Enjoy changing your settings every time you take a photo with the optical viewfinder

Oh god no, I fucking hate touchscreens on cameras.

I think you have never used a DSLR if you believe that's a good idea.

I have enough problems inadvertently turning off my camera already, so a touch screen changing settings would be annoying and what about when you're wearing gloves? I can change every setting while looking through the viewfinder because the buttons are close to my fingers, not mashed up against my nose.

Maybe it would be nice in the custom menus, but considering that there is a nice computer based interface for that and how often do you need to change them anyway?

I wish there was a camera body that could be semi-altered like this mouse here, so you can shape it to be comfortable, or add/remove some pieces as needed. And somehow still be weather-proof and rugged.

... except it's probably get a shitty sensor with it, just like the mouse too.

>>1508266
Make a camera entirely of strong, yet soft malleable stuff, except the parts that actually need to be solid, like the electronics and mounts.
Perfect ergonomics every time.

p.s.
The R.A.T. mouse is bad? Source, I want to rub it in my friend's face (Fuck him, making fun of me for using a wireless keyboard and mouse for my desktop computer and pointing out how I'll rarely need to type or click from a distance)

LCD screens are battery drains. One thing that DSLRs do right is make (almost) all the controls available at your fingertips and displayable on a black-and-green screen (what do you call those digital watch grade displays) that drains about as much power as the battery would lose by just sitting in a drawer.

I wouldn't mind touchscreen control for the quick-menu, it'd be a lot faster than scrolling through the settings with the joystick and scroll wheels.

Press the Q button, tap the setting you want to change, set it to what you want, press Q again and the screen turns off.

>>1508273
Google "twineye issue". IIRC those RAT mice have the twineye sensor on them, and suffers from the same Z-axis issue. Maybe it's fixed with drivers by now, but unlikely.

My dad bought a Nikon P&S with a touchscreen with minimal physical buttons.

Using it made me want to punch babies and kick puppies.

LOL NOPE

Fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu

No touchscreen on my Kwanon
NO!

That is Sony stuff. But you won't be able to use a universal finger. There will be a proprietary finger sheath you have to wear.

Touchscreens can be nice. Going from my experience with phones, my iPhone was pretty awesome. Always responsive and minimal bugs. By comparison, ever since I got my Android (underpowered Casio phone), I've only experienced frustration. Buttons don't register, apps are slow to respond to input so you often press a button twice by accident, even the keyboard lags. But, as >>1508274 said, touch screens are a major battery drain. Cameras don't even have that many functions that you should need a touch screen to minimize your interface like that.

>>1508390
So you bought a cheap android phone and you are complaining?

HURR DURR MY SKODA SUCKS COMPARED TO MY S-CLASS.

>>1508238
that's a fucking terrible idea. touchscreens are a shit input device.

Protip: The more tactile, well to reach and easily memorable buttons, the better.
I want to change shutter speed, aperture, ISO, flash mode etc. without taking my eyes off the viewfinder.

>>1508394
>not addressing the point he raised
>thinking we won't notice

I hate touchscreens, they're inaccurate, slow, laggy, and don't belong on a DSLR, they have perfectly good screens with just the right amount of info and buttons.

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In a point&shit a touchscreen is a passable way of interaction, those are usually marketed for people who can appreciate them. But heavens and hells no, never in a proper dslr. I just shot a few pixels in a freezing -25 centigrade nordic winter, and my trusty old D70 worked like a charm. But, it's too cold to take your gloves off every time you have to make adjustments. Also, LCDs become very sluggish in cold, that would also be very bad issue among others. Touchscreen would frustrate more serious users to no end.

www.phaseone.com

Using a touchscreen for everything is retarded, but I've used the Olympus E-P3, and it uses a touchscreen just for quickly picking where you want the camera to auto-focus, or auto-focus + snap the picture.

It works pretty well.

>>1508426
NOPE NOPE NOPE

while I love futuristic organic designs cameras should have a simple geometric blocky design and not like the ergonomic turds that are the dslrs nowadays

Touchscreens are for people without any real interest in photography who just want to take decent quality pictures of people and places in their lives and have money to burn while pretending to half-ass an investment in the actual artistic process. This is perfectly fine, for people so inclined, but touchscreen controls are clearly not the same caliber as traditional ones, with fewer applications, limited abilities, and lower speed. Buttons and dials are, and for a long time will be, what amateur, aspiring, and pro photographers use. Touchscreens have developed into a decent feature for consumer point and shoots, nothing more. That is all.

