Meanwhile Europe is currently collapsing.

0/10

>>101907
not really

American conservatives don't even know what socialism is. I don't think Americans have ever seen a leftist politician.

>>101887

do you know how deeply screwed Europe is? the US may be a bit fucked but it is still in better shape than the likes of Spain and Greece.

>>101916

pls explain "not really"

>>101916
>not really
Yes really

>>101916
They've just been bailed out by China. It definitely is collapsing.

Who'da thunk expensive entitlement programs, socialized education, regulations and high taxes were unviable?

>>101916
They had a fuckhuge problem on their hand. And they were borrowing from China as well. You can't deny they were in the middle of their own crisis.

The issues that matter to real Americans

tax cuts for the rich
repeal Obamacare
deregulation
war with Iran
abortion begins at conception
end gay marriage
end DADT
guberment is too big
stripping Union rights
Corporations are people
defunding NPR
English as an official language
banning Sharia law

Christianity

>>101940

all americans?

>>101937
Yeah, but to be fair, the Eurozone wouldn't be in this mess had Wall Street not taken the world economy for a ride.

>tl;dr why are conservative politicians so ignorant, and why do people keep voting for them?

Amerifag here. We're deeply intrenched with the capitalist mythology of the American Dream. We've been taught from an early age that greed is a virtue and the individual is always, in the end, more important that society at large.

>>101957
No, just the ones who need to die.

>>101940
>deregulation
Hell yeah!
>abortion begins at conception
Morning after pill, hell yeah!
>defunding NPR
Few people still get their news from radio
>English as an official language
Hell yeah!
>banning Sharia law
Hell yeah!

>>101964
so what you are really saying is...

>>101932
For one, the debts of western European countries are nowhere near that of the U.S.

With regards to Greece and Portugal, for example, their problems are not representative of the entirety of the eurozone. As Sarkozy said just the other day, it was a mistake to allow Greece into the Eurozone because their economy wasn't ready for the euro transition. These countries are exceptions, not the norm.

Besides, there's confidence that Europe will be fine anyways in the end. They just agreed to the new bailout package the other day, if I'm not mistaken.

The pessimism you hear about Europe is sensationalist. It's not like the entire continent is about to go down in flames. At worst, Greece will be kicked out.

http://online.wsj.com/public/page/europe-debt.html?mod=quicklinks_europecrisis
LOL

>>101940
It's weird too because these issues were the most important things in American political discourse until two months ago, and then OWS changed the entire nature of the political discourse to jobs, neo-liberalism, corruption, deregulation, etc. American politics are really unstable at this point, swinging from one extreme to the other.

EUROPE IS A JEW

>>101960
Yes, Wall Street made Greece borrow money to dole out unsustainable social-bribes, and made Spain invest in/subsidize bullshit green tech.

>>101960
Can not into economy. No, the cause was Greece who's government was spending uncontrollably, and had all these programs in place, without generating any revenue.

>>101887
implying western europe is not collapsing in on itself fiscally and demographically

>>102000
No, Goldman Sachs sold Greece a bill of good, without Greece knowing that Goldman had shorted the bill (i.e. they had already bet against it). Look it up.

>>102006

and revenue comes from where?

>>102023
circular reasoning
goldman bet against greece because greece was already fucked
greece was already fucked because socialism
yet here OP is arguing socialism is fucking great and conservativism is wrong
you mad

>OP makes points about Western Europe's success in socio-economic categories
>/pol/ points to Greece as a counter argument

lol wtf

>>102023
>country goes into debt
>country borrows money
>blame everyone that lends them money
Let's start a new movement! Occupy China!

>>102059
Can't into logic.

>>102077
(Greece isn't western europe)

>>101940

>end DADT
We already ended it

>English as an official language
Well it WOULD make communication a fuck load easier. If I were an employer, I'd like to expect that all of my employees are perfectly capable of speaking to me about work related issues and such, in a language I can understand.

>banning Sharia law
It's already banned in the first fucking amendment. No, you don't even get to have small areas where you can enforce religious laws, this entire country is secular and that ruling is final.

>>101887
>Europe outranks the U.S. in pretty much every socio-economic category, like education, health, life expectancy, happiness, social mobility, and workers rights.

Yeah, not at all. In fact, its funny, of the three nations with a higher HDI than the US, only one is European.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_Human_Development_Index

Do a little research before spouting dumb assumptions.

