For the same reason people voted for him in the first place: An even worse challenger.

Iran

>>1082715
that's not why people voted for him.

They voted because he presented himself as anything they wanted. He presented himself as an upstart that was going to change the system.

Because he was only recently a senator, people believed him.

People are morons

Yes, naturally Obama did not wave his fairy wand and instantaneously fix the economy thereby making him a terrible president.

More like when is OP going to get a reality check.

Because the Republicans are even worse than him. And because I don't want Ron Paul putting me and the rest of the middle class at the mercy of the free market. We tried putting the middle class at the mercy of the free market before and it didn't work out to well.

Also Ron Paul is for more deregulation when that is what put us into this mess. With more deregulation Corporations and banks can screw us over even more so they can make more profit.

Obama murdered a 16 year old American who was unarmed, had never been tried for a crime, was non-violent, and had never done anything to anyone. In a country that the USA isn't even at war with.

Tell everyone who is voting Obama. They have a right to know what kind of man they're voting for.

>>1082731
Fair enough, but having a warmongering washington insider as his opponent didn't exactly hurt his chances.

>>1082737
Instead he waved his magic wand to assassinate US citizens and indefinitely detain them without due process, and used warrantless wiretapping more than the bush administration did.

Try again shill.

>>1082752
lol what

>>1082752
>Obama murdered a 16 year old American who was unarmed,
He just gave the order to kill him, but i see where you're coming from.

>>1082768
You didn't know about this? Well, CNN didn't report it.

A week after they killed the US citizen terrorist in Yemen, they also launched a drone strike at his 16 year old son (born in Brooklyn, NY).

Obama supports civil liberties!

>>1082767
Yes, but just him right, not like the majority of congress too or anything

because there's no other candidate worth voting for.

>>1082786
>Obama killed a terrorist
I don't give a fuck if you're born in the US or not, if you're a terrorist plotting against the US, plotting against YOU or ME I hope you get killed.

>>1082819
If you want to keep the civil liberties that the US gives to it's citizens then don't betray the country by trying to harm it or it's citizens.

Because once you betray the US you don't deserve those liberties anymore.

>>1082767
And that was the only thing in the 500+ page military budget right? Aww I'm sorry the U.S. isn't going to collapse now Alex Jones.

Typical conversation with my Obama-loving friends:

> The Republicans are so bigoted and oppressive, none of them support gay marriage!

> Neither does Obama.

> You know that's not true, why would you even say that?!

Being only slightly less worse than your opponent should not warrant getting elected as president. I feel that obama does not deserve to be president again if thats what his whole campaign is based on. Why do we live in a country where all of our options are toxic to us.

>>1082862
If you don't like this country then you can get out.

>>1082853
obama doesn't support gay marriage? are you fucking retarded? his administration has seen the biggest strides for gay rights in decades

open your fucking eyes stormfags

>>1082862
Go to Europe

>>1082819
Prove to me that your life is worth ignoring the Constitution.

>>1082749
>talk about free market
>think about corpocracy

If Paul gets the nominee, he's got my vote. Otherwise, Obama. Sorry but even after all the shitty things he's done, he's still better than the rest of the GOP candidates.

>>1082873
http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2008/11/obama-on-mtv-i/

>>1082884
People using the constitution to avoid justice that they rightfully deserve is worse then breaking it to kick his ass

>>1082901
2008.

The hippies here need to get real, you can't wage an effective offense on international terrorist with all the red tape on the books.

You love to nag about the police state soon to be, but lets see what trash you'll spew if you or someone close ends up hurt.

>>1082819
That's just it though, the 16 year old kid wasn't a terrorist, his dad was (allegedly, NO proof has ever been provided on 4chan that he was).

>>1082921
You need to get real. You're eight times more likely to be killed by a cop than a terrorist, but you're scared of terrorists.

yeah guys rick perry FTW

you stormfags need to get over it. if romney is the nominee obama will absolutely curbstomp him.

mitt is the john kerry of the republican party right now, and obama is going to swiftboat his ass so hard it'll be like 2004 all over again

>gay marriage
The Democrats are running out of "oppressed" people to champion.
>But Obama repealled DADT!
Doesn't mean he is pro-gay marriage. Do you really think the Dems across the board are? And who cares? =he small percentage of gays that want to get married? What is that, 0.01% off the US population? Fucking liberals are pants on head stupid.

>>1082939
Still likely to kill you.
>Well since a cop is more likely to kill me than a terrorist, they should be my best friends.
Cops still do good. Whether your anarchy dick approves it or not

He is shit, but I am sure as hell not voting for Romney. Just fucking look at him.

>>1082930
>Three drone attacks in Yemen Friday night killed seven suspected militants including Anwar Al-Awlaki's son, a security official said.

Read more: http://articles.businessinsider.com/2011-10-15/news/30282831_1_anwar-al-awlaki-shabwa-yemen#ixzz1jBR
sUXE3

>>1082873
>biggest strides for gay rights in decades

So repealing DADT and seeing the introduction of same-sex marriage in a few more states (that was down to the states, not the Obama administration) is more significant than the legalization of homosexual acts, the introduction of civil unions and same-sex marriage and gay adoption, and the unprecedented acceptance of gay rights from the late 70s to the mid 2000s?

