I'm okay with that.

Only illegal aliens and libtard morons who would defend a pedophile to the ends of the earth really have a dog in this fight...

>>725608
Go back to your country faggot

LOL

Liberals butthurt that they won't be getting their illegal votes.

>>725620
Rush Limbaw defended a pedophile

>>725622

Go back to yours, you're obviously a shitskin.

Maybe if the average american didn't demand $50 an hour to hang drywall we wouldn't be in this mess.

>>725625

>implying Liberals won't shut this shit down on the grounds that it's unconstitutional.

Obama already said immigration policy control needs to be the same and fair on a state-to-state basis. He's already assembled a legal team to see if this is in fact a violation of civil liberties. I wonder how our Supreme Court will rule on this with members like Sotomayor on its panel? Protip: It won't be in favor of your dumbshit Conservatard policies.

>>725650
And one step closer to civil war we march, thanks to the suicidal policies of liberals...

>>725632
Try again

>>725649
Maybe if DirtShit Mexicans weren't scum they could have had an Industrial Revolution like rest of the modern world, shit happens when your brown.

>>725649
>Implying that a lack of Third World living standards are the problem here

>>725659
"Suicidal policie" you say?? HAHAHAHA
You think this is going to lead to a civil war! WAHAHAHAHA!

And I'm sure you think its the unions fault for the Civil war

>>725666
My brown what?

>>725666
>>725670
I'm not defending illegal immigration by an means but unions have really become far too corrupt and overbearing in their demands. Entitlement by American workers is destroying our economy. Why pay some asshole in Detroit $70 an hour to rivet shit together all day long when a Mexican will do it for $10 with a smile on his face?

Again I'm not defending illegal immigration, it should be stopped dead in its tracks, but the ridiculous demands made by the average American union thug are ridiculous...

>>725693
I don't fully endores unions either, but they are not whats dragging this economy down

>>725693
Ever bought a car built in mexico? They've tried exporting car manufacturing jobs to mexico... the results were less than stellar.

This law is just going give the asshole sheriff an excuse to harass the people in Guadalupe more than they already do.

I don't think that this is the right way to handle it, but maybe it will make the feds realize how bad this problem has gotten in certain parts of the country.

>>725745
welcome to where the bailout money went to :\

>>725891
this is EXACTLY why it was passed

arizona kept asking for more troops on the border etc and this is what fucking happens

liberals are the cancer killing America

they don't care that a drug toting illegal recently killed an innocent man that had been asking the government for help in keeping those violent criminals from running though his property.

they only care about fighting for ideals, not their neighbors or children.

>>725921

wat

>>725620
You work that ad hominim and straw man. one day you will become good enough to troll with the big boys.

ITT: We accept document checks at traffic stops, airports, banks, businesses, etc..

But if a suspected criminal is asked? FASCISM

>>725921
I am not a liberal, but I oppose this and you're damn skippy I consider American ideals more important than anything else. A citizen first and foremost is responsible for his own defense.

>>725598
b-b-but I thought obama was the one turning the us into nazi germany

>>725993
Private business is private business. You don't have to have ID to get through an airport (seriously, look it up), and traffic stops only require that you have the documents needed to legally drive.

We should buy Mexico, send the minutemen as the first wave against the cartels (two birds), and give people jobs by destroying and rebuilding that shithole

>>726037

You don't have to these things the same way you don't "have to" submit to breathalizer tests or register for SS numbers.

Working in this country and enjoying its benefits is not right, and the system should treat it as such.

>>725659
Because control of the national borders isn't the domain of the Federal Government, amirite?

Oh Conservatards shitting on their own constitution.

>>726098
You don't have to submit to a breathalyzer, although it's a bigger inconvenience. Anyway, the breathalyzer is on it's way out because people are realizing how retarded it is. SS#s aren't used very often, mostly for dealing with government services and getting a job. There's nothing wrong with that, but that's a HUGE leap from being required to carry proof of citizenship on you at all times under threat of arrest.

>>726123

Being inconvenienced so that law and order is preserved is what one should accept to preserve an ordered society. The hassle of going the station to do paperwork is a lot better than being overrun by crime in the long run. It's the same logic behind why drivers are generally required to carry license and proof of insurance at all times.

