AMERICA LOVE IT OR LEAVE IT

:)

They also hate niggers, so they're obviously not going to move to Africa.

>>723440

I wonder if liberals will still be saying this when Republicans take over again.

we had an america with basically no government and no taxes!

then you leftist douchebags came and fagged it all up

>Somalia is an anarchy
Troll thread.
Multiple competing governments is not anarchy.

It's funny because its true they don't have taxes or government there. It is a masterpiece of FREE MARKETISM.

>>723459
http://mises.org/daily/2066

Mises says they are mr.butthurt.

>>723459
They are not a government if they are multiple and competing. They are factions, clans, or groups-of-people-with-guns, as are wanton to be seen in anarchies.

>>723467
>2006

>>723459
Thats how anarchy works in real life.

>>723459

So they have competition isn't that what libertarians are always talking about?

>>723459
>Multiple competing governments is not anarchy.

In an anarchist society, EVENTUALLY, there will come a group of people who want to rule everyone else. It's human nature. Somalia is that step.

This is why Anarchy only looks good to teenagers, because they don't think ahead.

>>723459
at this point i just don't think liberal dipshits on 4chan have the capacity to grasp the concept of a small government, and somehow shoot straight to anarchy

places like south dakota are basically just a paper government and they get along just fine

But it's filled with niggers...

>>723457
The only reason they will win is because fox news populism and most of this country is filled with idiots.

>>723501
Hey retard you are obviously this stupid but you might want to read the post above yours. Anarchy doesn't work idiot. You live in a imaginary world where your society isn't even functional.

>>723500
somalia is an omniarchy, and "human nature" is an excuse. it doesn't exist. Any behavior is learned, and any behavior can be unlearned

Somalia isn't a Chomsky anarchy, but it is showing all the signs of what happens without a functioning government.

>>723453
Couldn't they just open some KFCs and rake in the cash?

>>723458
AND WE PUT HIM DOWN. SHAYS SUCKED

>>723523
yeah? tell that to Freetown Christiania, it's a working anarchism in denmark that has existed since 1971

Or Hong Kong.

Better yet, you could move.

>>723523
....this is exactly the blatant ignorance what i was talking about

you can have a small government without anarchy.

>>723523
oh rly? Do you know what polycentric law is? Basically it's the idea that different types of law compete and the best laws win out. The internet is a good example of an anarchism with polycentric laws, you have many forums with different rules, but no one is require to follow any of them the ones with the best rules (or in some cases, no rules) become more popular.

>>723492
>>723492
tell that to:

Anarchist Aragon (1936–1937)
Anarchist Catalonia (1936–1939)
Autonomous Shinmin region (1929–1932)
Tolstoyan Agricultural Communes (1921–1937)
Whiteway Colony (1898–present)

I'd emphasize that last one, it's existed for over a hundred years

>>723585
sometimes i feel the size of the federal government is just to cover up the fact that ultra-liberal states are an absolute mess. i really don't understand why people keep pushing something that doesn't fucking work.

>>723555
Hong Kong does have taxes and hates religion. They wouldn't last there. Plus there is only one political party and they are communist.

>>723544
That isn't a country you idiot.

>>723618

You failed this in another thread already. Try again.

>>723440
I remember the liberals complaining about people telling them that, and what the fuck do they do when they're in power.

OUR VERSION OF AMERICA-LOVE IT OR LEAVE IT

>>723561
This thread isn't about having a small government and even so there are still tons of weaknesses to having a small government. So you are showing your ignorance by setting up a strawman.

>>723610

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whiteway_Colony

Though it no longer has an explicitly anarchist character, today's residents are aware, and proud, of its origins.

>>723585
>uses internet as proof anarchy wins
Goddamn /new/ why are you letting 13 year olds post here?

>>723663
i don't care then i'm hijacking the thread

this basically what happens

the right says "we want small government" and then the left says "go to somalia, they have NO government"

but no government isn't small government. it's no government.

government is cool, we just should be working to make it as small and efficient as possible.

>>723691
Minarchism is pretty bad too. Having all the power tied up with a true-believing autocrat that can die, be overthrown, or go insane seems like a very bad idea that has been tried many times before.

>>723691

Yeah, but he's not interested in making a coherent argument.

