>>1505349
not asking anything, but: I'm glad that you're staying true to yourself and leaving.

I respect your self respect.

Wanna hang out sometime?

Here's one:
Why do you think we care?

>out shooting, friend decides to tag along
>he starts saying how his kodak easy share is better than my 7D + 35mm f/2 because mine doesn't zoom
>mfw

I'm glad you're leaving that shithole of a business (At least in terms of the photography department)
EXIF data available. Click here to show/hide.

Camera-Specific Properties:
Camera Software	Paint.NET v3.36
Image-Specific Properties:
Horizontal Resolution	96 dpi
Vertical Resolution	96 dpi

I am sure that you are just as ignorant about some things as much as they are about this one thing.

I don't see how or why you think this is ever going to change. Also, it's a job. You're there to render a service to the paying customer on behalf of your employer. Do your job until you find another one, then do that job.

Unless you were trying to incite rage at "n00bs". In which case, look no further than threads on /p/ for that.

>>1505362
No doubt I'm ignorant about some things. But a lot of people I run into don't WANT to learn any better, which is the thing that upsets me the most. This is going to happen for the rest of time, I know, but it still pisses me off.

>>1505362

>People don't know as "much" as I do bawabwbabwawwww

>>1505368

Why not stay in that job and try to actually help people to learn more. They're obviously not going to do homework on their own, but perhaps that's why you're there. If some 14 year old wannabe comes in and gets a D3100, don't get pissed: show her how to use it. If somebody has no idea why a prime lens is good, put a fucking prime lens on a camera and have them play around with it. I could've read a hundred books on photography, but the best thing that ever happened to me was when a pro told me to just buy a 50mm/1.4 and try to learn to use it well. Shit changed my life.

>>1505375
Because I literally get fussed at for teaching people things instead of selling the $150 1-hour training class, in which a geek squad guy comes to your house and shows you how to do things he read about 1 hour prior.

Also it doesn't pay for shit.

>>1505377
well then stop crying like a little bitch and look for a new job, nobody's forcing you to stay.
god you sound like such an asshole.
go and talk to your manager and tell him how wise you are and how much you know about photography maybe he will make you the new manager of digital imaging!!

>>1505381
someone cant read

>>1505349
Just be happy you have a job at all, OP. A lot of people are hard by on money in these times.

>>1505377
Why don't you try transferring to the appliance department? You don't have to know shit to sell OR use a refrigerator well.

OP: Is that image an example of your photographic prowess? Because I am confuse.

>>1505387
Nope, something from google images.

Fuck appliances. We had a store-wide meeting a few days ago about a refridgerator that ran android on the screen and how it ushered in their new 'connected world' strategasidyohj gosadflsd

ITT: OP gets called out for trying to troll up some rage, can't produce a decent picture of his own.

While I can imagine how bad you are feeling I am still jealous at you. I would love to have a job where all I have to do is to stand around and talk to some customers instead of doing hard work. Man I would love to have a job at all.

God. And I thought I had it bad with people bringing microwaves and toaster ovens into a TV repair shop.

>>1505425
[microwaves]

>>1505418
+1
Man, just agree with the customer. Your job is to make them feel happy they got the 51x digital zoom glow-in-the-dark pink Dildroid P&S camera with 34megapickles. People are bitches and whores yes, but man, I would love to have a job at walmart's or bestbuy.

>>1505437
>51x digital zoom glow-in-the-dark pink Dildroid P&S camera with 34megapickles.
Best phrase I ever saw on /p/.

>>1505437
>just agree with the customer. Your job is to make them feel happy they got the 51x digital zoom glow-in-the-dark pink Dildroid P&S camera with 34megapickles

unfortunately I'm gonna have to agree with this. you're main demographic are people who're one step away from turning to their cell phone as the primary method of taking pictures.

just let it be and accept your almost minimum wage paycheck so you can buy gear. Alternatively, try getting a job at Ritz or your local photog shot.

I work in the same department in the canadian counterpart big box store.

