one sticky is already too much. fuck off.

>vl turbo
>look for dose gas leakage

>>7218820
Sounds good.

Going to start with the "Whats a good first car/car under 5K one first".

I have some rough shit pasted into sticky notes on my computer from various threads I have been in, I am going to try and start to organize it and draw up a table in Excel, maybe get a rough draft put up later this morning, early afternoon

>>7218817 (OP)
Wut car is good is really dependent on country.

You could do it with a flow chart....

>>7218825
Well, since I am american, that's what I will start with. If someone on the board would like to collab with me on getting an Aus&Euro table/chart to add with it, I would be totally up for it.

There is certain shit that will be true no matter where you live, so I don;t think it would be to hard to add in non-US alternatives

>>7218821
> i have no gf
> or friends LOL

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>>7218825
Quick flowchart i made to narrow down choices

>>7218851
>not making every option a VL commie
what the fuck are you doing with your life

>>7218850
Awesome!

>>7218851
Problem is, I am looking to make something that is a little more complete so people have more of a reference. Looking to include things like pros and cons to each car, things to watch for, what you should expect to pay, Upkeep costs, things like that. It gets way to bulky for a flow chart


I am thinking I am going to start with a category chart, this is my rough outline, feedback welcome:

Intro bit with general advice, gonna try and build off this: "Unless you know someone who is just going to cut you an amazing deal, Pretty much anything under 2K is a gamble OP. Doesn't mean you can't win, but it means you can also lose big time. Only buy under 2K unless you have to have a car right now

Don't blow all your money on a first car/budget car. Aim around 2.5-3K, with a 5K absolute limit. If you DD it, its going to get beat up, no matter how careful you are, and if you are a newer driver, you don't need to buy something that is going to make you loose sleep for a month if you wrap it around a tree 6 months from now. Also, things WILL break, you are going to have to have some cash reserves to keep it up."

Start list as follows:

MVP: If we can get enough of a consensus, we will have an MVP car at the top

Econobox

Coupe

Lux/"classy"

Sedan

Sports car

Truck/SUV

Wagon

Special Snowflake

Would like to get it narrowed down to a solid 3 for each category, but if it looks like we can do more, I will

Things I want to include for each car: Pro/Con, known trouble spots, what you can expect to pay, and how easy they are to keep up

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>>7218864
Doing with my life? Other than two jobs and uni?

>Pic related, My garage

>>7218866
Cars I am planning on including from the start:

Civic
Corolla
Maxima
Altima
190E/300E
300E/240D
220/240C
Miata
Jetta/TDI
Volvo 850

What else do you guys think should make the list? What year range? Lets start getting some ideas and opinions out here

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>>7218866
It would be good to have a list of the best for each category, however the issues i have when someone asks wut car is good? always requires more information.

For instance, "Civic & GTFO" is all good until OP says they need to transport their dirtbike/5children/traverse rocky mountain passes.

The flowchart narrows down the choices, to which then recommendations can be made.

Having a flow chart supported by the list of best cars in categories would be good.

Here is an example of a good sticky guide

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>>7218881
For reliability's sake, i would stick to >1990.

Not to say that pre 1990 cars are unreliable, just that rust and electrical issues would be more prevalent.

>Good example Aus car that can be had for under $5k

>>7218890
The /g/ one is actually what I was looking to try and model this one off of, although I wouldn't really call it a flow chart

>>7218892
Fuckn' sick commy bruv.
Do you want a bad boy sticker with that?

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Alright, thinking of building the chart as follows, thoughts

And then this thread will die and nothing has been changed.

>>7218946
Hell with it dying, I will make another one, I am going to get this done if it kills me

>>7218948

Sounds like a plan. I'm in. Too bad the moderator hardly visits this board?

I swear we already one of these at one point a few years ago but nobody looked at it cause HUR I DUN LIKE THOSE CARS WAT ELSE IS GUD

>>7218820
Mod already said that there will never be wat car iz gud sticky because wat car iz gud threads in only thing keeping this board alive.

So, skipping MVP, lets hear nominations in the econobox category? Do you fellows think Civic and Corolla should fit here, as I was thinking this would be the logically place to include them

>>7218951

You're right. Also people keep asking what car is good even though they don't say what purpose will it be for etc. Also no car is perfect. Try to educate people about this.

>>7218954

We should recommend Corolla.

>>7218952
Hell, that's fine, and I am SURE people are still going to come here and ask what car is good, just like people STILL went on /g/ to ask "is this a good build??" when they had their sticky up.

Not everyone wants to come in and try and start/bump a thread about what car they should buy, I think a quick reference guide would be handy

>>7218958
I hear Corolla. Anyone up for including Civic in this category?