He's just stroking his hard-on for Paul.

>>723696
But that isn't what they are trying to say. And Sowell I'm pretty sure is a conservative not a libertarian.

>>723704

You're confusing monarchism.

Can't you even get your story straight?

>>723696
That is a very misleading picture and discusses nothing about the political ideas of libertarians.

>>723675

Well the internet is the closet thing most people have to anarchy, and it's magnificent, perfect in every way.

LOVE GOVERNMENT AND TAXES?

MOVE TO USSR!

>>723696

Yeah, that seems about right.

>>723704
...what? do you see any autocrats in places like south dakota?

they have a normal government with legislative body etc, it just barely does anything.

>>723721

Which are?

>>723732
>>723696
Samefag who can't argue for shit. Everyone complains about government waste without getting into the details. I'd like to see real arguments not superficial campaign phrases.

>>723712
Sowell is practically fucking Mr. Libertarian...

>>723740
Completely open immigration and if you are Murry you have the right to kill your own children. Private police and roads a lot of bullshit that works better socialized. Basically big business rules all or the people with the money. You also have the inequalities of wealth problem.

>>723745
too young to remember the $500 hammers?

>>723746
http://johnseilerblogs.com/?p=268
He seem to be in favor of the Iraq war that isn't libertarian.

>>723762
...but that would be anarchy, not small government

The UN just won't let a nigga be.

>>723745

And now you're just straight out lying.

Sorry we're not all special and tripfag like you.

>>723712

INTERVIEWER: I know you're sometimes referred to as a conservative. Do you think of yourself that way?

SOWELL: I don't.

INTERVIEWER: What would your preferred label be?

SOWELL: I prefer not to have labels, but I suspect that "libertarian" would suit me better than many others..

>>723746
Glenn Greenwald has owned that hack several times.
http://glenngreenwald.blogspot.com/2006/09/thomas-sowells-comprehensive-guide-to.html

>>723786
Whatever people just throw around names these days anyway. I still disagree with him.

congress is awesome.

36 million for "generic increase for industrial preparedness"

>>723762

Gee, the right to kill your own children seems more of a Democrat idea with abortion, but for the rest of it...

I support public roads, think that the right to control boarders is one of the hallmarks of a state, believe in a private police force called security guards (got me), and believe of actually supremely reeling in corporatism.

And all of my beliefs are consistent with libertarian ideas.

Could you try again, with more thought this time?

>>723828
>assertions, no arguments

>>723786
I prefer not to have labels, but I suspect that "assjockey" would suit me better than many others..

gotta love congress

5 million to Sears-Roebuck from federal antipoverty funds

ITT: libertarians try to reason with tripfag troll

>>723828

Have you proved a single point yet?

>>723846
How dare you use the likeness of David Letterman for you foul libertarian nonsense!

1 million to study brown tree snakes, which only exist in guam and are harmless

>>723855

Yeah, you're right.

Bed. Night all.

>>723846
What assertion needs to be made when I said if he is considered a 'libertarian'. My only point was that him being for the Iraq war is not a libertarian position moron. So stop showing your own ignorance by misrepresenting my points. It's like libertarians want neocons who call themselves libertarians to be apart of their movement.

>>723855
Libertarian detected. Why you guys mad because he owned you guys on Somaila?

>>723855
So do you enjoy samefaggin because you have no arguments? I'm not a troll.

bureau of indian affairs' inventory list included $297 million for 3 chainsaws, a $96 million television set, a $77 million typewriter, and a $42 million typewriter

>>723876
so you're saying if a person has a differing opinion of a multiplatform political group they can't be a part of it?

>>723895

Somalia is an example of how economic freedom works better than statism.. facilitates development and improvement. However, freedom is not insta-magic and you need to consider STARTING POSITIONS:

1. Ancient Somalia was a thriving center of trade, art, language, and development.

2. Medieval Somalia went through both Islamic and Christian waves of religious empire expansion and war.

3. Early modern Somalia went through waves of European and Arabic imperialism and colonization, coming under Italian rule in 1941, British rule in 1943, and became an independent nation-state in 1960

4. Somalia became a social democracy in 1969 and over time it became the poorest country on Earth under that government. The government collapsed in 1991 and Somalia was then stateless.

