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    80 KB Anonymous 05/13/10(Thu)15:57 No.936414  
    American here wondering why our education system is in shambles.
    >> Anonymous 05/13/10(Thu)15:58 No.936423
    >>936414
    they let blacks in school
    >> Anonymous 05/13/10(Thu)15:58 No.936427
    immigrants and minorities who think the purpose of schools is to raise their children
    >> Anonymous 05/13/10(Thu)15:59 No.936433
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    Pic related
    >> Anonymous 05/13/10(Thu)15:59 No.936434
    >>936414
    Teacher's Unions
    >> Anonymous 05/13/10(Thu)16:01 No.936450
    Liberals
    >> Anonymous 05/13/10(Thu)16:01 No.936452
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    Texas board of education?
    >> Anonymous 05/13/10(Thu)16:02 No.936458
    >>936452

    Can't really blame since those text books aren't even written yet.
    >> Anonymous 05/13/10(Thu)16:02 No.936464
    >>936452
    no you fucking idiot, that shit hasn't even been enacted yet.
    >> Anonymous 05/13/10(Thu)16:03 No.936466
    >>936414
    Emphasis on standardized examination scores as progress indicators

    Teachers disallowed from having any conversations about current events that would aid critical thinking abilities, out of fear that the students would be indoctrinated in some way

    No "advanced" classes or paths/programs for gifted students until High School due to political correctness

    Poorly performing students are lumped in with the gifted ones instead of being put in vocational school
    >> Anonymous 05/13/10(Thu)16:04 No.936476
    >>936423
    >>936423
    >>936423
    http://martynemko.blogspot.com/2009/06/white-teacher-speaks-out-what-is-it.html
    >> Anonymous 05/13/10(Thu)16:04 No.936478
    Science started disproving religious beliefs so the christians,whose faith is not strong enough to face criticism, got inconvenient facts taken out of curriculum. Another thing the christ nuts have fucked up.
    >> Anonymous 05/13/10(Thu)16:04 No.936480
    Because while it remains in shambles, there is an astonishingly large portion of American people who are in favor of cutting more funding.

    Because the one thing we need more than ever in this fine country, is more complacent company for the morons that inhabit it.
    >> Anonymous 05/13/10(Thu)16:04 No.936481
    Forced curriculum and teachers being prohibited from teaching students on an individual basis based upon their actual capabilities.
    >> Anonymous 05/13/10(Thu)16:04 No.936486
    >>936466

    don't forget tenured teachers that don't give a shit because they know they could never be fired so why bother.
    >> lol i trol u !!FXIYoStbOnd 05/13/10(Thu)16:04 No.936488
    Because when you integrated African-Americans into your school system, you had to dumb down the curriculum enough so that a population with a mean IQ of 85 could reliably pass it.

    That is why.

    Oh, and it can't be fixed, because making the curriculum tougher will cause most blacks to fail it, leading to accusations of racism, and seperating the schools into fast and slow tracks will mean most blacks will instantly end up in the slow track, leading to accusations of racism.

    Enjoy.
    >> Anonymous 05/13/10(Thu)16:07 No.936513
    > American here wondering why our education system is in shambles.

    You're assuming our education system is there to educate. It's not. It's there to test. You can either learn on your own or you can't.
    >> Anonymous 05/13/10(Thu)16:08 No.936530
    Sure is republicunt in here.
    >> Anonymous 05/13/10(Thu)16:08 No.936537
    case in point
    >> Anonymous 05/13/10(Thu)16:09 No.936544
    Dropped out of school at 7th grade.
    Self taught. Went for my GED.
    .
    .
    ...I did so well, they gave me a bona-fide highschool diploma.
    >> Anonymous 05/13/10(Thu)16:10 No.936561
    >>936513
    It is there to educate moron.
    >> Anonymous 05/13/10(Thu)16:11 No.936573
    >>936486

    It really varies from teacher to teacher, though. If teachers were allowed to do their own thing instead of teaching the state curriculum to help students pass state exams, things would be much better. Abolishing tenure is cool I guess, as long as the system for punishing and/or firing underachievers isn't totally draconian.
    >> Anonymous 05/13/10(Thu)16:11 No.936574
    >live in Michigan
    >huge focus on education because there are no more factory jobs
    >cut budget of school funding
    >retract promise scholarship (about $2000 per student going to college)

    Nice way of screwing yourself over again. And you wonder why the unemployment rate is so high.
    >> Anonymous 05/13/10(Thu)16:13 No.936601
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    Watch this and facepalm, yes it is real.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rlAjTQO11V0
    >> Anonymous 05/13/10(Thu)16:15 No.936614
    >>936573

    I'm not saying all tenured teachers are lazy and don't bother. But there is a lot. Get rid of tenure and give them an incentive to produce high quality students.

    I had a teacher once that use to say:

    "I taught them, they just didn't learn".

    Also, environment that students are taught in also makes a big difference.

