okay, I got told...I guess.

but until a bus/train/whatever can get me to work in less than 40 minutes when my car can do it in 20, I'll be driving bro, sorry

>>782287
Fail. Thanks for telling us we need to use public transportation when it often doesn't even exist in our areas, especially in North America.

Public transportation? From my tax moneys?

FUCKING COMMUNIST SWINE!!!

what about those American cities with no metro at all: Dallas, Houston, Detroit, Phoenix, Miami
and those cities with some rail, but its shit: L.A., etcetera

Personal cars are the worst thing ever invented

fuck, humanity is stupid.

>>782326
This.

>>782323

Not sure about the others, but WTF you talkin about Houston having no metro? They had a shitty little rail system running thru downtown and a semi-functional bus system when I left in '04, is it gone now?

Touch my truck and I'll shoot you in the face.

>>782326
yea cause getting where you want to go , when you want to go is stupid


what are you fucking 12? gtfo dipshit

>>782346

*poke* WHAT NOW, MOTHERFUCKER, I GOT DUST ON YO TRUCK

>>782323
you're completely full of shit

http://www.dart.org/

>>782335
a single lightrail downtown and a lot of buses do not a metro make.
A metro is a heavy rail train network operating inside a city with a frequency of 10 minutes or less, can be surface level but for best operation should be grade-separated to subway or elevated.

and then connected to a commuter to go out to suburbs and beyond.

The problem is retarded leftists are trying to penalise people into using buses instead of MAKING PUBLIC TRANSPORT EFFICIENT, CHEAP AND CONVENIENT.

If you absolutely have to have your perestroika style state planning at least get your priotities straight.

Holy shit!
We need wider roads!

>>782355
a few glorified lightrail lines and a lot of buses
though I suppose marginally better than Houston

>>782368
>thinks buses are public transportation
no
>>782371
and get a few hundred more cars on the extra lanes
or build a railway and service thousands of people

>>782397
>no
What kind of rebuttal is that?

>>782368
its takes tons of money to make public trans that way, more money than most cities or even states can spend.

Not sure about penalties on anything but maybe you seen something I havn't

>>782401
you think buses are all there is to public transportation, you need no other rebuttal
>>782403
they can spend a billion a year on freeways & highways

>>782414
and freeways/highways are also vastly more important than rail, whats your point?

>>782432
no they aren't

OP lives in an urban utopia, wish I could afford that kind of rent

I believe there will at least be a time when cars are looked back upon as crazy necesseties, sheerly due to the amount of accidents that are caused with them.

I having a hard time believing theres people that hate cars this much. I guess some people just never liked going for a drive. To each his own I guess. You'll take the bus , I'll drive or carpool.

>>782461
lol no. Go back to praying for a socialist future utopia that will never exist. Get ready for vast amounts of Chinese wanting their own personal car

The carrying capacity of a freeway lane is roughly 1800 vehicles per hour, or 2000 people per hour given average vehicle occupancy of 1.11 passengers. A typical six-lane freeway therefore carries up to 12,000 people per hour in both directions.
A double-track suburban railway, meanwhile, can easily support one train movement every three minutes in each direction without straining its capacity. A six-car train can carry around 1000 passengers before reaching crush conditions. Thus the rail line can carry at least 40,000 people per hour in both directions, and perhaps more depending on the signalling system and vehicle design.

Do Freeways relieve congestion?
http://www.ptua.org.au/myths/congestion.shtml

>>782287

This picture is propaganda, look at the perspectives, in the final two pictures showing "efficient" small transportation the camera is zoomed out more to increase the effect.

Also the bus picture is assuming every single one of those people want to go from point A to point B at the exact same time and it also assumes that a bus is individually as efficient (each person loses no more time than) the individual cars.

Propaganda is propaganda

OP has tons of fun when he moves furniture or buys groceries for his family of 4

>>782459
>Most Americans live in or near cities; today 53 percent live in the 20 largest cities. 75 percent of all Americans live in metropolitan areas.

>>782491
>when he moves furniture
since a car can not carry a bed or couches or tables and shit, I'd need a removal company
>or buys groceries for his family of 4
buy locally on the way home

>>782507
not really getting your point. So you're saying public trans is the next step because half of Americans like in the city.
OK sure set up light rail and bus so those people can get around town.
Not going to agrue with that. But saying that people who live in suburbs or farther out will ever rely on waiting for a trolley/train/bus is fucking nuts.

