>Eliminate Social Security
>Universal health care

Does not compute, brah.

0/10

How about we start with a constitutional amendment to eliminate deficit spending that includes entitlements (SS, Medicare, and Medicaid) and discretionary spending. We can move on from there.

Doesn't uk mostly have private schools these days?

Cool trollan, bro

It was all good until:

>8. Universal healthcare
9. Eliminate borders between Canada and Mexico
10. Eliminate Department of Homeland Security

I call this political position "minarchist libertarian who just got a huge medical bill in the mail".

lol universal healthcare? privatize it bro.

>9. Eliminate borders between Canada and Mexico
>10. Eliminate Department of Homeland Security
>4. Eliminate Social Security

DUUUUUUUUUURP

What's wrong with getting rid of social security? Fuck the niggers and (most) of the disabled.

3. So no taxes then? You dumbass
4. So we should all work until we're 84 and die?
7. So we should all have to pay much, much more for education? No thanks. College is expensive enough being 'Public' - not to mention how much private four-year colleges cost. If anything, eliminate Private schooling and home-schooling so we don't have ghetto schools in some areas, and rich, white suburban schools in other area. It creates problems.

Everything else is good though, well played. I never thought I'd disagree AND agree so much.

>>77726
10 REAL ways America can improve itself.

1. Deport all niggers
2. Deport all beaners
3. Deport all sandniggers
4. Cut aid to all third world shitholes
5. Cut welfare
6. Kill all suspected terrorists without trial
7. Put in strict financial regulations
8. Term limits on senators and congressmen
9. PUNISH news outlets
10. Push education

>>77777 getttt

Answer to first two is " youre fucking communist and a pothead junkie, get a life."
Answers 3 and 4 are YES please.
answers 5 and 6 are WE NEED DEFENSES! FUCK YOU
7 is a yes as long as the government does not regulate it.
8 through 10 .... I have only one thing to say to you

MARXIST FUCKWAD. You have no idea what kind of idiicoy that brings to the world. " OH LOOK we got no borders! lets fucking strike a nuclear missile at the united Mexico states of Canada!

>>77796
lol'd
never seen so mixed communist-fascist propaganda before

>4. Eliminate Social Security
>3. Eliminate IRS

>>77788

you seem to think that competition doesn't breed excellence. I believe that privatized schools will be a good thing. Private schools are expensive now, yes.

But open the doors to true competition, and it will drive costs down. I imagine that, even in the "walmart of schools" you will likely get a better education than you can at most inner city public schools right now.

1. Civil unions, and shut up.
2. Yeah, because that's working out so well for California, amirite? LOL ENJOY UR BANKRUPTCY.
3. Sure, if you implement Fair Tax instead.
4. No.
5. Fuck you're dumb.
6. Really, really dumb.
7. This one I agree with. And it should be easier to fire teachers too.
8. HAHAHAHA, fuck you, you stupid fuck.
9. First off, you're assuming they would agree to this, you stupid, stupid, stupid, miserably worthless fuck. Second, the only one who benefits from this is Mexico, and you know... anyone who decides to snak in from there. If you just want to rename America Mexico, why don't you just say so, you stupid, stupid, stupid little fuck.
10. Did I mention you're a stupid fuck who shouldn't be allowed to vote?

>>77726

1; sure
2; Um.. no. We already have enough idiots.
3; Eventually, yes
4; Uhh... no. It just needs to be improved.
5; Sure
6; Of course
7; No. Government should realize that education is its most important investment and take a firm, direct hand.
8; Eventually
9; Uhh... what? You mean the way the EU has it set up? Sure. If you mean try to merge.. eh... no
10. I don't think so.

No, what the U.S needs to do is realize that its problems stem from a poor foundation. I will simply this down. You build a house. You built it on an uneven foundation, a weak foundation, but you still build ontop of it. It works, for a while. For a long time if you are lucky, but eventually, you will have to repair it right? As with any house, sure. Now, what do you find? Most of your problems stem not from old age or wear and tear, but from a shitty foundation. What do you do? Well the U.S has decided to just try to repair the house, fix it up, make it look nice. What they need to do? Break that foundation, reset it. A house built upon a foundation of shit will only sink into shit.

