you should color in Colorado Blue or green since we kinda dont give a shit about any of you!

>Implying you know what socialism is
>Implying a league of shitty states (save Texas and Florida) is a good thing
>implying Idaho isn't conservative too

your map is bullshit

that map doesn't even make sense. how the hell is wyoming less conservative than colorado?

i like this.

CIVIL WAR 2 FUCK YEAAAUGH

>>783455
What do you mean >the next iceland ??

Who's going to pay for all the welfare in these "independent states"? All those trailers aren't gonna get electricity without someone paying.

Another confederation of states, that's worked well the last two times.

>>783489
Electric Boogaloo.

>implying that Texas would ever ally with those shithole states.

>>783485
or Montana or Idaho?

rednecks die. i'd laugh

yeah, that map is fucked.
fix it and try again later

>>783531
you gotta sage otherwise this shit will stay alive

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A0spaXm7Sbg

here is a real map... try again OP

OP here

Stop bitching about the premise, its hypothetical.

Faggots.

so basically Confederate States II?

USSA! USSA! USSA!

>Montana socialist.

>>783562
This.

Ideology isn't split by state, but between the urban and rural areas.

Note that in every conservative state (save Oklahoma, but nobody lives there) there is at least one blue county, these counties are urban areas, for the most part.

UASR - United American Socialist Republics
CSA - Confederated States of America
PSA - Pacific States of America

>>783607

Your premise is flawed, faggot.

Minorities would win.

It would be a huge loss for the white people, so in conclusion it won't ever happen.

A state lost its right to secede in the civil war. The Union which favors the rich merchant will be preserved at any cost.

I'll trade you Nebraska (place is worthless anyway, birds kill themseves there), Wyoming and Kentucky for.... North Carolina and Colorado. We can maybe give you Missouri if you let us Keep Montana and Idaho, mainly because they have cool mountains. Maybe we can also trade for the Teton and Yellowstone areas ('cause they're the shit) for the barren, culturless lands of Southern Indiana and Ohio plus West Virginia (mountain mama)
Hopefully this will be done in a civilized and efficient manner.

>>783645
>A state lost its right to secede in the civil war.

derp

>>783455
I can't wait to fuck you guys up again when we retake control.

>>783645
no, it's just that empire builders dont like when a piece tries to break off

The US is not going into a civil war.
There would have to be two near-equal opposing groups.
There wouldn't be. It'd be feds vs. citizens. And the feds wouldn't stand a chance, because everything they need to exist and wage war is made by citizens.

>>783562
lol, at the border states, the counties directly next to the border are almost all blue. gee i wonder why

>>783664
The states do not have the right secede, no where in the constitution is there power to secede from the union, however there are rights granted to the federal power to prevent rebellion. If you want to go, it will have to be by force. And I for one, welcome you to get shown your place a 2nd time.

>>783674
Canadian influence?

>>783562
I call into question the accuracy of that map. I bet that map is just more republican propaganda through lies and the distortion of facts.

>>783667
Except for the stockpiles of weapons and fuel.

>>783680
If it's not in the Constitution, there is no right.
Somehow that seems backwards, like it wasn't written to constrain the people or something.

What's the declaration of independence tripe? Full of that sort of lunacy.

>>783680
troll

10th Amendment says states have the power to secede because it's not prohibited to them by the constitution.

i think the states with the real economy wins. yeah they might be socialists but they bring in the big bucks and that's what fucking matters.

>>783680
Rebellion is attempting to overthrow the current government system.

Secession is voluntarily leaving the system.


There is a difference.

Enjoy your toxic, environmental hellhole ISA. Your constant wars will devalue your dollar as you cannot have the industrial or commercial capacity to raise enough funds. That plus a low tax rate. But you guys will has tons of "freedom", which excludes the right to be anything but a fundy protestant, put anything you wish in your body, have control over who you have sex with, etc.

>>783698
Look at a map of population density then that map will make more sense.

>>783719
Texas has the best economy in the country right now....

>United Socialist States of America

THIS IS WHAT TEABAGGERS / CONSERVATIVES ACTUALLY BELIEVE

>>783713
that's not actually true. scotus ruled against the states right to secede a long long time ago.