>>782517
Having a car isn't some kind of sin, its useful and if your so worried about the enviornment, carpool.

>>782487
ha, i didn't notice the angles until you said something. one internet to you sir.

unknown status:
told [ ]
not told [ ]

>>782517
buy locally? just gtfo, with that comment. Its pretty apparent you're a single.

thanks for trying to tell me how to live my life. Have fun in your condo, bro

>>782517
what the hell is a removal company

>>782530
>OK sure set up light rail and bus so those people can get around town.
>light rail and bus
no
>But saying that people who live in suburbs or farther out will ever rely on waiting for a trolley/train/bus is fucking nuts.
No one said that dipshit. Commuter train. HEAVY RAIL. Multiple Electric Unit. Get the picture? A commuter train traveling form a city centre terminal, through the metropolitan, through the surrounding urban area, through to suburbs, terminating at rural fringe. Lets say out to 34 miles. Numerous lines, classic hub and spoke arrangement.
Regional railways extending several of these to regional areas, smaller cities/big towns, rural areas, etc out to say 100-200 miles. Operating Diesel Multiple Unit or Locomotive hauled since the expense of electrification probably isn't worth it, although if you want to fine.

"BAWWW! BAWWW! BAWWW!
I wanna do what ever I want 'cause I live in America! I don't won't to wait ten minutes for a fuckin' train or bus, I wanna go NOW! And if I have to pay anything so those stupid hippies can ride a fuckin' bus, I'm going to have a hissy fit!
And I wan't an oompa loompa NOW, daddy!"

That's basically all I hear from the people against public transportation.

>>782552
not a car and cant carry a family of 4 like the guy said

>>782569
>Lets say out to 34 miles.
doesn't HAVE to be, some could be shorter of course, depends how the place is arranged.

>>782569
but that's dumb. driving is cheaper. see amtrak.

>>782569
ok fine, let me know when we have one in every city in america. Until then I'll be happily driving to work, alone.

>>782583
average working american has two vehicles

>>782576
you seem to think its an option for everyone. glad to see you're thinking for everyone also

>>782588
amtrak is inter-city and inter-regional, that however was strictly talking about inside a city and its suburbs and beyond

Owning a car is a fucking hassle

$840 a year for passes saves me quite a bit of money which I can spend on more enjoyable things

>>782589
not going to get built with that attitude

>>782576
>>782569

Jesus Christ- You guys are acting like this will be affordable in any measure. You know how government plans always go overbudget? Imagine the same thing happening here.

Also, I support a better rail system for America, but it will NEVER be viable to have one connecting every city, especially during the prolonged downturn.

Faggot here, your so dumbz op! How canz I fill my forclozed mcmansion with big shiny shit I getz from workin special city job? Its 2 hours away and dumb slutbag wifey too busy pooping my babiez to help!

Congratulations American white males. You are literally too stupid to insult.

>>782613
that plan is quite affordable, its not as if it was suggesting the Moscow Metro
and who said anything about connecting cities? that was about inside one city surrounding area.

>>782613
>>782621
a lot more affordable than endless freeways & highways and the cars and the fuel and the pollution

>>782611
you know what's a fucking hassle? dealing with fucking public transportation, and walking the rest of the way.

go out to my car. get in, drive to where i want to go, anywhere on the continent. park where i want, get out.

get gas once a week, change oil once every three months. whoopdeefuckingdo

this thread is basically about some guy who probably rides a fixedgear bike and rages about cars that cut his hipster ass off.

sage for having no point

>>782348
>>782348

bus? taxis? metros?

>>782621
Thats a bit better then. I still think there would be tons of legal jargon before it even got to the table, how many people do you think are going to complain about higher taxes when they already pay for cars? How many of them are going to want to give up that luxury, considering a good majority of people in the city using rail pay less taxes?

/new/ - trains and transportation

>>782323
you just listed a bunch of cities that arent worth living in anyway, besides denver, and they are trying to get light rail going

>>782626
in Soviet Russia, Classical Museum is Subway Station

>>782652
yeah some poorfags obsessed with public transportation have been dropping the same threads every day for a good two weeks now. what else is new.

they should go to /o/ but they know they'd get fucking owned there.

I consider myself to be liberal but this thread just makes me want to choke these enviro-nazis to fucking death.

GTFO with this shit already.