>>77796

approved, by me

>>77796

1. Kill all rednecks
2. Kill all rednecks
3. Kill all rednecks
4. Kill all rednecks
5. Kill all rednecks
6. Kill all rednecks
7. Kill all rednecks
8. Kill all rednecks
9. Kill all rednecks
10. Kill all rednecks

>>77726
>10 ways America can improve itself.
>9. Eliminate borders between Canada and Mexico
>and Mexico
...

>5. Close all foreign military bases
>6. Reduce military spending

I'd actually be pretty okay with this. It'd be one thing if a nation had a referendum that said, "Hey America, we'd love you to stay!". But other than that, fuck 'em.

>>77802

forgot one thing, OP

11. send the negroes back to africa

>>77796
While I agree with most of your post, it's hard to deny that 1) those "niggers" provided our country with the slave labor that built the strong foundation we have. They are citizens so it would be hard to deport them. Let's encourage the good blacks to improve the niggers, or at least continue to encourage the nignogs to persue football and basketball and other legitimate avenues.
2) I find that most mexicans/Hispanics are hard working and family oriented with decent values. Let's clear up the illegals issue and be glad we have allies with these people. I don't mind the mexicans.

1. no
2. yes
3. maybe
4. maybe
5. no
6. maybe
7. NO, also
>privitize

8.no
9. no.
10.no

So your list is fail pretty much.

1. Get the government out of marriage completely
2. Legalize all victimless crimes (including drug use, prostitution, and seatbelt laws)
3. Downsize the IRS (we still have to levvy taxes.)
4. Eliminate social security
5. Close foriegn military bases
6. reduce military and police spending
7.Privatize education, and deregulate healthcare and insurance
8. allow open borders and free-trade
9. eliminate all subsidies and grants.
10. Put power back into state and local governments.

1. Decriminalize all drugs
2. Legalize pot
3. Release non-violent drug offenders from prison
4. Single payer OPTION for healthcare
5. Cut aid to places like somolia, who only use that aid as a tool to starve whoever opposes them
6. Increase "Green" or non-oil energy options to remove power from OPEC and their terrorist friends
7. Got bored and stopped here.

I agree with almost all of these except privatizing education. Now if you defederalized it...that's a different thing entirely, I would whole heartedly agree that education should be up to the state/local government and not the Feds.

And I presume that the Universal Healthcare will have components which resemble Social Security/end-of-life funds? Taking full care of our old people is financially burdensome, even on a higher middle class family.

I would like taking down the border with Canada, but the border with Mexico should probably remain up...it's not the Mexicans themselves, it's the fact that their government is not strong enough to prevent undesirables originating even farther south to come up through their country and enter ours. That's my only complaint; it could be remedied by helping Mexico increase their own border defenses so that the anarchic environments of countries like Colombia don't have an adverse effect.

>>77817
>implying that california's marijuana laws are responsible for bankrupting the state

>>77825
Butthurt liberal full of white guilt detected

If the government did all that you wanted, I'd secede from the union, blow up a few " obama foundations" and end up on a terrorist list.

>>77860
>>Decriminalize all drugs
>>Got bored and stopped here.

I fucking hate you stupid, lazy druggies.

>8. Universal healthcare
>9. Eliminate borders between Canada and Mexico

>>77869
Here's what druggies do all day:

"Hay guyz, lets write to congress to legalize all narcotic drugs!"

*smokes pot, gets busted, complains that it should be legalized* damn I justs pent so much money to bail myself out of jail I think I need to not pay my taxes and vote in communists!

you guys forgot a few

-stop messing with other countries goverments
-stop supporting coups/rebellions/etc

1.yes
2.yes
3.Taxes are unfathomably important to everything that is america. As much as they suck dick, we need them.
4. Yes
5. No. This isn't a root problem in our nation
6. Yes
7. eh
8. No, you're a communist twit
9. No, you're a fucking dumbass
10. Now i'm done commenting, I can't stand the stupid that's in this and the previous two questions

>>77796
ITT armchair lawmakers

>>77863
I wasn't implying that, I was stating that legalizing pot hasn't done shit for their economy.

