detrimental to your points than helping. The man is a classic example of reverse racism.
See
>>128666

>>128638

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JMR43zGiy5o

WATCH THIS VIDEO RETARDS, EVERYTHING THE MEDIA IS SAYING ABOUT THE PROTESTS IS WRONG, THIS VIDEO EXPLAINS WHY THEY JUST FOCUS ON THE FUCKTARDS.

>>128638
What is it you find objectionable exactly?

>>128673
>There probably are a number of people participating in OWS who have been legitimately fucked over by the system.

>implying they're not lazy cunts who just don't want to search for a job but rather play video games and smoke weed all day long

>>127701
I see them as retarded idealists who are jealous of people with more money than them. It's no surprise most of them are either in their 20s are an old hippy. The children have yet to experience the old world and the hippies are just as retarded as they were in the 60s and 70s

>>128686
From his "Guess Who's Coming to Dinner" post

>"Although the civil rights generation produced Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson, it also produced Colin Powell and Oprah Winfrey. There have always been black public figures who defied the conventional wisdom, and the black community has never been monolithic. But the community's aspirations grow higher and more attainable with each generation. "

The guy is so sanctimonious he shits on Oprah and Colin Powell

>>128682
>Liberty reacting with cynicism.
Quelle surprise.

I really have not been paying attention to all this Occupy stuff.

Can someone explain to me what is going on? I really have no clue.

>>128707
cynism=/=realism

>>128691
>>128691
>>128691
>>128691
>>128691
>>128691
>>128691
>>128691


>Posting something not spoon-fed to /pol/pots by media and/or ron/pol/
>expecting people to pay any attention

Everyone should watch this.

>>128654

> but we live in a broken system, regardless of what these people do or say.

Hey....you hear that....that's the world's smallest violin playing "my heart pumps purple piss for you."

Why don't you send me your paypal so I can send you some money so you can go buy some douche to get that sand out of your vagina.

"Oh boo hoo...the world's a mean place and I didn't get the job or house I wanted"

"oh wooh is me....I got a useless degree and It's someone owe's me a job making lots of money doing what I went to school for....even though it doesn't apply to anything in the REAL world".

Fucking bitch-ass whiners.

Get off your ass and go get fucking shower and a job...you're stinking the place up and pissing off those of us that actually work for a living.

>>128707
Quelle suprise= which suprise, not what suprise and you completely missed your indefinite article

>>128701
>implying that the current government-fueled system is a good thing.

Yeah it makes perfect sense for the government to bail out failing corporations using taxpayer money AND allow the banks to create predatory loaning practices because of government guaranteeing the loans.

>>128716
Greed has poisoned men’s souls – has barricaded the world with hate; has goose-stepped us into misery and bloodshed.

We have developed speed but we have shut ourselves in: machinery that gives abundance has left us in want. Our knowledge has made us cynical, our cleverness hard and unkind. We think too much and feel too little: More than machinery we need humanity; More than cleverness we need kindness and gentleness. Without these qualities, life will be violent and all will be lost.

The aeroplane and the radio have brought us closer together. The very nature of these inventions cries out for the goodness in men, cries out for universal brotherhood for the unity of us all. Even now my voice is reaching millions throughout the world, millions of despairing men, women and little children, victims of a system that makes men torture and imprison innocent people. To those who can hear me I say “Do not despair”.

The misery that is now upon us is but the passing of greed, the bitterness of men who fear the way of human progress: the hate of men will pass and dictators die and the power they took from the people, will return to the people and so long as men die [now] liberty will never perish…

Soldiers – don’t give yourselves to brutes, men who despise you and enslave you – who regiment your lives, tell you what to do, what to think and what to feel, who drill you, diet you, treat you as cattle, as cannon fodder.

Don’t give yourselves to these unnatural men, machine men, with machine minds and machine hearts. You are not machines. You are not cattle. You are men. You have the love of humanity in your hearts. You don’t hate – only the unloved hate. Only the unloved and the unnatural. Soldiers – don’t fight for slavery, fight for liberty.

>>128725

In the seventeenth chapter of Saint Luke it is written ” the kingdom of God is within man ” – not one man, nor a group of men – but in all men – in you, the people.