>>782628
I don't know who is worse Yuppie cunts who buy so much crap that their ecological footprint (not carbon) is a small country or the hipster hypocrites who power the libby media to undermine the actual culture of sustainability.

>>782658
lightrail & commuter actually

>>782658
in case you didn't notice, denver is pretty much bankrupt lol

>>782637
money saved by not constantly building & maintain freeways & highways, money saved by reduced driving

Crital mass BROSEF!

CARS ARE FUCKING CAGES!

>finishes the ride then heads back the parking lot where he loads his bike in the trunk and drives home.

>>782688
why not ride the bike home? or catch a bus from the railway station?

>>782627
>park where i want

suburban fag detected.
try living somewhere with people and culture

>>782674
good then a public works program is exactly what they need

>>782697
i live off of hyde park. is boston suddenly backwoods or something?

>>782697

>>782678
>implying there won't be the same amount of cost (if not more) involved in building and maintaining public transportation systems

Fuck trains. The nice thing about cars is that I don't have to be near other people.

>>782678
It's a positive feedback loop.
Invest more in Public Transit = More people using public transit.
More people using public transit = less people using freeways
Less people using freeways = less money spent on freeways
Less money spent on freeways = more money for public transit
repeat as neccessary. Eventually the system ends up spurring its own growth.
Not to mention developement along certain rail lines and added tax revenue.

NEWS FLASH: most americans LIKE driving

>>782724
because you have a social anxiety disorder & assburgers

>>782736
aside from that, rail is cheaper and more efficient and cleaner

>>782741
did they prefer driving before the streetcar systems like this one >>782323 were torn up & shut down in the 1950s?

Plant more trees = more public transportation for niggers.

The thing is OP. Driving a car is a lot more fun than sitting next to niggers in some smelly shithole of a bus.

WHY CAN'T WE BE LIKE EUROPE/JAPAN? THEY'RE SO COOL!

jesus, it's like you faggots have never picked up a girl from her house before or something

>>782773
>4chan

>>782773
I meet her at the train station

>>782758
This. I have seen your comment on other threads about rail and despite its racism your absolutley right. People don't want to sit next to others akwardly, a car gives you personal freedom do smoke, listen to music and do whatever. The fact alot of poor use transportation does not help either, many of which are minorities.

Picture related.

Trains and buses don't let me take a bunch of stuff around with me.

>>782790
>you have a social anxiety disorder & assburgers

>>782706

Red Sox fan detected. GTFO

Train lovers are collectivist shits. Car lovers are individualists. Fuck trains.

>>782810

There aren't any niggers in my car.

>>782835
See, trains are fucking assholes.

They'll pry my car from my cold, mangled hands.

>>782706

I've visited Boston a bunch of times, parking isn't easy to find. No idea what Hyde Park is like. Or where it is.

Uh, okay.

It's more convenient and personal.

Plus America's population density favors personal transportation more.

>>782937
>Plus America's population density favors personal transportation more.
your personal opinion conflicts with fact: >>782507

>>782800
>Implying I have a disorder
>Implying I was talking about myself and not the stupid masses
>wtfamireading.jpg

I found OPs Utopia!

>>782951

Metropolitan dwellers also have to buy grocery and commute to work. Living in the city does not completely eliminate the need to travel.

also, shitloads of people live in suburbs within or near metro ares, they need cars.

>>782964
how else do we explain how uncomfortable you become at the idea of interacting with strangers in public

>>782985
I was talking about people in general as agreeing with the other poster... I use public transportation myself!

>>782983
a suburban commuter train network has already been described, please scroll up
as for getting to/from it from a distance greater than walking well the bus acts as a feeder, picks people up in suburbs and streets drops them off at station or other places in the area

>>782627
>Spend 5 minutes online with journey planner to find the fastest route for me
>Put money on card (once a month, takes 30 seconds, can be done at any station or 90% of shops)
>Get onto bus/tube
>Swipe Oyster card
>Go to where I want

IT'S SOOOOOO COMPLICATED

>Find out how I'm going to afford a car
>Learn to drive
>Get car insurance
>Needs continuous maintenance
>Needs to be refilled with gas
>Have to find parking every day/night, not so problematic for home/work but an issue for other travel

>>783005

considering how sparse some suburbs are and the amount of shit people buy, it might not always work.

Also, people don't want to plan their trips around public transportation holiday time.