>>77796
We'd be stuck with Asians then.

>>77726
FAIL

>>77802

>pothead junkie

Holy shit I can't stand listening to the 15 year old children of conservative suburbanites talk about drugs on the internet.

Let's get this straight before you're due in bed.

Junk= Slang term originally used to describe Heroin
Heroin user= junkie

Much like using the term "chocoholic" to describe yourself, using the word junkie to describe a "pothead" is mind numbingly retarded.

I agree, with the exceptions of 5 and 6.

Cannabis requires no processing unlike Cocaine,Heroin,Alcohol,Opium,Methamphetamine,Ecstasy,etc...

Also the Chinese used it to cure a lot of ailments.

Why am I posting this lol you Jews don't really care.

>>77900
and youre a fucking tool for smoking the shit.

>>77848

imokaywiththis.jpg

Universal healthcare and Legalize gay marriage I can agree with.

Everything else...yeeeaaah. Japan seems to be trying to take care of the issue itself against better judgment, but more power to them if they succeed and survive.

Filthy libtards destroying America.

>>77911

1. Balanced Budget.
2. Abolish Party Affiliations on Ballots.
3. Get rid of Patriot Act.
4. End Wars but maintain a strong Military.
5. Space exploration.
6. Get rid of the Income Tax or a get better tax system in general.

1. Define ALL marriages as civil unions and allow religious institutions to do whatever the fuck they want
2. Legalize ALL drugs
3. Universal Single-payer healthcare
4. Redirect piece of bloated military budget to education and healthcare costs
5. Take back the bailout money back and pay off debt for poor and middle-class families along with hefty tax refunds
6. End the war on terror and focus military efforts on actual national defense
7. FORGET ABOUT FUCKING CLEAN COAL/ETHANOL BULLSHIT
8. Impose crippling penalties on corporate ocean/air/ground pollution
9. fund massive solar panel/windmill initiative and easily power entire nation
10. Take more of former bailout money and eliminate homelessness

>>77939
>2.Legalize ALL drugs

I was with you up to this point.

>>77939
you forgot number 11

11. Ride Unicorns into the sunset

>>77953
I lol'd

>>77848
probably the best list (well for you minarchist/libertarian types)

>1. Legalize gay marriage
Agreed, let the christfags rage all they want. Hetrosexual marriage is still available.
>2. Legalize marijuana
Agreed, eventually expand it to regulate and tax all drugs.
>3. Eliminate IRS
You still need the IRS for federal taxes.
4. Eliminate Social Security
>What about the elderly that depend on it. I rather expand social security to everyone that makes any income under $25,000
>5. Close all foreign military bases
Agreed
>6. Reduce military spending
Agreed
>7. Privitize education
No, No Child Left Behind is actually accelating privation of public schools. I rather have pay taxes to have accountable public education.
>8. Universal healthcare
Need more than ever.
>9. Eliminate borders between Canada and Mexico
Free borders, allow citizens of all three countries to move or work as long as they're registered, that's cool.
>10. Eliminate Department of Homeland Security
I rather change it to the Department of Home Affairs. Have FEMA has it's own cabinet seat back, and have the new Department of Home Affairs focus on public safety.

>>77949
Sounds radical, but if you follow the prohibition argument to its logical conclusion, no war on drugs will ever be any more successful than marijuana and alcohol prohibition. We might as well tax and regulate it all, because users obviously don't give a shit about the legal status.