    Materials also make a big difference. Hard for students to test out in state exams on history when their isn't any in the text books.

    etc etc etc etc
    >> Anonymous 05/13/10(Thu)16:18 No.936646
    NLCB didn't help.

    in during LIBERALS MINORITIES DERP
    >> Anonymous 05/13/10(Thu)16:19 No.936666
    >>936433
    That's because education is a state thing.
    >> Ω !aRAozRzGrI 05/13/10(Thu)16:20 No.936670
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    Because liberals aren't harsh and meritocratic enough, because education is organized and funded inefficiently at the local level, because conservatives want to teach theocracy in classes, because Americans are just generally stupid, because we have an inferior culture, and because we couldn't get anything done in this country to improve things if we wanted to.

    I like the traditional japanese model for training. You have the children compete against each other. If you are bested, you sink in the ranks. If you are the best, you advance. You keep advancing until you can't advance any more. Competition places you where you belong.

    Organize the children into cohesive military-like squads, instead of classes of 30 or 40. Three subordinates to a sergeant, three squads to a captain, three captains to a class under one well qualified teacher. Using the captains and sergeants to enforce order. That's a class of 40, but organized instead of chaotic. Demotions and promotions, seniority and competitive grading give the teacher the tools they need to keep order from day to day. The children learn teamwork and how to organize themselves for later in life (after advancing through such a system for many years.)

    We also need earlier education, but the model we have is entirely unsuitable for 3 year olds, but that's when education has to start. When they're 7 and entering school, it's already too late to help their minds develop the critical analytical skills and curiosity and recall that determine overall intelligence. Parents have to be involved in that, but we lack communities in the USA, so parents cannot easily coordinate and organized social childcare. We need so many changes, it's hard to know where to start. Not to mention ideology gets in the way and prevents any change, not to mention meaningful change. The local level, free of big government has clearly failed, though.
    >> Anonymous 05/13/10(Thu)16:21 No.936687
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    >>936476
    >My students had only the vaguest notion of who pays for government services. For them, it was like a magical piggy bank that never goes empty. One black girl was exhorting the class on the need for more social services and I kept trying to explain that people, real live people, are taxed for the money to pay for those services. “Yeah, it come from whites,” she finally said. “They stingy anyway.”

    >“Many black people make over $50,000 dollars a year and you would also be taking away from your own people,” I said.

    >She had an answer to that: “Dey half breed.” The class agreed. I let the subject drop.

    >my face


    >>936614
    Yes, and a lot of it as cultural, as ^^ indicates.
    >> Anonymous 05/13/10(Thu)16:21 No.936694
    >>936670
    You had me until the third paragraph. wtf?
    >> Anonymous 05/13/10(Thu)16:22 No.936701
    I went to public school from 5th grade onwards.

    With the exception of mathematics, everything I learned was from reading books. I didn't learn anything really new until College.
    >> Anonymous 05/13/10(Thu)16:24 No.936719
    >>936433

    Obvious product of the US education system.
    >> Anonymous 05/13/10(Thu)16:25 No.936741
    >>936670

    Doesn't have to be quite so militaristic. The nuns had the right idea with rulers. 40 kids. All well behaved. Only a couple of scars on the knuckles.
    >> Anonymous 05/13/10(Thu)16:26 No.936752
    Because America sucks
    >> Anonymous 05/13/10(Thu)16:27 No.936759
    >>936414

    Niggers
    >> Anonymous 05/13/10(Thu)16:28 No.936769
    >>936741
    Obedient kids=/=well educated kids
    >> Ω !aRAozRzGrI 05/13/10(Thu)16:29 No.936788
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    >>936694

    What about it don't you like? They should be ranked and organized, if you're going to have 40 children t 1 adult. Have them assigned randomly to squads and strictly forbid switching to be with friends. This whole system keeps bullies in check without forcing a nanny-state solution. The squads can be incentivized with various sticks and carrots to help each other learn, protect each other from bullies, and compartmentalize and organize the children with real rewards and punishments able to be handed out by the teacher with a swift demotion, playing the children against each other instead of against the teacher. I can see this being especially valuable in inner city schools, and combating the 'acting white' culture that niggers have. It would do wonders to fight anti-intellectualism and bad boy bullshit.

    Instead of telling you why it IS a good idea, why don't you tell me why it ISN'T. I can't see any reason it shouldn't be done, especially with so many students per teacher that we have class sizes of 40 now days. This organizes that number to be much more manageable.
    >> Anonymous 05/13/10(Thu)16:31 No.936807
    Cold War curriculum on history remains, which is why so many morons think we won WW2 single handed. Also why so many people think we won 1812, and that the French didn't help us in the revolution.
    >> Anonymous 05/13/10(Thu)16:31 No.936814
    >>936769

    Disobedient, undisciplined students are not as inclined to learn. They do not pay attention, they are unorganized, and they will not be interested in what is to be learned.
    >> Anonymous 05/13/10(Thu)16:34 No.936850
    >>936788

    >implying people aren't bullied in the army.
    >> Anonymous 05/13/10(Thu)16:36 No.936879
    >>936788

    Holy shit, you have a good idea for once.
    >> Ω !aRAozRzGrI 05/13/10(Thu)16:42 No.936932
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    >>936850

    The army isn't organized that efficiently, and the teacher sees the whole chain of command. The sergeants and captains are under her direct supervision, they're just there to help create and enforce order. They compete against the other squads, to get ranked the highest and thus advance and get rewards. Therefore, they band together against the other children to compartmentalize the risk of bullying.