5. After Somalia's government collapsed, Somalia's economy began to drastically improve - things were getting much better with no government***

6. Foreign governments have since re-imposed governments on Somalia.

***Economic data on stateless Somalia: http://www.cfr.org/publication/10120/better_off_stateless.html

Infant mortality went from 152/1000 under the socialist state to 114/1000 under statelessness. The absolute poverty rate went from 60% to 43%. The population with access to sanitation went from 18% to 26%. Life expectancy increased. Starvation rates decreased. Immunization rates of children increased. Maternal mortality decreased. Healthcare availability increased. The percentage of people with radios, telephones, and TVs increased dramatically. Millions of Somali refugees returned to Somalia.

International trade increased. The services and telecommunications sectors increased. Airfares became cheaper and airports more reliable and new airlines formed. All of these improvements are greater than those experienced by Somalia’s statist neighbors.

>>723907
TWO typewriters? No one has four hands with which to type on these!

>>723923
I'm curious what a 99 million dollar chainsaw looks like

>>723876

It's hard to troll when everyone has web access:

http://vcnv.org/house-of-representative-voting-records

Paul never voted once for the Iraq War Resolution.

11 million by the pentagon on psychics

5 million by congress to build a new parliament building for the solomons

yknow those british commonwealth islands?

>>723918
Is that why I said sure I guess he could be, but I don't think most libertarians would want him apart of their party. If you consider this a real argument when you basically strawman my thread that was about Somalia.

>>723934
Lol what the fuck are you even talking about Ron Paul? We aren't even talking about Ron Paul.

12 million to modernize the -closing- power plant for the philadelphia naval yard, and 5 million to refurbish the buildings at a closing air base in michigan

>>723963
I know this might be hard for you to understand. the key tenants of libertarianism are more skeletal government, and low government interference with the people of the country. To put it simply, the government is so small and powerless it can have little effect on the daily life of the populous. Federal Gov's only role is infrastructure and defense. If you see the iraq war as a defensive thing, which many people did and possibly still do, it fits in with things. Also, not all libertarians are against war, that is mainly a Ron Paul thing, and if you remember he's got a big fat R next to his name.

34 million to research screwworms, which have long since been eliminated from the united states

>>723922
lol. op sucks.

/thread

>>723986
You are trolling me now. Civil libertarians usually vote democrat. Let me in on a little hint I said over hundred times now he could be a libertarian but that doesn't make his policies right. I suggest you stop making strawmans and misrepresenting what I'm saying.

>>724012
Did you even read what they posted? It barely mentioned anything you said, seemed like they were merely trying to be informative.

10 million for a ramp to the milkwaukee brewers stadium parking lot

sigh, another libtard that doesn't understand the tea party movement. He dipshits, it's not about taxes, it's about spending. If we don't get spending under control then our currency will collapse and the US will be just like Somalia (yes, that is hyperbole. No, I don't think you understand it. I'll wait while you go google it)

35 million for 'wood utilization research'

the 12 billion superconducting super collider. don't even feel like explaining it just google it.

>>724027
>idiot
>I know this might be hard for you to understand
>I'm right you are wrong
Did you read what they said? It isn't informative when I said that they were right about Sowell but they are ignoring that this thread isn't about one economist. It was about anarchist and people who want no taxes.

>>724038
>implying this thread was ever about the tea party
I'm pretty sure most of them are happy with government as long as their guy is in charge.

13 billion from congress on general potato research

Shouldn't you be in Canada after 2004?

>>724110
I'm not a democrat nor do I move out just because my guy losses. Has Rush Limbaugh left yet and he even promised that he would leave?

>>724119
didn't actually promise to leave. was taken out of context. ircc by the huffington post.

>>723691
Just can't touch the military budget right, that'd be bad. We need to be spending 600 billion a year cause of terrorists and shit.

>>724038
Who the fuck is fulling your tiny little brain and people like yourslef with that utter bullshit?

Politics of fear much?

>Liberal Paradise = Canada
>Conservative Paradise = Somalia
Yeah, how's that working out for you?

I can't believe people take advantage of the fact that we as Americans still got it pretty good. I seriously doubt no government could bring us such prosperity.

>>724167
Obvious troll is obvious.

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sage for the phantom bumper

Can you please stop with the strawmen, lies, and diversion leftists?