>>1508459
E-P3 can also use the touchscreen to move around and zoom in playback mode. It works like shit though

Touchscreens are actually great on cameras you're going to shoot Live View all the time. I recently got a GF2, and expected to hate the screen, but I really like the fact that they've managed to make a P&S-sized camera body with the ability to quickly and easily change focus points. I bought my dad a GF1 for xmas two years ago, and was comparing the two while I was in town for the holidays, and I think dealing with AF points is the biggest weakness in the GF1's handling. I also don't mind it for switching modes, menus, and the like.

But on a DSLR I don't really see the point. A touchscreen is unusable with the camera at your eye, and the camera has physical controls that are vastly superior to poking around a screen with a finger.

>>1508499
>cameras should have a simple geometric blocky design
boring.
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>>1508518
That's pretty ugly, not to mention needlessly huge for what I assume is a fully automatic point-and-shoot.

>35-105mm
>SUPER ZOOM
In retrospect, it's hilarious what passed as a "super zoom" 20 years ago.

>>1508522
That's still a relatively impressive range considering it's covering 35mm. They could probably make it a 28-105 these days but it's not a huge difference. Look how big a 24-105 f/4L is compared to that lens.

>>1508532
I looked it up
>35-105mm f/3.5-8.9
Nah, not impressive at all. And DSLR lenses with range like this have existed for decades before.

>>1508544
You mean SLR lenses, not DSLR.

Take a look at the Nikkor 35-105 3.5-4.5 from 1994 and compare the size to the one on this camera. Yes, it's much faster at the long end, but even without that it'd be much larger than what's on this Konica.

The 28-84 equivalent kit zoom I have on my GF2 is at least as large as this lens, and it only has to cover a fraction of the image area. Small sensors on digital have really spoiled us as to what's possible in terms of zoom ranges, as has modern computer technology. Remember that large-ratio lenses on digital cameras have horrible distortion, vignetting, and CA issues, and only work because the camera can correct for them and spit out a normal-looking JPEG. You can't do that with 35mm.

>>1508570
Not a valid comparison, interchangeable lenses can't be collapsed as much as fixed ones. You should compare that Konica to, say, a G1X.

>>1508581
OK, it has about the same size lens as the G1X, but the G1X incorporates 20 years of optical development, can correct itself for distortion and other optical issues, and has to project an image circle less than half the size to cover its sensor.

I'd be really interested to see what modern optics could do with a fixed 35mm zoom but I suspect it wouldn't be much better than this.

>>1508594
I think it would. Look at the progress made with small-sensor digital compacts - you can now buy a 42x zoom camera that's the size of a 10x zoom one from eight years ago. Or the progress made with SLR zooms - stuff like 18-270mm is a very recent development.

Having to operate a touchscreen for night photography would be a bowl of dicks. Destroy my night vision to change some settings, wait for it to come back, repeat. Fail. I've been using a D90/D7000 since the 90 came out, and recently had to use someone's D3100 at night and the lack of the LCD on top was epic fail for this reason. It made me just stop attempting to get the shot.

I think that >>1508257 hit the nail on the head here. The only camera that could have a dedicated touch screen with no buttons would have to be a rangefinder, simply because they're usually designed to be shot with the right eye, so you don't have your face anywhere near the back

>>1508652
Protip: You can see the settings in the viewfinder
Protip: If you shut one eye, you retain your night vision in that eye.

>>1508700
How about a proximity sensor that turns off the touchscreen when you look into the viewfinder, just like a notebook (with proper drivers) turns off the touchpad when you're typing?

>>1508713

The T1i/T2i/T3i already have it

fuck no

>>1508718
t3i doesn't have it

>>1508773
the result of that stupid flippy screen

>>1508713
Then a touch screen seems pretty feasible. However, I wouldn't enjoy it as much, I like tactile . But that's like, my opinion, man

>>1508238
OP, I am a man of words.
I am well read, and while english is not my frst tounge I do consider I manage to convey my thoughts appropietly.
I also own many dictionaries.
And yet, I am awestruck. In my 25 years of speaking, rarely have I had to express such hate towards a statement.
Your idea, or your idea of that shit being good, for that matter; make my dick burn with rage.
Your thought process is the STD that is destroying the world as we speak.