>>726145
>Being inconvenienced so that law and order is preserved is what one should accept to preserve an ordered society

Not to the extent of what Arizona is doing. They're taking it to a whole new level. Frankly, your statement reeks of fascism almost as much as AZ's new law. I don't necessarily disagree, but there is a limit. I'd say we've already passed it, and it's just getting worse.

>>726172

The suspects are sent to the station, and charges are only files if they happen to be criminals. Arrests are not convictions, they are not used against you by themselves. It's no different from getting tobacco, guns, or liquor in most places.

Also, Fascism is just one political extreme, with the other extreme being Anarchy. AZ decided to move towards one direction because the pros outweighed the cons.

>>726172
>fatass who struggles for a minute to get to his pockets detected
OH THE INCONVENIENCE!

>>726233
>getting arrested for not having your papers on you
>getting constantly harassed because you're brown skinned

Pretty inconvenient if you ask me.

>>726257
>dont be a dumbass and carry papers with you
real hard bro

>>726204
Arizona is looking at more racial tension, violence, and a general increase in crime. As far as number of illegals go, one of two things could happen. The law could work, in which case the economy would suffer, or the law won't work, in which case you still get all the previous negatives.

>>726275
>if you're not committing a crime, you should have nothing to worry about

you're the kind of retards turning this country into the USSR

>>726297
>obviously has never visited border towns

>>726329
Fucker I live in a border town. You don't know shit about reality, and I bet you've never even met an illegal. You come across as the kind of person who was defending unwarranted wiretaps and rendition flights. Open your fucking eyes and get a clue.

-ASU stiffs Obama on an honorary degree for his commencement speech.
-Show papers/be harassed for all brown people.
-Proposed law demanding birth certificates for presidential candidates (has nothing to do with Obama, they swear).
-McCain likely to lose this November because he's not right-wing enough. McCain.. Not right-wing enough..

Arizona. Worst state in the union.

>>726348
>Ive never met an illegal
>I live in La Mesa
I see more illegals than you on a daily basis

>>726329
fuck you moron, I live in arizona and you have no idea what the fuck you're on about

>>726379
>implying AZ even gets a fraction of CA's illegals
>implying Hispanics arent a majority here

>>726354
AZ is rapidly approaching Oklahoma for the title of "Worst State in the Union."

>>726410
At least it's not the state with the worst image outside of the US.

>>726365
>La Mesa

Sorry kid, I didn't realize you were in baby's first political discussion.

>>726399
>la mesa, ca
>80% white

>>726297

Don't be such a tinfoil-hatter. Obviously there's a risk of abuse. Showing IDs does not create the same kind of risk as constant surveillance.

>>726437
>implying that hasnt drastically changed over the last ten years

>>726437
Do americans use that separation of whites into caucasians and hispanics on statistics or is that just 4chan's white supremacists ranting?

>>726462
>implying living in a small, predominantly white san diego suburb gives you street cred when it comes to talking about illegals.

>>726469
The US census has whites at 80% of the population, and "white persons not Hispanic" at 67%.

http://quickfacts.census.gov/qfd/states/00000.html

>>726482
>implying Im not witnessing the drastic affects of mass immigration is having on my neighborhood

Good god, why did Mexicans have to have brown skin?
Why couldn't they be white?
If Mexicans were white, over 90% of this controversy over illegal immigration and bitching on the forums would cease to exist.

Since we seem to be revealing where we live, anybody live here?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Westlake,_Los_Angeles,_California

I live here. I'm surrounded by illegals. They're awesome. I'm white, btw.

>>726505
>>726505
Mr Liebowiz, how are you today?

>>726515
If there was no physical difference then there would be no controversy. Imagine if we were being flooded by Canadians. No one would notice.

>>726538
No one would be pushing for kicking them out, either.

>>726564

>>726515
>>726538
I've actually noticed something I find extremely hilarious. I live in Houston, and back in the 80s we had a ton of people immigrate from the northern states because we had a surplus of jobs. Everyone here welcomed it with open arms. The exact same thing is (or was, due to recession) happening now, except instead of northerners filling the surplus, it's mexicans, and everyone is up in arms about it.

Well to be fair, not everyone. I guess the city is pretty split as far as that goes, but there is still a lot of controversy over it. Controversy that didn't exist back in the 80s.

>>726577
That's actually understandable up to some point. Other countries do better.
Like, germany. In the 50's, we imported turks and everyone welcomed them. Now, turks - the very same people - immigrate and people complain.