    You're not going to eliminate bullying, but you can reduce it and control it. Hell, I think children should have insult games to toughen them up against verbal 'abuse,' but physical bullying is what I'm trying to reduce. This system would do that a lot better than zero-tolerance policies and metal detectors in the halls.
    >> Anonymous 05/13/10(Thu)16:42 No.936937
    >>936414

    Baby Boomers.
    >> Ω !aRAozRzGrI 05/13/10(Thu)16:43 No.936940
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    >>936879

    >Implying all my ideas aren't god tier.
    >> Anonymous 05/13/10(Thu)16:45 No.936964
    >>936932
    I like the idea of your system, but it will be really demoralising for the students on the bottom; they'd probably end up doing fuck all, meanwhile the sgts/captains/whatever will get some false sense of superiority.

    Do like the league table within a school, as a highly competitive person, particularly in academics, I would like that. Do it by subject though; a kid no good at art being dragged down from the top would be unfair really.
    >> Anonymous 05/13/10(Thu)16:47 No.936994
    >>936964

    Not everyone is a winner.
    >> Anonymous 05/13/10(Thu)16:50 No.937035
    >>936994
    Not the point. Would you go to school if you knew you were gonna be the bottom of the chain? That you were considered by everybody less intelligent?

    I fucking wouldn't.
    >> Ω !aRAozRzGrI 05/13/10(Thu)16:51 No.937044
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    >>936964

    You really think being shit at art would drag you down? It's a subjective class, and they grade you on participation. Art shouldn't be taught in schools, and academic money should not fund sports or chess teams, either. That is not what schools are for. It should be fine, as long as the property taxes given to schools aren't being spent on it. It's just not for that sort of thing. If the people want that, then they can come to the council meeting for their town and create a separate fund for high school football and extracurriculars.

    Furthermore, how could it be demoralizing for 'those on the bottom?' Everyone would get placed where they belong, so everyone would be doing the roughly the same after it equalized, only the ages would differ.
    >> Anonymous 05/13/10(Thu)16:54 No.937067
    >>936788

    I'm all for more incentives for kids to learn, but telling them who they can hang around with and encouraging divisions is a bit too far.
    >> Anonymous 05/13/10(Thu)16:54 No.937072
    >>937044
    Wait so will the captains all be in a seperate class doing higher level work, or the same class doing higher level work? I think you've lost me.

    Agree on only Academia being taught at schools however. Should still have some sport though, it's good for team building, exercise etc.

    Teacher in training here by the way.
    >> Anonymous 05/13/10(Thu)16:55 No.937088
    >>937035

    You're looking at it the wrong way. It's not that the kid at the bottom is the worst at anything. In fact that system Omega was talking about, the kid at the bottom is just as important as anyone else because it is his work that allows the group as whole to advance. He gets directed by the higher ranks, but in this sense the higher ranks are acting as functionaries of the Teacher, not for their own reasons. The higher ranks are there to foster competition and organization between the squads, and to support, not belittle the people below them.
    >> Anonymous 05/13/10(Thu)16:57 No.937100
    MTV, the Hip Hops and facebooker, that's why.
    >> Anonymous 05/13/10(Thu)16:57 No.937101
    >>937088
    Well, where the fuck does the learning take place in this? Sounds like a fucking summer activity group more than school.
    >> Anonymous 05/13/10(Thu)16:57 No.937108
    >>937035

    Doesn't also encourage team work. One group against another. Something that happens in the real world everyday.
    >> Anonymous 05/13/10(Thu)17:00 No.937138
    >>937101

    Because the teacher is handing assignments in various academic subjects for the kids to do. The teacher is just saying additionally "the first Squad to finish their assignment correctly will gain 3 points, the second squad will gain 2 points, the 3rd squad will gain 1 point, and the 4th squad will gain 0 points. Do your best!"
    >> Anonymous 05/13/10(Thu)17:02 No.937165
    >>937138
    Group assignments? Where will you be able to extract the individual raw talent from in that case?
    >> Ω !aRAozRzGrI 05/13/10(Thu)17:06 No.937201
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    >>937067

    What's your alternative, then. Since you're all for incentivizing learning?