>>102059
>implying greece isn't considered west europe
>implying spain isn't in financial trouble
>implying portugal isn't in financial trouble
>implying italy isn't in financial trouble
>implying belgium isn't in financial trouble
>implying the rest of europe isn't in financial trouble "redistributing" their wealth to these countries
greece is the worst but that doesn't mean everyone else is thriving, retard

The EU/yurozone is in FAR worse debt and economic crisis than America. In fact, yurop right now has the largest debt in all human history. Hell, britardland alone is so deep in debt they're basically 500% their own GDP in it. America meanwhile still maintains a debt lower than the GDP.

Also if you count Europe as a whole, it has inferior everything compared to America.

If you compared state by state, New England or its state by itself has the highest of any of those things in the world.

yurop is fucking doomed and anyone who thinks otherwise is fucking delusional.

>>102099
(yes it is)

>>102023

Greece paid Goldman Sachs hundreds of millions of dollars for shady accounting to make it look like their GDP was growing faster than it really was. If greeks actually want to blame Wall Street it just goes to show these lazy fucks will never understand how entitled they really are.

>>102069
>bank borrows money
>bank bets against itself and is no good on returning the debt

HURR NOT BANK'S FAULT -- STOLEN FAIR AND SQUARE

>>102140
>having a really weird definition of East and West that isn't actually based on geography
hm... looks like a couple of diagonal lines to me. you would think East/West would be up/down.

>>102123
>Implying America isn't in more debt than all of them combined

Let's not assume America is not in trouble right now.

>>102120
I would question those rankings. I just searched all of the categories listed by the OP, and it's true that much of Europe outranks the U.S. in them.

Perhaps the HDI takes into account other things, too. But in terms of education, health, life expectancy, happiness, social mobility, and workers rights, the OP is right.

>>102120

And now...?

>>102167
it's based on where the iron curtain was (NATO vs Warsaw Pact)

No Greece, you are the banks.

>>102190
debt as % of GDP is more important and europe is waaay fucked in that regard

You can't make America have an official language, it's not in the culture to do that.

People used to fight over if we should write laws in German. America is an immigrant nation (LEGAL immigrants). You can't go around having English as the official language ever. It's unconstitutional to force people to do that, even if not knowing English in America makes your life extremely difficult here.

Besides, America have one of the best educations in language and literacy in the entire world. A ridiculous number of foreign teachers come here just to teach foreign languages and at the university level, NOBODY beats America in anything.

>>102190

Not saying that the USA doesn't have a debt problem, but it's the debt:GDP ratio that counts, not the debt in absolute terms. The USA is in nowhere near the debt problems that Italy, Greece, even France are in right now. It's just that large amounts of people in the USA think that a national economy works the same as a regional pizza chain or family accounting, and assume that the USA having zero debt would be a good thing.

>>102241
Actually, France's percentage is lower than the U.S.'s

And so the trend in HDI is revealed...

>>102190
>more debt than all of them combined

NOPE.avi

am i reading this wrong or does this mean there was only 2 states with a lower pregnancy rate then texas?

>>101907
Not because of the welfare states, but because of incompetent politicians who have bought the same austerity bullshit ideology that the American conservatives propose.

>>102192
I researched them as well and yuropoors do not. They are inferior subhumans.

>>102256
No it's not, lol.

France is at above 114%

America is still sitting at 94%

Those conservatives generally don't really like facts. For them, small gubbermint is more important than facts. For the reasonable people, government itself isn't good, but they realize when it's necessary. Their ideology generally doesn't override the facts.

Besides, conservatives are usually also not as educated or grew up in their own parallel universe of either Jesus or corporatism.

>>102306
France is at 84-85%, brohan

>>102190
>>Let's not assume America is not in trouble right now.

wat? We might have to eat out less and turn off the cable, but we're not going to lose the house. U.S. debt is manageable, but debt shouldn't be a way of life, so we need to start living within our means. We can't afford to police the world, so we need to give that up for starters. If the rest of the world wants peace, somebody else needs to start chipping in a fair share.

>>102288
It's most definitely the welfare and stupid social policies.

Hey, remember when the wikileaks revealed European banks were far more corrupt than even our shitty banks here in America? That was fucking funny shit. But considering the history of banking in yuroland, I'm not shocked in the slightest. Just amused that they haven't learned after the Rothschild's incidents.

Blaming conservatives is fucking retarded when it was the conservatives who kept the western world so fucking rich over the shitty side of the east.