You the people have the power, the power to create machines, the power to create happiness. You the people have the power to make life free and beautiful, to make this life a wonderful adventure. Then in the name of democracy let’s use that power – let us all unite. Let us fight for a new world, a decent world that will give men a chance to work, that will give you the future and old age and security. By the promise of these things, brutes have risen to power, but they lie. They do not fulfil their promise, they never will. Dictators free themselves but they enslave the people. Now let us fight to fulfil that promise. Let us fight to free the world, to do away with national barriers, do away with greed, with hate and intolerance. Let us fight for a world of reason, a world where science and progress will lead to all men’s happiness.

Soldiers – in the name of democracy, let us all unite!”

>>128647
99% of posters in this topic subscribe to the "Everybody knows that the Occupy movements are bad because my friends and the news say so" mindset, so clearly the point hasn't been made strongly enough.

>>128676
>>128676

>implying all of them are, even the majority

>>128617
>>128503 here
Way to mis-read things. I'm comfortable like this, because I planned this out and am slowly moving up the ladder. I have health insurance for the first time in a while, and it covers things. When I start making more than this, I well add things like children and retirement plans to my budget. It's called living at or below your means. In our current economy, living below your means and saving every cent you can is a good thing to do. Learn to be happy where you are in life, and always try to improve it anyways,

>>128714
quit spamming your terrible video.
OWS protest, unlike the G20 ones are happening all day and night in multiple cities, and cannot be watched and followed like your awful comparison.
Dammit you OWS people are idiots.

>>128663
Nope. It's neither noble or good to suffer in this country. I made bad choices, too. Took me almost 8 years to get that bachelor's degree in English, too busy getting high and fucking around.

I turned it around, got that managing editor's position, making good money, saving for retirement. But, see, I'm actually intelligent and aware. I know what sodomy feels like, and I'm getting fucked by a system that invariably corrupts. So, yes, I support OWS, because they are fighting the good fight.

>>128726

Sure is chaplin in here.

Truer words were never spoken.

>>128725
greed is good. if you are part of those that have. if not, fuck off. sorry, you're fucked, by your own hand or someone else's is irrelevant. don't expect the world to change to save people like you.

>>128666
>hes a massive progressive liberal
Oh no!

I'd say a vast majority of them are spoiled leeches who would be in the exact same socio-economic position if the USA became a social democracy the very next day.

>>128725
>>128726
There was one minute between the post you referred to and yours. Are you going to tell me this isn't a terrible samefag copypasta attempt, or that you are a literary genius that can pull this out of his ass in less than a minute?

>>128732
>OWS protest, unlike the G20 ones are happening all day and night in multiple cities, and cannot be watched and followed like your awful comparison.

>implying you aren't a stupid deluded socialist moron cunt

>>128730
>learn to be happy with what you have.

Who's the communist here? No. I refuse to be happy overpaying for health insurance because I have no other choice, refuse to be happy endorsing a financial industry that is completely in bed with politics. Refuse to stand by quietly while the men who bankrupted my country walk away at Christmastime with 6 million dollar bonuses, while I've got to be choosy so my kid can have a decent Christmas.

But, moreover, I refuse to let lazy shitbags like you choose for me. "Oh, I'm happy, you be happy too." Fuck you. I will not satisfice. This is my goddamned life.

>>128732
I'm not the same person, hence the impingnewhere.jpg

>>128711
You're right, it doesn't. So stop being a cynic.

im working more hours than i ever did
i never been as hungry as today

>>128748
Liberty I was referring to
>he posts a video about how easy it is for the media to manipulate and follow protests in order to find violence
>but how his video of the G20 protests are not related to the structure of the OWS protests.

>>128742
>implying he isn't a massive progressive socialist weed-smoking liberal

>>128733
Good for you. You worked, I work very hard as well. These lazy people just want a hand out and a free ride. I had to accept a job that makes about 11 an hour, these privileged children should do the same. McDonalds is hiring, they are just too good to take the opportunity.
I used to be like them thank god the military and old age have shown me how wrong I was

>>128739
>greed is good.
Wow. Some people really did miss the whole point of Gordon Gecko.