    Throw money at them? We don't have infinite resources, nor would that be the best idea if we did. You're not forbidding them from hanging out with friends outside of school. But you most definitely ARE encouraging rivalry. That's what competition is all about. As an aside, money should never be given out straight up, but things that cost money could be given as rewards. Resources go further that way, and you can experiment and find what works.
    >> Anonymous 05/13/10(Thu)17:06 No.937202
    >>936414
    there's no inscentive for a school to be a 'good school'. only to get high enough scores on certain tests so as to secure their jobs and funds.
    >> Anonymous 05/13/10(Thu)17:07 No.937214
    >>937165

    Through a mixture of group and mass individual assignments. Sometimes the assignment will be to give a presentation on Civil War Reconstruction (an obvious group assignment) but also could be giving every kid an individual assignment to do, like in math or science. There's peer review going on in the form of answer checking. You've never done group assignments, have you? Because specialization (and through that, raw talent) always, always shows itself within short order.
    >> Anonymous 05/13/10(Thu)17:07 No.937220
    Plenty of extremely bright students who have mental, physical or social problems aren't given the proper help they need to develop intellectually, because schools are all one-size-fits-all.

    You won't find eccentric geniuses anymore. Or, you will, but they won't be successful. They will be homeless.
    >> Anonymous 05/13/10(Thu)17:10 No.937255
    >>937214
    Yeah but that means the teacher will need to be hawking over all the groups to see the specialisation taking place

    >>937220
    Very valid point.
    >> Ω !aRAozRzGrI 05/13/10(Thu)17:13 No.937296
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    Even though I like the idea of group organization, I hate the idea of group assignments. Every group assignment I was ever given resulted in me and maybe one other person doing the work. Unless you can implement a system where every member has reason to do their best, above all other concerns (socializing, bad boy bullshit, or just laziness), it would be a shitty idea.

    Advancement in grade, and advancement in rank motivate groups to help their members, and compete against other groups.
    >> Anonymous 05/13/10(Thu)17:14 No.937298
    >encouraging rivalry
    >everyone put in their place
    >not handing out money to everyone

    huh? I thought you were anti libertarian omega
    >> Anonymous 05/13/10(Thu)17:15 No.937313
    >>937201

    An incentive isn't just money, it can be an unwanted consequence of failure.

    Generally, people who don't want to learn won't bother no matter what you do, whilst people who do want to learn will get on with it.

    The answer is to run more apprenticeships and vocational courses for those who don't want to learn.
    >> Ω !aRAozRzGrI 05/13/10(Thu)17:17 No.937336
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    >>937298

    I'm a true libertarian. I'm anti pseudo-libertarian. Poser conservatives GTFO.
    >> Anonymous 05/13/10(Thu)17:17 No.937342
    >>936414
    Individuals receive or ignore their own educations. Libraries are free ya know?
    >> Anonymous 05/13/10(Thu)17:19 No.937357
    >>936601
    The sad thing is that some of the other candidates (I honestly can't remember, they are all pretty much fucking idiots) support cutting spending for education to the college system. Which is certainly what the colleges need. Less money. Sometimes I hate Alabama. HURR HE LIEK EVOLUTION, HE DUM LIBERAL. God.
    >> Ω !aRAozRzGrI 05/13/10(Thu)17:19 No.937360
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    >>937313

    I agree, that should be done. If they don't want to learn they should learn a trade and GTFO. And I wasn't >implying that incentives were purely financial. Social sticks and carrots are more powerful than financial ones.
    >> Anonymous 05/13/10(Thu)17:24 No.937436
    >>937357
    College costs are extremely high precisely because government's give so much money to the system.
    >> Anonymous 05/13/10(Thu)17:25 No.937438
    29 kid class size, 15 average, 7 clever, 7 stupid. Limited resources and support means the teacher spends 50% of the time teaching the middle, and 50% of the time dealing with behavior problems from the retards. The smartest kids have very few resources devoted to them until high school. By high school the students who could have really done something have given up, learned helplessness, otherwise been disenfrachised. The jock with the easy classes and the easy-A because he's quarter back is valedictorian.

    The school still passes most of the students, and we know about 2/3 of them are not really ready to go on to college but they are convinced they are because they graduated high school. The colleges have to dumb down to avoid losing their students by failing them all.

    There's always a student who is going to go far, no matter what. But for every student who rises out of poverty and crisis because of 75% of resources being spent on him, another 50 kids are going to check out and fail.
    >> Anonymous 05/13/10(Thu)17:25 No.937445
    Why does this school system you propose sound too much like this?

    >Where some states have an army, the Prussian Army has a state!

