Video here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5rXPrfnU3G0&feature=player_embedded#

fucking bastards

hahahaha, oh man

I wonder how many of the surviving civilians they shot went on to BECOME insurgents. If I lived there I would be trying to blow up every US troop I saw, too.

One of my buddies that just got back from Afghanistan said that it was hard to find a captured insurgent there now that wasn't just a civilian before, and become a combatant simply because his family members were gunned down at a roadblock or something by trigger happy US troops that see EVERYONE as a target.
We are making far more terrorists this way than Al Qaeda ever could have dreamt of doing on their own.

faggots

>>760854
Yeah, pretty much this.

We are making more enemies than friends.

OHHHH MY GOD

This is better than Modern Warfare 2. HOLY SHIT NEED MOAR VIEOS LIKE THIS!!!!

What is disgusting is that they seem to be amused looking at the dead bodies..

>>760874
It's understandable. They see it every day and they're so far removed from it that it might as well be a video game.

"Come on let us shoot!"

"FUCK"

Man the pilots sure are enjoying themselves in the air....

This shit is horrible and shouldn't have happened but it's hard to blame the soldiers. They didn't know who they were shooting at and it to be honest no one here would have been able to say for certain what was going on in that video if it were shown out of context. The big camera looks like it could be an RPG on that crappy video. The soldiers have to treat everyone as potential hostiles because they easily could be that.

It's our presence in the middle east that is to blame. Shit like this is a consequence of us being there and it's going to keep happening until we leave.

We should have either blown the whole fucking place up or never gone there in the first place.

this is some sad shit

shit just went down.
ima like this video just a little bit.
although, you can tell it was a fucking camera not an RPG or AK. you fucking yanks need to sort it.

>>77411682

>>760900

Camera, faggot.

Fucking disgusting. No matter how much hatred you have the opposing side you should always show a modicum of decency towards the dead.

Particularly if you fucking killed them.

>>760901
You're full of shit. Britfag. There is no way to tell at this point whether he's holding a camera, an RPG or a fucking computer tower. You must consider the context.

>>760907
>someone who doesn't know what it is to hate

>>760908
you need to put an rpg on your shoulder bro

>>760915
Since you have no imagination, I'll illustrate it for you.

>>760922

lol wtf is this shit

>>760908

>There is no way to tell at this point whether he's holding a camera, an RPG or a fucking computer tower

Surely thats reason enough not to fire.

In all honesty its 50/50 whether or not i would of chosen to engage in that situation. I would of probably of sent ground troops/armor recon to engage first.

>>760924
One of the many possible things that could be behind that wall.

>>760927
Normally, yeah that's reason enough to sit back and wait until you know for sure. You have to think of what's going on in the mind of the guy in the chopper though. There's a 50/50 chance that guy on the ground is getting his RPG ready to shoot at you. Not saying what they did was the right, just that they probably felt they had no choice at this point.

>>760928

isn't zalgo behind the wall?

as they first spot the group walking, there is clearly noone holding an rpg. there are maybe 3 people with ak's, but most of them aren't.. if they were about to shoot down a us helicopter, they wouldn't be walking around so nonchalant, in a big fucking cluster of a group.. these guys were just chillin out max and relaxin' all cool..

>>760941
That's really the only thing that indicates they're benign.

>>760941

...playing with their AKs outside of a mosque, when a couple of guys, who were up to no good, started makin' mince meat of ma' neighbourhood.

I got in one little scandal, and ma mom got wary, "CNN wont show that shit, cos that shits too hairy"

>>760908
hur dur.
you can see it on his shoulder before he is behind the wall. Plus get the fuck out for being such a faggot.

>>760922
hurr durr, helicopter was circling around the block but the pilot has to imagine what's behind the wall from your screenshot

>>760854
wat what exactly are insurgents before they are insurgents if they are no civilians.

To all those saying they couldn't really tell;

It wasn't a battlefield, it was a neighborhood. The country has many tens of millions of people, and an estimated several hundred hundred to few thousand active insurgents.