This is something I think we should all work on.

But I'm too fucking tired right now to care.

>>7218881
But I read your list an no Imprezas? Don't include the other Subarus. Just the Imprezas.

>>7218962
I want the communities input, hence why I made this thread. I know I don't have enough comprehensive knowledge to offer smart choices in every single category.

I gotta drive to campus, but I will be back on in about 20 minutes. Please guys, toss around nominations for the econobox catergory

Has anyone been to /fa/ or /fit/? Their stickies work awesomely well. We should try the same.

>>7218965
>>7218962

Fuck it. You need someone with Photoshop skills?

I can do plenty with Photoshop.

>>7218966
>>7218967
We also might want to consider linking some "Don't buy this you fucking retard the engine is knocking / whatever obvious problem it has"

Something their dads may not have taught them.

>buy a Hayne's or Chilton's repair manual for your car or for the car you are about to buy or a shop manual
>Hayne's and Chinton's will tell you what tools you need and how to repair your car and how to buy a used car

>repair manuals will tell you how to do the job and what you need
>start with simple things like how to change the air filter or tires
>if still interested keep exploring
>remember you need to know:
-how to fix something
-why you are fixing it
-why did it break
-what does the part / item do
-how does it do it

Keep asking yourself these questions when you work with your car and learn the answers.

Put that in the sticky and problem solved. I've told that to over 9000 people on this board alone and never heard anyone complain afterwards. I bought a Hayne's and Chilton's book after I bought my first American car 1980 Dodge Aspen Special Edition. Has helped me out.

>>7218979
This could be at the end of sticky

>>7218959
/fit/ is another great example of a board with a good sticky.

Threads range from "I should read the sticky" to variations on the sticky to things not covered by it.

It is certainly a good starting point

Tripfags reactions when we will get this sticky:
http://youtu.be/VX7gFl7xnOE

Should I contact moot about this or will OP want to do that? Does the mod moderate other boards aswell or does he actually have a life since he is never here

>>7218985
>>7218967

Beaten to it

People who come here asking for advice without reading the sticky can be told to gtfo or ignored. Now we shouldn't do that because there are people coming here to ask advice who are willing to learn.

Ok back

>>7218974
Yes, this might be a good thing to put in after we work throughthe catagories

>>7218980
>>7218979
Agree, the repair manual bit would make a great wrap up.

>>7218968
Will probably need some help getting all the images stiched together once we get all the categories flushed out

>>7218986
I will try and contact the 4chan admin email account since I dont really do IRC, if anyone wants to grab ahold of our moderator on IRC and let him know what I am up to, that would be great

Here, someone is going to have to edit this because I'm seriously tired but I have ideas.

Tips on when you go out looking at cars:

OUTSIDE:
.What is the overall condition of the car?
.Is there any rust?
.Does it have any puddles of fluid coming from underneath it?
.What are the condition of the tires?
.Any visible body damage? If so it could have been in an accident.

INSIDE:
.What's the overall condition of the seats / carpet?
.Any noticeable water damage / dampness?
.Do the electronics work? (if applicable)
.Any gauges not work?
.Do the windows roll up and down without force?

ENGINE / ENGINE BAY:
JUST BECAUSE EVERYTHING IS SHINY DOESN'T MEAN IT RUNS WELL.
cont'''

>>7218996
>>7218990
This. I think it would be very easy to have a sticky at the top with links to a US, Aus, and Euro buyers guide, and a "how to inspect a used car" guide. Would greatly improve post quality I think if we can get some good guides knocked up

>>7219012
Will save this away in my raw notes for my "How to inspect a used car guide" good sir

>>7219014
>>7219013
>>7219011
Sorry, those were all me, forgot to put my trip up on my laptop haha

Ok, so as of right now, we only have 2 cars up for consideration in the econobox category, the civic and the corolla. come on guys, what are your othe nominations?

>>7219018

Any decent condition old American car.
+easy to work with
+reliable

Only minus people might consider is the mileage some of them get.

http://www.allpar.com/slant6.html

One of the most reliable engine ever with good mileage.

>>7219012

>Expanding

-Does all of the paint match?
>Mismatched paint is a sign of poor body repair.

>What things are you going to need to do to get it road worthy?
- all lights and indicators work/not broken?
-tyres in road worthy condition?
-shocks working/not leaking?
-cracked windscreen?
-brakes firm/not squeek?
-Noisy engine? Gearbox? Diff?

>Turn off radio to listen for unusual noises when test piloting the car.

Common rust places vary on cars, but most cars will gather rust in the boot/trunk, sills, lower doors and guards.

cont...

>>7219025
>>7219029
Nice, looks better than my ugly ass spread sheet.