>>128742
NO, it merely shows his bias to certain subjects that would undermine his journalistic integrity. In other words, he would post only the good he sees, and none of the bad.
Also he talked as if Sharpton was good for the civil rights movement while in the same sentence insulted Colin Powell.

>>128763
>Implying Obama is a progressive or a liberal

>>128752
So instead of making your OWN life better, lets force OTHERS to confer to YOUR desires and make them pay for it. I don't like the sound of what you're offering

>>128752
I'm not choosing for you, I'm making a suggestion. Have you ever voted? Because, last I checked, politicians choose for you. You can whine all you like, but I'd rather adapt and move on. All I'm saying is that you don't need a triple-digit yearly income to be happy or live well.

>>128725

Ok....and your point is?

The world is the way it is....and it's not going to change anytime soon.

"Put hope in one hand and shit in the other....and tell me which one fills up faster."

The world is a fucked up, cruel, HEARTLESS place.

We are NOT all equal.

Most people as a general rule are fucked in the head and have some really strange ideas about how the world is supposed to work.

You can be bitter and pissed off because the world isn't the place that mommy, daddy, and the liberal douchebag teachers told you it was.

OR

You can pull yourself up by the bootstraps, work hard, and make the fucking best of it.

Nobody is saying they don't want change for the better...but their are much better ways of making that happen.

It just takes patience and hard work.......neither of which these assholes want any part of.

>>128771
>implying greed doesn't make everybody better off
>implying you aren't a stupid leftist cunt

>99% of this thread, people that actively miss serfdom.

Don't worry guys, when the Republicans get in and the minimum wage is abolished (you see the super high costs of workers wages are the reason the economy is in shit), we will be living the dream again.
Working dem cotton fields and coal mines. We might be able to beat China in the manufacturing department again!

>>128771
don't misuse someones fallicies to cover your own. Greed is not good, but these people demanding money from others, is that not the essence of greed?

>>128771
But greed is good. It gets things done.Without greed I would have no desire to buy things or accumulate goods. Greed drives the species, it has since we lived in caves. The caveman who hoarded the most lived; there's an adject lesson in that

ITT: Tools that know nothing of the rampant banker fraud taking place all over the world.

"HARD WORK"

>>128777
>NO, it merely shows his bias to certain subjects that would undermine his journalistic integrity.
Let's not forget that it is that it also gives Right-wing readers the opportunity to dismiss his points out of hand irrespective of whether they're valid.

>>128792
>implying minimum wage doesn't cause unemployment and fucks up the labor market supply and demand
>implying you aren't a dumb leftist cunt who doesn't know anything about economics

>>128792
>Republicans eliminating the minimum wage
nice putting words into peoples mouths. Other people don't exist to be your scapegoat...oh I forgot, your OWS.

>>128784
>whine
Confirmed for intellectually lazy idiot. But it's cool, buddy. You keep thinking it's ok to work way, way too hard for the little bit you do get. Enjoy that crippling depression later in life.

>>128788
>The world is the way it is....and it's not going to change anytime soon.
Different guy, but it kinda goes without saying that if 10,000 people agree that they're impotent to change anything, then those same 10,000 people won't change anything.

>>128792
>he thinks every available job on the planet is going to produce the labor equal a state-sponsored minimum wage.

Come to Alberta faggot and you will see how inflation can fuck over an area.

>>128804
It doesn't. But then, I'm sure you know all there is to know about economics, huh, Sparky?

>>128780
>implying he isn't

>>128796
>Without greed I would have no desire to buy things or accumulate goods.
So you buy primarily out of greed rathen than necessity?

>>128800
He may have seen some good people, but that does not allow him to speak for the other weeks of protesters or hundreds (now thousands in other cities) he never has or will ever meet.
And he is a fucking talking head, why did you go to his blog in the first place? Google? Or do you actually follow him on twitter?

>>128816
It does retard. Minimum wage fucks up the market forces and the labor supply and demand which causes unemployment:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minimum_wage#Simple_supply_and_demand

>>128804
Which is why countries that have high minimum wage and high unionization like Australia have the shittiest economies in the world amirite... oh wait.

Also without the EU, several EU countries would be so fucking strong at the moment they literally wouldn't be able to export shit (germany for example) again, high wages and high unionization compared to the US.