>>783727
There is no difference, secession is just another form of rebellion.

>>783735
while texas has a good economy do you really think that it will prop up the rest of the south? wouldn't that be socialism.

>>783745
SCOTUS has said a lot of things that later turned out to be wrong under new interpretations of the constitution.

>>783735
based off of what? In 2008 it was 23rd

>>783755
so you think the socialist power grabbers would actually allow you to secede?

>>783755
The 10th amendment was obviously not intended for secession. Guess what, If you want to right to secede first you have to add a NEW amendment giving you that power.

Secession is treason. If you want to secede, you'll have to fight and you fat redneck cunts stand no chance. We're going to knock you flat on your ass again.

>>783765
One of the few states in the Union whose GSP actually grew over the last decade.

Unemployment one of the lowest in the union.

New home construction one of the highest in the union.

The second richest zipcode in the country is in Texas, as is the most affluent city in America.

1) stop posting this faggot shit
2) go to /rs/ and read the comic DMZ it is all about civil war
3) come back to talk about news not hypothetical bullshit.

there are 535 people in congress.

5 3 5

>>783792
No. It clearly states that if it isn't in the Constitution, the power is reserved for the states of the people.

There is no way around that.

The ONLY powers they crafters of the government wanted it to have were the ones explicitly listed in the document.

Everything else is left to the States.

>>783806
Bring it on, cake boy.

>>783822
Read that comic, it seems more concerned with being LOL COOL AWESOME PUNK UTOPIA than realism, but meh. Awesome maybe, but not really relevant to this discussion.

>>783816
S will be for Socialist I for independent on your graph
S District of Columbia 64,991
S Connecticut 56,248
S New Jersey 50,919
S Massachusetts 50,735
S Wyoming 49,719
S Maryland 48,091
S New York 48,076
I Alaska 43,321
S Virginia 42,876
S New Hampshire 42,830
S Minnesota 42,772
S California 42,696
S Illinois 42,397
I Colorado 42,377
S Washington 42,356
S Rhode Island 41,008
S Delaware 40,852
S Hawaii 40,490
S Nevada 40,353
S Pennsylvania 40,265
S North Dakota 39,321
I Florida 39,070
S Vermont 38,880
I Texas 38,575
I Kansas 37,978
I Nebraska 37,730

Yeah good luck with your economy.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._states_by_GDP_per_capita_%28nominal%29

>>783822
Brian Wood is prescient. His works have predicted my life to an extent. LET'S TALK ABOUT THE FREE STATE ARMY!

>>783842
Prevent rebellion is in the constitution, so sorry.

>>783894
...dude you're fucking retarded

>>783910
i guess all those rural farm boys fillin the ranks of the US military will have to kill their families to hold the nation together

>>783882
it started out awesome and then became total complete bullshit. still read it because the art is amazing but i root against the "heroes"

>>783910
They all swear an oath to the Constitution against all enemies foreign and domestic.

Pretty much everyone in DC is an enemy of the Constitution.

>>783667
>feds vs citizens
That implies that every federal officer will be fighting everybody else.

>>783930
Uh no that is the GDP by state per capita in 2008 (top 25). The "socialists" win hands down.

>>783986
pretty much this.

shit like treason is laid out in the constitution, but it's also laid out for the people to keep arms.

I think the whole point of that is that if the constitution is warped so horridly, the people have the tools to overthrow the government and refresh.

>>784000
Isn't that why Obama proposed a federal police agency?

>>784009
not when states like massachusetts are so far into the hole the only thing keeping them afloat is deficit spending

the united states is so warped right now we can't even really accurately measure our own economy

>>783986
You see, that's the great thing about a representative democracy. When the politicians break their oaths of office, you can simply vote in new ones.

>>784011
The problem with that is the military has wildly more powerful technology than the civilians are allowed to have.

>>783698
this is a fun map. bush vs kerry

>>784033
meanwhileinafghanistan.jpg

>>784033
Doesnt matter in a guerrilla war.

>>784039
Did Alaska vote independent?

>>784023
Mass has a lot of money that flows through it.
Texas is hardly doing any better even when it comes to unemployment. Texas unemployment is 8.3 Mass is 9.2 The difference is Mass has a lot more money per person.