>>726596
What's the difference? We're not experiencing any extra burden from them. They haven't increased our crime rates. They're filling an important labor hole and contributing to our city's economy. We still have a surplus of jobs, it's just not as big as it was before the national recession. And anyway, people were complaining about illegals before the recession when we had an even bigger surplus. For all intents and purposes, the only difference between them and the immigrants from the north is an arbitrary legal status.

Now if you want to talk about a drain on the city, take a look at what happened to us after hurricane Katrina and all the N.O. evacuees moved in. And they're American citizens.

>>726526

I'm out in Granada Hills in the valley. Hispanics are about 20% of the population. Don't know how many of them are illegal (well except for the drive-thru workers and those that chill in front of Home Depot), but I don't mind.

>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Granada_Hills,_Los_Angeles,_California

>>726656
how can you live in California ?

>>726656
Yeah there's a Home Depot by my house that has a bunch of them in the parking lot on the weekends. There's a McDonald's I go to in the parking lot, and I drive a truck, so whenever I go there they get all excited.

>>726674

It's not bad. The media just exaggerates it's problems.

http://www.businessweek.com/news/2010-04-01/california-debt-beats-greece-s-in-bond-sales-credit-mark
ets.html
>California's financial risks are exaggerated.

Even with the recession, California is the largest state economy in the US, and the 8th largest economy in the world.
With nearly a $2 trillion state GDP, it's debt-to-GDP ratio is extremely low. Especially when compared to the US debt-to-GDP ratio.

>>726783
yes but a huge portion of the gdp is government spending. which is deep in the red.

the economy is stagnant, people are losing jobs, and people are leaving the state. it's not pretty.

>>726811
>the economy is stagnant, people are losing jobs, and people are leaving

Same could be said for the entire country.

CAfag here. It's not as bad as it's made out to be, but it's still pretty fucking bad. It'll be kinda tough for a while, but once the country gets out of the recession, CA should be fine.

Californians aren't Americans.

>>726656
where are all the mexicans in california? i thought they were taking over the state.

>>726783
high GDP doesn't matter if in the end it's all getting paid to the same basket of billionaires while the poor guys producing that GDP are going broke and fleeing for greener pastures.

>>726821
texas.jpg

BAWWW MEXICANS ARE MAD BECAUSE IN AT LEAST ONE STATE THEY HAVE BO BE LAW-ABIDERS AND CAN'T JUST COME VIOLATE ANOTHER COUNTRY'S SOVEREIGNTY AND SHIT ON ANOTHER COUNTRY SO FREELY.

PROTIP: MEXICANS HATE ILLEGALS IN THEIR COUNTRY AND WILL JAIL THEM UP TO SEVERAL YEARS.


It's ok for Mexico to not put up with illegals but it's not ok for America top put up with it. Hypocrites.

>>726834

Cali has been struggling on the edge of economic collapse before the recession inthe rest of the country even started. Wuth most of the state being non-taxpaying illegals and their anchor babies, they're a burden on every conceivable system in the state.

>>726834
but its not going to be for a few years at least. we're in the eye of the storm that's fueled by insane government spending and probably the lowest interest rates in history.

we've basically reached the end of the line for keynesianism in america.

>>726868
butthurt lib detected.

Also, Texas has a great economy, much better than the US on average. 8.0 unemployment, compared to the rest of the country. We just took a few thousand jobs from CA for making Ford Avalanches. Texas is business friendly with not as many taxes and burdens, unlike CA.

>>726921
...what? i meant texas has a growing economy, while california slides deeper into the recession

>>726927
Oh, okay. it's true. thanks.

>>726927

Texas has a growing economy that I quite happily left because the jobs are shittier and lower paying than anywhere else in the USA (or most of the developed world, for that matter). Thank the Mexicans for that.

So the police in Arizona can stop any brown person and demand papers?

>>726948
texas is trolling.jpg ing blue states

sure wages are low, but so is the cost of living. blue states get fucked on federal tax brackets (not to mention they dont have jobs period). it'd be funny if i wasnt stuck in new england.

>>726948
uh... no. just moved to Austin from LA.

You're mistaken about the shittiest lowest paying jobs in the country.

>>726962

Texas has more people without health insurance than any other state. It's a 3rd world country. No thank you.

>>726962

>>726972
they also have some of, if not the, cheapest health care in the union. gee imagine that.

meanwhile massachusetts has the highest rate of insured but the most expensive health care...