>Implying blaming wages isn't just a bullshit tactic by corporations who have again on average posted record profits and given themselves bonuses 100% higher than last year

But whatever dude, have fun working for 50c a day and 15 hour days non-stop so you can stay competitive with that chink in Taiwan.

>>128820
You don't need your computer, now do ya champ?

>>128826
>Which is why countries that have high minimum wage and high unionization like Australia have the shittiest economies in the world

They would be far better off without the minimum wage
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minimum_wage#Simple_supply_and_demand

l2economics kid

>>128826
>causation=/=correlation
>implying unions didn't latch onto industrial progress like a leech and siphon off capitol and money

>>128782
Strawman. Didn't say that. Don't put words in my mouth. OWS is, at its core, protesting the corruption between politics and the business sector. I fail to see how that makes me, or any of the people participating in the protests, lazy or asking for hand outs.

> Working to get liberal arts degree
> Have guaranteed job teaching in South Korea when I graduate
> Will work 3 years without having to pay taxes
> Guaranteed job after 3 years teaching film in college

All other lib arts majors jelly

>>128826
>so you can stay competitive with that chink in Taiwan.
Dude, terrible example, Taiwan is doing well economically and pays well.
>implying all the money going to these nations isn't increasing the wages there.
Fastest growing middle class in the world is in China and India.

>>128822
Sure, in simple supply and demand, that would happen. But, unfortunately, we haven't had an economic system that actually bows to pure supply and demand in... a century?

ITT Hipster libs show they are too good for "common" people job, they do the brain work and therefore deserve extra rations.

>>128821
>He may have seen some good people, but that does not allow him to speak for the other weeks of protesters or hundreds (now thousands in other cities) he never has or will ever meet.
Well and good. Now if only the Right would apply what you just said to those "impartial" reporters who only cover the negative aspects of the movement. Ah, but wait... Those other reporters confirm what the Right-wing believed about the Occupy movement before even one interview was made, so it wouldn't matter anyway.

>increasing minimum wage in India

isn't that the country that still has a fucking caste system in place?

it's little wonder the neo-aristocratic corporate overlords love a place that still has a feudalistic aristocrat society where one corrupt rich asshole of the king caste has all the money and everyone else can live in shit huts dotting each other's foreheads

>>128831
>You don't need your computer, now do ya champ?
I need it for work, yes.

>>128858
>Now if only the Right would apply what you just said to those "impartial" reporters
>the Right
>any media outside of Fox News that isn't left to some degree
keep at it champ.

To all the people saying greed is good, you're being asinine. Greed WAS good. Keyword there being was. But we've reached a point, very quickly, where we can move beyond greed, and tap into passion which does not trample on others (a la greed) and still develop and grow as a society. All of you are implying the only way to grow is to pander to people's avarice, which not only doesn't work anymore, it never really worked in the first place.

Sure we got cars, and planes. Sure we got buses, and roads, and computers, and televisions, and all that good stuff we enjoy today. But we also got mismanagement, corner cutting, dehumanization, and we're slowing down. All those things built up like barnacles along the edges of American society until it clogged the tubes. The tubes, I tell you. Now we no longer innovate, we don't grow. Why? Because we can cut corners for something that's a little different and greed says "sell sell sell." Why innovate, grow, and change, when you can stay the same and feed your greed?

And now we're finding our way to passion again. Good greed, I call it. We're wading our feet in the water, and we're finding we like it. You can't get that then stay home for this revolution.

I’m rather afraid that the whole point of the movement will be lost once it is hijacked by the Democrats as well as the increasingly prominent anti-establishment elements that are slowly growing within the more seedier parts of it. While I certainly don’t agree with many of the demands that individual Occupy activists have made, I think the underlying message, the call to investigate our economic policies and to see if there isn’t a way to make it more beneficial to the American nation rather than to the multinational megacorporations that reward our leniency with rampant outsourcing is outlining a very important issue that needs to be resolved in a rational, thought-out fashion rather than by the reactionary voter-catching partisan politics both parties are so guilty of.

>>128864
India did away with the Caste system decades ago, stop being a racist you hysterical leftists

What exactly are they protesting about?