>>7219029
we need a specific model and year range to list

>>7219012
ENGINE
Open the hood (Bonnet for you folks on the other side of the lake)
JUST BECAUSE EVERYTHING IS SHINY DOESN'T MEAN IT RUNS WELL.
.Check the oil. Is it black? If so then the owner might have not changed the oil recently, or who knows, not within the last 10K miles. Ask him / her!
.Any obvious damage / missing things / loose connections?
.Check the battery terminals. Look for white dusty substance / corrosion. (Corrosion is bad)
.Ask the owner / dealer about what modifications are done to this car. MODS ARE GENERALLY BAD. Unless you have worked on that specific car yourself, you have no idea what someone might have done to it.

DRIVING THE CAR:
How does it feel?
.Take it over a nice bump at an average speed. Did it take the bump well? Do the tires rub when it hits said bump? Did the suspension make any noise?
Something worth noting I forgot to put it, AVOID LOWERED CARS. These cars can eat tires and cause major suspension issues later in its life. (If it hasn't already)
.Give it some gas. How's the power delivery? Did it shutter? Did it "cough"?

TALKING TO THE OWNER
cont..

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What I have for econobox so far

>>7219031

Buy a 1980 Dodge Aspen with slant 6. Problem solved. Special Edition for couple of hp more.

TALKING TO THE OWNER / AFTER DRIVE
This is actually pretty important. People can talk about what a car has been through. Cars can't.
.Check under car after the drive. Any fluids leaking?
.Why are they selling it?
.What's a few of the problems they had with it?
.Any major modifications? See: AVOID HEAVY MODS.

I know I'm missing something here.

>>7219032

This shit can be found in the repair manuals brah.

20$ for a books isnt that much if you are buying a car anyway.

>>7219040
>>7219041

See.

>>7219036

>moels
>contorl

>>7219036
Also If I get a comprehensive list of cars. I can shoop together a nice thing for people who will TL;DR.

>>7219044
Fixed, any thoughts guys?

>>7219046
Nice, If we can power through getting all the raw data into a spread sheet, I am more than open to someone sprucing it up/making it look less like ass

>>7219049
I still think you should do the spread.
My thing will mostly be a small amount of stats about the car / who should buy it / and how much it would cost.

>>7219050
Will continue on

Come on guys, do you think I am on track with my comments about the civic and corolla?

And we need to get more nominations for a third econobox

>>7219049

Did you contact moot or anyone about this already?

>>7219030
Check if car has service history, and if service history is from that car.
Check the auto trans fluid if auto.
Ask the owner when was the last time they serviced the auto. It is often one of the most neglected components, and one of the most expensive.

Check brake fluid and clutch reservoir fluid. >This is another item that should be changed regularly that often gets overlooked.

IF you can see the brakes, try to look for heat spots or cracks on the discs, and thick/thin pads.

Look under the body/wheel arches for damage, dents or rubbing.

Check car on startup for smoke

Check to see if cold before test pilot
>car may run shit cold, and owner makes sure it is warm to hide coldstart problem.

What are the accessory drive belts like?
(have seen mates buy a car and belt goes on way home, car cooks because waterpump not working)

Being neat and clean doesn't mean that it is good. It could be a meticulous owner, or more likely has been tarted up for the sale.

If ever they say shit like "grandma's car, driven to church on sunday, only highway kms' they're lying sacks of shit.

Look out for model specific problems (google search, /o/ query or similar will be needed) i.e. Worn castor bushes

Budget for insurance/taxes/registration that will also need to be paid for after the purchase of the vehicle.

>>7219053

Opel Corsa.

>>7219054
Yeah, sent an email to admin@4chan.org explainging what we were trying to do and asking them to pin this thread for us

>>7219057
Might be good for the euro version, but we need some more american options

>>7219053
Nominate the Golf for something a bit different

>>7218986
>>7218860

>>7219060
I feel that. I would say we recommend the TDI for god tier diesel reliability?

