Go take a nap, goyim. Every thing will be okay.

No one denies the Holocaust.
We just think that it has been greatly exaggerated.

Jew who survived the oven here. I pretended to die, and dug myself out from the ground after they buried me. It's true.

You only need to know what our media tells you.

>>950991
agree

>>950991
But if the majority of deaths were from starvation and bad hygeine and the number is millions less than originally reported, then it's hardly a holocaust at all.

Can someone prove the holocaust didn't happen to me? I've been reading a lot about it lately, and now I'm not so sure.

>>951022
Prove they were gassed.

The holocaust happened, however it wasn't just Jews. It was socialists, communists, gypsies, the destitute.... Jews just want people to think it was just them. Also, this.
>>950991

lol.

20 million russians died during the second world war.

where the fuck do jews get off complaining?

>>951013

You forget the Einsatzgruppen.

>>950985
every time you eat a marshmallow.. you digest the evidence.

>>951034


I can't, but you taking a trip to Auchwitz could.

>>951013
> Just a lil' holocaust

>>951047

many people include all nazi atrocities as part of the holocaust.

But the Jews are largely identified with the holocaust because there was a deliberate and industrialized effort made to literally round up exterminate them.

The deaths of 20 million Russians mainly came about through actual warfare rather than meticulous and methodical destruction of a race of peoples, although this makes it no more acceptable.

The reason why so many find the holocaust so horrible is the deliberate industrializetion of exterminating a race of peoples.

Are gypsies in the jewish conspiracy as well?

>>951091
All that means to me is that jews were too fucking pussy to fight back.

>>951119
No they're just scum

>>951091
"...rather than meticulous and methodical destruction of a race of peoples..."
Wat? What's this?!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Barbarossa

It was poorly managed internment camps to keep enemies of the nation/state away (read up on the knife in the back ploy during ww1 by the jews to understand why they rounded them up). It was no different that the camps in the U.S. for the japanese or the camps in Europe for the germans, just the Nazi's were already all shades of fucked, so they could hardly spare anything for the camps, add that with typhoid, and you have a virtual rotting pit

>>951065
>baww we are jews, we want first class trains, chairs, sanitary services, in middle of a war

Actually the ones who killed more jews were the allies bombing the german railroads

>>951129

granted operation Barbossa was about anihilation and eventual depopulation of eastern Europe for German colonization.

However it never reached the point where "russians" by virtue of being russian where sent to concentration camps to be gassed. It may well have had the Nazis been sucesfull.

The historical nazi obsession and hatred of the Jews was also more profound and they where the first and foremost targets of their ire. .

but like I said, the deaths of 20 million russians is as great a crime if not more sothan the deaths of 20 million jews, and it should probably get more recognition.

Up to 10 million people died in the Ukraine genocide of 1932. This was caused by the Russia leaders, most of who were jewish (e.g. Lazar Kaganovich). So anyone can be a genocidal maniac, not just the nazis.

Except that the Americans didn't send Japanese to any gas chambers.

The Nazi hatred and desire to exterminate the Jews has a long history and is well documented, it had been expressed as one of Hitler's own desires in his rhetoric and in Mein Kampft, before the outbreak of World War 2 Hitler proclaimed that if there was another world war, the result would "not be the defeat of the german nation, but the extermination of the Jewish race is Europe", or words to that effect.

There is no point in denying the Holocaust, the evidence is there and nazi leaders themselves expressed a desire for such a thing. If you are a Nazi sympathisers you should simply own it. You can argue about whether what the Nazi's did was right or wrong, but you can't argue with historical fact.

there are surviors. are you saying they are all lieing or hallucinated?

>>951122

The Jews did not have a nation state, it was quite impossible for the mainly civilian Jewish population to fight back against well armed and well trained German soldiers.

>>951197
except the gas chambers show no trace of any lethal chemicals, i believe a jew himself debunked the one that turned into a museum, you know, auschwitz

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=976870941610001004#

Sage for Stormfaggotry and Neo-Nazism.

>>951211
>>951211

>except the gas chambers show no trace of any lethal chemicals

They show no trace today because it has been 65 years since it occurred.

They did show traces after the camp was liberated.