>>784029
You haven't paid much attention to elections apparently, they're pretty much some right-wing religious zealot versus a bleeding-heart lefty because of the locked-down primary systems the two parties have manages to impose on everyone.

It's always a vote for whichever one sounds like they'll fuck things up less.

>>784043
>>784044
But that's a country with little government control to start with and various tribal leaders. The situation in Afghanistan would be similar to an American insurgency in the sense that they could fight a guerrilla war but the geography and society of the regions and are very different.

>>784033
Most of the military will side with the people, because they aren't gonna be cool with their families and friends being attacked.
The ones that stay are gonna have a hard time, due to lack of food, water, and fuel.

>>784052
mass also has something like 5x the debt of texas, doesn't have a balanced budget, and unlike texas, unemployment is rising. forget california, mass is easily the most fucked state in the union right now.

>>784057
I pay plenty of attention, you don't like it? You can always run yourself.

>>784064
That's if their families are part of the rebellion, not every state is going to fight against the government and that's the point I was trying to make.

>>784064
LOL, the Army can't even truck it's own fuel, run it's own kitchens, or distribute it's own supplies anymore without some corporation doing it.

What a sad condition the military's in.

>>784068
Uhh, I would start trying to find more valid sources for your info.

>>784061
afghanistan is about the size of oklahoma, not very well populated, and not very well armed.

i don't think you get it. there won't -be- a civil war. it'd just be a zerg rush of the most armed populace in history.

>>784084
A zerg rush is usually against an unprepared target. The government isn't what I'd call unprepared and not everyone with a gun is gonna start fighting them.

air force picks a side and the war is over.

>>784115
Sounds reasonable.

>>784081
okay.

>>784115
Air force doesn't "pick" a side. The president is in charge of the air force. He can simply fire and then imprison those who do not wish to fight (and suspend habeas corpus so they don't get a trial either)

>>784115
LOL do you know how badly that would make things for the USAF?
The war will be won by the side with the media.
All it would take is one of these murking a crowd of children, and the rest of the nation finding out.
You can't win a guerrilla war, without winning the people.

>>784130
Hey look at that, they both flat-lined there at the end. one at 9.6 ish, the other at 8.5 ish.

>>784144
err 8.1 8.2,

Oh look, worthless states in Yellow.

>>784115
so why haven't we won in afghanistan yet...?

>>784165
that dude got told

>>784165
Exactly. We haven't won the people there.

>>784160
Barring Colorado and Florida, yeah

>>784138
>>784176
This guy is right, and why we'll never win there without a change in strategy (if we can even salvage that by now)

>>784190
can I haz genocide be a strategy?

>implying the top 10% wealthiest of the country will allow a civil war to happen, considering they own 85% of of everything in the united states.

>>784190
don't worry our pencil pushing politician officer pussy corps is on it!

>>784144
you're missing the point. texas has a growing economy. mass is falling on its face. people are fleeing the state, and the health care system there is grinding to a halt.

Florida Texas Alaska California

If these were to secede and stop trade relations with the other states, you could starve them into submission, or make their cost of living Depression era status

>>784215
spaceghostspitting.jpg

>>784213
yeah but how many of them keep rpg's in their closet?

man that trip to new mexico was fun.

>>784213
This is true. John Hancock was the richest guy in Boston by the time his alcohol smuggling was discovered, he had quite a few people working for him.

A peasant revolt in the US would fail like any black riot has.

>>784215
"Why we understand that graph we'll have won the war."

>>784215
I love how it's "Working Draft"

How old is this thing?

>>784219
>people are fleeing the state
umm, have any proof of this, or are you just making shit up some more? Unemployment isn't any worse than any other state, they have LOTS of money person, and they only have a 5% uninsured rate 75% of the insured is privately done. WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT?

>>784276
Texas, on the other hand, has a 25% uninsured rate, and only about 60% are privately insured.

>>784276
http://www.boston.com/news/local/massachusetts/articles/2006/04/20/bay_state_exodus_2d_only_to_ny/

as for insurance, the state government managed to fuck it up so bad that now health insurance companies aren't accepting new policies anymore. if you didn't have a plan a month ago, you're fucked. you simply cannot buy insurance.