Here's what I think

Yes - Honda Civic
Yes - Toyota Corolla
Yes - Mazda Miata

Expensive but yes - Volkswagen Jetta/TDI
Don't these have reliablitlity issues? - Nissan Maxima / Nissan Altima
Bad money pits? Mercedes Benz 190E/300E Mercedes Benz 300E/240D 220/240C
Expensive? - Volvo 850 Wagon (Or any Volvo)

I put in for the imprezas but i've never owned one. Thoughts?
Also add suggestions for and why I'll add /subtract to list

>>7219065
LOL WHY THE JETTA

Should be golf

>>7219067
We have the gold on the table right now as the nomination for the 3rd econobox

>>7219063
and economy

>>7219069
lol *golf on the table

>>7219063
The TDI's will be on my list
>I'll put the VWs under one car with an explanation to save clutter on the shoop

>>7219071
OK I am feeling it. Unless someone else wants to put forth anothe ralternative for a 3rd US econobox, I will start writing up the Golf

>>7219065
Need more nominations / reasons from this list

>>7219076
Golf, Corolla and Civic are quite universal afaik, all with great qualities for the econobox category

>>7219079
OK, going to write it up, will post the full econobox category for people to talk over once done

So far my absolutes for my simple shoop. I'm going to keep the years out of it to make the shoop easy to understand. (Unless it's necessary, like a really bad year or something)

Honda Civic
Toyota Corolla
Mazda Miata
Volkswagen Golf

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We already have a picture of /o/ approved cars by price range

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Ok, here is the first draft of the econobox category. Thoughts/opinions?

>>7219091
Slow should be a con for all 3

>>7219092
All cars under 5k are slow standard.

>>7219090
care to post?
iirc it may be outdated, overpriced and not geared for noobs

>>>/q/

/o/ packages can be found at:
http://rs.4chan.org/

>>7219104
Not very helpful to the 5000 and under crowd.

>>7219106
God dammit I meant to say the DD crowd.
Like I said, Tired.

>>7219106
Nor very detailed, looking to create something that is more of a guide than just a price range and some pictures.

>>7219113
I'm going to have to resign my photoskills for when I'm not going on 30 whatever hours without sleep.

>Not my post btw
>prolly quoted wrong post
>That's old as fuck seen it 1,000 times.

Good luck longpost. Hell after I get some rest, if the sticky hasn't already been made, I'll check back. See what's up.
>This divorce is killing me.

OK, here is revision 1 to the econobox. Put in a little header pointing out these are not sporty cars, added a little more to the golf

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>>7219124
Forgot the damn pic haha

>>7219121
Thanks for the support man, hope to see you back soon

>>7219125
>what is celica, mini cooper, integra, and grand am

>>7219125
whoops need to correct the model year on the golf

>>7219127
mini, integra, and grand am are not econobox cars. Will consider them when we get to appropraite category

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Ok, econobox revision 2

>>7219148
will file away for wagons

Anyone have any more feedback about the econoboxs so far?

>Integra
>not an econobox

Hahaha. Do idiots actually believe this?

>>7219164
The Volvo would fit more in the wagon category and the CV would be a better fit in sedan I would think, neither of those cars is what I would call an Ecobox...?

>>7219163
Would call it a Coupe myself?

I've had a list ready to be stickied since the beginning of last summer, but dead HDD.
Serious lack of Nissan Sentra in here.

Started on the 'sporty' econo's yet?

>>7219148
This, and the derivatives of the Chassis, 700/900/S90

>>7219164
>implying a Volvo 240 gets any better gas mileage than a Crown Vic

>>7219163
B-b-but that would imply being cheap, and economical, which the Integra is neither, being farther up the totem pole and under a luxury brand than Hondas actual economy car, the Civic.

>implying fwd = econo box

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>>7219218
Nigga wat.

>>7219204
If I can get the general consensus that /o/ is ok with those three as the pics for ecoboxes, the next category I'd like to tackle is good solid middle of the road sedan

>>7219239
CAMRYCAMRYCAMRYCAMRYCAMRYCAMRYCAMRY
CAMRYCAMRYCAMRYCAMRYCAMRYCAMRYCAMRY
CAMRYCAMRYCAMRYCAMRYCAMRYCAMRYCAMRY

>>7219251
Why camry over corolla? Not arguing just trying to get insight

Under 5k - Civic
Under 10k - Civic
Under 25k - Civic
Under 50k - Civic
Under 100k - Civic

Seriously, if you need to ask /o/, just get a fucking Civic.

>>7219239
Having any MPG requirements for each bracket?
The sedans are going to be a blandfest.
What do you think of sports FWD's? Integra/Celica/etc, or are they being superceded by RWD master race S13/14/etc.

The only thing I can see wrong with Civic/Corolla/TDI is the lack of the Sentra. And on the subject, you suggested sedan versions for each one, so why are you going to move on to Sedans? Maybe body styles should be listed

>>7219267
Nope, no MPG req. Just good buys in the USA for 5K or under as a first car/budget car.

And I am trying to find the models that best represent each type. I know the Civic has a coupe, a hatch, and a sedan, but overall, i feel like the car is a best fit in the ecobox category because its cheap and reliable.

I want to make a sticky that flushes out the best options in each type, not one that just re-lists civic in every body style that it is made in

>>7219264
That kind of thing is what I would like this sticky to solve.