The lives of gay people has hardly changed since Obama came to office, unless they're serving/want to serve in the military or they want to get married in Iowa, DC, New Hampshire, or New York (and he had nothing to do with that, it's a state issue).

>>1082972
No they don't, they are an occupying military force put in place after the civil war in order to be able to immediately suppress domestic unrest.

That's their purpose, it's not to help you. Their official policy is officer safety first, the Supreme Court ruled that their job is to protect public order (suppress revolution), NOT to protect the people they are suppressing.

They do not swear to uphold the Constitution.

They are EIGHT TIMES more likely to kill you than a terrorist.

Yet all the government money is being spent to prevent terrorism.

It's not hard to see this picture.

>>1082715
>>..NO proof has ever been provided on 4chan that he was).

Prolly just call DOD. Likely they just forgot to post pics.

>>1082995
>fails to provide any evidence he's a terrorist.

>>1082999pull shit out of my ass

is all your opinions based off of hyperbole and half-truths?

>be american
>say bad stuff about america
>get killed for it

still waiting on the sauce that shows these US citizens were actually terrorists, rather than just assassinated and then called that.

>>1082904
>we need to bend the law to enforce the law!

27+ of you have some explaining to do (or 62+ rather, to get more general)

http://www.kwiksurveys.com?s=OCDHMF_e008fd7c

>>1082999
Are you a literal dumbass. Without police everyone would just be lovey dovey and no one would ever commit crime! :) Oh wait, it's real life

>>1082904
By breaking the constitutional protections, YOU are the criminal.

>>1082913
Has he changed his mind since then?

Compared to W Bush, Obama is a fucking great president.

Because outside of the world of hysterical political hyperbole, he has actually been a mediocre president, not a "fucking terrible president." That may prove more attractive than the prospect of his main challenger.

>>1083035
>doesn't know that police have not always existed in the USA, and that they were installed mostly after the civil war.
>Ignores supreme court ruling that says they don't have to protect US citizens, their job is to suppress domestic unrest.

Just because it's all you've ever known doesn't mean it's needed. Colonists didn't want cops, because the cops we have today are just like the british soldiers that patrolled the streets to "enforce the law." They had a revolution over it.

Then the civil war happened, and then we created a domestic military to patrol and prevent it from ever happening again.

>>1083037
Any right minded person during the time in which the constitution was signed would laugh at you.

>>1082993
RON PAUL BRO.

RON PAUL.

ALL YOU HAVE TO DO IS LISTEN

>>1082715
>An even worse challenger.
John McCain was actually pretty decent, he just didn't have the charisma of Obama . I didn't like McCain much at the time, but I knew little of him. He seems to carry himself well in debates, he's sensible. Pity about his running mate, though.

Palin should stay the fuck away from government, the media, and, well, everything.

But back on topic. I would be voting Obama this year if I had to make a choice, mostly because your statement is so true. There are no Republican candidates that seem better positioned to lead America than the President is.

>>1083061
>citation needed

>>1083031
aww yeah, Ron Paul 2012

>>1082972
I must be the only person in the world who does not give a fuck about terrorists. Whenever I get on a plane, go on a train (inb4 Dr Seuss), go to a national landmark, go to a crowded place etc. I NEVER consider the possibility that I'll be blown up.

Hardly anyone gets killed by terrorists. 9/11 is obviously the major exception, but most terrorist acts succeed in killing only a few people. Why don't we concentrate on much more common and dangerous crimes?

>>1083060

There was law enforcement before the civil war, bro....

>>1083072
a sensible candidate wouldn't pick some small town hillbilly cunt with absolutely no experience to be his VP.

mccain picked her on a whim because he was alzheimer's raging and it fucking showed how incompetant and unfit to govern he was.

>>1083068
I know (or hope) you're kidding, but…

>RON PAUL.
>ALL YOU HAVE TO DO IS LISTEN
So we don't have to think then, right? Great to hear some logic! And I mean just hear it!

>>1083060
Implying people are the same as they were pre-civil war.

>>1083105
no you dont have to think at all

the magic wand will do everything once you accept the free market!!

>>1082737
>and instantaneously fix the economy

This argument worked when he'd only been in office a month. Kinda harder when he's almost got his entire first term under his belt.

Because he is the lesser of two evils.

Unless Ron Paul is his opponent.

When you have to make a choice between a giant douche and a turd sandwich, people tend to go for the giant douche.

>>1083072
McCain was a fool who sold his soul and went from a respectable republican candidate in 2000 to a joke in 2008.

>>1083098
Not in the same way as we had a police presence after the civil war. Not even close actually. You can't even call them the same thing, those police were supposed to protect you, rather than treat you as an enemy combatant at all times in your own country.

>>1083151
>Cop pulls me over
>I was speeding, my bad
>Tells me I was doing wrong by knowingly breaking the law
>Agree
>Writes me a ticket that I deserve
>Say goodbye and exchange smiles
COPS ARE SO MEAN :'(

>>1083102
>small town hillbilly with no experience
>mayor, governor
>Versus our massively experienced community organizer and one-term senator in the #1 spot instead of #2

Okie-doke.