I really enjoy it. I get to tell people about cameras all day long, whether small point and shoots, mid-range DSLRs, high end Lenses, etc. Yes, there are a lot of people that don't know much that come in, but that's your fucking job. If they knew a lot about photography, they would probably just buy online. I have to explain about once a day why higher megapixels means shit, and people tend to listen and understand. I'm not an asshole about it, so they take my advice.

>>1505368
Have you ever listened intently and with serious consideration when a girl was rattling on about clothes or shoes?

>>1505520
>canadaian equivalent
>implying we dont have best buy

>>1505545
It's called
>Best Buy, Eh!

>>1505520
Have you ever felt like trolling a costumer? Like telling them that jpgs degrade every time you open the file?

OP, I feel your pain.

When I was in college I worked there, I had people coming in every day asking about "that Ashton Kutcher camera"

How about you stop being a little pretentious fuck and do what you get paid for... educate customers about the products your store sells. The "it's a shit job and I don't give a fuck" attitude won't get you far in life.

I am the Top Sales Pro in my store, and I never feel this way. If you know what you are doing than you would just teach the $30 basic in store DSLR class yourself. And at one time you were just a GWC looking to get your first rabble kinda like the teens and soccer moms.

First I can talk most teens into a mirror-less system just on the size factor and cuteness of most of them. Than they can learn how to use a camera and when they get older if they are still into photography they can get a DSLR. Most Moms will start looking into a t3i/t2i/d3100/d5100 and I show them the a55/a65 and they eat that up in a heartbeat because of the 10 fps and lower cost of the lenses.

I have at least one class per day that I teach and I go over how to use the camera, rule of thirds, and basic tips on how to get a half way decent picture.

I have also built up a good reputation in my area for knowing my stuff and have a group of customers that come in to buy high end cameras and lenses.

Learnyourstuffandyouwonthateyourjobbro.jpg

I've been lurking for a while now but I still don't know what "GWC" stands for. Care to enlighten me?

>>1505841

Girl with camera.

You know the type.

They take mirror pictures with their $3000 full frame DSLR.

>>1505844
Ah, I see. Thanks kindly.

I tried out one of the cpl filters they had in this isle on a computer screen nearby

it turned yellow

If you think you're overqualified for the Best Buy photography scene, find a job in photography where people know more than you. Then maybe they will come on /p/ and talk about how the newfag in their camera store (you) doesn't know shit and they are looking for another job. Then the cycle starts all over again.

tl;dr Everybody starts somewhere.

>>1505903
Protip: all cpl filters will turn yellow and violet when you look through them backwards, asshole.

>>1505729
>>1505916
These guys. I bought my first camera on a whim when I was 16, not even really knowing what an SLR was, I ended up getting a minolta dimage because it was the best I could afford and its shape made me think it was an SLR. I was as much of a dumbass as one could be. I shot entirely in auto. But then with it in my hands, I started playing with manual controls and learning more. Now I have a real camera and photography is the only love of my life and will be what I do for the rest of it. The pretentiousness of so many on /P/ disappoints me, everyone is a dumbass to start out with to some degree or another, and for every 10 dumbasses you help educate, for 1 of them its life changing... the other 9 just get to have trivial fun with a hobby and that’s not so bad either.

OP, I work at the Geek Squad in store. You think you have it bad? I work with people who think that...

Computer manufacturers give them viruses
The ghosts of their dead husbands can control their computer
We regularly hack their email accounts
Laptop displays randomly crack on their own.

I've also sold in cameras, and you're right, most of the customers are morons. All they look for are megapickles and zoom.

I had one customer ask for a recommendation. After I gave the recommendation, she said she wanted another camera because she liked the color better.

>>1505349
What state do you live in and how much do you get paid?

>>1505362
>You're there to render a service to the paying customer on behalf of your employer

God, THIS. I'm sick of reading elitist bullshit posts from you idiots who think you're too good for your jobs. Protip: it doesn't fucking matter what you do or say to make people buy what you're selling. In the end, it's their own decision to part with their money for an inferior product. This goes for pro camera shops and chain electronics stores alike. You are not responsible for your customer's finances or photoelitist advancement.

