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    27 KB Anonymous 05/04/10(Tue)13:29 No.800965  
    Real talented photographers do not use software to clean up their mistakes in composition, shot choosing and initial camera settings.
    This is a lazy, practice which is killing the art of picture taking and turning it into nothing more than a starting point for the hours of digital manipulation that takes place to make it an interesting image.

    If you can't show a picture to others or submit it to magazines, a gallery, your peers or your photography instructor without extensive digital trickery, you're a bad photographer and need to go back to the basics. Buy a cheap, used 35 mm film camera and learn the hard way, the old school way, the GOOD way, to take quality images without laziness and cheating.

    Now some fag is gonna say that Ansel Adams and other masters of film used dark room techniques to enrich colors and hues. This is NOTHING compared to complete reworking of subjects, backgrounds, focal points, basic coloration and distortions of reality that take place in photoshop.
    >> Anonymous 05/04/10(Tue)13:32 No.800980
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    pic related. my non photoshop makeup artist did some amazing shit
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    >> Anonymous 05/04/10(Tue)13:37 No.800982
    >>800980
    I NO RITE
    i never use photoshop
    >use gimp instead
    >> NatureBroAtSchool !se3A3TwzdY 05/04/10(Tue)13:37 No.800984
    Troll of the port bow sir!

    MAN THE HARPOONS SHE BE FAT AND READY FOR THE KILL
    >> Anonymous 05/04/10(Tue)13:38 No.800985
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    pic related
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    >> Anonymous 05/04/10(Tue)13:38 No.800986
    >killing the art of picture taking
    >art of picture taking
    >picture taking
    >> Anonymous 05/04/10(Tue)13:40 No.800987
    -9001/10
    >> Anonymous 05/04/10(Tue)13:40 No.800989
    >>800965
    >distortions of reality
    >a camera lens bends light
    >> Anonymous 05/04/10(Tue)13:49 No.800998
    >>800989
    >I have no idea how a camera works or the way light behaves.
    >> Anonymous 05/04/10(Tue)13:50 No.800999
    >>800998

    >i have no idea that vision is a subjective perception created in the brain and has no bearing on reality
    >> Anonymous 05/04/10(Tue)13:52 No.801001
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    >>800998
    >>800989
    >>800986
    >>800982
    >> Anonymous 05/04/10(Tue)13:54 No.801002
    >>800965
    OMG I SO AGREE WITH YOU

    IF YOU USE DIGITAL YOU ARE TOTALLY NOT A PHOTOGRAPHER CUZ YOU CAN JUST KEEP SHOOTING TILL YOU GET THE RIGHT EXPOSURE, SEE ME IM A FILM USER THAT MAKES ME BETTER THAN YOU CUZ I TRY HARDER TO GET IT RIGHT THE FIRST TIME AND I DONT NEED THAT PHOTOSHOP STUFF, STRAIGHT OUT OF CAMERA IS WHAT REALLY MATTERS
    >> Anonymous 05/04/10(Tue)13:54 No.801003
    >>800999
    >I'm an idiot who's smoked myself retarded with cheap weed.
    >> Anonymous 05/04/10(Tue)13:55 No.801004
    A talented photographer will have to do little to no PP.
    An artist will take a photo and make it into a vision of art that cannot be obtained with any amount photographers skills.

    They are two different things. It's like asking "what is better baseball or soccer?"

    /thread
    >> Anonymous 05/04/10(Tue)13:55 No.801005
    >>801002
    apart from the obnoxious capslock, you're absolutely correct.
    >> Anonymous 05/04/10(Tue)13:58 No.801006
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    >>801003
    >i lost my argument so i'm just going to be a faggot
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    >> Anonymous 05/04/10(Tue)13:58 No.801007
    >>801004
    It IS two different things but that doesn't mean they can't be compared. If sports are designed to be epic battles with high scores and group efforts, baseball is tremendously better than soccer. In any other way you measure it it's still true.

    In the same vein, being a photographer is more difficult and rewarding than being a digital artist, which is what most of you are. when you spend hours upon hours on your computer tweaking little bullshit you didn't have the capacity or skill to capture in the first place, you cease being a photographer and become a digital artist which are a dime a dozen. Go take a look at deviant art. Notice the number of "talented" digital artists? Theres tens of thousands of them. Notice the number of talented natural photographers who don't make everything appear post-apocalyptic? Maybe a handful on the entire site.
    >> Anonymous 05/04/10(Tue)14:01 No.801009
    >>801007
    >baseball is tremendously better than soccer
    myfacewhenevenamericansdon'tcareaboutbaseball.jpg
    >> Anonymous 05/04/10(Tue)14:03 No.801010
    >>801006
    fuck you, i just had a final exam on this shit.
    >> Anonymous 05/04/10(Tue)14:04 No.801011
    Yeah! This is why pro photographers never do any work in the darkroom, they just bring their film to Walgreens!
    >> Anonymous 05/04/10(Tue)14:38 No.801047
    IN CASE YOU DIDNT NOTICE FAG IT TAKES A LOT OF TALENT TO KNOW HOW TO USE PHOTOSHOP TO IMPROVE (AN ALREADY GREAT) IMAGE, JACKASS. LET'S SEE YOU USE PHOTOSHOP TO MAKE SOMETHING COOL. YOU COULDN'T DO IT IF I GAVE YOU ETERNITY TO TRY.
    >> mindless !!9z23VPHrCcB 05/04/10(Tue)14:49 No.801057
    in during?
    >> sage sage 05/04/10(Tue)14:55 No.801064
    sage goes in every field
    >> Anonymous 05/04/10(Tue)15:01 No.801079
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    >>800965
    my face when i realized op was serious.
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    >> Anonymous 05/04/10(Tue)15:10 No.801091
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    >>800965

    >This is NOTHING compared to complete reworking of subjects, backgrounds, focal points, basic coloration and distortions of reality that take place in photoshop.