ITT:

>Hurr-durr lesser of two evils hurr
>And I can't vote for that Paul guy, he doesn't believe in evolution!

zzz

>>1083187

I lold. Yeah there isn't a huge and well-known problem of police abusing the fuck out of US citizens on a regular basis.

You're a funny guy to pretend they just give legit speeding ticket, yeah, that's all they do.

Because there's no realistic alternative.
Paul: Old and crazy
Romney: Corporate stooge

Obama definitely isn't the greatest president we've ever had but I honestly believe he did an ok job so far, considering the terrible hand he was dealt with.

>>1082921
>The hippies here need to get real, you can't wage an effective offense on international terrorist with all the red tape on the books.
Who exactly are the terrorists again?

>>1083143
>respectable republican candidate
>Read: There were occasional news bites of him disagreeing with other Republicans and I liked that

>>1083197
Governor of Alaska
>Alaska

>>1083220

I can see how being governor of a slightly less populous state would indeed pale in comparison to being a community organizer.

Which community did he organize again? How big was it? How did he organize it? What did he actually do?

>>1083209
And there definitely aren't a huge and well-known amount of police doing there job on a daily basis.

Even stopping speeders and drunk drivers.

>>1083089
I couldn't agree more. The response to terrorism is ridiculous – we're terrorising ourselves more than they are. We, meaning the US and UK mainly, are instituting an irrational and over-the-top response to a very minor threat. An irrational response to a near non-existent threat, eh? Sounds a lot like paranoia and fear to me – or as some me say, terror. If terrorism's goal is to spread terror, well, I'd say it's doing a great job of it. We're doing most of the terrorising ourselves with our own sensationalist, self-harming and fearful dilusions. We are shooting ourselves in the foot, many times over. I'm surprised we still have feet left to stand on.

The best response to the terrorists is to not allow ourselves to be terrorised. You can break the flesh, but you cannot break our spirit. We will continue to live as we have always done, and do as we see fit, regardless of some threat. We could easily give a big ol' middle finger to terrorists if we could just stand our ground, and stick to our principles. We shouldn't fear violence and hate – we should be too busy enjoying peace, freedom and love to do so. Fuck terrorists, because they sure as hell don't scare me. I'd rather be killed for my principles than die cowering in the gutter.

I often sum it up like this: you're more likely to die in a collision on the drive to the airport, than you are to be killed by Muhammed al-Durkestan on the flight.

>>1083232

lol, no. That's not the problem. The problem is that cops see us as enemy combatants instead of as people to protect and serve.

I don't support criminals, but I don't support SWAT killing a man for having a weed plant in his house either. Law isn't justice. Many police are criminals, and so I don't support them.

People will vote for Obama for the same reason anybody votes for a president, because he's "better than the other guy" and "third parties can't win."

Until people realize that Republicans and Democrats are the same goddamn thing, save for a few social issues that make almost no difference compared to the real issues, then nothing is going to change.

People also have to realize that you don't have to agree 100% with a candidate. I certainly as hell don't agree with everything Ron Paul is about, but I'd much rather vote for him than vote for a guy who's just going to talk real pretty and say what I want him to say, only to elect him and see a complete reversal in all his positions once the governing starts (Obama).

>>1083253
Exactly. It seems a cliche to say "the terrorists have won", but they actually have. Their main objective isn't to kill people, it's to scare people.

http://www.studentnewsdaily.com/conservative-vs-liberal-beliefs/

>>1083279
If all the people who think "I won't vote for who I really want to vote for, because it won't make a difference" actually would vote the way they wanted, then the outcomes of elections would be very different. A third party candidate would receive a substantial proportion of the votes.

Blaming Obama for the economy is like blaming JFK for racism. Or Bush for terrorism. Do you guys not see the look on his face as he puts the responsibility in our business' hand to pull the economy through and they fail him? Sure he may not have been the white knight everyone expected post Bush, but everyone criticizes him for what is really America's fault. And don't get me wrong, I love America to death.

>>1083394
Why can't we blame him for not fighting against QE phasing and the bailouts?

We aren't blaming him for "the economy," we're blaming him for specific actions he has and has refused to take which have enriched his corporate sponsors at our expense.

>>1083211
>>1083211
>>1083211

>Obama definitely isn't the greatest president we've ever had but I honestly believe he did an ok job so far, considering the terrible hand he was dealt with.
>the terrible hand he was dealt with.
>dealt with
>WITH

you fucking momo it's the hand you're dealt.
pic related.

>>1083293
>Exactly. It seems a cliche to say "the terrorists have won", but they actually have. Their main objective isn't to kill people, it's to scare people.

Oh my god I can't believe that people this stupid have survived through the years since I last saw someone use this argument.

The last time I called one of you idiots out he actually used the phrase "If they were interested in killing people, they'd be called killer-ists, not terrorsists!"

Terror isn't their GOAL, you fucktard, it's their METHOD. They're not called terrorists because they're some giant yellow space bug that feeds off fear, it's because they use fear-inducing tactics to attempt to cause societal change that is beneficial to them. If we get scared but move FURTHER from a pro-Islamic stance and keep more of ourselves alive, it doesn't matter if we're scared, you goddamned retard. It's not some game where they score Terror Points just for us being scared, you jizz-guzzling jackanape.