>>7219267
wow i was looking at the sentra wiki page

the 6th gen only comes with manual

gotta love nissan for doing this

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OK, at this point, we will move it on along to sedans!

Can I get some nominations from /o/ on what the best buys for 5k an under for sedans might be?(we are excluding the civic and corolla since we listed them in eco)

>>7219102

Anybody make a thread there? Would prolly speed things up.

>>7219331
I did, I shot an email to moot

>>7219326
P71 and a Civic

>>7219339
Civic was the pick in ecobox, we need other options here

>>7219345
here or wagon?

>>7219336

Yeah but did you also make a thread? He prolly has over 9000 millions emails to read.

>>7219353
yeah I made a thread in q here:>>>/q/316723

Camry and Sentra have also been mentioned? what do you think guys?

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>>7219326
Volvo 200/700/900/S90
Nissan Maxima
Subaru Legacy
Toyota Camry
VW Passat TDI
BMW E36

And nominating E36/5 for econo car.

>>7219365
Nice, I will try and create a poll with the popular choices, Ill post the link to it, and let /o/ vote, we can see what look like to be the top contenders


Keep giving me suggestions guys

>>7219355

Good! Posted there.

Acura Integra
Acura Vigor
Acura Legend
...
Too many many many many sedans

I think the sticky should be more of a quide how to find a car on your own than to give ready examples.

>>7219386
come on guys, more options, I would like to get about 25 solid ones, then I will make the poll and publish it and let people vote no it

>>>/q/316723

Interesting points being made.

Gonna bump

Need MORE SUGGESTIONS for 4 door sedans ladies and gentleman, would like to get 25 solid contenders, then put up a poll for people to vote on

>>7219407
Last 90s/00s Buicks.

Pretty much any one of them

>>7219414
give me a specific model I can put in a poll my man. I cant just put, any 90's Buick up for people to vote on

>>7219407
You should make a list of what we have now because, honestly, this thread is tl;dr for me.

>>7219416
What do you think guys, you think I should start a new thread? Or just make an all caps post here with what we have so for in sedans and request more suggestions?

>>7219415
Buick Regal. My granny had one and it was a great car.
Had the l67, I think.

>>7219391
Taurus SHO
Lexus ES/LS/GS
Subaru Impreza
Toyota Avalon
Honda Accord
Nissan Altima


Seriously if you want 25, just go to wiki and add every japanese, some euro, and a dash of american.

We need this sticky but it has to have a lot more than just examples of shitboxes. Instructions are needed for other things too like what manuals to buy and what tool brands are good etc.

/fa/ has an excellent sticky which coveres clothes and style but also fabrics!

>ban americans
>board becomes better
>profit???

>>7219430
>acquire mod
>ban shitposters
>???
>profit

>not knowing how to underwear gnome profit
>2012
lel new2theinternet

>>7219429
/fit/ has an extensive sticky that shows them how to do pretty much everything, leaving most of the discussion to be cam whoring and feel.
I for one welcome any discussion about how to fix cars or just general discussion.
I think the sticky should only be a car buying guide.
It'll weed out the 'wat car is gud' threads, at least.

>>7219429
I agree, fit has a great sticky with multiple walkthroughs as well, but we have to start somewhere, and this sticky on good cheap/first car under 5 grand i think is as good a place as any to start

>>7219424
Thank you,

>>7219439
Or at least allow the discussions to get better, since you can refer people to the sticky,

This might take awhile so people keep coming back to this thread. I don't think any mod or admin will react to this thread in few days. It might take awhile so lets keep this up together.

I don't think you lot have thought this through, you are providing tips just for one market, are automatically assuming that every visitor is american?

>best car for under $5k
wut
>best sedan (lists american cars)
wut

Come on /o/ actually think this shit through for once, there are no right or wrong opinions in the automotive world, everyones opinion will differ on something not everyone would agree on the same list, thats why the fucking idea is floored and biased toward one market.

If you are gonna make a sticky actually involve information that is useful for ALL the users of /o/, not a bunch of teenage muscle car fans from Wisconsin.

>inb4 mad euro fag

I'm american.

>>7219444
True.
I can see this board turning into a specific persons' ideological haven.
I honestly don't mind all too much most of what happens in here.
I just really would like a car buying guide sticky.

>>7219452

With general information what to look for and what manuals to buy etc...

>>7219451
have thought it through, if you read the whole thread, I mentioned that once we get the format in place, anyone who wants to can adapt a euro/aus version.

This isn't an opinion thread, its a "general good ideas and decisions" thread for people who come to /o/ looking for car advice

Its absolutely possible to make a list that contains generally safe/solid buys for a first car/budget car.