Assuming anyone on the street is a valid target in that situation isn't just stupid, its actively criminal.
That wasn't the only action that day, other groups were fired upon, they apparently just fired upon any group of more than a few people. Then fired on any responders to the wounded.

There were terrorists there that day, they were just in helicopters.

>>760988

lrn2readingcomprehension

Any civilian will become an insurgent if you shoot enough of their family members.
Which in our eyes, justifies shooting more of them. You know, so they can't become insurgents.

>>760914
Wrong.

You hate the guy that raped and killed your ma, or the guy that murdered your son.

You don't universally hate every Iraqi enough to laugh at their dead or dying corpse unless you have something wrong with you, or you know for a 100% fact that they are Taliban scum. Neither is the case here. This is just a quiet street with a few guys walking about minding their own business.

>>760990
Absolutely right.

'Fuck it, we're in a fucking gunship, lets just kill anyone that might not like us'

The hardcore equivalent of a keyboard warrior.

>>760996 Wrong.

no, "right".

you can calmly reason all you want, but hate precludes reason.

you don't know what hate is. try hating something sometime, and you'll see how far your logic gets you.

I fail to see how these people looked threatening in any way. They were walking nonchalantly around while a helicopter was within hearing and visual distance, they even mulling around in a cozy group when the helicopter opened fire.

What combatants huddle up in broad view of a helicopter gunship?

>>761007
the apache wasnt very close

>>761003
I'm not disagreeing with that, in fact I agree wholeheartedly.

What I am disagreeing with how can these trigger happy motherfuckers universally hate these people that much without knowing who they are or whether they're even a threat?

I don't call that hate, I call it a lack of humanity.

17 minute long video? you've got to be fucking kidding me.
I'm gonna watch it, then read the replies and then force my opinion upon you because you are all wrong

lol, going into a war zone with a huge barreled camera and hide behind walls, the pop out of the corner and aim at the choppers.
that's smart.

Saeed should have just called an amberlamps

It's unfortunate, but shit like this happens in virtually every war. Off the top of my head, I remember it happened to two photographers in the war in Abkhazia a few years back, to a videographer in either Gaza or the West Bank a few years back, and to an Italian print journalist in Iraq maybe a year or two after the invasion. I'm sure there's other examples.

>>760907
Civilians? Yeah, definitely. Anyone with any humanity would feel guilty about shooting a civilian.

If it actually was a member of the Taliban? No, I don't think one ought to feel bad about having shot someone fighting to reestablish a totalitarian theocracy, who is also not incidentally about to kill you.

>universally hate these people that much without knowing who they are or whether they're even a threat?

I'm not going to bother watching the video right now (running too many programs for it to go well), but if they were still under the impression that they were Taliban, then still. No one reacts on "knowing for sure" in a warzone; that's why shit like this happens. It's lamentable and ought to be minimized, but it's impossible to get rid of. You've got hundreds of thousands of armed people running around a small area, shooting at each other, all of them on edge for their lives especially in a firefight, people are going to fuck up. I don't even want to imagine the number of people killed wholly accidentally in all the 1930s-1940s wars, and add to that the deliberate heavy bombing of civilians areas (which ought not to have happened, don't get me wrong), but almost no one bitches about China, Spain, and Poland ought to be left to their own devices and how the Republicans and Allied soldiers were such monsters.

>>761106
>I'm not going to bother watching the video right now

we'll wait for you to watch the video

USA
US marines
army

these 3 types of faggots are trying WAY to hard(to be cool guys from call of duty).

>>761230
trying way *too* hard. lrn2english

>>761230
plz lrn2english when speaking on an English board. also no one cares what you think.

>>761238
>>761234
mad amerifags detected.

It makes sense. If the pen is mightier than the sword and a picture is worth 1000 words, that lens is roughly equal to an rpg or a missile.

"COME ON LET US SHOOT"

I kinda undestand why they did it. I mean If I was a soldier down there I would shoot anyone carring a gun-looking-thing.

Still feel kinda sad for those photographers tho. Feels bad man.

This look like an RPG to you?