Britain, France and Spain are shitholes. The only European countries I can think of that aren't shitholes are the nordic ones, because guess what? Each Nordic country has population of a dozen million people. That's the only case under which a welfare state can somewhat work. Other than that, fuck no.

>they think stupid shit like bailouts are conservative actions
>they think this economic crisis wasn't caused by moderate socialism in the first place
>they think that's how capitalism works instead of letting them fall naturally without state or federal intervention
>yuropoors and libtards in general

>>102381
>Britain, France and Spain are shitholes.

>>102354
>We can't afford to police the world, so we need to give that up for starters. If the rest of the world wants peace, somebody else needs to start chipping in a fair share.
lolwut. No offense, but do you seriously believe that the US has ever done the world a favor with its aggressive wars? At least any time after WWII? And do you really believe your elites want to stop that? They'd rather cut social services before cutting your bloated war budget.

The world is fine without more heroic wars like Iraq.

>>102359
>Hey, remember when the wikileaks revealed European banks were far more corrupt than even our shitty banks here in America?
Doesn't have anything to do with social security and welfare states.

>Blaming conservatives is fucking retarded when it was the conservatives who kept the western world so fucking rich over the shitty side of the east.
Hahaha. Conservatives have been trying to fuck over the middle class for decades now. No thanks. They are responsible for the deregulation that led to the crisis in the first place.
Perhaps, in some remote country, there are still conservatives that actually deserve that name. But there are none to be found anywhere in the western world.

lol @ euroderps

>>101940
>>abortion begins at conception

>>102381
>That's the only case under which a welfare state can somewhat work
Nice argument. It's true because you say so or what?
Welfare also works fairly well in Germany, a rather big country. And it would even work in the US if corporations didn't corrupt your government.

Would you like to live with your mom and have her buy you clothes, gas and food for the rest of your life, or would you rather move out and assume responsibility for yourself?

The governments around the world can't pay for all the things they promise their citizens. Have fun when your mom goes bankrupt and you have no means of taking care of yourself.

Many people like >>102241 seriously believe that the dream will never end. They think we can borrow money forever to finance living above our means. What happens when it becomes evident that we can never pay the money back?

>>102403
I bet the only perception of France you have is the Eiffel tower and a bunch of cathedrals. But beyond the city centre of Paris, French cities look worse than Soviet ones.

>>102395
The collapse was a result of unbridled capitalism, and a severe lack of regulation, not socialism. I mean seriously, like...

>2011
>not knowing the basics of how the recession started

But you're right about bailouts not being a conservative action, but even most liberals don't agree with that aspect of intervention.

So even bailouts are less of a knock against socialism, as bailouts can be avoided, and more of a testament to the retardation of political leaders who orgasm at the thought of capitalism one night, but bail out the mega rich the next.

>>102395
>they think that's how capitalism works instead of letting them fall naturally without state or federal intervention
Letting them fall would cause a lot of pain and would do huge damage to the economy.

And of course the bailouts were conservative, or rather radical market liberal, actions. A proper government that wants to protect the wealth of its people would simply have nationalized the banks while bailing them out.

>>102229
Debt as a % of GDP is stupid. One is an amount, one is a rate. It isn't evnen a proper percentage (which would have no units) it has dimensions of time, which make no sense for the role you morons try to make it fit.

>>102431
Yeah, subsidizing the irresponsible breeding of Turkish savages is soooo prosperous and progressive!

>>102426
Keep it classy, America.
:)

>>102441

>beyond the city centre of Paris, French cities look worse than Soviet ones.


8/10, someone will bite.

>>102455
Well, I figured you had no idea what you are talking about. What can you expect from a simple minded conservative anyway.

>>102431
>welfare works in Germany

Germany is the China of Europe. You dumbasses make everything and you have dumbasses you absorbed from the eastern side but it's already beginning to fail.

Keep up work in those factories, you stupid slaves. Made in Germany is shit.

>>102408
Um, you're preaching to the choir. The fact is, however, that U.S. "policing" of the world involves much more than our less popular military engagements. While our "wars," military ops, or whatever in the ME have been a financial disaster for us (not to mention a foreign relations nightmare), I'm including our countless foreign bases and costly Intel programs in this. My comments should by no means be construed as support for invasions in Iraq, Pakistan, etc.

>>102478
I'll be honest, I nearly bit.

I had pictures of Bourdeaux and Marseilles lined the fuck up.