    The fact that you used a picture of a prussian king didn't really help.
    >> Anonymous 05/13/10(Thu)17:26 No.937453
    >>937445
    Prussians are just proto-Nazis. Fuck 'em.
    >> Anonymous 05/13/10(Thu)17:27 No.937468
    >>937436
    I take it you are referring to the colleges taking the government money to spend on expensive endeavors and then making up the difference needed for mundane things with tuition money?
    >> Ω !aRAozRzGrI 05/13/10(Thu)17:29 No.937492
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    >>937445

    If Frederick the Great was a proto-Nazi, then give me my armband.
    >> Anonymous 05/13/10(Thu)17:29 No.937494
    >>937360

    Which is why I am against the rise in school leaving age to 18 in Britain. All that will happen is more disruptive kids in school who don't want to be there, putting more stress on teachers and class sizes. They'll come out with some crap qualifications that won't be worth the paper they're printed on while they could have been doing an apprenticeship and contributing to society.
    >> OP !xTbfEU4TEM 05/13/10(Thu)17:33 No.937535
    >>937492
    you are a libertarian? What about socialized health care?
    >> Anonymous 05/13/10(Thu)17:35 No.937547
    >>937492

    DOGS! WOULD YOU LIVE FOREVER?
    >> Anonymous 05/13/10(Thu)17:36 No.937554
    >>937492
    Am I missing the connection between Fascist Italy and Frederick the Great or did you just post the wrong picture?
    >> Anonymous 05/13/10(Thu)17:37 No.937563
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    because scum like gail wiggan work for the school board. thats why.
    >> Anonymous 05/13/10(Thu)17:40 No.937592
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    that pretty much somes it up.
    if you have the one of here smoking post it. i don't have that one in my folder
    >> OP !xTbfEU4TEM 05/13/10(Thu)17:40 No.937593
    >>937492
    >>937554
    Looks like a video game. looks kinda like Alexander the great's empire though... But he never took over Arabia that I know of?
    >> Ω !aRAozRzGrI 05/13/10(Thu)17:40 No.937598
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    >>937535

    Yup, we need UHC. Anarcho-capitalism is not libertarianism. Economic freedom throws individual freedom under the tracks. Libertarianism is about freedom, not about tea party faggots protesting that taxation is theft and that the government should be abolished. Our founding fathers protested no taxation without representation, and these adult babies are protesting 'No taxation, period. Fuck the founding fathers!'

    Oblivious teashits will vote Republican. They are not libertarians. My own philosophy is about what works. HMOs and employer based healthcare has failed, and I see no problem with increased efficiency, preventative care, improving the quality of life, and putting parasites like insurance companies - that are free riding leeches who produce nothing - out of business.

    Why we couldn't have a public option with people choosing to opt in to the federal risk pool is beyond me. It's their money, and if they want to vote with their wallet towards single payer healthcare, they should be free to do so.
    >> Anonymous 05/13/10(Thu)17:42 No.937617
    >>937593
    Thats fascist Italy circa WW2 in one of the HoI games. I know what it is, I just don't see the relevance.
    >> Anonymous 05/13/10(Thu)17:43 No.937623
    Lack of a free market.

    /thread


    You know it to be true.
    >> Anonymous 05/13/10(Thu)17:43 No.937627
    >>937593
    It's Hearts of Iron 2 by Paradox Interactive. User interface should have given you the most vital information.
    >> Anonymous 05/13/10(Thu)17:44 No.937631
    >>936414
    No child left behind.
    >> Ω !aRAozRzGrI 05/13/10(Thu)17:44 No.937633
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    >>937554

    Because they were calling Frederick the Great a proto-nazi, which is hilarious. So I posted fascists. My pictures are rarely related in any meaningful way.

    Also: Alexander wouldn't have Iberia or Italy, it and would have Egypt and Persia instead.
    >> Anonymous 05/13/10(Thu)17:46 No.937645
    >>937633
    Only one person said prussians in general were proto-nazis. He propably should have used term proto-fascist as it would have been more accurate.
    >> Rikudou !PVvuHw8lII 05/13/10(Thu)17:47 No.937653
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    We didn't listen to Jefferson
    >> Anonymous 05/13/10(Thu)17:48 No.937657
    A mixture of bad government, lousy teachers, and poor parents. All three add up to stupid kids.
    >> Anonymous 05/13/10(Thu)17:50 No.937673
    >>937645
    Point taken.
    >> Anonymous 05/13/10(Thu)17:51 No.937685
    Why wouldn't the Japanese system work in the US?

    Why we have to spend money on people who don't WANT to learn?

    I say that by high school kids should be segregated into three tracks.

    1.Intelligent, highly motivated students who WANT to go to college and have the academic skills to succeed in college. Put them in Advanced Placement classes, teach them college level courses to allow them to have a better chance to win scholarships.

    2.Stupid, lazy kids who don't want to learn or go to college. Vocational school. Teach them just enough academics to pass the standardized tests and spend the rest of the day learning a trade. Have them do internships help them to pass whatever certifications they need to pass so they can go directly go to work or on to further training after high school.

    3.Kids who want to learn and go to college but need extra help. Have them take extra classes to catch up to the kids in track 1. If by junior year, they can't catch up, put them in track two.
    >> Anonymous 05/13/10(Thu)17:52 No.937700
    Most teachers have to follow a state curriculum. This needs to be abolished. We don't need rules and regulations in school. It'll just lead to lower and lower standards for niggers. Teachers should have the ability to put whatever the fuck on their tests. The student shall think critically about what they learn, and not just follow some basic plan in order to just pass a standardized test at the end of the year.