>>784310
whoops thats an old article. need to find a newer once after i go make some dinner.

anyway if you lived here you'd know what i mean. prepare to watch springfield become the next detroit.

>>784310
That paper is 4 years old and quotes information no more recent than 2 years older than that....So in essence the data you are giving me is no younger than 6 years ago. Did you think I wasn't going to actually read what you sent me or something?

i welcome the redneck uprising

>>784310
>>784327
From 2000 to 2008 Mass total population has increased by about 2% We can safely assume there is no great exodus of MA people.

>>784346
Aren't you in TX XD

>>784362
and the us has grown what, 3%?

the last two years the state has been hit hard. mass is projected to lose at least one electoral vote this year, and it's not a very big state.

>>784371
yes; i never claimed to not be a redneck
in all seriousness i dont see how the federal government wins a war against rural people

they have limited military strength not even counting desertion and would have to either control regions that had low insurrection

or control major cities and corridors between them
either way america is a huge place and the majority of the country would be defacto not under federal control anymore

you cant protect every crop bridge railroad and powerline in the nation
the current strategy of organization the militas have is cellular in nature with no chain of command so you have no head to chop off

that and for all the advanced technology you have to control a region you have to have guys on the ground
people are squishy
along the same lines the 535 people in charge of this country wouldnt be able to go in public except in sterilized zones

in addition they likely wouldnt even have the whole military; i cant say how many would desert, but id bet on number being significant
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/11/03/AR2005110302528.html
http://www.statemaster.com/graph/mil_tot_mil_rec_arm_nav_air_for-recruits-army-navy-air-force

american civilians are the most armed country in the world with 90 guns for every 100 people
for comparison iraq has 39 guns for every 100 people
and this is a few years old and gun sales have surged in the last 2 years

http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSL2834893820070828

if the US government can win against an insurrection i dont see how; that is unless they plan to just declare victory regardless of reality

pic related, as i said, i have faith in america's redneck army

>>784507
interesting data. any way to sort it by per capita of state?

THEY GOT THE GUNS
BUT WE GOT THE NUMBERS
WE'RE TAKING OVER
YEEEEAAAAAAHHHH

>>784550
what? there's nearly 300 million firearms owned by american citizens.

>>784507
Because F-35 fighter < Redneck with with a shotgun

>>784530
http://www.statemaster.com/graph/mil_tot_mil_rec_arm_nav_air_for_percap-navy-air-force-per-capita

im not saying all the military would defect, but i think it would be just as foolish to say none of them will

>>784569
did we even get those whales flying yet?

I hope they do. And when another oil rig disaster happens, they can't come crying to the federal government for help. Oh wait, the "free market" will take care of everything, right?

>>784563
I imagine the south has far more guns than the north, while the north has far more population. Also, the Doors, maybe you should check it out.

>>784569
so are you just going to shoot all the rednecks?
or only the ones you catch being involved with an insurgency?

if its the first good job killing civilians and losing any hope of the moral high ground

if its the second you are not going to be able to stop them

there will be no pitched battles where air superiority can work at least at first; if a few thousand rednecks gained control of the capitol building with alot of congressmen inside are you going to use F-35s to subdue them or are you going to have to send guys in

>>784569
Not seeing action for years.

>>784603
er what? almost 40% of the us is concentrated in 'the south'. it's easily the most populated of the four regions

>>784603
i dont think it will be north versus south
i think it will be cities versus rural with suburbs being a gray area in terms of what side theyre on

and in reality only 10-20 percent of the population at most will even care about one side over the other enough to fight
the rest will just be annoyed at the 2 groups of assholes bothering everyone and wont do anything about it

>>784644
i think it's going to be 50 states versus dc. even here in mass, the most liberal of the liberal states...people are getting fed up

>>784606
Well at best Navy SEALS < Redneck with a shotgun

>>783894

Good for you, you found the gross domestic product. now go find the Net and compare. I am willing to bet the socialist states spend more than they make. Also, DC shouldn't count becuase everyone there makes their money off the government, not productive enterprises.