Just out of curiosity, but what do the camera salesmen in this thread say to people to explain "why megapixels don't matter"?

>>1506129
you're there to sell the most expensive camera you can get a normal to buy. you're not there to expound on the fine points of photography.

>>1505956
Geek squad is a bunch of unethical fuckers. They charged my friend's grandmother $80 to drive to her house and reboot her computer (why not tell her to reboot it over the phone? Oh, that's right, because your service basically relies on ripping off computer ignorant people). Another time, they convinced a coworker of mine that the kernel panics on her computer were caused because it was overheating and that she needed a new PSU and fans (REALLY? REALLLLLLLY?) I mean, where do you guys come up with this bullshit?

Basically geek squad is a terrible service whose business model involves fucking over chumps who don't know shit about computers. Just because people are ignorant doesn't make it right to abuse them.

>>1506134
>kernel panics

Well considering that I don't even know what a kernal panic is...

>>1506134

I just called Dell support on my laptop and they said non-functioning mic is due to an OS issue and I should reinstall windows.

Never have I been so pissed in my life.

OP: I, for one, appreciate you being there. I shot for years on film and then gave up when I started getting shitty digital prints from my negatives. When I finally decided to get a digital, the whole world had gone to online shopping. One of your blue-shirted brethren introduced me to Canon's and Nikon's current product lines. He knew his shit, as it sounds like you do.

If I could offer any advice I'd just say try to lighten up a little bit. Not everyone needs a D90. You have an opportunity to educate people if you can learn to click with them.

How many of those girls with 3100's need to get turned on to photography, and how many good shots do they need to get, in order for your effort to be worth it? When you're asked why a prime lens is any good, do you explain the answer? Do you qualify shoppers before leading them to either the D90 or the D3100?

The guy in Best Buy that only has two cameras to sell is the one that annoys me. I mean the one that leads everyone to the 7D or the D7000 no matter what kind of photography they're doing. Some of your cameras are crap, true, but over 90% of them are practically identical for most customers and there's no reason not to factor personal taste into the decision.

I know it's frustrating. I used to work in Radio Shack, and at least once a week I'd get into a fight with a customer who didn't believe me when I told him there is no adapter that lets you play 8mm tapes in your VHS VCR.

>>1506275


I totally agree with this statement about the ppl of best buy and futureshop. There is a store in my town called Henrys and pretty much if your not buying a full frame you get the feeling of we don't want you here, and that's not right.

I know what your going threw with hating explaining things to people.
It happens to me on a daily basis and I'm not even in retail.
Only like 10% actually listen and the other I think they just wanna do whatever they want regardless if its a bad idea. But I still try and help regardless.

Bottom line tho
If you feel like you do in your OP then just get out of retail cause that is bottom tier

OP on deck. You guys are right. I was in a very pissy mood yesterday due to some unrelated stuff. I really do enjoy helping people that want to understand things and take better pictures and I go a loooong way out of my way for those customers.

I work in a store in one of the highest-income areas in the region though, and the customer base is just aggravating much of the time. There are three big attitudes I run into. One, the "I'm going to pay as much as I can for everything and automatic will do everything for me" wasted potential customer. Two, the "my friend has a (insert dslr here) and I need one too." These people I often try to dig into a little deeper into to see what they really need but their mind is always made up beforehand and there's nothing I can do. Third is the loaded parents buying dslrs for their kids. If their kids are there I try to inspire them to take pictures of more interesting subjects by explaining some of the things slrs can do that P+S cameras can't and such, but again you can only do so much.

Part of my issue with these guys is that I'm so particular about money and it blows my mind that a lot of people aren't. I could never just drop 1500 on something without doing ANY kind of research, just based on "oh my friend has one." That just makes no sense to me, but it isn't my money.

I'd estimate that roughly 15% of my customers are people that are actually driven to ask questions and learn things about what they are spending their money on. These people are a delight to talk to of course. They are just so few and far between that it just gets frustrating some times.