>>1083429
Well that's fine and dandy but it's not really "We" when most of the U.S. uses the economy as their main arguement. And the corporations have pretty much been in control since around the gilded age. Either secretly or just blatantly. With the exception of a few presidents perhaps.

Obama's done ok considering the congress he's had to work with.

>>1083477
>Try to play semantics about "the economy"
>Other poster explains what people mean when they say "the economy"
>Insist that applies only to that single poster and not everyone who criticizes Obama's handling of economic issues

>>1083520
>Obama's done ok considering the congress he's had to work with.

You mean that Democrat supermajority he had for his first two years in office?

Yeah, I can see how that would really hamstring a Democrat presidency.

>>1083462
>implying I'm content to spend my time being scared of Muslims in any way

>>1083585
>Implying that has any bearing whatsoever on anything

>>1083599

>>1083536
The average, fat, Joe Shmoe sitting at home won't like Obama because of the economic numbers.

Don't know.

No good presidents up either.

I'd rather deal with Ron Paul's bullshit than obama or any other of the republican party.

>>1083546
Maybe I'm not remembering this, but wasn't it that he "didn't" have the super majority? That's why Democrats had to negotiate with a couple Republicans to prevent a filibuster before it came to the floor.

>>1083620

I'd vote for Obama before I'd vote for Ron Paul.

And I'm a registered Republican.

Obama will just royally fuck the country up if he gets another four years, but we'll survive, and at that point people would be so sick of him and Democrats in general we'd have a pretty decent guarantee of three Republican presidential terms following him.

Ron Paul would pretty much destroy America with his policies. And no I don't mean herpderpSTATESRIGHTS and herpderpCONSTITUTION, I mean the whole isolationism, nonintervention, roll-back-to-we-just-became-a-country-days bullshit.

America will recover from Obama, I'm not sure it could survive Paul, especially AFTER Obama.

>>1083640
>Maybe I'm not remembering this, but wasn't it that he "didn't" have the super majority?

Wow, you guys usually wait at least ten years to start rewriting history.

>>1083688
Teddy Kenedy's health and death, Al Franken's long drawn out recount process and the "blue dogs" Republicans with donkey badges.

Obama because I'm not a conspiracist and the last 4 years were pretty chill for me. Friends getting jobs and going to college. I love this country and I'll stay with it until the end. I think about what I can do to payback the country that has made my life pretty great instead of thinking of more stuff my country can do for me personally.

>>1083753
>Teddy Kenedy's health and death

Maybe you should stop electing ancient, sickly murderers.

>Al Franken's long drawn out recount process

S'what you get for cheating.

>and the "blue dogs" Republicans with donkey badges.

Ah yes, this one. It's always funny that you guys will sneer at Republicans for being some lockstep hivemind, but the instant one of your own steps out of line you will shake the heavens with your rage. DINO, Blue Dog, Fox News Liberal, and many other names for the insufficiently loyal.

You really want to call them "traitors" but you spent so long vilifying the Republicans for using that word that I guess even you have the self-awareness to realize it wouldn't go over well.

>>1082702

1. Killed Osama.

2. Repealed Don't Ask, Don't Tell

3. Passed Obamacare (even though it's a terrible piece of legislation, liberals will cry "at least he tried")

4. He's black so he still has the nigger vote.

That's pretty much it. But yeah, IMO he has been a mediocre president at best.

Tax credits for up to 29 million individuals to help pay for health insurance

Expansion of Medicaid to all individuals under age 65 with incomes up to 133 percent of the federal poverty level

Require health insurance plans to disclose how much of the premium actually goes to patient care

Added 4.6 billion USD to the Veterans Administration budget to recruit and retain more mental health professionals

Lifted restrictions granting Cuban Americans unrestricted rights to visit family and send remittances to the island

Eliminated subsidies to private lender middlemen of student loans and protect student borrowers

Increased funding for national parks and forests by 10%

Significantly expanded Pell grants, which help low-income students pay for college

Expanded hate crime law in the US to include sexual orientation through the Matthew Shepard and James Byrd Jr. Hate Crimes Prevention Act

Appointed nation's first Chief Technology Officer

Signed financial reform law requiring lenders to verify applicants' credit history, income, and employment status

Signed financial reform law prohibiting banks from engaging in proprietary trading (trading the bank's own money to turn a profit, often in conflict with their customers' interests)

Signed financial reform law allowing shareholders of publicly traded companies to vote on executive pay

Cut prescription drug cost for medicare recipients by 50%

Provided $12.2 Billion in new funding for Individuals With Disabilities Education Act

Appointed more openly gay officials than any other president in US history

Appointed first Latina to the US Supreme Court

Promoted social responsibility through creation of serve.gov, a national database of volunteer opportunities

Reversed 'global gag rule', allowing US aid to go to organizations regardless of whether they provide abortions

Signed New START Treaty - nuclear arms reduction pact with Russia

Increased average fuel economy standards from 27.5mpg to 35.5mpg, starting in 2016