>>783455
>implying secession will be a valid option for any state

>>784670
good to hear; i think going back to letting states and counties run things the way that make sense for them will be good for our nation

>>784683
i would point out that alot of these people have military service and really we wont know for sure who will win will we get there

and as i said earlier; i dont there there are enough navy seals to protect every bridge power line cropland or railroad track
logistical nightmare to protect infrastructure

>>784683

Navy Seals *ARE* rednecks tho!

>>784723
its valid if they take the right, but i think secession would require a much narrower range of circumstances for people to try it

>>784683
SEALs will fight the other military, as those would provide the greatest hunt.

>>784683
one seal could probably take on a hundred civilians, but not a million

i'm just waiting for an mlk-sized march on washington. i really can't see military action against something that large happening.

socialist here, we don't care about your shithole states go ahead and revolt and get run over with mexican drug cartels

>>784753
>i'm just waiting for an mlk-sized march on washington. i really can't see military action against something that large happening.

i think this would be ideal in terms of preventing bloodshed and damage to our nation
the changes the rednecks want are as follows

1 every elected congressman removed from office or shot

2. the following changes to the US constitution or something similar in spirit

allow the state legislatures to impeach federal officials who live and work only within their state with 2/3 vote in both houses of the state legislature.

the first 12 amendments directly incorporated

Every law, or resolution having the force of law, shall relate to but one subject, and that shall be expressed in the title.

term limits of 2 terms for the house and 1 for the senate

executive branch cut into 5 offices 5 regions designated to elect their executive
1 term limit for executive
5 year terms for the executive; staggered elections guy about to be out is the "head" executive who has veto power and controls the authority given to the executive that cant be broken up among 5 people
veto can also be achieved by any 2 out of the 5 wanting to veto

removal of 16th amendment, replacement with a nation wide WAT or sales tax

>>784835
VAT*
value added tax

what do yall think of these changes?

>>784835
term limits seem a little extreme. executive branch seems a little too divided. and i kinda like paul's idea better.

"I lean toward a flat tax, but I want to make it real flat: like zero."

>>784859
term limits prevent lobbyists from buying politicians because you arnt getting reelected anyway

id be fine with 0 tax at the federal level, but i don think america would go for that; i think an easing off of federal spending would be alot less painful to people because there are many dependent on federal jobs and social programs

oh another thing

they want to ban deficit spending without a 2/3rds majority agreeing to it item by item on anything going over budget

>>784919
i was thinking more terms for reps, and cutting up senator's terms.

we WERE going to do that budget thing back in '94 but the dems cockblocked it :\

I could really care less if you country has a civil war. Just don't come to Canada.

Lets stop talking politics and get back to the WAR!

>>784985
what war? it's not you against me, it's about us versus them (read: washington dc) if you get enough armed people (read: million or so or more) to walk up to the capitol and the white house and say enough is enough, what are they going to do?

>>785022
>what are they going to do?
Start shooting and don't you be so naïve to think that they won't.

>>784943
but does the spirit of the changes seem sound?
i think a political party that ran on a platform of only wanting to change these things it could get popular support

>>785102
i'm sure that would go down well for pr.

Mexico has massively condemned US law when its attempts to identify and remove any of the TENS OF MILLIONS of mexican illegals in the USA..

Mexico's own EXISTING law=

>>Article 67 of Mexico's Population Law says, "Authorities, whether federal, state or municipal ...

>>are required to demand that foreigners prove their legal presence in the country, before attending to any issues."

>>The Amnesty report said one female migrant told researchers that Mexican federal police had forced her group off a train and stolen their belongings. Forced to walk, she said, she was subsequently attacked by a gang and raped.

>>Mexico has long been offended by mistreatment of its own migrants in the United States.

basically the illegal C.A. woman is gang raped by mexicans in mexico, and the law requires that she must be deported before her crime can be investigated/prosecuted..

Based on this total, evil, sick law, I dont think mexicans should even be considered for entry into the USA

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2010/04/28/ap/latinamerica/main6442107.shtml?utm_source=feedburner&am
p;utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+CBSNewsPCAnswer+(PC+Answer%3A+CBSNews.com)

>>785167
i got deported form mexico when i was 18 for not having papers
they took my car :(

Vast majority of military is made up of people from the red states. The number of people who would switch teams is going to be significant. Doubt Lt. Jim Bob would be willing to shoot his little brother defending the USSA.