>>951202
no, there was definately some violence and blind murder on the Nazi part, but not 6 million worthy

an avid anti-israel jew named Norman Finklestein had his parents killed in the camps

so are the gypsies part of the conspiracy too?

>>951232

oh so it's ok, only a few million died in the concentration camps, not 6 million. That makes it all alright.

Nazi Germany was what it was, there is no escaping that, you cannot rehabilitate them from their well documented crimes. Either own them and take pride in what the rest of us consider atrocities, or shut up.

Any fact is impossible to prove to the sufficiently stupid.

>>951211
Were they decorative? i confus

>>951274
I'm not saying they were a good people, they were mass murderers, but not to the scale of a demonic army

And fuck you, there is grey area in this topic, Nothing boils down to just "for me or against me"

Rich Jew bankers started World War II to form the state of Israel. At first that seems odd, but remember that to high-level Zionist Jews, the average Jew is just another goyim sucker.

So Jews, unless you're receiving your monthly dividend from the Global Jewish Conspiracy, you'd best stop supporting Israeli Zionists.

ITT

USA imprisoned Japanese americans too by the thousands, without any trial or anything. If USA had been on the losing side, the conditions on these camps would've degraded too to the point where prisoners would've died to bad hygiene and starvation. Plus, at that point americans would hate japanese and germans to the death, so it wouldn't be surprising to see them do a little holocaust too.

>>951326
Lolwut? Unfounded assumptions, mang. Many people hated slants during the war and krauts to a far larger degree in WWI. Degradation of liberties =/= intent for genocide.

>>951326

ITT: We make shit up in an attempt to justify actual crimes.

>>951325

>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Performative_contradiction

nice try bro

>>951311

Really? I thought Hitler started World War 2 when he invaded Poland.

Huh, I guess it was just the Liberal media and Zionist historians lying to me again

There are people still alive today who lived thorough it.

Visit Auchwitz.

>>951358
I didn't say anything about holocaust being an unacceptable act, nor did I say anything about whether I doubt the official numbers, now did I?

>>951363
>Huh, I guess it was just the Liberal media and Zionist historians lying to me again

Agreed. These Jews are clever fuckers, you know. They managed to buy the ENTIRE body of historians. Beware the Jews.

Are there any depths these fuckers won't sink to?

>>951371
Is that anywhere near Auschwitz?

>>951376
Don't blame them so much, even the most retarted things can be made to seem logical. It is our ability with our 'intelligence'.

Sigh.

>>951375

>implying

>>951381

MAKE WAY FOR THE INTERNET SPELLING POLICE

i don't understand the neo nazi holocaust denial, if you hate jews shouldn't you be happy and proud about it?

>>951325
>Fix'd

>>951389
What?

I'm the kind of guy to defend both sides of the argument, even against my own if I figure a flaw in it. Maybe I want to cool down people this way.

Anyway, the way Israel has acted these past decades, it comes increasingly apparent how they have exaggerated the holocaust, even today.

>>951398

This one always makes me scratch my head. Neo Nazis simultaneously deny the holocaust, but say that the extermination of the Jews would be a good thing.

>>951398
My guess, they survived and turned a generations suffering into a trump card as well as cash cow

>>951406
Having a genocide on your record doesn't look good when trying to make a genocidal ideology look viable again.

>>951404

Israel is a horrible apartheid pariah state.

That in now way diminishes the evidence for the Holocaust.

Ad hominem to the extreme there.

You are a sophistocated neo nazi "concern troll". Nice try, but you fail.

You think Holocaust denial is retarded? Wait until they try to deny 9/11...

>>951404
>Implying Israel had anything to do with the Holocaust, and wasn't simply an outcome.

In fact, if you want to blame anyone for the formation of Israel, blame Hitler.

BWUAHAHA.

>>951406
They deny the exaggeration because Jews abuse it, and they don't like it when people are bought in this way to support everything they do this day, even if it has nothing to do with the holocaust.

>>951147
> keep enemies of the nation/state away
what makes you think every.single.jew. wanted to destroy germany?

Come on guys, the last incarnation of /new/, /n/ was repurposed because of racism and retarded threads like this. Report this shit if you want /new/ to last.