Minarchy =/= Anarchy

>>724948

YOU MAD FAGGOT?

>>724976
>doesnt understand why he's wrong

>>725000
not at all, just tired of this forced meme and shitty zombie threads.

>>724976
Minarchy doesn't work either you still have the same problems occurring due to lack of regulation businesses would rape us further into the ground. Just look at Goldman Sachs.

>>725018
>Ignores that goldman sachs couldn't have gotten to where they are without government.

generic reaction image
>my face when i have to keep repeating this even though it's common knowledge.

>>723704
Minarchy. Not Monarchy dipshit.

>>725018
And you're saying the free market bailed them out? Can you name any concrete "business" that "raped" us in the 19th century when markets were actually free, in contrast to today? The real problem is the concentration of power. Like it or not, there has never been any natural arising monopoly in the history of america. All monopolies, and cartels, that existed in the past only sustained themselves through government acts of favoritism, wether that be through subsidies, or regulations stamping out competitors. Free markets does work. The history is there. If you want an example of something that doesn't work, look at the Soviet Union. I'd like to post a proposition to the op:

If you don't like freedom, why don't you move to North Korea? Why not? I'm sure all the people are "safe" there. I bet they're all protected from those mean evil robber barons by their benevolent, altruistic, incorruptible state.

>>723432

They can't afford the plane ticket and they aren't allowed to bring their Hoverounds as a carry-on IT'S A GODDAMN CONSPIRACY I TELL YOU

>>725100
It wasn't about bailouts they literally fucked over us by lobbying and bribing people. That is going to happen a lot more in your society when we put profits first over people.

>>725122
and the bailouts couldn't have happened without your friendly neighborhood government re-defining it's rights and responsibilities.

>>725100
Also seriously disabled kids and special needs people or the elderly? All are pretty fucked up in your society. I said it once and I'll say it again right libertarians have an empathy deficit.

>>725122
THANKS FOR GETTING BRIBED, GOVERNMENT

>>725100

Robber Barons aren't necessarily evil, but they most certainly are douchebags and they most certainly do not and will not ever give two shits about you, no matter how much you suck up to them. Putting power in the hands of an entity whose purpose is to profit is foolhardy at best and suicide at worst. Even Henry Ford who was pretty much the only "good" guy from that era still sent the Pinkertons at strikers and would try and micromanage every aspect of the workers life to improve efficiency.

I'd much rather be able to vote a faggot like that out of office every 4 years than wait for him to die on a CEO board.

>>725134
The car bailouts not only kept the companies running they are now paying back their bills and showing profits. So what did you do by bailing them out? You saved the middle class workers who would have gotten laid off. Even a Reagan adviser attacked the lasseiz faire types. As far as the bank bailout goes Bush handled that poorly.

>>725146
which is why we need to separate government from corporations. I'm sure several hundred years ago people said the same thing about the pope.

>>725152
LETS GIVE MONEY TO MEXICAN AND CANADIAN AND KOREAN AUTO WORKERS TO BUILD SHITTY CARS

GREAT FUCKING PLAN

>>725152
Ford is operating in the black, they never weren't. GM is not operating in the black, the money they "paid" back is accounting magic.

http://www.monstersandcritics.com/news/business/news/article_1546456.php/GM-lost-4-3-billion-dollars
-since-leaving-bankruptcy-in-July

>>725164
Ford never took any bailout money.

>>725134

>The government bought something

How is that redefining their rights and responsibilities? You're a couple hundred years late to gripe on that one. The government buys lots of things:

Corn
Guns
Hammers
Toilet Seats
Alaska

I don't see what the big deal is on this one.

>>725171
I'm aware of that. That's why I mentioned them. They've remained profitable. GM hasn't. This is what happens when the government endows itself with the authority to subsidize failure.

>>725164
Republitard status

[x] Told

>>725171
exactly.

>>725186
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g_DaMKUP3Og

>>725187
*facepalm*

>>725187
but republicans are bigger supporters of ford than they are of gm or chrysler...

>>725181
>implying that whole corporations are the same as $800 toilet seats.

It's almost like you think that governments should be playing pokemans with billion dollar balance sheets.

>>725100
What a ridiculous proposition.