    Also, if a kid stops trying in school, we should stop trying on the kid. Let the fucking kid fall. I can't fucking stand when money goes to special aid to low motivated, hip gangster wannabes.
    >> Anonymous 05/13/10(Thu)17:53 No.937710
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    >>937685
    Because we aren't soulless rat people, bred only to conform.

    That doesn't mean that we don't desperately need a firm education system that doesn't tolerate bullshit, though.
    >> Anonymous 05/13/10(Thu)17:53 No.937713
    natural selection. niggers and drunks breed.
    (though the two groups are not mutually exclusive.)
    >> Anonymous 05/13/10(Thu)17:57 No.937747
    >>937685

    isn't that German thinking? YOU TAKE TEST. YOU SCORE WELL? YOU ARE FUTURE LEADER OR HIGHLY TRAINED PROFESSIONAL. YOU SCORE POORLY? YOU LEARN A TRADE.
    >> Anonymous 05/13/10(Thu)18:01 No.937773
    >>937747
    If I recall correctly, the communists did this as well.
    But I think he's suggesting that we only spend money on kids who want to learn, instead of telling them what to do.
    A sort of "You don't want to go to school? Well we don't want you either."
    I dunno. That's my interpretation.
    >> Anonymous 05/13/10(Thu)18:04 No.937786
    No. No. No.

    All of you are talking as if there's some "magical fix" that'll change everything. There isn't. The problem lies in the kids themselves: they don't want to learn.

    It's that fucking simple.
    >> Anonymous 05/13/10(Thu)18:06 No.937801
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    >>937685
    >implying the japanese system works in japan

    The Japanese educational system is just as much of a clusterfuck, but in a different way - it is deadening and imposes a terrible culture of conformity that either crushes the life and creativity out of people or they passively aggressively rebel by becoming hikikomori (yes, hikikomori is basically a big fat "fuck you" to the normal society the first taste of which they got in school).

    I guess it produces better outcomes in theory - at least they're literate - but it also produces millions of people who don't give a shit about putting their intelligence to use and would rather fap to moeshit.
    >> Anonymous 05/13/10(Thu)18:07 No.937805
    because god hates smart people
    >> Anonymous 05/13/10(Thu)18:08 No.937816
    >>937786
    >implying this isn't a cultural problem.

    There's a reason Asians and Indians are dominating us, its because liberal culture is opposed to real education.
    >> Anonymous 05/13/10(Thu)18:09 No.937819
    because liberals run the schooling
    >> Ω !aRAozRzGrI 05/13/10(Thu)18:10 No.937827
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    >>937786

    Which implies that there is no way to fix the problem. The problem is culture. Both parents and children are excrement wrapped up in human flesh, and the schools get the children after their overall intelligence has been basically determined.

    Culture can be changed, but it takes determined action, systems of isolation, and lots of time and consistency.
    >> † Ad Majorem Dei Gloriam † † In Hoc Signo Vinces † 05/13/10(Thu)18:15 No.937850
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    Last night, I was reading a History textbook from 1981, (I think it was one of my father's college ones) and I must say, the difference between it and the textbooks I was raised on is IMMENSE.

    I have it in front of me right now, and here's a nice quote I found from Chapter 21, which deals with WWII:

    "Christianity, according to [Hitler], was also a fraud, invented by the Jews to make cowards of the Master Race...The Germans made Hitler their god. When they greeted each other, they no longer said "Grüss Gott" (God be with you!) but "Heil Hitler!" And anyone who used the old greeting was suspected of treason. They set up their own German Christian church to make Christianity serve the Master Race." (Page 537-538).

    I don't remember learning this in any History class. Sadly, my history classes hardly even touched on WWII...or any war for that matter. We instead spent time focusing on things like witch burning and Greek/Egyptian gods. Even my US History classes were terribly lacking of any REAL historical content. Instead, I was either either fed watered down neutral babble, or thinly-veiled attempts to make me embarrased of my own country...and for a while, it worked.