>>951418

Jews took proportionate casualties in the Second World War if you count the global Jewish population. 6 million is child's play regardless of the methods when you're dealing with 100's of millions of military and civilian casualties.

>>951409

>My guess

See that's the problem, it is just your fucking guess, your opinion, based on your prejudices, but not based on any sort of fact.

No doubt there are those who exploit the suffering of those who died in the holocaust for their own gain, but you risk tarring an entire people for the actions of the few.

sage the neo nazi faggot

>>951423
yes, but hitler was just a puppet of the jews, so it was actually the jews who made hitler help the creation of israel, THOSE SNEAKY BASTARDS!

>>951446
don't just sage, it doesn't nothing except you reply without bumping. report for rule violation. this is NOT on topic.

The six million number is a symbolic number as stated in the Jewish Torah.

''Six million Jews must vanish before a LEGITIMATE state of Israel can be created''

This does NOT mean they have to die though. They could of immigrated elsewhere while the war raged on, and flew under the radar.

where are all the gays/commies/gypsies who survived saying that it didn't happen to the jews?

>>951439
well see, there is no way to have a discussion on this matter without an opinion

what do you want to say? 6 million died? That's still very debatable

The nazi's had a zeal against jews? again, debatable

that some are profitting off the dismay of others, again, debatable

you can't say your side is fact or proven opinion, and the other side is just word of mouth

>>951418
What do you count as evidence?

>>951455

>using religious texts as a source

Wow, clutching at straws much?

>>951463

Your "opnion" on whether the holocaust did or did not happen is irrelevant in the face of evidence.

>>951455
>>951455
>>951152
>>951152

Truth.

>>951013
don't forget typhus

Typhus epidemics killed inmates in the Nazi Germany concentration camps; infamous pictures of typhus victims' mass graves can be seen in footage shot at Bergen-Belsen concentration camp.[6] Thousands of prisoners held in appalling conditions in Nazi concentration camps such Theresienstadt and Bergen-Belsen also died of typhus during World War II[6], including Anne Frank at the age of 15 and her sister Margot.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epidemic_typhus

Sorry for huge font

>>951466

>Implying Zionists didn't side with Hitler to form the state of Israel.

>Implying a prophecy thousands of years old DIDN'T come true.

>Implying other prophecies in religious context haven't come true since then.

>>951473
Evidence like soap made out of jew fat and lampshades from human skin?

What if there were no stormfags?

>>951465

Lets see, evidence, evidence.

Countless concentration camps Liberated by the Allies and Soviets purposed for the internment and extermination of Jews.

Survivors of the concentration camps testifying to what went on at them

Nazi records documenting the methodical liquidation of Jews/other enemies of the state

testomony of Adolph Eichmann and other Nazi leaders, and of Nazi soldiers/middle men who worked at the camps.

The dissapearance of millions of Jews from the face of europe.

The Nazi's own rhetoric and writings expressing the desire to exterminate the Jews and implement the final solution.

>>951466

I guess you can ignore the other all of the other prophecies that have come true within the past 80 years. It's all a coincidence that a religious book from the bronze age stated them all and they all happened.

>>951495


THIS IS WHAT NEO NAZIS ACTUALLY BELIEVE

>>951508

Best be trolling.

But I'll humour you.

How many of the prohpecies have come true? Can you name any of them?

And how many prophecies have come true vs how many that haven't.

>>951473
>>951473

-Only 5 1/2 millions of Jews lived in all pre-war Europe, millions survived. Where did the 6 million killed come from?
-Modern American prison and crematorium incinerators consume one human body in 8 hours, yet two in Auschwitz supposedly burned 25,000 in just 24 hours.
-Lamp shades of human skin, soap of human fat photos of stacked bodies were all propaganda hoaxes.
-There's no German documents ever found mentioning any plan to exterminate Jewish population.
-There's no mass grave and piles of human ashes ever found.
-Most deaths in German camp came in the last 90 days of war of typhus and starvation due to Allies saturation bombing of German food source and supplies.

you confuse opinions and facts because it disrupts your little bubble

>>951506
>The dissapearance of millions of Jews from the face of europe.
Give me a definite answer.

Was there any official records of all populace in Europe, by the way? With the war and all, I'd imagine it becomes hard to keep track on what really happens to people.