>>128867
>I need it for work
>But I use it for 4chan
yeah, so next you're going to tell me you need your TV, Blu-ray player, Cable, etc. is work related as well.

>>128878
>Implying the U.S. has a Left.
You have a Right and something that approximates to a Centre if you squint at it and that's all.

>>128798

Again...nobody's saying their isn't a problem.

But sitting on your ass and whining like a bunch of spoiled kids with no clear point of what they're goal is will accomplish nothing.....outside of piss off the people who do know what "hard work" is and have the lifestyle and material possesions to show for it.

Like me.

I'm a firm believer in "work smart"...not "work hard"....but that doens't mean that I didn't bust my ass to do well in school, let alone to do all the research into my career of choice BEFORE I went to college to insure I wasn't setting myself up for failure.

And it's all paid off.

I came from being poor, barely a pot to piss in to having a college education that I PAID FOR MYSELF, a great job that pays extremely well, and my family is taken care of.

All because I "worked hard" and made the right decisions.

I'll be damn if I'll be made to feel bad because I did and they didn't.

Fuck them.

>>128899
Please, Mr. Keith Boykin and his aforementioned blogs speak otherwise.

Here, have fun 4chan!

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/keith-boykin

>>128896
I'm an academic and do a lot of my work at home. Shocking, I know, but we don't use quills anymore.

>>128909
A few op-eds don't amount to a movement.

>>128910
You're an egoist who was argued into a corner and now is forced to use sarcasm without actually refuting anything.
See
>>128896
>I work a job so I can only supply the necessities, greed is bad, blah blah blah.
You're a yuppie who fancies himself a progressive.

>>128902
Good for you. I am poor and deserve none of your money. I will always be poor, mainly because I don't care about being rich and I am happy but you deserve your success.
Best of luck

>>128902
>I came from being poor
Every "self-made man" says this and it always, always turn out to be horseshit.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/religion/8846867/Protester-at-heart-of-St-Pauls-occupation-is-son-of
-property-developer.html

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2053126/St-Pauls-protests-Jack-Hartcup-son-property-tycoon-c
entre-Occupy-London.html

>>128926
Um, I do my work on the computer. I'm required by my job to do my work on the computer. The money from my work then goes toward home necessities. How exactly have I been forced into a corner?

>a yuppie
I ain't even middle-class.

>>128933
Different Anon but it sickens me that you are hating this guy. Are you mad he accomplished something? Maybe if you had been more like him you would be better off instead of wanting to use legislation to steal.

>>128936
And Friedrich Engels' father was the joint owner of the Victoria Mill in Manchester, meaning he came from a family of Capitalists. What's your point again?

>>128902
Whoops. Google demographics + occupy wall street. Trust fund indeed.

>>128927

WAIIIITTT A MINUTE HERE.........I never said ANYTHING about wanting to be rich.

I don't give a rat's ass about being rich either.

What I DO care about is not having to worry about if I can pay rent this month or eat because I had an emergency car repair that HAD to be taken care of.....else I lose my job and jeopardize the roof over my family's head.

I just want to live comfortably.....more money equals more problems....and I have plenty of crap to deal with in my life as it is.

I learned A LONG TIME AGO.....that money is by-far NOT everything......but it sure fucking helps.

I'm not trying to be rich.....I just don't want to have to fucking live paycheck to paycheck like my mom did when I was growing up.

She had no education outside of HS....and she paid dearly for it.

Thus....the other motivation I had to get ahead.

So my kids don't have to have it as hard as I did.

>>128969
Engels was a little different than that child sitting in London with his millions.

>>128969
You're all winging about nothing and any points you have are usually the result of your own leftist retoric (example climate change policies driving up bills all over the place).
You want to see poverty? Go and take a trip to south america, india or rural china.

>implying
>picture of obama smilling

im so cool with my skepticism and all. i know lots of economics of real life, communism is fairy tale because von mises said so in 1920.

>>128948
>Are you mad he accomplished something?
I ain't even mad. I've just yet to encounter one of these assholes who claims they started out poor who didn't start out upper-working class or lower-middle class with plenty of opportunities to hand. More often than not they're wasters who spent their youth dicking around before wising up to the fact that there are plenty of ways for them to make good out of their life. They then assume that everyone who can't get their work must have spent their youth dicking around, and the reason those people can't find work is because they just haven't wised up and decided to exploit their opportunities. The fact that those opportunities aren't there for everyone never crosses their minds.