>>785167

Buh-buh-but Mexicans are brown! BROWN!

There's gotta be some way we can blame white people - no, wait even better white Americans!

>>785183
wtfs up with utah and north dakota. those are two of the most conservative states in the union

>>785210
Utahans are too busy serving the Mormon army.

North Dakotans all freeze on the way to the recruitment stations.

>>785183
Jim Bob doesn't get to be a Lt., he is a enlisted man that does what the fuck he is told.

Also check for the percentage of those enlistments are niggers, it's more likely than you think.

Jesusland anyone?

who came up with this map? Nevada, Idaho, Montana, Wyoming would definitely go along with Independant States group.

>>785183
Blacks and mexicans are heavily represented in both
federal services and national guards (It's called the
"economic draft".) Don't make me come in there.

Hasn't this been covered in the charter of Dumbfuckistan?

the south is full of retards, can we at least agree on that?

>>786341
Ah, I remember that map. Back when liberals were the ones threatening secession when conservatives were in charge.

>>786380
no, fraid not. There's a fuckton of retards in the north east too.

>>786411

yeah.. them being the economic engine of the united states n'all.

totally bullshit map, looks like a foreigner or a child made it

>>783455

I like your pretend map of your pretend USA. You've safely insulated the inbred fucktard to the south of the country. Nice job man.... But you can have southern California and please keep the city of new israel I mean new york.

>>784039
>>783562
and here is the map adjusted for population. remember people vote not land

>>783455

>Kentucky not part of the south.

>>786479
and to add insult to injury, the same thing but this time done by county

>>786499
Kentucky is by and large midwestern.

>>783562
Now look at the population of the blue counties compared to red ones.

>>786506

You don't think they would go with the independent states?

>>786505
That makes florida look even more like a penis.

>>786506
Louisville, Paduka, and the Cincinnati Suburbs are, the rest is pretty Southern.

>>786525
Where are you even going with this? Bush won the popular vote:

Bush 62,040,610
Kerry 59,028,444

>>786564
That every major city except Phoenix and Salt Lake voted for Kerry.

>>786557
Lexington is pretty thoroughly midwestern too.

And with that, you've describe most of Kentucky's population. The rural areas are pretty southern, sure, but most Kentuckians don't live there.

>>786589
and Dallas

the point is they are crap

>>784507

Except its fantasy and faggotry, what peasants can stop their tanks and gunships? Their bombs? It'll be like in afghanistan, hundreds of thousands dead, vs. a few thousand

Even if an uprising did succeed, the same thing as always would happen, some greedy corrupt asshat would take power and make a dictatorship

This thread is now about Kentucky.

>>786526
In such a situation, if it came to a vote, it would be really fucking close, but I think Kentucky would stay with the north.

>>786615
Kentucky, you say?

The United Socialist States, which retains most of the wealth and international political influence of the USA, embargos the fuck out of the other states until they come back.

Yes, Kentucky.

>>783455


The only way a civil war would ever happen is if both sides secured a cache of nukes and were capable of using them, then it would be decided with missiles as they trump everything besides nukes. If the north won, they would indenture the south and not grant them independence, and if the south won, they would just want to be left alone. Just like last time.

Except this time the north would be gobbled up by the British ie: Canada not by military force but through mutually beneficial agreements. Enjoy your provinces, higher IQs longer lifespans and better QoL.

So it's win-win if the South is the victor - save for all the death of course.

None of this accounts for the actions and ambitions of corporations which would would drive the whole thing and ultimately come out on top.

>>786677

... and start a war?

>>786677

How can you guys embargo if you guys have no money?

>>786636
Also, I'd expect North Carolina to be part of the north. It's been trending blue for years, voted for Obama, is a major technology center these days (which tend to run deep blue).

I'd be dubious of Missouri in the blue side as well, but eh. It's all fantasy anyway. If the split happened like that, the north would remain a global power and if anything become stronger economically, while the south would languish.

>>786718

No, most blue states are in debt and declining. Red states are the only ones in good status and growing.