Signed the Lilly Ledbetter Fair Pay Act, restoring basic protections against pay discrimination for women and other workers

Provided travel expenses to families of fallen soldiers to be on hand when the body arrives at Dover AFB

Reversed the policy of barring media coverage during the return of fallen soldiers to Dover Air Force Base

Launched recovery.gov to track spending from the Recovery Act, providing transparency and allowing the public to report fraud, waste, or abuse

Provided the Department of Veterans Affairs with more than $1.4 billion to improve services to America's Veterans

Signed the Children's Health Insurance Reauthorization Act, which provides health care to 11 million kids -- 4 million of whom were previously uninsured

Issued executive order to repeal Bush era restrictions on federal funding for embryonic stem cell research

Signed the Christopher and Dana Reeve Paralysis Act, the first piece of comprehensive legislation aimed at improving the lives of Americans living with paralysis

Signed the Weapons Systems Acquisition Reform Act to stop fraud and wasteful spending in the defense procurement and contracting system

Established Credit Card Bill of Rights, preventing credit card companies from imposing arbitrary rate increases on customers

Tax cuts for up to 3.5 million small businesses to help pay for employee health care coverage

>>1083821
1. Why should we stop? He was popular. Kept someone else out.
2. Baseless accusation. Good work.
3. Eh, good point. But it's the cost of a large group of people under the same name. Dems don't have a checklist of things you have to believe to be one, so it's harder to form a broad consensus. Hell, the Black community hates Gays, but they're both gonna call themselves Democrats if push comes to shove.

>>1083839
>Killed Osama.

Which actually alienated a lot of the really hardcore left vote, they feel he "murdered" or "assassinated" Osama. The outrage over Son Of Al'Wacky hasn't helped.

>Repealed Don't Ask, Don't Tell

Which would have secured the gay vote... but he had that already, the gay community at large has been subverted into solidly Democrat in much the same way the black community has. Any of them who it would have gotten excited to vote will probably remember that it actually halfway got repealed in spite of him, not because of him. Numbers will be largely unchanged.

>Passed Obamacare (even though it's a terrible piece of legislation, liberals will cry "at least he tried")

Won't do them much good if it's being challenged in the Supreme Court during the election. Whichever way it decides, having something like that go up doesn't look good for you.

>He's black so he still has the nigger vote.

But they're not EXCITED like they were four years ago. Four years ago "We gonna be President!" had them jumping up and down like KFC had just announced it had gone non-profit. Plenty of them will be excited again, but it won't take a whole lot to damp that enthusiasm. It's entirely possible that the amount of black voters Obama gets will be decided by how crappy the weather is on election day. If it's cold or snowy or rainy or whatever there's gonna be a lot of "Aww, he gon' win anyways, we still be President tomorrow. Wut's on th' CW?"

>>1083886
>>1083927

Spend awhile copypasting from that "what has he done lately" site?

Too bad a lot of that is either false, exaggerated, standard stuff that would have been done exactly the same if McCain was in office, or shit he had absolutely nothing to do with but just happened to occur while he was in office.

By the way, good luck compressing all of that into a soundbite that will actually change the minds of a country that's consistently said he's doing the worst job of the last half-dozen Presidents.

>Won't do them much good if it's being challenged in the Supreme Court during the election. Whichever way it decides, having something like that go up doesn't look good for you.

You do know that the Obama Administration asked the SC to take the case? They figure that if it's declared Constitutional, it will pay off one hundred times over.

>>1083927
>bailed out banks with 7.77 trillion dollars with no interest
>lost 13 billion dollars when banks just collected interest on us bonds
>increased military budget
>assassinated 16 year old w/o trial or any proof of crime
> pointless war in Libya, destabilized and militarized the country (remembers Osama)
> Obamacare benefits insurance companies
>Lost 500 million dollars in solyndra and destroyed confidence in American solar energy.

But hey none of that is important right?

>>1083988
>False stuff
Source for each one
>Implying Obama won't win

>>1083988
>>1084013
What a bunch of whinny bitches fuck

>>1082702
Does the name Mitt Romney help? I could probably shit a better candidate.

>>1084013
>pointless war in libya
>destabilized the country
Naw, I'm pretty sure the civil war did the destabilizing pretty fucking well until we showed up.
Also
>implying the Libyans weren't BEGGING us to be there
>implying America didn't just come in, shoot rockets, and then leave
The main presence in Libya was by the Europeans, America just shot and then ran away.

>>1084019
>>False stuff
>Source for each one

You posted it, you prove it.

Unless of course image is related to you?

>>1084056
>The civilian population was begging us to liberate them from their oppressor!

This sounds familiar...

>>1083960
>>1083988
Whelp, you're clearly a troll. Or an idiot. Either way, a question was posed as to "Why would anyone vote for Obama" yet any answer that would attempt to address that is dismissed out of hand.

As such, I can only declare you are unwilling to enter into an intelligent discussion and simply want to beat your chest and yell.

Excellent work. Please, continue.