The entire scenario is rigged as according to the requirements put forth it is impossible to provide an example of an abusive business that didn't take advantage of government intervention because there has always been government intervention.

>>725201

>implying that whole corporations aren't like entire states or huge swaths of land

I think it's hilarious that you think this is the first time the government has subsidized failure.

>>725164
How is that article relevant to them paying back the money to the government? Nothing in that article talks about them paying back money to the government. Just that they are losing money. Jesus Christ /new/ gets dumber by the day.

>>723432
THIS x100000

>>725186
Its not a subsidy problem idiot GM was a failure of a company before it got subsidies. The point is you don't understand what occurs when you don't prop up businesses and let them go bankrupt you occur soaring unemployment. That is a bad thing.

>>725181
well subsidies are always a bad thing. the reason it's a 'big deal' is because of the absolute magnitude of the situation

>>723459
>>implying absolute anarchy could take place in the real world

>>725208
>first time

No, I think our government has a long laudable history of subsidizing failure. I think it's interesting that the government always seems to find (generate?) an even bigger failure just to keep on upping the ante. This is quite literally one of the cancers killing capitalism.

>>725212
but gm is still losing money...

and like i said in an earlier post, gm barely even builds its cars in america anymore.

>>725212
>The point is you don't understand what occurs when you don't prop up businesses and let them go bankrupt you occur soaring unemployment.
20% seems pretty high already.

Do you believe none of the jobs lost in the bankruptcy of government-subsidized businesses could be replaced by other businesses?

>>725223
pproximately 10% of US employees are employed in the auto industry or by its suppliers/dealers. Of this, the Big three and their suppliers employ more than 2.5 million people, amounting to nearly 2 percent of the nation’s work force. So by letting them going under or having to undertake massive cost cutting layoffs could result in a sharp spike in US unemployment and further depress consumer spending. It will virtually wipe out the Detroit economy. Supporters of the bailout say it is critical in stemming massive unemployment and downward spiraling of the US economy.

That is a possible option if we took your option and didn't bail them out.

>>725209
They're paying back our money (graciously loaned on our behalf by our beneficent overlords) with our money. This is all ignoring the debt that was excused by our "well meaning" representation. So basically, when they re-go public again and we give up our ~61% ownership of GM (that we'll never see dividends on) they better make up that ~9 billion or there will have to be some more accounting magic.

>>725231
Let's assume for a moment that competition helps drive innovation. Would you say you are stifling innovation by removing competition?

>>725219

Don't you understand that without that safety net present, there wouldn't be progress like there is now? That shit is the lifeblood of the US, as much so as finance.

>>725250
Sure, if we didn't pay people to fail nobody would succeed. Sound logic, 10/10.

>>725231
but that's the thing. most american auto workers work for manufacturers like honda and toyota at this point. as for the big three, ford above and by far has the highest index of cars build in america, and the highest index of american parts.

we bailed out gm to prop up the people building
<---- this car in korea, designed by koreans, with less than 2% of the parts in it manufactured in america.

>>725253

I suppose I've gone into the realm of grant money, stuff that the government gives to people to go out and try their crazy ideas. At any rate, the bank bailout was retarded, but the GM bailout saved something like 500,000 jobs, and did it in one of the most job-deprived areas of the country. Can you imagine the chaos that would've ensued in Detroit if GM went bankrupt?

>>725276
but gm is still losing money...unless we keep bailing them out they're going to go bankrupt again

>>725276
You mean venture capital?

>>725286

Well, businesses would call it venture capital but when a government gives it and tells you "don't make any money with this money" it's called a grant.

>>725284

GM is losing money *right now.* Meaning it most definitely can be a temporary condition.

/o/ here.
Want a car?
Can't afford a supercar?
Buy a Honda Jazz.
Anything else is throwing money way.

>>725315
ymean the fit? are you fucking serious?

>>725245
What I said had nothing to do with competition or innovation. Are you a walking fallacy?

>>725320
It was made for years in Europe as the Jazz.
It's superior than anything made in the US for commuting.

Which is all you fucks need.

I DIDNT SAY SPORTS DORIFU or DRAGSTER BRAH car.

>>725339
...so you WANT GM to keep making shit cars?