    And that is NOTHING compared to the total distortion that happens when you slice a wordless, soundless, two-dimensional rectangle out of 1/125th of the natural, social, psychological world. Tell me, what's going on in the attached picture?

    Also, remember Picasso: "Art is a lie that makes us realize truth." What matters isn't that a photograph is of the exact facts- what matters is that it corresponds in a meaningful way to the world, that it has the texture of some facet of human experience of the world, and that what it's getting at is true.
    >> Anonymous 05/04/10(Tue)15:11 No.801094
    >>801091

    You're right that more effort, and more concrete effort, benefits artworks. It usually yields better results. But however the result happens, it doesn't invalidate what the result is. Take the case of the filmmaker Werner Herzog, who regularly outright fakes shit (ala Ryszard Kapuściński or Dr. Hunter S. Thompson) in his documentaries, because "ecstatic truth... can be reached only through fabrication and imagination and stylization," but who hauled an actual steamship over a mountain, but who CGI'd aircraft for his film "Rescue Dawn," and does DIs like everyone else. A better, and more explicit, recent example would be the way digital processing was used on Michael Haneke's "Das Weisse Band:" the film was shot with color film, with next to no artificial lighting, for a more natural look, and was put in the DI into black and white and whenever there wasn't enough light somewhere, they selectively added to it. It's one of the most visually convincing movies of the past few years, maybe the most. And in the service of its realism, a triple distortion was used: first, the two-dimensionalism virtually all films use, second, the lack of color, and third, the creation of light on a computer, the removal of objects that make it look like 2009 and not 1914, etc. Could a lot of that be done photochemically? Yes, but like you're pointing out, it's more extensive. And good for it.

    We're now wholly unencumbered with what we can do with our images. People are reacting poorly to that, but give it time. We'll come up with new images, new ways of doing stuff, as soon as we A) unbind ourselves from the aesthetic norms created by the limitations of film, and B) lose this puerile infatuation some photographers have developed with videogame imagery and return back to the world. And we'll lie evermore and evermore honestly- just like we've been lying totally since the first photographs.
    >> DeadPicsL !L5mmGilPic 05/04/10(Tue)15:18 No.801101
    >>801004
    Baseball
    >> Anonymous 05/04/10(Tue)16:59 No.801258
    >>801047
    Photoshop is designed to be relatively easy to navigate the basic functions of. Yeah you won't be amazing right off the bat but cloning, removing objects, moving them in the image, adding object can all be figured out within an hour.
    That's the problem. It's easier to just make your image look decent in photoshop than it is to make it decent at the lens. Todays photographers are extremely lazy and untalented as they don't have to work hard or work on their craft. The photo can suck ass and be fixed with enough time in photoshop.

    My point still stands that there's probably only one or two people on here who actually enjoy PHOTOGRAPHY. Not post processing, not editing, not reworking, the actual art of scouting out a good picture and timing and taking it perfectly.
    >> Anonymous 05/04/10(Tue)17:10 No.801266
    Photoshop is just another tool, nothing more. The use of it no matter how extensive neither makes nor breaks the photo. A bad photo will still be a bad photo regardless of how much work is put into it.
    >> Anonymous 05/04/10(Tue)17:12 No.801269
    OP in ten years time if even that a 10 year old will be able to create any kind of picture he/she wants with photo shoop so get use to it
    >> Anonymous 05/04/10(Tue)17:32 No.801283
    >>801266
    You haven't seen what photoshop can do. It absolutely CAN transform an uninteresting or bad photo into a visually dazzling spectacle.
    It's dishonest to the viewer and to the craft itself.

    I hope one day they will ban it completely from photo competitions and photography schools.
    >> Anonymous 05/04/10(Tue)17:58 No.801303
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    >> Anonymous 05/04/10(Tue)18:00 No.801306
    >>801283
    I have seen what photoshop can do. I use it professionally. No, it cannot transform shit into 'a visually dazzling spectacle' without it being obvious to the trained eye. It's use is not allowed at the university that I attended in the photo classes BEYOND extremely basic alterations to brightness/contrast, color balance, etc. It is also not allowed in any photo contest I have ever participated in.

    I don't personally have a problem with it. What is art if strict rules are imposed on it? Fuck all boring, that's what.
    >> Anonymous 05/04/10(Tue)18:38 No.801348
    >>801283
    >It absolutely CAN transform an uninteresting or bad photo into a visually dazzling spectacle.
    This is a bad thing why?
    Literal fact is supposedly honest why?
    >> Anonymous 05/04/10(Tue)18:40 No.801350
    Ya'll niggers got trolled hard.



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