He did most of what he said he would.

in order
http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/03/30/obama-signs-bill-on-student-loans-health-care/

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/03/22/your-money/health-insurance/22consumer.html?_r=1&ref=policy

http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/03/30/obama-signs-bill-on-student-loans-health-care/

http://www4.va.gov/budget/products.asp

http://www.justice.gov/jmd/2010summary/html/ovw-bud-summary.htm

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=103030021

http://www.smartmoney.com/personal-finance/college-planning/the-health-care-bill-and-your-student-lo
ans/?print=1

http://www.npca.org/media_center/press_releases/2009/park_funding_102909.html

http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/03/30/obama-signs-bill-on-student-loans-health-care/

http://www.hrc.org/13699.htm

http://www.whitehouse.gov/administration/eop/ostp

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-20008835-503544.html

http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd?bill=h111-4872&tab=summary

http://www2.ed.gov/policy/gen/leg/recovery/factsheet/idea.html

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2010/oct/26/obama-has-appointed-most-us-gay-officials/

http://newsjunkiepost.com/2010/10/08/its-official-more-private-sector-jobs-created-in-2010-than-duri
ng-entire-bush-years/

http://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/disclosures/visitor-records

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=104648062

http://www.serve.gov/

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/jan/23/barack-obama-foreign-abortion-aid

http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi-bin/getdoc.cgi?dbname=111_cong_bills&docid=f:h1256enr.txt.pd
f

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/04/09/world/europe/09prexy.html?_r=1

>For the first post

>>1084088
>Whelp, you're clearly a troll. Or an idiot.

Awww. Baby had his feewigns huwt. Peepew saying MEAN tings about Chocwat Jethuth. Poow baby.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/04/01/AR2010040101412.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lilly_Ledbetter_Fair_Pay_Act_of_2009

http://thelede.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/03/18/pentagon-will-help-families/

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/7986203.stm

http://recovery.gov

http://www4.va.gov/budget/products.asp

http://themiddleclass.org/bill/children039s-health-insurance-program-reauthorization-act-2009

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/mar/09/obama-administration-stem-cell-funding

http://www.christopherreeve.org/site/c.ddJFKRNoFiG/b.4506337/apps/s/content.asp?ct=6866203

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weapon_Systems_Acquisition_Reform_Act_of_2009

http://politifact.com/truth-o-meter/promises/promise/33/establish-a-credit-card-bill-of-rights/

http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/03/30/obama-signs-bill-on-student-loans-health-care/

>2nd post
Sorry if I missed a few

>>1083886
>Spent a fuckload of money we don't have on shit we don't need
>>1083927
>Ditto

Oh yeah, genius president, there.

>>1084188
>We don't need
>We
Your definition of "We" is a little warped bud.

>>1084131
>>1084166
>blogs
>whitehouse.gov
>nytimes
>wikipedia
>guardian
>bbc

>>1084188
Hate it if you want, he fulfilled his campaign promises.

>>1084195

I'm sorry, are you going to die if US money doesn't fund more abortions in foreign countries?

In that case, I should have said "For shit that anyone who would be missed by anyone at all doesn't need".

>>1084087
Yeah, besides the occupation, the nation-building, the expenditures, the military commitment, NONE of which happened, you're correct.
Admit it, Libya was justified, it was short, and we left without much of a footprint.
It's probably the ONLY undeclared war that went right for us in the past 20 years.

>>1084230

Which were?

>>1084236
>Funding abortions
More like funding those who support abortion which is Obama not being a religious asshole.

>>1084056

So were afghans with the soviets, didn't turn out so great did it?

Also, that war cost us a billion dollars while it cost UK like 100 millions or so, we got screwed.

>>1084243
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/promises/obameter/
Read up

ITT: Republicans bitching about a Democratic president that is better than anything they've churned out for over 100 years.

>>1084428
>>1084428
>>1084428
This.

>>1084428
Hey hey, Eisenhower was a great president. But then again, he would've been shamed by what's being churned out now.

>>1084166
> implying student loans that indirectly drive the cost of education to ridiculous fucking proportions is a good thing.

>>1084508
Source?

I voted for Obama in 2008, not sure if I'm going to vote for him this year.

Three years ago I was mostly focused on social issues and the war; in that regards I still prefer Obama over the Republicans.

But this time around I worry about the economy and the public debt more and if Romney is the republican nominee I'll probably vote for him as Obama doesn't give me much trust in those areas.

>>1084580
>Reagan economics
>MFW

>>1084496
>But then again, he would've been shamed by what's being churned out now.
By his own party, no less. But I was referring to Teddy Roosevelt.

Eisenhower was decent, ideologically, and a great speaker, but he was powerless to stop the path our country was taking (military-industrial complex) and died regretting his failure.

My vote is for Rick Santorum

>>1084602

Yeah, Reagan really ruined the economy. O wait.

>>1084580
>Romney
>implying Romney will do ANYTHING productive for this country

>>1084636
"Trickle down" has never worked and will never work. Stop beating a dead horse. Put down the 2x4.

>>1084640

You must be right, he won't. Very powerful argument.

>>1084636
>Reagan economics leading up to now
>Again MFW
Because the economy has done so well with republicans using Reagan economics.

>>1084653

You're aware nobody has ever defended "trickle down economics", right? That's a strawman created by the left. Please tell me you know this and that were just being sarcastic.

>>1084658

So, the economy did very well with Reagan.