>>725349
I'm a huge Hondafag and I'd take the Corolla over the Fit any day. shit I'd take a Town Car, it's like driving a couch.

anyway, glad to see someone on /o/ that isn't fucking obsessed with 1/4 mile or Ring laptimes. got fucking sick of that board.

>>725349

They're making plug-ins in California with a 40 mile range. How's the Jazz/Fit match up to that?

>>725349
oh wait, made in the US?

yeah pretty much. if we got the European version of the Focus that would be nice though.

>>725368
get out.

>>725384

What? I don't know about you but I maybe drive 50 miles each day. A 80% reduction in my gas costs would be pretty welcome.

Top Gear and Jalopnik pretty much rate the
Jazz > Anything GM makes.
So GM fags say..ZR1 > Honda Jazz.
The only thing from GM better is a $100,000 vette.

And GM is still going bankrupt 2x.

>>725384
We ARE going to get the European version of the Focus. Or rather, everyone is going to get the same Focus, because the next-gen Focus is going to be a 'world car' that's virtually the same everywhere.

Americans cannot into Super GT

>>725406
because that's literally the only good car GM makes anymore.

>>725413
fucking finally. the North American Focus is such a fucking pile of garbage.

>>725392
the fit doesn't get great mpg. you want to see huge savings in gas, go get an old Civic VX or DX from the 90's or something

>>725350
No I want them to pay all the money back they owe taxpayers. My point is though when you have big companies and they fall you bring the entire economy over. Hence too big to fail. I'm not sure what the best way to handle this I believe if this is the case they are too big to exist and need to be broken up.

>>725435

Alright, I'll look into it. Thanks!

>>725455
...but it's not too big to fail. even if 500,000 people were somehow suddenly unemployed that's not even a .5 change in unemployment.

GM -is- going to eventually collapse, why are we giving them free money?

>>725435
Check it out, it's pretty sweet.

http://www.fordvehicles.com/cars/focus/2012/

>>725460
another great car for massive mpg would be the CRX HF but they only have two seats I believe

>>725469

The location of that job loss matters, though. Making Detroit even more unstable doesn't strike me as a very good idea.

>>725469
Sadly there is a domino effect. Other companies are affected and I just got done explaining in another post you are depressing consumer spending.

>>725478

Yeah, a two-seater won't work for a number of reasons, mostly involving family.

>>725478
but those jobs aren't concentrated in the Detroit area...

>>725479
you don't think many of those employees wouldn't go to companies like Honda or Ford?

anyway we can't keep up the consumer spending bubble forever

>>725339
Are you saying that propping up failed companies isn't anticompetitive?
How is a new business supposed to compete with a business that had an unlimited government backstop?

>>725505
this. I want to see a new American car company. GM sucks fucking balls.

>>725478
haven't you heard? they're bulldozing Detroit and turning into farmland

>>725498
That won't keep us from trying.

>>725478
It would basically destroy their economy. I would look for better alternatives, but I'm not really seeing them. It's either you save them or you let them fall and that is political suicide either way.

>>725525
.25% is fucking ridiculous

>>725547
>Detroit
>economy

no shit it's political suicide. this is what happens when you have a country run by spineless politicians that just stave it off every time. but fucking finally we've pretty much hit the end of the line.

>>725547
also Weiner I think you could benefit from this video.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jkVyqxrhaJA

watch all the way through

>>725594
bump for bob for speakin da truth

goin to go play some xbl. peace.

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>>725619
He brought up a couple of good points and had an inspired speech but it sounded like he just read off some other guy's lines. He talks about need for regulators not doing their jobs to we need more capitalism. We don't need more capitalism what we need is more competition and less cronyism and lobbying.

>>725695
When people say "more capitalism" they mean exactly what you say we need.

>>725695
that's what capitalism is...lobbying n shit comes from big government

anyway i guess you're not familiar with bob, he's always like that

>>725718
more competition and less cronyism and lobbying?
They need to become better speakers than

>>725741
No. Lobbying GOES to big government

Fuck yea

>>725778

Endless war.

That's what Americans get for their taxes.

>200 posts soon.
>Sign of conservative butthurt.

>>723968

Well, considering you've devoted no less than 5 threads to Ron Paul and haven't a cognizant or truthful remark in any of them, I figured I get this out of the way now before you started saying he was actually an architect of the Iraq War.