>Maybe if you had been more like him you would be better off
I'm actually doing pretty well for myself, all things considered.

>instead of wanting to use legislation to steal.
Welfare for the people = theft, but welfare for corporations is A-okay. Gotcha.

>>128983
So he shouldn't participate because his father is rich?

>>128993
Just because China can't afford to feed it's own people doesn't mean we should accept a lesser form of poverty here. Nice try, boyo.

Also, "whinging?" Take that limey shit out of here.

>>128969
>>128969

this is that dumb argument we always hear. kid, marx, engels came from a bourgeois family, kropotkin was a member of the royal family, bakunin was in a kinda of noble family, proudhon was a member of the french parliament. what you have to understand is:
a) class is not attached to people like dna;
b) even if it was, its not hypocrite to be rich and advocate for the poor. the same way its not hypocrite to read marx in your ipad. the same way its not hypocrite to call the cops to resolve a serious issue been an anarchist. we live in a social form in which private property exists and we have to deal with it, even though we fight a struggle to suppress private property. and in some cases, its even a matter of using the capitalist mechanisms against capitalism itself.

get a proper argument.

>>128933

LOL.....

Try growing up in a single parent home who's only income is being a bank teller for little more than minumum wage.

Trust me....you have no idea what it is to "have it hard" until you've watched your mom cry because the only money she had after paying the rent and the electric bill was just enough to feed us both ONE "open faced tomato sandwiche" for dinner.

When I say sandwiche....I mean a slice of tomato, a slice of processed cheese, and a slice of bread.

THAT'S IT.....besides a glass of water.

My mom REFUSED to live on welfare or take handouts.

We didn't have much...and we may have gone hungry some days...BUT AT LEAST WE HAD OUR FUCKING PRIDE.

I swear....people like you disgust me....and you have no fucking clue about what you speak.

>>129047
>even if it was, its not hypocrite to be rich and advocate for the poor.
That was kinda my point. And you mean "hypocritical".

Christ, the number of people on both sides of this argument who're barely literate...

>>129055
>My mom REFUSED to live on welfare or take handouts.

>BUT AT LEAST WE HAD OUR FUCKING PRIDE.
That was very noble of her. And by noble, I mean bone-shatteringly stupid.

>>129044
It's hilarious how you think you live in poverty.

>>129047
Practise what you preach.

>>129055
Okay, which True Life Stories fiction magazine did you cobble this Dickensian bullshit out of?

>>129055
>>129055

oh look, its that individualistic argument again. your mom must be a very brave woman, but you cant live with this logic that one is the only responsible for one's life, ignoring the plain fact that we live in society. if you had to live through what you live its not because solely because your mom didnt do the best choices she could, but because there is a social-political basis that, in last instance, determines the rest of the social form. try saying a below-middle class teenager to go crack the books to go to a good college, instead of the shitty community colleges. hes gonna laugh. inb4 scholarships. yeah, everyone can get a scholarship. inb4 those who studied more got the scholarships. yes, based on that old individualistic meritocracy. this implies one been advantaged while the other gets disadvantaged. inb4 they should have studied more so he wouldnt get disadvantaged. implying there are enough scholarships even for those who were top students. implying a proper education isnt the right of every single one. implying culture isnt accessible for everyone. implying everyone has the same conditions to crack the books like everyone else

>>129076
>>129076

sorry. im buzzed, writing fast, english is not my native language. pic related

>>129109
>>129109

>doesn't even know me

>>129144
>implying a proper education isnt the right of every single one

Higher education isn't no.

>>129089

So what you're saying is that by my mom and I not living like a bunch of n1ggers on generational welfare and not sacrificing luxury for need is a bad thing.

Or my mother teaching me the need for education and importance of hard work vs. acting like a fucking bum and waiting for a handout or someone to just hand it to us on a silver, fucking platter makes us stupid or "bad" people.

"Being poor doesn't make your stupid....but being stupid will make you poor."