Poor bastards. Americans just seem too trigger happy. If they'd waited to do another pass, they might have seen what was going on.
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in this video, armchair warrior just went professional

>>761245

do these people have no honour? firing on a minivan that was just picking up bodies. i didnt see any weapons.

amurika - this is why everybody hates you

i say GOOD SHOOTING BOYS! KEEP THE GOOD WORK

>>761245
TOO DEEP, BRO
/manly tears

Was it confirmed if the AKs really were AKs? Could have been tripods from the looks of it.

It's important to contextualize:

What the video doesn't mention is that those Apaches were supporting a NATO convoy that was engaged in a firefight a few blocks away. They received intelligence that there more more insurgents in that courtyard providing weapons to the militants attacking the convoy.

Under that pretense and considering that they were carrying guns and the camera was easily mistakable as an RPG, it's very understandable what happened.

To those who say they should have sent the ground troops in, the entire point of air superiority is that you can keep the ground troops safe. Not to mention that if it really was an RPG, it could have theoretically torn through the convoy's lead Bradley and caused NATO casualties.

It's a shame what happened to those photographers, but they knew the risks of what they were doing. The pilots did their job. And like any doctor or nurse in a domestic hospital, they're hangman's humor comes from repeated exposure to this stuff that has inevitably jaded them over time.

I don't entirely get why they fired on the van though, I admit.

sick bastards

how many other journalists have been kidnapped and beheaded? fucking moralfags.

>>761391

Insurgents will quickly take away their dead to make it look like the Americans completely missed. Also to prevent their own injured comrades from being captured and interrogated

>>761394
Exactly, that's the irritating thing: the moral myopia of so many people who get disillusioned with whatever but never get past kneejerk rejectionism of anything America (and Israel) do, while ignoring or excusing anything anyone at all who opposes them does, and not bothering at all to analyze the broad situation on a sound set of political principles. Usually because they still can't be assed to give a shit what happens to, say, Afghanistan.

>>761403
cryptojew detected

For those who are really, really good at watching videos... does he appear to aim the camera/rpg at the helicopter just before he disappears from view? It kind of looked like that...

Also, what is going on with firing on the van? He says they could be picking up bodies and weapons- I guess picking up weapons is potentially justification... But when asking for permission, he seems to only mention picking up bodies- and still gets permission.

Looked to me like he was holding a purse

"At least one of them had an AK-47. Running around a war zone with an AK-47 or a guy with one is not a wise idea, no wonder they got gunned away."

On the other hand... if you're in the middle of a war zone, having a weapon handy might be a smart move. And aren't rifles legal there?

>>761413
yes, he pops out and aims at the chopper,
and right then he goes "He's gonna shoot"

>>761422
IIRC, one rifle per household is.

>>761413
guy totally did not aim at the helicopter
if he wanted to shoot (photos) of the helicopter he woulda done it before the helicopter circled around the building, duh

also, the argument that the helicopter felt threatened by an rpg is total bullshit, you can't expect to hit a flying helicopter with an rpg
if it was a sam, it sure can't be fired from around the corner at arms length with just your head poking out either

picture related

so what lens was he carrying around? anyone know?

>>761431

well two of us thought he did.
you lose

>>761435
democracy > facts

>>761438

that's right, and if you disagree watch the video and see who's hanging on the cross, and whos shooting you with a machine gun

>>761422
>having a weapon handy might be a smart move
lolno as an iraqi vet let me tell you that if i saw a haaj walking around with a rifle it would be game over.

if the guy above is right that there was a firefight a few blocks over than fuck those guys that got shot. they are fucking stupid and deserved it. you don't go running to a fight in the middle of the night and not expect to get gunned down. i'm not gonna stop and talk to you when my buddies life is on the line.

"lolno as an iraqi vet let me tell you that if i saw a haaj walking around with a rifle it would be game over."

Sounds like a shot if you do, shot if you don't kind of situation.

>>761445
also its called a curfew. you see anyone else dumb enough to be walking around against curfew in the middle of the night?