1. Legalize polygamy and incest, too. Any association between consenting persons should not be illicit.
2. Why just marijuana? Legalize all behavior that doesn't physically hurt others.
3. Get rid of the other taxes, too. Taxation is theft.
4. Get rid of Medicare too.
5. We don't need diplomats overseas either.
6. Abolish the entire military.
7. Abolish licensing, the FDA, and other regulations.
8. Completely de-statize education. No licensing/accreditation or subsidies. None of that conservative voucher non-sense either.
9. Migration should be completely free.
10. Get rid of all the other departments as well.

>>77974
Because we need more people running around on PCP and LSD amiright? Can you imagine night clubs and bars?

America will be a paradise once all white people die out. Truly an ugly breed of human.

>>77726

1. Legalize gay marriage K
2. Legalize marijuana Definitely.
3. Eliminate IRS sure
4. Eliminate Social Security k
5. Close all foreign military bases ...no
6. Reduce military spending yes
7. Privitize education Fuck no.
8. Universal healthcare Yep
9. Eliminate borders between Canada and Mexico Canada ok, mexico no.
10. Eliminate Department of Homeland Security No

1. Repeal the Federal Reserve Act.
2. Establish flat tax.
3. Secede from UN.
4. Repeal the PATRIOT Act.
5. Repeal the 16th Amendment.
6. Abolish Government Welfare.
7. Abolish the IRS and CFR.
8. Amend Constitution to ban Centralized Banking.
9. Abolish Party Affiliations on Ballots.
10. Stop meddling in foreign affairs, fuck Iraq, fuck Haiti and fuck giving any support to Israel.

>>77997
If you think PCP users are on the same level as LSD users, then you probably don't have a very practical understanding of drugs.

>>78026
No... How was that even
>implied

>>78013
I'd vote for you.

>>77949

what the fuck is wrong with you are you a baby boomer or some shit? I'm sure you'd rather we continue the massively failure of the war on drugs not to mention letting all the scum of mexico percolate and then come here and fuck things up.

If you're under the age of 40 and you still believe this just fucking kill yourself.

get cancer.

Guys why won't the feds allow research to be done on weed?

But they will gladly hand over harder drugs for study?

Yes I have tinfoil on my head right now as we speak.

>>78044
No XxPotHead69xX just suddenly going LEGALIZE FUCKING EVERYTHING would be a terrible idea, maybe ease society into it with weed and crack and enforce stick laws keeping these fuckers in private buildings well under the influence. We'll need laws and restrictions still, some we probably wouldn't even think of right now.

>>78013
>seceed from the UN

>>78080
Spain did it.

>>78095
No one cares about Spain.

>>78101
Ha, no one cares about you!

1. Disband

>>78132
From what, tripfriend?

I like how all you fags are competition will breed excellence, but won't privatize things like the firefighters and the police since by that logic it will breed the best firefighters and police officers!

Oh wait, I forgot I'm dealing with hypocrites and greedy bastards.

>>78141
The United States Federal Government and its 50 sub-states should disband if they want to improve every American's life.

>>78188
privatized firefighters and security forces would be okay with me. But the decision should be made on a local basis.

Be as unforgiving as China.
Be unafraid to swing the massive cock of out military on the faces of terror organizations.

>>78235
Ah, I see so the privatize forces would only save the people the state wants to save.

>>78261
I said local, not state. so if a township decided on private firefighters and security, there would be a fee. If they choose a government option, then taxes would be levied in the the township, or outliers who optioned in.

You also seem to forget about volunteer firefighters and police forces. They do exist.

1: Ignore this thread. Your sanity will thank you.

>>78304
So, why are you people are against the public option for Health Care then if that's the case? Oh wait, I forgot the greedy bastards want to suck the money out of people to fund themselves. Silly me.

Also,

>implying volunteers can cover the entire city and handle every situation.