>>951506

>The dissapearance of millions of Jews from the face of europe.

World Almanac, 1940, pg. 129: World Jewish Population- 15,319,359

World Almanac, 1949, pg. 289: World Jewish Population- 15,713,638

World Almanac, 1996, pg. 646: World Jewish Population- 14,117,000

>>951512
>>951494

Oops. that was meant for that.

Report, report, report. I beseech you!

>>951225
Plenty of ink-blue zyklon b stains on the walls of some of the buildings.

>>951526
>World Almanac gambit

Love you, Neo-Nazis.

>>951523

citation needed on all those claims

>>951525

>Was there any official records of all populace in Europe, by the way?

Yes, there where official census records from pretty much all the countries of europe at the time. don't ask me to track them down for you because I dont think you can do that even with google.

What's more, there where official documents at the nazi camps documenting the extermination of Jews and others there.

>>951521

Just to name a few...

1: State of Israel formed as a homeland for Jews.

2: Abolition of private property from Jews and non-jews alike. (Communism, an ideology invented by a Jewish communist and Zionist, Karl Marx that advocated for this in the very first plank of the Communist Manifesto)

3: Jews being the ''divine rulers of this planet'' The fact they make up 0.2% of the world population yet they have heavy influence on European and American governments in all sectors of politics, economy, foreign relations and public opinion.

>>951539
www.google.com

>>951376
>implying buying off is the only way to influence
opinion, rather than threat of imprisonment
>sarcasm fail

explain then why people have been imprisoned for asserting holocaust revisionist claims? Why imprison people?
Historians don't need to be "bought off" as you joke, if they can and have been locked away.

>To communicate anything to a Goy about our religious relations would be equal to the killing of all Jews, for if the Goyim knew what we teach about them, they would kill us openly.

Gee, I wonder why all of those pogroms happened to the Jews for thousands of years on end? Maybe their Talmud and Torah preach things us Non-Jews find threatening?

Everyone here should read both pieces of literature. I assure you that your hatred for Jews will rise regardless. They are both very impressive pieces of work.

In regard to the hated for Jews, I would only direct to towards Zionists. Not every Jewish person believes in such diatribe.

>>951535

>Implying those are lies.

>>951562

Google isn't a source you moron. Give me some actual places where you found that "information". Let me guess, you heard it somewhere on the stormfront forums.

Now, I know Wikipedia isn;t the most accurate source of information....no wait, actually studies show [citation needed] it is about as accurate as any published encylopedia Britanica.

Anyhow, it is more accurate than anything you will ever read on a stormfront forum, especially the ones which are completely cited and unable to be edited by the general populace, such as the article on the Holocaust.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holocaust

Now I know this might be hard for you to accept, but it's never too late for anyone to turn away from the path of ignorance, even you, my little neo nazi friend. Go, enlighten yourself and see the light of truth.

>>951550
At least that's what the legend tells us. After so many years it becomes increasingly more difficult to tell. And even if the neo-nazi side was right, in that case there really would be cencorship etc in place, making things even more difficult. But any sane person would call that paranoia and insanity. But still, it does boggle my mind, Israel today. I don't think I care though, I just participate on these discussions like it was a hobby.

>>951523
>-Only 5 1/2 millions of Jews lived in all pre-war Europe
proof from a reputable source(i.e. not David Duke)?
>-Modern American prison and crematorium incinerators consume one human body in 8 hours,
i don't have the technical knowledge to dispute this, but have you got a source you can link me to?
>yet two in Auschwitz supposedly burned 25,000 in just 24 hours.
why 25000 in 24 hrs.?

>-There's no German documents ever found mentioning any plan to exterminate Jewish population.
what about the Nuremberg trials with nazi officers testifying about it? AFAIK Goebbels diary explicitly mentions it, but i don't remember where's the quote

>-Most deaths in German camp came in the last 90 days of war of typhus and starvation due to Allies saturation bombing of German food source and supplies.
citation from a reputable source?

Denying the holocaust lands you in jail for 1-10 years in Central Europe. Yet Holodomor, The Armenian genocide and the deaths of millions in Soviet Gulag's isn't recognized nearly as enough, and you are free to deny those happened.

Hmm...