>>761450
this was not a random group of iraqis walking around in the middle of the day that were gunned down. there was obviously a mission going on which is why the air support is already linked up with the brads. i don't know the whole story but at this point if you are going to say that these people were brutally murdered in cold blood you are a fucking moron. i am thinking they are idiots that thought that the press was going to shield them.

"also its called a curfew. you see anyone else dumb enough to be walking around against curfew in the middle of the night?"

Pretty sure it's the middle of the morning- around 10am local time. And yeah, I think at least one woman appears in the video.

>>761456
no shit there was a mission going on
hurr, the press sends war photographers take candid protraits of random people in the street with small leicas, yeah

>>761450
>Sounds like a shot if you do, shot if you don't kind of situation.

Thats alright, because since they aren't Christian they aren't really people, and so have no right to be in our territory and are probably better off dead anyway than living like the godless animals they were.

At least, thats what they teach us in church.

/p/ - couch potatoes critique warriors

>>761466
well if you aren't embeded with the military you are certainly taking your chances aren't you?

>>761419
That explains why they shot him then.

"FUCKING TRANNY FAGGOT EYE-RACKIE"
"LET ME SHOOT!"

>>761480
fox news, epitome of journalistic excellence

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jesus christ /p/

/p/ -20 year old hipsters and neckbeards pretend they are experts on war

take this bullshit to /new/

Guys who are experts on war (if there are any): why shoot on the vehicle picking up bodies?

>>761501

because
never drive a minivan, son

>>761501
the guy who's an expert on war is in the apache
he decided that they were terrorists, so you shut your whore mouth and enjoy your freedom

>>761501
so lets say you are fighting some nazis. and lets say you shoot some nazis. then lets say some other nazis decide to show up and drag the first group of nazis away and salvage their weapons. what do you do?

a full 50 seconds after they say he was shooting at them

>>761503
>>761503
>>761503

*bongo

honestly what you expect from an army that shoots it self and flys it's helicopters into each other on a regular bais

3:40-3:50 you can clearly see weapons.

you can clearly see weapons of mass destruction

>>761504

No, the 18 y.o. with three weeks of basic training is in the Apache.
Most likely a none-too-bright, violent, ill-educated, racist, dominionist christian 18 yo at that, just based on the basic demographics of the folks signing up for this nowadays.

>>761530

>>761532

yes, but truth nonetheless.

>>761534

Look everyone, the truth has been posted on /p/

>>761530
I can fly an Apache with only three weeks of basic training....FUCK IT I'M SIGNING UP.

>>761537
no
so... this is america's brightess?

I have landed safely
I have not received my papers
I have zero natural enemies
I don't know my location
I have no training in reconnaissance, combat or colluding
I'm calling for my orders, over
STRAP ON A HELMET AND START SHOOTING!

You need a BA to fly anything in the military. You're just as uneducated as you assume that guy to be.

i find it hard to belive the army lets some 18 year old fag fly muti million dollar heli with out a fully trained combat harden partner

>>761537

pilot != door gunner shmuck != keyboard jockey 'weapons specialist'

>>761546
>>761548

refer to;
>>761550

Why is everyone so upset? It not like they were white or anything.

>>761554
it's not like we are white or anything

>>761555

Then who let you on the internets?

>>761544
I was standing at attention with a pocket full of weapons
And the will to walk a mile in the same fatigues that I slept in
I have yet to find a day in life worthy of my saluting
I'm calling for my orders, over
STRAP ON A HELMET AND START SHOOTING!

This is what street photographers get for not asking if it's ok to take their picture.

BIG TELE IN A WAR ZONE

war zones dont need paparazzi

GET CLOSER OR DIE

>>761735
>>761566
Yeah sure. We should totally rely on the Military to tell us what they're up to over there. It's not like they are going to lie to us regularly.

>>761752
>implying that was implied

>>761544
>>761560
Aesop Rock

>>761735
>GET CLOSER AND DIE

>>761752
Oh come on now. This is where shit gets annoying.