And that's why I have no sympathy for you or anyone else that thinks that acting like a n1gger will get you anything in life but misery.

Pic = You

people ITT should read some chapters of this fella. i bet its gonna be really lulzy

http://www.archive.org/details/protestantethics00webe

>>129154
Yeah, but what's this guy's excuse? >>129165

>>129173

thats the problem with right wind intellectuals. they dont exist anymore. and just because what exists today is a bunch of people who cant understand what the other side is arguing, cant capture the meaning of their discourse, doesnt bother to read the left's influential thinkers, etc.
how i formed my opinion: i watched videos on the internet, grabbed some pictures and reflected about my life based on these premisses.
thats not me in the pic, gentleman

>>129173
>So what you're saying is that by my mom and I not living like a bunch of n1ggers on generational welfare and not sacrificing luxury for need is a bad thing.
I'm interested to know how you jumped from "welfare" to "generational welfare". Unless you're long-term disabled, welfare should act as a stepping-stone.

>Or my mother teaching me the need for education and importance of hard work vs. acting like a fucking bum and waiting for a handout or someone to just hand it to us on a silver, fucking platter makes us stupid or "bad" people.
Claiming welfare doesn't exclude learning those lessons. Also, I believe you when you say you've never claimed welfare, because welfare is actually pretty difficult to get hold off even if you do have a disability. You don't just have it handed to you.

>Pic = You
Except that I'm comfortably off and pay my taxes, not because it's the law, but because I think it's the right thing to do.

>>129121
>>129144

See:

>>129173

I, nor anyone else, OWES YOU A FUCKING THING.

Either do for yourself....or STFU.

Nobody is ENTITLED to anything, except a swift kick in the ass.....I don't care who the fuck you are or where you come from.

NOBODY is owed an education.

NOBODY is owed a college degree.

NOBODY is owed a job they LIKE getting up in the morning to go to or that pays them lots of money just because they think they deserve it.

That's not how the world works....and the quicker you naive fucks realize that....the happier you'll be.

>>129190

hahah

>>129165

yeah it is. i don't know what about in american constitution, but its not a matter of written law, of bourgeoise judicial system. its a matter of plain common sense. the search of knowledge mustn't be obstructed by any element, and in this contemporary social form, the academic institutions play an important role in forming culture and cultural symbols. its so basic that even having to write a paper saying its a right is moronic.

>>129272

and we go back all the way back in our debate

>>129272
>That's not the world I grew up in, so no one should.
A model of virtue, this guy.

Artificially low loans, provide a means for corporations and businesses to absorb huge amounts of debt, while paying an incredibly small fraction of interest. This means that the massive revenue stream generated by these business can easily pay the interest and minimum payments off on these loans, while still having massive cash production. The larger your organization, the more debt you can carry, with minimal risk, as long as the Fed. Reserve grantee's ultra low interest rates. However small businesses do not have the same access, or the same revenue stream to protect themselves from these loans, so they cannot benefit or, benefit far less then the corporations, and large businesses. This means that large businesses can expand more (yes more jobs), but will take up the market space of the small businesses. This leads to a consolidation of power and while not necessarily a monopoly, a huge control of the market share.

This leaves little room of opportunity for small companies to grow. Humans are most likely going to follow the path of least resistance, and shop where its cheaper. Its cheaper for them to deal with the big firms, who will give them a better deal, because at this point they have less risk on there cost. The small business, every transaction is needed. On top of that the larger company can use its size, and borrowed money, to invest in other things, like market research, and advertising. So while Cappo's pizza down the street is great, and even only a few dollars more then Domino's, people locally may still want Cappo's b/c its better, but Cappo can not expand out side of his neighbourhood, or else he needs to build a whole new base in this new area. While Domino's can advertise from Tulsa, to Portland, assuring customers you'll get the same great (shit) pizza nation wide. This strengthens Domino's while weakening Cappo.

>>129307

So please explain to me where I'm wrong.

Please explain to me how I owe you or anyone else ANYTHING that I gained thru MY merit.

I almost wish there was another "great depression".....just so you fucks could find out the hard way just how truly naive and ignorant you really are.

"hurr durr...hard work and character are so 1980's......lol"

I swear, fucking children should be seen and not heard.