Regardless of anyone's military might, the culture of the south is unsustainable. Too paranoid, too reactionary, too full of complete idiots. It would become a theocracy very quickly, and too much money would be spent on policing or simply stolen by the politicians.

>>786615

I'm Canadian and have a penchant for Kentucky as of late (the last 6 or 7 months), I want to move there once I finish my education and have a good head of steam on my career. I don't even know why. The state just fascinates me. I feel drawn to it.

No joke.

>>786718
>Missouri is Southern
>North Carolina isn't

Are you retarded or something?

>>786734
Blue states almost exclusively pay more in federal taxes than they receive in benefits.

Red states almost exclusively receive more in benefits than they pay in federal taxes.

They split countries, all of a sudden the sugar daddy goes away, and the red states go boom.

>>786738
I live there, I've lived in several places in the USA, visited most states. Kentucky is my favorite place to live.

It's just a really nice place. People are friendlier here than anywhere else in the states I've been.

>>786736

No, that's just liberal stereotyping. Other than banning abortion, nothing else would probably change.

>>786749
Pay attention to demographics much?

Missouri went to McCain.
North Carolina went to Obama.

NC has experienced a tremendous amount of economic development in the past two decades; Raleigh is in the center of the "Research Triangle" which is a huge, huge software/technology center (which, as said before, runs deep blue).

Things do change, and NC is still a swing state, but if anything it's more blue than red, and getting bluer.

>>786755

This is only because you don't understand the chart. Most of federal aid goes to ss, medicare and welfare. Blue states get less because they don't have niggers and old people leave for red states because of cheaper land and taxes. In reality red states have much stronger economies and is much less debt ridden.

>>786803

How did I know it would come down to niggers?

>>786803
And when their access to the much more economically developed north (and its greater tax revenues) go away, their "solid" economies go down in flames.

All those people living on government support with suddenly reduced tax revenue aren't going to just go away.

>>786801
north carolina also has a shitton of black people in it who vote almost exclusively democratic. missouri doesn't.

>>786738
What are you studying?

Tbh, I like this map alot better.

REPUBLIC OF CALIFORNIA FTTTWWWW

>>786831
in case you haven't noticed, the industrial base has been creeping down south and east, away from the rust belt and the west coast.

>>786820

>Life Expectancy at Birth by Race and Sex

>2005

>White: Both Sexes: 78.3 Male: 75.7 Female: 80.8

>Black: Both Sexes: 73.2 Male: 69.5 Female: 76.5

http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0005148.html

Pretty self-evident.

>>786857
It's still not focused in the deep south yet; Indiana, Kentucky, and North Carolina are all industrial powerhouses these days, but none of those would secede.

Lol, most of the liberal states would become first world countries like Scandinavian countries whilst the shitty right wing states would become 3rd world shitholes with a lot of redneck, niggers, and spics wondering where their welfare checks went.

>>786803

You have no clue what you're talking about. The south solid's economy doesn't depend on the north in any real way. If you mean the south would have problems with welfare, that is something that liberals wanted in the first place. It would be cut to manageable levels. The money from ss would actually hurt you guys more than us, since ss is screwed up and your old folks wouldn't be able to come to the red states to alleviate their problems.

>>786933
>>the top 10 most bankrupt states are all blue

Enjoy being the next greece.

>>786933

Niggers and spics would move to blue states. Thanks for taking them guys.

sure is some ignorance of la raza in this thread

Fedeal Government is the name of your country. Federal Government doesn't recognize The United States, so it created a federal corporation in the District of Columbia called "United States" as a strawman to say that you are a federal citizen/employee to that corporation. Realistically, can anyone actually think they can say they are a citizen to all 48 united States of America at the same time? That's why exists a dummy nation created by Abraham Lincoln called The United States to animate a federal corporation in District of Columbia called "United States." See Uniform Commercial Code under "location of debtor" in the article section on "Security Transactions."

Federal Government doesn't refer to anything in prior art, so this is no longer the United States and no longer America but a nameless continent bordering two seas and two domesticated provincial foreigners called Mexicock and Canaduh.

FEMA already divided the continent into a new map based upon consolidated military potential.