Of fucking course the state, the military, is going to lie off their ass anytime it suits them. Accept it, expect to be lied to, and stop giving a shit when it happens so you don't get into one of these moralistic, apolitical shitfits.

They lied to you. They lied to you before, they're going to keep lying to you, they're going to do it again and again and again. And you know what? Once you accept that, and accept what they're lying about has no political relevance, you can look at the situation independent of everything but it itself and your first principles and continue to make calls on what ought to happen instead of getting caught up ticking off the virtue scoreboard.

Let's take the archtypal US-government-lying-to-further-a-desire-for-war incident, Tonkin Gulf. Imagine at the time a member of congress, or an influential public intellectual, had deliberately taken the Johnson administration at face value and said, "okay, the North Vietnamese Navy attacked an American warship. So what? I don't give a fuck, it was nothing that alters the fundamental political situation in Vietnam. The question remains what it always has been: ought we to be propping up one dictator against another to tick off China?" The question of whether the "attack" took place or not becomes irrelevent; one's answer to that question would remain the same then in 1964 even if the deception were revealed the very next day after the question were answered. Why? Because the fundamentals are the same.

>>761780
The same thing is true here: whatever the truth of the situation that happened that day, from US troops engaged in wanton and deliberate murder of a civilian crowd to they fucked up in the worst way imaginable to the cameras were actually Q-gadget RPG launchers to the whole incident never took place at all and this was fabricated on a soundstage- it doesn't change the fundamentals of anything. It's not worth paying any attention to. If you take the isolationist, no-foreign-wars, don't-sacrifice-our-boys-for-dem-towelheads approach, you'd still support an immediate withdrawal, as do you if you're someone who insists on viewing all political developments through the narrow lens of third-worldist anti-imperialism. If you're one of those America's-security-concerned realpolitik types, you'd continue your support of whatever you thought would work towards that. If you're an interventionist, whether from the get-go or as a result of real developments (namely, the invasion and ensuing civil war), you'd support the continued presence of American troops to forestall the negative outcome you believe would come from their withdrawal, unless you actually believe the Iraqi state could sustain itself and provide security for its citizens without American help at this point.

>>761781
And, not incidentally, you know *why* they lie in cases like this? Because of people like you who whine off about anything bad happening when it involves their noble homeland Murrika not being so noble, but don't raise a single thought to the daily atrocities by, say, the LRA that make this look like a fucking massage. Should they lie? No, but they do it in this sort of situation because of shit like this thread.

And seriously, from 2003 to today, has anyone ever thought that shit like this- whatever sort of shit this was- wasn't happening? Where did anyone of that sort think the civilian bodycount numbers were coming from?

TL;DR this changes nothing, no matter what your political ideology and opinion on the Iraq War, unless you've been deluding yourself this whole time, in which case I'm sorry for you.

i dont say it doesnt happen usually and many people overact here, but i say the character of these americans in the video pisses me the fuck off.
how they act like theyre heroes, how they feel like theyre the cool guise, how they STILL FUCKING SHOOT WHEN THEYRE DEAD ALREADY!!!

fuck, usa you got a so fucking incompetent military there.

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>>761835
fuck, i meant
STILL FUCKING SHOOT WHEN THEIR TARGETS DEAD ALREADY!!!

>>761835

You know how I know I am OCD?

The missing coffin bothers me.

>>761849
it's a better composition that way

>>761835
i loved that bit along the lines of "well, it's their fault for bringing their kids to a firefight" referring to the children in the van who were wounded.

Fuck. I actually felt quesy watching that.

Those are the most relaxed turrurist I've ever fucking seen. I would love to see the fucking explanation from the fucking about this. "Uh, they ran when we shot them, so they're terrorists. I mean, only terrorists runs when it rains hot molten lead from the sky."

Fuck man, you can even see that they fucking chubby from that video. Fuck. A bunch of fat dudes walking around (in the middle of the street, not taking cover).

Fucking hell.

I knew this would last about 5 minutes of honest disgust and sadness until /p/ turned it into a meme.

That's just how /p/&/b/ lurkers deal with this kind of thing, I guess.