    Anyway, back to this AWESOME textbook. Here's a cool quote from Chapter 1, which dealt with early European exploration and what caused it:

    "Near the end of the Middle Ages, the Christians of Western Europe launched Crusades to take Jerusalem back from the Muslims." (Page 12)

    I NEVER EVER EVER learned THAT in my history class. In fact, I remember quite vividly that I was told how "cruel and senseless" the Crusades were, and how many innocent Muslims were helplessly slaughtered by the invasion of the "racist Christians."
    >> Anonymous 05/13/10(Thu)18:15 No.937851
    >>937816
    Absolutely correct. It has more to do with our culture than anything else. We're a self absorbed culture that raises it's kids to think they're entitled individuals who are free to do as they please, and that things will somehow magically always turn out right for them in the end. Asians and Hindus instill the need for their kids to focus and dedicate themselves on becoming productive and prosperous members of society.
    >> Anonymous 05/13/10(Thu)18:16 No.937856
    >>936414
    >>936414

    John Dewey
    >> Anonymous 05/13/10(Thu)18:19 No.937874
    >>937850

    It's shit, dude.
    >> Anonymous 05/13/10(Thu)18:19 No.937875
    >>937850
    >Near the end of the Middle Ages, the Christians of Western Europe launched Crusades to take Jerusalem back from the Muslims." (Page 12)

    >I NEVER EVER EVER learned THAT in my history class. In fact, I remember quite vividly that I was told how "cruel and senseless" the Crusades were, and how many innocent Muslims were helplessly slaughtered by the invasion of the "racist Christians."

    Both were correct you biblehumper. When christians took over Jerusalem they slaughtered everyone regardless of religion and sold even christians to slavery.
    >> Ω !aRAozRzGrI 05/13/10(Thu)18:20 No.937890
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    >>937874

    Ignore the christfag. He wants the USA to be a theocracy. He is not relevant to any discussion.
    >> Anonymous 05/13/10(Thu)18:20 No.937891
    teachers don't have enough respect/power. If a kid is fucking up, the parents kicks up a fuss, and the kid gets passed.

    A teacher wants to fail a student because they're too fucking stupid: school administrator stops it, because they feel there is no point to it.
    >> Anonymous 05/13/10(Thu)18:21 No.937895
    >>937875
    some of the later crusades even sacked christian churches for loot iirc
    >> † Ad Majorem Dei Gloriam † † In Hoc Signo Vinces † 05/13/10(Thu)18:22 No.937906
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    >>937875
    Yes yes I realize the Crusaders did some bad things. Nobody's denying that.

    But what I am saying is that I was not told WHY the Christians invaded the Holy Land.

    I was also not told about the previous 400 years of Muslim attacks and raids on Christian Europeans.

    (ie: Battle of Tours, when Charles Martel stopped Muslim armies from invading FRANCE, and in doing so saved Christianity from being wiped off the face of the Earth.)

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muslim_Conquest
    >> Anonymous 05/13/10(Thu)18:22 No.937908
    >>937850

    >I NEVER EVER EVER learned THAT in my history class.

    Because it's not true. There's more to the crusades than the goal in christian propaganda at that time. Nobles wanting to fight, conquer land, and while at it, pillage the fuck out of all the orthodox-christians, Jews, and muslims, while they were on the way to the Holy Land.

    For example; the IVth crusade didn't end anywhere near Jerusalem, it ended with the capture of Constantinople.

    "No one was without a share in the grief. In the alleys, in the streets, in the temples, complaints, weeping, lamentations, grief, the groaning of men, the shrieks of women, wounds, rape, captivity, the separation of those most closely united. Nobles wandered about ignominiously, those of venerable age in tears, the rich in poverty. Thus it was in the streets, on the corners, in the temple, in the dens, for no place remained unassailed or defended the suppliants. All places everywhere were filled full of all kinds of crime. Oh, immortal God, how great the afflictions of the men, bow great the distress!"
    >> Anonymous 05/13/10(Thu)18:23 No.937919
    >>937891
    truth.
    I was a TA for the first time this semester. It turns out if a kid cheats on every assignment, he passes anyway.
    The prof tried to get him expelled, the dean explained that as long as the kid pays tuition, it's in their best interest to keep him enrolled.

    I'm fucking transferring.
    >> Anonymous 05/13/10(Thu)18:24 No.937925
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    Teaching the truth about the Islamic faith would not square with the RELIGION OF PEACE.
    >> † Ad Majorem Dei Gloriam † † In Hoc Signo Vinces † 05/13/10(Thu)18:24 No.937927
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    >>937890
    >He wants the USA to be a theocracy.
    That's a lie. The Founding Fathers didn't want a Theocracy, and neither do I.

    I want a government and school-system that isn't afraid of simply speaking the truth, even if it offends people.
    >> Anonymous 05/13/10(Thu)18:25 No.937934
    >>937906

    We learned that the Crusades had
    -religous motives
    -economic motives
    -political motives

    And we also did learn about Potiers (first class in Dutch school system = 12-13 years old).
    >> Anonymous 05/13/10(Thu)18:27 No.937956
    >>937906
    The crusaders were actually worse to the christian areas that they marched through tbh...
    >> Anonymous 05/13/10(Thu)18:28 No.937962
    >>937827
    But what if the culture is ingrained? Then you have to find someway to uproot it.
    >> † Ad Majorem Dei Gloriam † † In Hoc Signo Vinces † 05/13/10(Thu)18:28 No.937966
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    >>937934
    You had it way better than we did.