>>129388
>Please explain to me how I owe you or anyone else ANYTHING that I gained thru MY merit.
You want people to repeat what's already been stated ad nauseum further up the thread so that a few posts later you can develop amnesia and reiterate your question again, much like you've been doing this whole thread? Are you being deliberately obtuse?

>>129388

see >>129144

and its not a matter of owing, deserving, paying. you are implying there is a dull social contract

The Left's view of Big Business and the Right's view of Big Government are both correct.

>>129429

I asked for a reason or reasonable explanation.

NOT a littany of excuses as to why I or the rest of "society" owes anyone else a comfortable living.

That's what kills me about these people....they want all the benefits of being a part of "society"....but they don't want anything to do with the work it takes to make it a better place.

They rather sit on their asses with their hands out waiting for someone to just give it to them.

You can "wish" and "hope" all you want....but that doesn't change the fact that the world doesn't work that way.....and never has.

>>129556
>a littany [sic] of excuses
So you don't actually have a counter-argument, just tabloid rhetoric? Fine. Next time, state in advance that you're going to dismiss everyone who disagrees with you out of hand.

>>129574

pic = retort

And the whole problem with your line of thought.

I'm a firm believer in the following:

"If liberals had to pay for all their special interests and entitlement handouts out of their OWN pockets AFTER taxes......the liberal movement would disappear over night."

>>129648
>pic = retort
Pic = Soundbite. I'm beginning to believe that you think purely in slogans. And for the record, Liberalism and Socialism aren't synonyms.

>"If liberals had to pay for all their special interests and entitlement handouts out of their OWN pockets AFTER taxes......the liberal movement would disappear over night."
So now that you've at least implicitly acknowledged that Left-wingers do in fact pay taxes, who are these Right-wingers who pay for "special interests and entitlement handouts out of their own pockets after taxes"? I mean, I assume there's some kind of actual complaint here and not more defamatory nonsense.

>>129718

Well...according to "leftists"...right-wingers interests are christianty and guns.

I don't see the gov giving out any money for that.

Do you?

But I sure as hell see the gov giving out tons of MY tax dollars to any minority and "special interest" (like blacks and women) just for being black or having a vagina.

Perfect example:

Dems/libs and the "job stimulus".

You know what their idea of a "job stimulus" was?

Not hiring anyone for federal jobs who isn't a minority (black to be specific) or a woman.

Last I checked....that's not "fair", nor does it make the playing field "equal for everyone".

Which by your logic.....goes against everything "society" is supposed to stand for.

Right?

BTW....liberals BELIEVE in socialism......so as far as I'm concerned...when you say one....you might as well say the other.

Pic related.

>>129789
>Well...according to "leftists"...right-wingers interests are christianty and guns.
There's at least one taxpayer-funded branch of Christian hospital in the States. Naturally it isn't immediate obvious that it's Christian. They simply go by the name of "Crisis Pregnancy Centre". One of them recently refused a Jewish woman admittance unless she converted, despite the fact they were the nearest hospital and despite the fact that they're, y'know, taxpayer-funded and therefore technically public property. For all I know, there are other instances.

>I don't see the gov giving out any money for that.
These are poor examples. Given that the Church is exempt from taxes, why would it need taxpayer money? Given that guns are big business in the States, why would they need taxpayer money? The one hasn't had to struggle since it became the dominant religion of the Roman Empire in Constantine's time, and there's never been a shortage of people wanting to buy guns.

>But I sure as hell see the gov giving out tons of MY tax dollars to any minority and "special interest" (like blacks and women) just for being black or having a vagina.
Do you have specific examples in mind or is this "blacks and women are taking the white man's jobs" spiel?

>Not hiring anyone for federal jobs who isn't a minority (black to be specific) or a woman.
And yet the majority of people I've encountered in federal work outside secretarial duties have all been white and male. I mention secretarial work for the simple reason that the field has almost always been dominated by women.

>BTW....liberals BELIEVE in socialism......so as far as I'm concerned...when you say one....you might as well say the other.
Saying that Liberals subscribe to Socialism because that what you believe they subscribe to is like saying that Ronald Reagan subscribed to Fascism because that's what some extreme Leftists believe.