>1. Legalize gay marriage
Sure, equal rights for all + points for US.
>2. Legalize marijuana
Sure, its not like everyone doesn't already smoke it anyway. +points for US.
>3. Eliminate IRS
Yes, however some form of taxes will be needed to be kept so the government has spending money.
>4. Eliminate Social Security
Yes, personal savings should be all one needs to live comfortably after work, however that is not always the case, some other system would need to be worked out.
>5. Close all foreign military bases
I agree with getting the fuck out of the Middle East, or at least drop our guise of bringing freedom and just take the oil other bases are good in the event of us needing to aid one of our allies in case of an attack, but that seems unlikely. + - definitely goes both ways here
>6. Reduce military spending
Sure, we already kick ass, and if were ever outgunned we still have nukes. + points for US.
>7. Privitize education
It'll make it less shitty. + points for US.
>8. Universal healthcare
Fuck no, once the government is in control of your health, they will be in control of other aspects of your life.
>9. Eliminate borders between Canada and Mexico
Fuck no, there's nothing to gain from creating the NAU.
>10. Eliminate Department of Homeland Security
No opinion.

>1. Legalize gay marriage
>1.
>On the list.
>On top of said list.
>Anywhere remotely on top, on or near list.

My version is better:

1. Eliminate state regulation of marriage beyond contract enforcement.
2. Legalize all drugs. Self ownership means you can choose what you put into your body.
3. Eliminate the income tax. Taxing productivity dsincentivizes it.
4. Privatize social security with the end goal of eliminating it by the time Generation X comes to retirement age.
5. Close all foreign military bases
6. Return to the American tradition of no standing armies outside of wartime. Empower the state militias.
7. Privatize education
8. Deregulate healthcare and eliminate mandatory emergency room acceptance. Tired of paying $400 for stitches at the ER? If you weren't paying the bills of deadbeats as well, it might be more reasonable. Can't afford to see a doctor for stitches? Go to a nurse. More low cost option drives competition, and allows for more accessibility for the poor.
9. Allow states more enforcement of their own borders, interstate and international.
10. Eliminate Department of Homeland Security, Department of Education, FDA, USDA, and scores of other unelected bureaucrats.

>>77726
Closing all foreign military bases would accomplish reducing spending.

>>77788
>4. So we should all work until we're 84 and die?

Save money on your own and retire when you have enough to live on.

11. kill corporate person hood deader than the dinosaurs
12. drastically reduce corn (for hfcs) and beef subsidies, subsidise all vegetables and fruit

>>79562
Because empowering states worked out real well the last time it happened.
as for OP
1. Yes. Pointless argument that distracts people from real problems.
2. Maybe. Legalization with tax will drive up cost for buyers and sellers.
3. A tax-code re-write would be a better option.
4. Yeah I guess. A regulated private SS seems like a better option.
5. We can at least close down the ones that are the least useful or at least globalize them (i.e. Okinawa air base can be shared by Japanese Military and Air Force)
6. Big yes here. We have too many shiny toys to play with already.
7. HAHA how HIGH do you have to be to DO that? Most private colleges either cost HELLA money or are for-profit and dubious in their education.
8. Seems to work for Cuba.
9. Illegal immigration has been an irk of this nation ever since it was founded and this idea isn't going to change that
10. Look we made a color coded system! Well isn't that special? Yes. CIA needs better staff and funding anyway.

>1. Legalize gay marriage
Yes
>2. Legalize marijuana
Yes
>3. Eliminate IRS
Eliminate? No. Alter the extent of their role and drastically simplify the tax code YES!
>4. Eliminate Social Security
Iffy on this one. I like the idea of social security, but it was implemented before the baby boom, and when people barely lived past 70. Having a bunch of baby boomers retiring and likely living into their 80's or 90's and expecting that shit to be paid for off the backs of the young during a recession no less is pretty insane.
>5. Close all foreign military bases
Some, not all. Keep ones of high strategic value, while pulling back a great deal to save money and for good PR to make it look like we're backing down on our imperialistic trends.
>6. Reduce military spending
Yes
>7. Privitize education
Provided there are minimum standards and assistance for the poor to afford schooling, I have no problem with this. Hell, it will probably cut costs while increasing educational standards by a ton. I went to a religious private school, apart from the Jesus freakery in most areas the educational standard was far above public schools, small class sizes (largest I had was about 20 in first grade, smallest was 3 at the beginning of fourth grade, 5 at the end of the year), and cost about 200 bucks a month.
>8. Universal healthcare
I generally want to see government back down in many ways, but this is one i agree with. You aren't expected to go into monstrous debt or whip out the check book when you need the fire department or police, why should medical care be different?
>9. Eliminate borders between Canada and Mexico
Canada yes, Mexico, perhaps in time, but not at this time.
>10. Eliminate Department of Homeland Security
Unsure