Suddenly spending explodes.

The economy does worse.

This more than 20 years after Reagan left office.

You blame Reagan.

>>1084694
>You're aware nobody has ever defended "trickle down economics", right?

Oh, /pol/. You so crazy.

Can americans tell that Obama and Romney have nearly identical policies except for the (D) and (R) besides their name? Can they not see its a false choice?

Ron Paul is the only third party candidate in the election. He is technically part of the Republicrats but that is only because he knows Americans only vote within the two parties.

Ron Paul = REAL change (something most people are probably too scared of tbh)

>>1084786
And I thought we were going to go without Paulbots :'(

>>1084742

Educate yourself:

>There has never been any school of economists who believed in a trickle down theory. No such theory can be found in even the most voluminous and learned books on the history of economics. It is a straw man.

http://www.capitalismmagazine.com/economics/1115-the-trickle-down-economics-straw-man.html

"trickle-down economics" is like the nutjobs in the right calling Obama a Kenyan Marxist. Except it's the nutjobs in the left.

>>1084805
Capitalism magazine
Lol

>>1084837

Try to read the article and learn something.

Or just present any sort of evidence that "trickle down economics" isn't just a gigantic strawman a la "Obama is a Kenyan Communist" or "pro-choice democrats like abortions and want babies to be killed".

>>1084726
>So, the economy did very well with Reagan.
Due to Vlocker's economic policy under Carter, not the Reagan tax cuts.

Reagan just took credit for the natural boom resulting from the 70s recession.

Do a bit of research before you herp derp across the internet, god damn.

If Democrats had a shred of dignity, they wouldn't vote in this election.

>>1084802
Nope, they're like fucking roaches.

>>1084897
The same can be said of Republicans.

Obama is simply trying to clean up the Republican mess with the tools he is afforded.

>>1084897
Obama is the only way to go.
>>1083886
>>1083927

>>1084897
If Republicans had dignity, they would sit 2012 out and reform their party. Not to mention put forth worthy candidates in the future.

>>1084934

Why exactly should I vote for Obama because he simply decided to borrow more money in my behalf and spend it in this kind of stuff:
>>1083886

?

I mean, what's exactly so hard about that?

>>1084880

Are you trying to claim that tax cuts don't promote economic growth?

And that high interest rates - which was Paul Vockler did, he raised taxes to keep inflation low (I'm kind of curious to know what exactly you labeled as "Vockler's economic policy") - leads to economic growth?

You could win a Nobel if you can make a coherent argument for those things.

>>1084998
>spend it in this kind of stuff:
>implying all of those things aren't good for our country both right now and in the long run

Fuck. For smart people, you bunch are fucking dense sometimes.

>>1084998
So you support the community that you live in. And the people you live around instead of bitching about what the government can do for you. Selfish cunt

>>1085032

And, for the record, I fully agree with Volcker's hawkish take on inflation and his decisions.

But calling it an "economic policy" is kind of weird (he had control over the monetary policy) and saying that a monetary policy of high interest rates is what kick-started economic growth is even more strange.

I mean, you're aware that you're saying that Obama and Bernanke have it all wrong, right?

>>1085038

Yeah, I'd rather spend my own money. I wouldn't invest it on companies like Solyndra, for example. Or bailing out Obama's donors in Wall Street. Or his union friends.

Plus, you haven't answered. Is that why he deserves reelection? Because he borrowed money in our behalf and spent it on stuff he likes? Again, doesnt' really look like something hard to do. He didn't even had to convince people to give him money.

>>1084998
>>1085045
lol blatant samefag

Go to bed, child. Let the adults talk about grown up stuff.

>>1085045

Not sure what you're trying to say but my point is that the "hey guys, I borrowed a lot of money y'all have to pay later and spend it on stuff I like and that is cool" doesn't sound exactly like a winning argument for Obama. I mean, I could do that to. Who couldn't?

>>1085144
>>1085104
I expect you have source on that one

>>1085129

Not samefagging.

I'm this guy:
>>1085144
>>1085104
>>1085072
>>1085032
>>1084998

>>1085162

A source on what specifically?

>>1085181
That Obama is bailing out his donors. I mean, you have evidence that he does that for his own good right? And spending it on stuff that is cool? Lol

10 Million views

u mad Obongofags?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eAaQNACwaLw

>>1085072
Not the person you were responding to, but:

>And, for the record, I fully agree with Volcker's hawkish take on inflation and his decisions.
As such, you'll admit that it was Vlocker's masterful control of the Fed and not Reagan's tax policies who was responsible for the drop in inflation, saving the country's economy from depression and unemployment that was, at the time, as high as the Great Depression.

Also, the de-regulation of the economy under him is one of the primary reasons that landed us in the mess we're in now.

THANKS REAGAN!

>>1085311
>who
*that

>>1085104
>Yeah, I'd rather spend my own money.
So every person in America should elect how to spend their specific amount of tax money for what they believe the country needs.
>implying that wouldn't be a pointless clusterfuck

It's like libertarians don't even live in reality. They live in a cartoon world where they think every town should be like a frontier mining town with a mercenary police force.