>>1506329

OP, the money these people are pumping into the industry means that there's more funding for research and development, meaning better technology in our digital cameras. And if there is more demand for something it usually means prices go down - meaning (potentially) cheaper lenses/flashguns/etc for all of us.

Not everyone who owns are car is going to have the potential to become an F1 driver.

>>1506329

Not to turn this into a brandwhore thread, but this is why I like Pentax.

Most (or at least a larger percentage) of the people who own them have done research on the camera that would be best for them, appreciated what they found about the pentax models, and are willing to think outside the box, or are oldschoolers from the pentax era who have had tons of experience.

>>1506343
Interesting to note that I have never ever had anyone asking for any Pentax cameras/lenses. Probably because those guys don't come into Best Buy for their equipment.

>>1506347

Yeah, Pentax is almost exclusively for photo hobbyists. Hobbyists tend to be better-informed consumers who don't need the handholding that you receive at a big chain. (The same goes for hobbyists no matter which brand they shoot - it's not that Pentax consumers are better-informed just by dint of shooting Pentax.)

Meanwhile, Best Buy is a big box electronics store, not a photo store. There isn't much overlap in the market there. You don't go to Best Buy to get a good deal on a lens or a flash. I live in NYC, and the Best Buys here stock MAYBE five or six lenses at a time, and the lenses are always a pretty incongruous potpourri - a consumer 28-135 here, a 35L there.

If Pentax had a bigger marketing budget, they'd push more to get their stock into Best Buy, but they probably wouldn't sell anyhow. Too many people are unfamiliar with the brand, and it's too hard to explain to a general audience why a consumer might prefer a K-r to a T3i or D3100.

This is especially true given how much of Pentax's appeal is the ability to use K-mount lenses - Best Buy has no incentive to market a brand which cannibalizes the new lens market.

>>1506353
thats funny because they have all the colors of pentax at the big box electronic store where I live

>>1505349
I used to work in a Target electronics department, so I feel your pain, but my only advice is this:

I'm not afraid to say (you can contest this if you wish) that Best Buy employees flat out lie. I've heard outrageous claims about Monster cables, fallacious statements that a computer would be faster because "it has RAM", and that, arbitrarily enough (without citing specific models), "Samsung makes good TVs." Why not use a lie to genuinely help someone though? People would ask me about the difference in megapixels, and I'd tell them the sensor is "better". If you can present yourself confidently, most people take your word for it. Now, I'm not really a pro photographer, especially compared to people on this board, but I'm not an idiot with cameras either, so as far as those customers were concerned, I felt perfectly fine in saying that I *was* a professional photographer (be sure to say "freelance", so as to separate it from your obvious day job).

What's the difference between 1080i and 1080p? The P is higher resolution (temporally, and we may know that, but they don't need to)

I had to leave my hell hole as well, but I thankfully found myself in a video camera rental shop soon afterward. My ultimate suggestion is to work with what you have, and slowly make each future job more relevant to what you want to do.

>>1506353
Actually, it's because best buy wouldn't make a deal with a dying brand

>>1506629

Nope.

Weird. I was just applying to Best Buy today and seeing which DSLRs they sold. You are lucky to have a job OP, just make it your goal to educate the idiotic masses.

I'm into headphones and cameras, and sometimes the bullshit I hear just drives me nucking futs. OP is part of the problem. Just calmly explain shit to them. If they obviously don't want to learn, then take the chance to bullshit them into buying a V1 or 60D and increase your commission. So there.

Best buy doesn't even make commission.

>>1506353
It's really weird what they stock, speaking of that. My local one had a D700 gathering dust for like two years, until it finally sold in the aftermath of the tsunami when they got scarce and people were looking for them everywhere. But in a normal situation, who walks into Best Buy and buys a $2500 FF body, especially in a city with two decent real camera stores? I don't know why you'd choose to buy local and pay retail price and tax, but then go to a big box store and not support the local camera shops.

What's funny is that, other than the 70-300, I don't think that store even stocks any glass that would work with the D700 they had.