The sole thought of having a big, humongus, finger-printy, battery hoarding, fragile and cumbersome touchscreen, instead of a perfect delegation of the button master-race; and it becoming not only a trend on teen LOL-I'm-a-photog P&S and low end DSLRs, but a trend among pro gear, produces such an incredible rage, that if there was a way to tap into my consciouss mind to extract the painful hate, now with the power of ten thousand suns, the world energy crisis would not only be solved by 2013, but time would fix everything that was wrong in history.


But, hell, good for you OP, it COULD be a good idea!

>>1508827
You know that the Phase One IQ180, basically the most pro of pro cameras (yes I know it's a back and not a whole camera) in the whole world, has a touchscreen very much like the iPhone's, right?

Speaking of which, forget the touch, where the hell is my "retina" display? Why can Apple put it on their $600 phone but Nikon can't put it on my $5200 D3s or upcoming $6000 D4?

>>1508852
It's a studio camera above everything. In a camera like that, fast access to controls like ISO, aperture & shutter speed without even taking eye away from viewfinder is totally unnecessary. It's simply not made for that kind of fast on-the-go photography.

Touch screen is totally fine for a camera like that. I bet a lot of pros actually shoot it tethered with a nice big monitor. Photojournalism, "street photography", travel photography etc. is very different from fashion world with carefully planned model shoots.

>>1508918
I disagree. I've used mine for all manner of photography types, and find the touch screen interface very intuitive, and simply not limited to studio. A camera (back) like that is designed to be versatile.

I think the only thing lacking is the application of pinch to zoom function... which would be nice in a future update.

>>1508938
>Pinch to zoom
Oh god no

>I think it would be pretty cool if the entire back end of a DSLR was just one big touchscreen

rig your iPhone.
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We need to be able to set the camera setting using our brains without the need to touch anything. Full time manual to get that perfect shot every time? NO PROBLEM.

>>1508950
Why use manual? You'd need to independently think of the variables. Fucking meter off whatever you want and use AV or TV

>>1508938
photo proof of ownership or fag

on topic touch screen back would be a horrendous annoyance

>>1509011
It's not like I'm the only one here with MFD.

>>1509024
...you probably suck is what we're getting at

>>1509024
Yes, you are. You're the Ausfag who found it lying around in a bag, took it home, put it under your bed, forgot about it, then rediscovered it again, amrite?

>>1508938
The IQ180 actually does have pinch to zoom, but whatever, I guess you just forgot to read the manual...

haha, liar.

>>1509027
no that was me

Nah, then it'd be too much of a digital device and less of a camera.

Lots of unnecessary hostility here... I know it's 4chan.

>>1509011
As requested.

>>1509033
I have, and I think you'll find it doesn't mention pinch zoom anywhere.
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>>1509130
xd totally pwnage!!!1!!

oh wait ur the one who doesn't even know how it works, lol

>>1509130
>Phase One system
>dirty as fuck screen
>ugly looking system to begin with
Significantly less jelly.

>>1509151
hold on bro, let me clean off my touchscreen

>>1509151
butthurt rabal user
at least he uses it

>>1509151
Yeah man, his screen is dirty because that's how a real camera looks, it is a tool not a jewel.

>>1509151
Because I actually like to use it.

>>1509171
Couldn't have said it better.

>>1509176
Not a gearfag but have you considered a stick on screen protector to reduce the amount of grime on it? Not for aesthetics, I mean so you can see your shots with more clarity on the LCD. Those stick on protectors work pretty well on Apple iProducts with touch screens from what I've seen.

>My Leica would make the gearhumpers at RFF cry. It's no Winogrand Leica, but it's a start

>>1509191
I had one for a while but was problematic when using the touch screen, trying to find another type that's a little thinner but fits nicely still.

On the leica, that's awesome!

>>1509130


>not film, wouldn't buy

damn i'm so jelly right now