>>7219452
me to, hence why I am trying to knock this up

>>7219459
yeah but still peoples opinions will differ, some people get so deluded with the fact they own/fan of a certain car they disregard the fact it's a total shit house. You'll name some shit cars and i can bet someone will be majorly butthurt over it, it'll just go back and forth and cause even more issues then it's worth.

>>7219461
Yeah, I agree on that actually.
I feel like I should go back to everything I said and delete it.
Oh well.
>>7219474
THIS

>>7219469
>anyone who wants to can adapt a euro/aus version

So yeah this sticky will just involve one market.

Having a what to look out for on a first purchase or certain makes when buying a car is a good idea, but giving out a list for a specific market is biased, you'll need to break it down even more so, some people will only buy imports some people will only want to buy domestic.

>>7219474

>don't name cars
>tell people how to look for the cars themselves
>problem solved

This is what I'm trying to say.

>>7219488
>bias
Welcome to /o/.
And it's not our fault if no Aus or Euro wants to put time in to doing one, but it looks like the Mericans are trying.

>>7219474
>>7219488
Just because I am willing to do one for the US market and no one wants to do one fro the euro market shouldn't stop me from working on mine. If the euro and aus guys want to make one and try and get it going, they are more than welcome to

And yeah people are going to argue, that's why you need to get a sticky up, gets lots of input on each category, and narrow things down. Of course people are going to argue and be deluded, but that's why you get the whole community involved.

If we can get this, I will gladly start work on a "what to look out for" sticky with anyone who wants to help

>>7219514

Voted.

>>7219508
Maybe because of the time difference people do work you know.........

>>7219510
Getting a general all rounded opinion from everyone will take forever, you are asking anonymity to work together and decide, unless YOU decide what goes where, then it's not /o/'s opinion its (like i said before) a certain person/groups opinion. Say in an hour when all the muscle car fans come home and get on if you've just spent the last hour making a list where there was only two guys who both happened to like bmw giving you input the opinion will biased and swayed.

>>7219520
That's why we need to get this thread pinned, so we can leave the polls up for a couple days, so as to get everyone's input on the various catagotries for the sticky

In the mean time, I am just going to have to look after this thread the best I can and try and get people to vote, and if this thread dies, I'll make a new one

>>7219514
Voted, and I think that the TDI's should be counted together, and just listed as VW TDI sedan.

>>7219529
If people think thats sensible I'll add the votes for the Jetta and the Passat together when the I count up the totals

>>7218817 (OP)
Your posts and your hilarious stories of rustangs paid for in gold are the chemo that saved this board for me. I commend and support your efforts.
Sincerely,
Excarsalesfag still stuck with a Hyundai accent

inb4 shitstorm

>>7219537
Thank you sir, I am a firm believer that if you enjoy a community, you should invest in making it better. And hell I am gonna try.

>>7219561

Not enough people seem to give a shit.

>>7219586
Well, I'd love to vote but I honestly don't feel very qualified to. I only know of a few cars on that list well enough to suggest them off hand.

>>7219586
Ah, about a dozen voters so far, the poll lets me live track the results


Come on guys, help us out, vote for the best sub5K sedan that isn't a civic or corolla!! Help us build this sticky!

>>7219595
just woke up hear on the best coast, ill lend my thoughts

>>7219607
well, im not fully awake, so i might have fucked up, but i think both moazda protege's and geo prism deserve a spot on there.

My family has had both for a very long time. The gro especially is a beast of a car, and its essentially a corolla that you can get cheaper

>>7219622
oh and i may have added the protege twice, fyi

im still so tired that i may as well be drunk

>>7219676
voted.

Why are we comparing sedans to econoboxes? Seems like a Camry or Accord could certainly make up for the lack of class in a Corolla or Civic, why not include that in chart 1?

Newfag tripfag wants his name on the first page wow another trip wanting attention amazing

>>7219676
>One last shameless self bump
You're not shameless faggot

>>7219586
>dozen vot
Exactly

Newfag doesnt understand that if this sticky is made /o/ will die

Fucking op is a retard

>>7219514
lmao@this thread

>>7219907
That didn't come out right but I know what ur sayin

Fuck this, hope a mod deletes this shit

This topic makes no sense, different cars in different areas.

>>7219924
Yup

Op is from amurica and thinks everyone elkse is too

If this gets a sticky whats the point of coming to /o/?

>>7219930
There would be no point :p

>>7219935
Don't use emoticons you flapping vag.

Everyone get a Civic and STFU.

>>7219930
>my car is broken and I can't figure out why
>look at these awesome pictures of cars
>fourza
>i just bought a new car
>meet ups
>f1 races
>trolling
Come on.