    I was literally told how "racism and religious bigotry" caused the Crusades. That was from when I was 12 years old too.
    >> Anonymous 05/13/10(Thu)18:29 No.937973
    >>937850

    There were nine or ten Crusades. During the 4th Crusade the Crusaders sacked Constantinople (Byzanium), a Christian city.

    The castles they built in the Holy Land were fucking awsome.
    >> † Ad Majorem Dei Gloriam † † In Hoc Signo Vinces † 05/13/10(Thu)18:31 No.937986
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    >>937956
    Many of the Crusaders just wanted land or power, rather than the recapture of the Holy Land, so it's no wonder that many of them became distracted by greed or land or anything else.

    Also, they were Catholics, and since I am a Protestant, you can rest assured that I don't idolize them.

    It's the motive behind the Crusades that I find brave and courageous.
    >> Ordo Malleus !!JSssfrw0J7+ 05/13/10(Thu)18:32 No.937995
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    >937927

    And who would determine what is true?
    >> Anonymous 05/13/10(Thu)18:32 No.938002
    it's not the school's fault. It's the kids these days are too dam stupid. If you get a kid from some poor ass country and put them in the same class, that kid will be much more motivated to learn. Kids have it too easy here. Kids need a beating.
    >> communistpig !!Vh6YVO/lbV6 05/13/10(Thu)18:32 No.938003
    >>936670

    mmmh....... I like that school class stratagem.
    >> Ordo Malleus !!JSssfrw0J7+ 05/13/10(Thu)18:39 No.938065
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    I frankly am sick of Texas guiding the textbook industry...

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/03/14/backstory-how-the-texas-t_n_496831.html
    >> Anonymous 05/13/10(Thu)18:39 No.938068
    It depends where you go really, the United States has small isles of excellency in primary education scattered around the east and west coasts (and surprisingly some in Texas to), where everyone does as well or better than their peers in Europe or Asia on many international standardized tests. However, these are the exception and not the norm. They key differences between these school districts and the others is:
    #1 High average income. Most school systems are funded by property taxes. The richer the parents, the better school systems their kids go to.
    #2 Rigorous teacher higher practices. These school systems tend to have much more steep higher requirements for their teachers. and pay better than neighboring schools
    #3 offering of AP or IB classes
    #4 highly competitive positions within school board. Although the positions are filled via election, many school systems in the United States have county school boards filled with people ( the people who control budget, curriculum, etc.) who never have to compete to get into their position. Thus, many counties have incompetent administrators or people who only work part-time. counties where the positions are competitive tend to do better (although not always see Kansas ID teaching debate for a counterexample).
    >> Anonymous 05/13/10(Thu)18:44 No.938104
    Don't know how many people went to public schools in the US, but I'm sure you remember no one wanting to be there, falling asleep in class, and ditching whenever they want

    I do, I did most of that

    But, now in college, I've missed a few day in the past 5 years because I was sick, not cause I didn't want to go

    Still sad that people ditch college classes, even community college, when they are paying for it

    Funny when they bitch later in life when they're still working minimum wage jobs
    >> Anonymous 05/13/10(Thu)18:46 No.938120
    >>938104

    The people who skip and do badly in College probably aren't paying for it themselves, their parents, who urged them to go, are paying for it.
    >> Anonymous 05/13/10(Thu)18:48 No.938134
    >>938068
    As for college education, American students pick up the slack in that area and score on par with students from countries like the U.K and Japan in most of the standardized tests.
    >> Anonymous 05/13/10(Thu)18:49 No.938139
    >>938120
    Well you know what I mean, someone in their family is paying for it
    >> Anonymous 05/13/10(Thu)18:54 No.938180
    >>936601
    Well it's from Alabama what do you expect.
    >> Anonymous 05/13/10(Thu)19:00 No.938241
    Britfag here, we have a thing called grammar schools in some parts of the country, basically they're government-run schools but they require an entry exam to get into. They usually recieve more funding, both from the government and the public, better teachers and they have a better atmosphere were almost everyone is there to learn and they provide private-school quality education for free.
    Sadly over the last couple of decades the government has slowly been removing the grammar schools since they supposedly discriminate against the poor, stupid and non-whites despite the fact they usually get more south and east asians than normal schools.
    Most of the high-ups in the government used to be from grammar schools but nowadays, since most have lost their status the government is mostly made up of those from private schools. By removing grammar schools to stop the discrimination of the poor and stupid the government is filling up with more and more of the rich.
    >> Anonymous 05/13/10(Thu)19:36 No.938552
    >>936414
    Because the communists, liberals, and atheists took God out of public schools.
    >> Anonymous 05/13/10(Thu)20:29 No.939122
    Because people perceive value from cost. Schools cost nothing from the perspective of some. So it has no value for them.

    Worse yet is that now schools feel they have to beg students to come to school. When schools start to reward someone for showing up to get a free education then they cause people to perceive them not only as having no value, but a negative value. If you have to reward me for doing this thing then it must really suck and be worthless to me.



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