1)Eliminate the BATF
2)Eliminate the Federal reserve (and therefore the IRS)
3)Eliminate the department of education (federal propaganda should not be part of education admisitration) education may be payed for by the public but the schools will not be administered by the public.
4)Limit Military to R&D and training, defense from foreign aggressrs only.
5)Privatize social security. Insure it against losses (this will be expensive). Elderly citizens should not penalized for a system that they decided to pay into out of fear.
6)Dismantle the patriot act
7)Eliminate welfare and all welfare programs.
8)Encourage Canadian states to ratify the constitution.
9)Legalize all drugs, tax on such drugs should be proportional to the cost of associated public rehabilitation clinics.
10)ensure constitutional protection in every aspect.

>>79602
>Canadian states
LOLWHUT?

>>79599
Just a couple of suggestions:
Discrepancy in campaign funding: We need to know which side our candidates are on, the people's or the corporation's.
Restoration of Tariffs: Globalization can happen on an electronic scale; on a realistic scale it can only go on so long as gas prices are still reasonable. Before the shit hits the fan we need to become more self-sufficient and the only way to stop outsourcing and create jobs is to raise taxes on imports. Made in the USA indeed.
Term limits on House and Senate: Ted Kennedy was a senator for Massachusetts for how many years? So long as aging senile old men run the country we might never get anything done

>>79604
>state:
a political association with effective internal and external sovereignty over a geographic area and population which is not dependent on, or subject to any other power or state.

anyone can join the united states if they follow due process.

>>79601

hi.
Third World anon here.
I agree that some private school is good.
Like the good ole Catholic schools and in the end
I can speak 3 different languages am good in calculus

but $200 ?????
FUCK!
I didn't even paid that much in one year.

An education is more like a government investment for the future
Those who invest in the youth today will gain the future

>>77933
Thumbs up on this one maybe amend to make running the deficit illegal too.

>>77726
>10 Ways I Can Fuck Up America
Piss off, Ron Paul

1. getting rid of the banking system

>>77817
>1. Civil unions, and shut up.
I oppose gay marriage and I approve this message.

Give all Americans Civil Unions.
You want a "marriage"? Go to your church/synagogue/whatever. Keep the word "marriage" out of government use, and leave it up to private organizations how they want to define it.

>>79751
Then you don't oppose gay marriage.

>1. Legalize gay marriage
i agree
>2. Legalize marijuana
i agree
>3. Eliminate IRS
hell no
>4. Eliminate Social Security
i agree
>5. Close all foreign military bases
i agree
>6. Reduce military spending
i agree
>7. Privitize education
i agree
>8. Universal healthcare
hell no
>9. Eliminate borders between Canada and Mexico
i agree
>10. Eliminate Department of Homeland Security
i agree

Why privatize education ? It's shit enough as it is.

1. EX-TER-MIN-ATE THE DOC-TOR!
2. EX-TER-MIN-ATE THE DOC-TOR!
3. EX-TER-MIN-ATE THE DOC-TOR!
4. EX-TER-MIN-ATE THE DOC-TOR!
5. EX-TER-MIN-ATE THE DOC-TOR!
6. EX-TER-MIN-ATE THE DOC-TOR!
7. EX-TER-MIN-ATE THE DOC-TOR!
8. EX-TER-MIN-ATE THE DOC-TOR!
9. EX-TER-MIN-ATE THE DOC-TOR!
10. EX-TER-MIN-ATE THE DOC-TOR!