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I found a pic of OP, seems legit

>>7219942
lmao

Oh yes can we pretty pretty please have ANOTHER FUCKING STICKY I HAVE TO SCROLL PAST.

Fuck get rid of all the stickies.

>>7219952
Anon cannot into clicking.
Just hide the sticky.
>itsfuckingnothing.jpg

>>7219952
This.

Stickies are annoying. Our motorcycle one is filled with common sense its stupid.

Why the fuck does there have to be any stickies? Maybe we could have actual good topics if no one does a sticky.

Yes please lets keep arguing about the FRS. Might as well, since all the good topics will be covered by stickies.

>>7219952
ffs this would keep you from having to scroll through all the goddamn threads about WAT CAR IS GUD

>>7219960
Why should I have to. Fuck you trip fag you're probably op

LOOK AT ME I AM A FUCKING TRIP FAG ATTENTION!!! HEY LOOK!!! MEEEE!!!!

Fuck you, you otter mode skinny fuck

>>7219032
>Check the oil, is it black? If so then owner hasn't changed oil recently

Bullshit, I change my oil every 5000km and it goes black within a month

>>7219236
Yeah but the autotragic got 19 city 22 highway.

This thread, my.fucking.sides

>>7219971
*17 city. 19 overall.

>>7219967
Agh, fuck, I am ottermode skinny fuck.
At least I contribute to this board with pictures of car and general car discussion.
All I was doing was trying to help you, and I ended up getting trolled.
;_;

>>7218818
>one sticky is already too much. fuck off.

This pretty much says it all doesn't it.

da fuq just happened in this thread?

jesus

>>7219977
You help nothing and just post your pics like all tripfaggots.

How do you think we know what you look like, fucking moron.

>>7219977
Show us ur abs tough guy. Dem guns r 2 big 2 deal wit

>>7219968
What do you use, shitty dino oil on a 200,000 engine with shit filters?

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sage in all fields
>shit idea is shit

>>7219996
lol

>filename

No more stickys fucking hell

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>>7219984
I've posted my picture like once or twice in troll threads.
If you follow my posts so much, how do you not see me post in other threads?

My feelings are starting to get hurt, guys. I'll stop getting butthurt about camwhoring if you stop getting butthurt over not knowing how to hide threads.
Post cars.

Another trip trying to make a name for himself

Nothing to see here people, move on.

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>>7219996
Yes, I'd much rather have thread after thread of the same topic with the same responses and the same trolls instead of one centralized post I could easily hide. OP sure is a fag!

>>7220003
I think the issue is some anons save pics of trips and post them over and over.

But seriously, this is a stupid idea. Stickies are gay as fuck its bad enough we already have one useless sticky

>>7220012
this, jesus christ

>>7220012
Surprise surprise, another trip wants the sticky.

All attention seeking whores.

Help each other out to get noticed.

>Gee I wish I was a big faggot so I could try and be cool.

>>7220027
I just wish all the trips would go away

>>7220035
Isn't there a function to hide them?
I just think people, including myself admittedly, are overthinking this whole board.

>>7220035
>/o/ becomes tripless board
>/o/ evolves from shit tier to something great
>everyone wins

Fuck the OP and fuck the Trips that defend him. Suck dick somewhere else and get the fuck off /o/

>>7220039
You can hide all tripfags
You can hide stickies
You can hide bulletins
It's all build right into the board

Some people just have a dragon dildo up their ass.

>>7220046
Agreed

Trips are what is ruining this board

>>7220048
All it is with you assholes is trip drama, worse than fucking women.

Why don't you learn a bit about cars, drop the trip, and then come back when you can offer something to /o/

This thread is bad and you all should feel bad

>>7220059
No more stickies pls

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>>7220046
Only retards think this way.

Forced anon has been tried. Know what happened? All the shitposters were impossible to track and block and without a name to hold them accoutable to themsevles there was MORE shitposting not LESS shitposting and moot removed it.

Do you really think your least favorite tripfag would stop saying stupid shit if they couldn't put a name to it? Do you really think they wouldn't just figure out some other way to mark their identity?

>>7220050
fuck all this jabber. Piston makes some awesome threads and excellent discussions are to be had in Amerifag's bike threads. Not all trips are created equal.

No thanks op

I think it speaks volumes that so few people have voted.

We don't need this sticky.

>>7220055
You probably think most of everything is worse than fucking women.
But being a dick aside, don't over generalize a board as one thing. You're the one posting about who horrible trips are while not really contributing much to the board.
OP is just giving us an idea and we're all working together to try an improve on it.
Anyway, I'm done posting in here, unless y'all have anything else to say.