The ISA would be a total 3rd world shithole! Go ahead and do it faggots! Within a decade you'll be North Korea with some kind of Bible thumping version of Colonel Sanders as dear leader.

>>787139
nobody takes the mexican klan seriously because much like the white pride movement, they make up their own history

unless you live in los angeles or san diego where la raza starts riots with old veterans

>>783455
The only state that's stupid enough to secede is Texas. Maybe South Carolina, they're pretty fucktarded too.

>>787446
yeah we'll secede and then you can enjoy your 20 dollar a gallon gas

>>787139
Texas conquers Mexico and California, nothing to do with La raza

>>787446
Arizona's been talking about it for years, maybe they'll finally get enough momentum to do it now.

>>787446

"Stupid" is the wrong word. If anything, Texas is one of the few states that has the potential to successfully secede and actually thrive independently of the US.

-not landlocked
-a relatively diverse economy
-abundant natural resources
-well armed (assuming current US military bases are captured)
-up until very recently, was a net contributor to federal budgets.

inb4 LOL NUKE TEXAS. I can promise you this would not happen, as self-polluting with nuclear fallout is not something the US has been keen on since the 60's. Nuking a seceding state, even if it resulted in retention of this state, would result in a net negative for the whole of the US.

to sum up this thread

>this is what liberals actually believe!

The natural resources, military, and manufacturing is in the south now. Blue states are running up debt and are based on a dollar backed by nothing. The south would not collapse because of welfare, wed have very little and all the blacks infesting our cities would either adapt or move up North. The south encourages more free trade than the north, and has better international prospects. The only thing wrong would be the bible.

Oh and wed also win the war because you faggot liberals are afraid of guns.

NORTH PUTS UP FENCE AND SECURES BORDER WITH SOUTH, SAVES BILLIONS IN WELFARE WHICH IS PUT INTO MILITARY, OBLITERATES SOUTH.

>>787688

moar liek

NORTH PUTS UP FENCE AND SECURES BORDER WITH SOUTH, MILLIONS OF NORTHERNERS STARVE BECAUSE OF TRADE EMBARGO.

>>786969
>>786969
>>786969
>>786969
this says your full of shit
http://www.usnews.com/articles/opinion/2009/03/12/tennessee-tops-list-of-five-most-bankrupt-states.h
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>>787734
I dont think we will need nearly as much food with out having to support the obese south. And seriously, which side with canada, and all of the EU give aid to if they need it? the north. After the north obliterates the south, we can use it for our own framing. Also why didnt the north starve to death last civil war?

>>787563
>assuming Texas can take control of US military bases surrounded by hundreds more

North would win hands down. World on its side, all the manufacturing, stronger economy, unified leadership. Its no contest really.

FEMA map decides elections by military rule.

If you are not with FEMA, then you are with the Terrorists: Aztlan/MEChA, Canaduh.

>>787746
You retard, did you even read your source? That's bankruptcy filings by state. It has nothing to do with the crushing state debt blue states excel at.

>>788125
no lol

>>783816
Alright, see what happens to all that wealth when Texas has to support all the other states in the ISA, just like California has to support all the other states in the current USA.

Texas could either practice that hated socialism and help the rest of its fellow states out, or it could practice rational self-interest and secede from the ISA.

Urban areas would be without power, niggers rioting and looting. Rural areas would be untouched...so who do you think will be in a better position?

The Socialist States would have better PR with the rest of the world. They would have more allies.

>>787734
oh noes we'll have to grow our own corn

>>786849
>California Oregon Washington Nevada
hell yeah
>Arizona Utah
fuck no, that guy is dumb, no one wants AZ or UT

If another civil war happened it would be such a cluster fuck of near biblical proportions.

their would be more than two sides and evey other country would get involved to either fuck over the US or keep the nukes from flying.

>>789026

The only thing cali supports everyone else on is welfare. That and it's cali that will need help when everyone else stops lending to them.

>>789039

>implying any of America has any PR with the world

and for your information, I have it on good authority that Australians like Texans

>>789078
MORMONS!

>>783455
fixd

Hey guys, did you know that North and South already had a war?

[Spoiler]We kicked your asses, you're never gotten over it. You try and get back at us by electing retards to lead us.[/spoiler]