>>79759
What are you talking about?
Marriage is considered a sacrament in the Catholic Church. I oppose government sanction of gay marriage, since I believe that marriage is meant to be between a man and a woman.
However, I do not wish to deprive a couple of the same LEGAL rights and responsibilities of another.

Therefore, the best solution is to change the legal term to "Civil Union".

Privatize health care to make it less expensive and advance medical research please.

Also fuck jimmy carter

>Legalize gay marriage

You people are silly. Giving gays the same "rights" as normal couples defeats the purpose tax wise. People are given tax breaks when they get married because they can [spoiler]reproduce[/spoiler]. Since gays don't have that function between the two of them, they don't deserve the breaks that normal married couples get. It has nothing to do with "intolerance" or any stupid idea like that which seems to get thrown around. You can still call them your husband/wife with a civil union but if you think that a marriage that can produce a family is the same as one that can't (without adoption or surrogate parents) then you don't know have any idea what you're talking about.

>>79784
And for couples who don't reproduce (because of biological issues or otherwise)? And what about gay couples who choose to adopt or have a child through a surrogate?

>>77796

THIS

>>79789

Can't help the biological part. Yeah it sucks but you can't handicap them for biologically having the ability from birth even when it's blocked beyond their control (i.e. narrow urethas, barren wombs, etc). People who choose not to have children have that right and deserve it because they still have the ability to do so. Gays don't have the option whatsoever without adoption. I do believe they should have the option to adopt because I don't believe being gay is a choice people make. So a child watching their parents being "gay together" will effect how they turn out as adults. But they don't deserve the breaks because without that option, they have nothing to contribute through passing of genes from parent to child. Surrogates also don't count because it's not DNA from both parents. Only one.

>>79807
Well, if you think being gay is an issue of biology and not a personal choice, shouldn't they be afforded the same rights as a straight couple who can't reproduce because of biological factors?

And why exactly do you discriminate between a child produced with direct genetic inheritance and a child without?

>>79819
Not to mention, if this is purely a matter regarding tax breaks, you don't think it's unfair to financially punish a child who was adopted by gay parents?

>>79819
>>79820

That was just my personal opinion. Others see it as a "personal choice" but I don't think that men just wake up one day and think, "I like dongs now." I don't see that as a logical step someone takes. While it may seem like I'm setting a double standard, I'm going to and say yeah it's unfortunate about the biological thing. But for a gay couple to say they are just like any other couple is casein point incorrect. As much as they want to be normal, it is still mostly abnormal in our current world. The gay community may have a big presence but it's far from being humanly normal.

Again this is only how I feel about it. I'm not making a case for anyone who feels they shouldn't legalize gay marriage.

>>79819
>>79820
Shut the fuck up and quit arguing with that faggot.

Gays should get Civil Unions.
Straight people should get Civil Unions.
The definition of the term "marriage" should be relegated to private institutions, with each allowed to decide who to "marry" and who not to.

Now sit down and shut up.

>>79838

Your butthurt is showing.

>>79834
Fair enough. I respect your opinion.

I'm still interested in hearing why you see a difference between adopted children and children with direct genetic inheritance; as well as why you think children adopted by gay couples shouldn't be given the same financial advantages as children born or adopted into straight families.

>>79838
Sir, I will give you the same degree of courtesy you afford me. I'm not interested in shouting into the abyss; I'm genuinely interested in hearing different opinions.

>>79838

>>77726
1. Will happen but it will require dragging the conservatives kicking and screaming
2. Getting close to that
3. lol
4. LOL
5. HAHA OH WOW
6. I wish
7. I lol'd hard
8. YES THIS A THOUSAND TIMES
9. Canada yes, mexico no.
10. They really dont do shit except suck up money

>>79838
hey cool someone who agrees with me

Isn't the government being involved in marriage pretty fucking dumb bro?

I mean what the fuck is up with the government being the one who decides who is married?

Civil unions should be a contract that has to be renewed every set period of time, say 5 or 10 years or something, it would solve the divorce problems, solve separation of church and state issues, resolve all this equal rights for homosexuals and straights shit and protect religious institutions from lawsuits regarding discrimination all in one go

>>79850
>hearing different opinions
That's not what I hear from the faggots that are always protesting in CA.
The religious idiots are just as bad, refusing to think they might be wrong.