>>7220064
>Only retards think this way.
Only retard here is you.

>>7220073
How could you say that when half of /o/ is a bunch of threads about wat car is gud? It give us room to discuss much better topics.

>>7220077
Eat a massive cock you aids infested dick sucker?

>>7220081
>obviously not a trip

lol

>>7220080
he gave an example which you ignored. Come on now.
>>7220077
I enjoy your contributions to various threads around /o/. Don't let these other anon cunts try to destroy a great idea.

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>>7220082

Stickies are gay and take up too much space

>no posts for awhile, thread is going pretty slow
>suddenly, mad posts nearly every minute or so for the last 30 mins!

i bet this is finally the majority of the board voicing its opinion, totally

>>7220086
I've never tripped in my entire life, but proving that to you doesn't mean anything. Check my IP if you want, I give 0 fucks. I'm here to help a good cause.

>>7220080
An excellent rebuttal that hits all the points I stated.

>>7220081
>How could you say that when half of /o/ is a bunch of threads about wat car is gud? It give us room to discuss much better topics.

Exactly. Don't like the sticky? Hide it and you'll forget it's even there and the newfags can use it. This is why /g/ got a PC build guide. It was the first time they had any semblance of agreement on anything and it's constantly discussed and updated.

ArizonaAztec is ok, but Walter is an underage that knows nothing about cars.

Anyways this is a stupid idea.

>>7220100
>Comparing a pc build guide to a car purchasing guide

I expect you to say dumb shit but this is beyond time and space.

Marking this for trolling, its obviously not wanted and just pissing everyone off

>>7220102
You've failed to explain why this is a stupid idea, or why Walter is how you describe. Your ideas hold no merit.

I support this idea

It would clear up a lot of /o/ for other shit

>>7220114
>pissing everyone off
Thats about all its doing.

Stay classy /o/

>>7220114
How on earth? Customization of computers was HUGE on /g/, and it was pissing of the regulars because the board was flooded with nubs asking the same stupid questions. It was a huge stretch on quality control, which is equitable to this issue.

>>7220116
OMG OMG another trip supporting the idea.

>unexpected.jpg

>>7220120
What the fuck does me having a trip have anything to do with it?

It's a good idea

car and driver does a "10 best" car list for each year, and used to do it with categories. I'd love to see something like this from /o/

carand driver categories were:

>Family Sedan
>Full Size Sedan
>Luxury Sedan
>Luxury Sports Car
>Luxury Sports Sedan
>Muscle Car
>Performance Car
>Sports Coupe
>Sports Sedan
>Wagon

And adding more categories would be a good idea, such as:

>used car
>new car
>under $5k/10k/15k/20k ect.
>best interior/exterior
>reliability

This is now an "anon vs trip" thread

>FIGHT

>>7220114
Naturally the act of building a computer and buying a car are not analagous. That's not what I was
>implying
But the same problem existed there as does here; people constantly asking for advice on a singular topic with thread after thread all over the board about it for literally years before someone finally compiled a list of shit and said HERE. READ THIS.

No sticky

>>7220120
<< anon here supporting the idea
What is with all this prejudice? What does tripping have to do with anything?

Please don't sticky this

>>7220128
This. THIS THIS THIS. Over 9000 times this. Coming from a successful model is a fantastic idea.

>>7220129
Well, I wouldn't say that.
More like a single anon troll vs easily trolled trips.
I don't know why people on 4chan have such a
hard time with people having different opinions.
;_;
captcha: harmony ocatved

What a shit storm this is.

Sticky would be a bad idea, clearly based on the posts.

>>7220136
Why wouldn't we sticky such important information?

I'm beginning to suspect this guy just ignores other anons.

>>7220144
>>bad idea
>>doesn't say why
>>blames trips for shitposting

>>7220144
Agreed.

Less /o/ drama plox

>>7220144
Why would it be a bad idea?

It would take all the shitty posts we get everyday and condense them into one post, easily hideable

I would prefer not to look at this cluster fuck of a thread. 90% of it is arguing.

This is typical /o/

Also this was a dumb idea for a sticky

Stickys are so annoying.

>>7220162
So hide it

Why is hiding such a hard idea to understand to people?
I haven't seen the motorcycle sticky for months

Fuck this thread.

>>7220169
Why should we all have to hide something maybe 10 people want.

Fuck off idiot.

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Guys, this thread has been spammed to all hell by one stupid anon who keeps samefag trolling the trips and spamming the same stupid shit regarding:
>>this is a bad idea
>>fuck stickies
>>im gonna post the same shit and ignore everyone

>>7220174
>oh man, sure is hard as fuck to press a button once

Do you enjoy seeing ten topics that are exactly the same everyday?