>>726986
...thats exactly my point

fucking dipshit blue states drive up wages and get fucked on federal taxes. its their own damn fault.

>>726952
Technically they can stop "any" person but what it really means is, being brown is now probable cause for interrogation, and if you dont have your papers on you enjoy being taken by immigration.

>>726964

I left Houston 3 years ago. I'd pass on Texas, even if I were offered a decent job. You last about 2 years at a company and then you get laid off. Then you're trapped there because you don't have the money to relocate back to civilization. It's like one big pitcher plant that you can't escape from.

The border patrols should destroy all life and vegetation within ten miles of the mexican border, so that the mexicans can't hide from the baking sun or eat any animals they find.

>>726987

Texas allows companies to offer "medical insurance" without providing any real coverage for a low, low price. It is not, however, "health care".

>>726948
lolno. Houstonfag living in LA. Stop lying to these people. Money goes so much further in Texas than it does in CA, or anywhere else for that matter. The minimum wage is only 50 cents cheaper while housing is 50% cheaper.

>>726998
There was this thing called the recession. Everyone in the country got laid off. Houston and Texas as a whole fared better than any other state.

>>726998
Houston is shit. No wonder you left. That's like living in El Paso or San Angelo. It's just a shitty place to be. Try Austin or San Antonio.

>>727031

San Antonio is fucking awful and Austin is filled with homeless people and college students. But thanks for your advice.

>>727048
Houston is full of lazy black people left over from Katrina. San Antonio has a booming housing market and a good cost and standard of living on average.

>>727028

Houston can "fair better" and still be a shithole. We just had far lower to fall, having never recovered from Compaq closing its doors, then Haliburton moving to Dubai, after never having recovered from Enron.

>>727063
True. Texas is fairing better than a good majority of the US.

Arizona has a small city community south of Baseline (Phoenix) that is nearly all hispanic. That city created weird laws like "no cameras", no "patrolling", etcetera. It seemed obvious to me that they did not want illegal immigrants there to be caught. So, some sort of legal reform is needed, and Arizona is the right place to test the waters. California is too big and expensive to try that experiment, New Mexico won't, and Texas is beholden to the hispanic voters.

Hopefully Arizona will get this legislation passed, and then the law will survive a number of inevitable serious legal challenges.

I don't know how many 4channers realize, but a lot of other states often wait for one city or region or state to implement something that is legally a hot potato. That way, the chickenshit politicians get to keep their jobs. If the new law survives legal challenge, then the other cities or states will copycat it. So, that is why Arizona has so much acrimony right now since this is a new and edgy type of law. The city of Scottsdale in Arizona had a similar law against cruising for a long time, and the city survived challenges by the negroes (the major subset that got stopped by the police). Evidently, the law was made to stop daytime burglars from repeatedly casing an area to see if the house had all the occupants at work during the day. But it ended up getting the negroes profiled.... Well, I may have it wrong, but that was my understanding when I was down there on a business trip. Amusingly, I was there because the company was low bidder supplier to us (and they have a lot of hispanics). Unfortunately, they had low bid but could not do the job, so I was there to basically help them engineer the items. *sigh*

>>727203
it's already been passed, but it doesn't go into effect for 90 days. i'm going to lol when the illegals fucking exodus to california.

but yeah you're pretty much right on there. if the legislation in arizona succeeds, expect to see it pop up in more states.

>>727268

Illegals have been leaving AZ for CA, OK, TX, and Mexico since Arizona's economy tanked/another piece of anti-immigrant legislation was passed in 2007. AZ isn't really a destination for illegals anymore. There are some who remain due to having already put roots down and others who are using it as a stopover/passthrough because of its location on the border.

This legislation is simply pandering to the worst impulses of the electorate's collective psyche. Given AZ's current role in illegal immigration what the state really needs is more border enforcement. The bill is mostly going to effect legal residents.

>>725598
I can do one better.

Picture related, it's Arizona Governor Jan Brewer.

>>727340
that's why it was passed in the first place. the federal government wouldn't give them more resources to help on the border. so this is what happens.

>>727349
although it was done at a pretty bad time, considering we have a democratic congress. although i can bet you the democrats will come up with a 'solution' that is unpopular with most americans.

democrats suck at politics because they don't know which battles to fight. on issues like health care and immigration, they're not in step with the majority of americans.