The thing is, you both are. The debate shouldn't even be over the definition of marriage, but about what term the government uses to refer to legal unions as.

>>79846

That's what it's all about isn't it? Passing on the genes (inb4 MGS Flashback) from parent to child and further developing the human race and prolonging our life on this miserable rock. Gay people, while taking care of a child, they have nothing vested in this child besides pure emotional attachment. They have no choice in having a child where each parent contributes the chromosomes to the child. I'm not sure if that sound convoluted or not but I feel it's not justification when they only support someone else's contribution rather than their own.

>>79861
>gov involved in marriage is dumb
fo sho, mah nigga

But yeah, personally, I don't agree with gay marriage. I do believe gay couples should get the same legal rights.

VOILA, CIVIL UNIONS FOR ALL

Keep marriage in the churches, civil unions in the gov
It's awright

>>79872
Just shut up.
Personally I agree with you; I follow NARTH and all that jazz.
However, there is no way this discussion can accomplish anything with a faggot like >heartsonfire

so just stop

>>79867
I'm not protesting in California, nor am I someone defending marriage as a moral/religious institution.

Also, neither ResidentConservifag nor I were discussing semantics. In >>79784 he clearly said that gay couples should not be given the same "rights" as straight couples, the primary being tax benefits. I was interested in hearing why he thought so.

Calm down and have a cookie.

>>79878

All I did was voice my opinion. This is a discussion on a board for discussion. I think it you who can put it in your pooper.

>>79872
>Gay people, while taking care of a child, they have nothing vested in this child besides pure emotional attachment.
You can say the same thing about straight couples who adopt though. But under your terms, they'd still be given financial advantages that gay couples who choose to adopt aren't given.

>>79903

Because they have the organs necessary for creating their own parasite. Biological impairments be damned, gay people don't have that option with each other either way.

>>79903

I don't expect to be understood. As I said, it's probably really convoluted and double standard of me to think this way but iot makes sense in my head.

straight couples don't have anything but an emotional attachment. Foster families don't have anything but an emotional attachment (sometimes not even)

I used to be anti-gay-marriage, but I don't see the point.

>>79886
> ResidentConservifag said that gay couples should not be given the same "rights" as straight couples
He's a faggot too
Seriously, it's faggots like him that give such a bad name to the religious folk of America

>>79912
>creating their own parasite.
Lol, just don't refer to your own children as that in the future. ;P

Well, it seems like we're at an impasse of fundamental differences. Still, I appreciate you taking the time to answer my questions.

>>79903
>>79912

>>79928

Thanks for not completing what he said. Religious fags would agree with me but not for the same reasons. As I said before, my personal opinion is not necessarily shared by others but it's what I think on the subject.

>>79930

No problem sir. It's been a pleasure. :D

>>79938
Not a 'sir' actually, but I'll overlook the misconception.

I think >>79932 is a bit perturbed that there can be civil disagreements on /new/.

Privatize education, but you want public healthcare? Wtf lol. You are fucking contradicting yourself.

>>77726
>1. Legalize gay marriage
Fuck those homosexuals. Why should the country support them?
>2. Legalize marijuana
Fuck those druggies. Why should the country support them?
>3. Eliminate IRS
Works for me.
>4. Eliminate Social Security
Works for me.
>5. Close all foreign military bases
Works for me.
>6. Reduce military spending
Fuck that. Why should we reduce it?
>7. Privitize education
That would work for me. Children no longer being indoctrinated by the state.
>8. Universal healthcare
Fuck that. I don't trust my government with my money, I'm not going to trust them with my health care. Why should there be universal health care?
>9. Eliminate borders between Canada and Mexico
Oh shut the fuck up hippie. Why the fuck should we do that?
>10. Eliminate Department of Homeland Security
Give me a fucking break. Why?

>>77724
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