>>1085299
Using Alex Jones in an argument should send you back to /b/

>>1085193

I have evidence he got more contributions from Wall Street than anyone else in history and that Wall Street benefited immensely from his financial bailouts and subsidies. I mean, how is this news for you?

Do you want sources for his donors being directly rewarded with public money?
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/06/15/obama-donor-jobs_n_877563.html?ncid=edlinkusaolp00000008
http://www.politico.com/blogs/joshgerstein/0611/Carney_defends_Obama_meeting_financeworld_donors_at_
White_House.html
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/06/13/us/politics/13donor.html
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/06/13/us/politics/13donor.html
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/06/13/obama-campaign-arm-advise_n_875986.html
http://www.politico.com/politico44/perm/0611/just_a_coincidence_f15daeaf-4f8c-4490-8499-7cafdad8cc6c
.html

Just a cursory google search.
http://articles.businessinsider.com/2011-11-09/politics/30376689_1_mf-global-global-filed-bankruptcy
-protection

I'm sure Obama thought it was cool to spend all that money in that stuff.


What I still don't understand is what is so impressive about it. Taking others people money and spending it? Meh.


>>1085311
>As such, you'll admit that it was Vlocker's masterful control of the Fed and not Reagan's tax policies who was responsible for the drop in inflation, saving the country's economy from depression and unemployment that was, at the time, as high as the Great Depression.

No, I think it was a mix of the two. Volcker's policy dealt with inflation, Reagan's policy dealt with stagnation.

>>1084640

We mean Paul, obviously. No one here is for Romney. Most of us also hate Oboma too, s o we''l just go with Gary Johnson and make the GOP cry when they see him with 15% or so.

>>1085443

Yes, because it'd be a monumental clusterfuck if Obama hadn't been able to invest hundreds of millions of others people's money on "green companies" like Solyndra:
http://dailycaller.com/2011/11/04/big-money-still-flowed-to-politically-connected-donors-while-solyn
dra-sunk/

I mean, we'll have to cut spending, even Obama admits that. Are you saying that it's going to be the apocalypse? What's your solution then?

Anyway, that's beyond the point. I'm just saying that "hey, vote for this guy, look he borrowed money on your behalf and spent it, what's not to like" isn't really a very appealing slogan.

>>1085523

I'll vote for Romney if Paul doesn't win the nonimation and doesn't run as an Independent.

Obama = worse, anti-Constitution, judges in the SCOTUS

Romney = same type of judges Ron Paul would nominate

Frankly, that's basically the largest presidential power, nominate supremes.

>>1082752
>>1082752
>>1082752
>Implying Awlaki's son was murdered on purpose
>Implying he wouldn't have grown up to avenge his dad

>>1084547

>>1085577

>>1085492
Reagan's tax policy was fucking terribad. It was only offset by Vlocker's economic acumen and inflation strategy (which was ridiculously harangued and opposed by the majority of Reagan's economic team) stemming from the more receptive Carter administration in years prior.

Stop sucking Reagan's cock. He did NOTHING good for this country.

>>1085568

Awalki's son was intentionally killed a week after his Dad.

The fact that most likely he would swear revenge against the U.S. is the problem with the war on terror, perpetual warfare.

>>1085589
So we should just abandon the whole Dept. of Education as opposed to reforming the bureaucracy and corruption within it.

Great plan guys.

>>1085651

We'd keep funding for mentally disabled children.

aside from that it only makes things worse.

>>1085699
>We'd keep funding for mentally disabled children.
Why not just kill them? Net gains.

>>1085615

We get you hate Reagan, but do you have any arguments to backup your claim that his economic policy was so bad?

And why exactly can a simple deflationary monetary policy offset a terrible economic policy?

By the way, what do you think of Obama and Bernanke pursuing an inflationary economic policy?

>>1085651

Clearly it hasn't helped kids, so why have it at all? (except for funding certain disabled children's which can be handled ny other departments)

Obama is Bush III

>say Obama is better than Bush.

Democrats are mostly retarded, can't reason, and most of the time can't think clearly. They also refuse to read the news if it doesn't conform to their mindset.

For the record, I pretty much hated Bush.

>>1085728

because according to enough people

DURR HURR NO SUCH THING AS INFERIOR PEOPLE WERE ALL THE SAME

>>1085735

>By the way, what do you think of Obama and Bernanke pursuing an inflationary economic policy?

It's a good policy. It's been used in the past to shrink national debts, it's tried and tested.

It won't hurt pensioners, their pensions are index linked. It won't hurt those that have invested their money (that includes the gold freeloaders), it will only hurt those stupid enough to keep their dollar savings in low interest accounts.

An inflation rate of 5% is good for employers, they can reduce wages without cutting salaries.

>>1085735
Not the guy you posted to, but when Reagan entered office, the USA was the world's leading creditor. When he left, we were the world's leading debtor.

> Obama has been a fucking terrible president, why would anyone vote for him again?

We'll know when it is exlained how Bush Jr. was voted in twice.

>>1085854
>>1085854
>>1085854
>>1085854
>implying Republicans are all highly intelligent.
>implying 2012 GOP candidates are remotely smart.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA OH WOW DUDE OH WOW

The problem with Democrats is that they are all stupid. And also bad people.