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  • File : 1272017316.jpg-(114 KB, 600x661, american_commute_sm.jpg)
    114 KB Anonymous 04/23/10(Fri)06:08 No.709090  
    You people make me sick.
    >> Anonymous 04/23/10(Fri)06:10 No.709099
    >Environmentalist scum.
    >> Anonymous 04/23/10(Fri)06:10 No.709102
    we can afford to drive. cry more.
    >> Anonymous 04/23/10(Fri)06:12 No.709108
    If you care so much about CO2 emissions stop breathing.
    >> Anonymous 04/23/10(Fri)06:13 No.709110
    Point me someone else who goes my hour commute at the same time I do and I'd go.
    >> deleted !RMbnClAiRE 04/23/10(Fri)06:14 No.709114
    My employer pays me an annual wage regardless of how many hours I work each week. I get $6k extra for living nearby, so I a bicycle is fine.
    >> Anonymous 04/23/10(Fri)06:18 No.709136
    Well the vast majority of our country has no public transit, and most of us have to commute to work via freeways, on which it is illegal to walk or bike, and too far besides.

    So friend, you tell me how else we are supposed to get to work?
    >> Anonymous 04/23/10(Fri)06:21 No.709156
    I would say the US needs a public transportation system but then people would begin crying about taxes and how TAXATION IS THEFT so I'll just shut up.
    >> Anonymous 04/23/10(Fri)06:23 No.709163
    >>709156
    we're a big country. public transportation doesn't really work.

    even if it did, nobody would use it. it's cheaper to drive for the most part. most people that use buses and trains just cant afford to buy a car at the moment, or do it to avoid traffic in places like connecticut.
    >> Anonymous 04/23/10(Fri)06:23 No.709168
    >>709136

    And before you go "lol why don't you live next to work in the city?", I'll tell you why. Either the part of the city where your work is located is prohibitively expensive to live in, or is a ghetto full of niggers.
    >> Anonymous 04/23/10(Fri)08:18 No.709625
    >>709136

    Let me also add that most of the decisions regarding how our country is organized transportation-wise were made in the 1950's and 1960's with a great deal of influence from companies like General Motors, Firestone, the leftovers at the time of Standard Oil, Portland Cement, and so on. It will take ages more to overcome what was done back then and even longer to get Americans to use mass transportation because they just don't like sitting next to niggers.
    >> Anonymous 04/23/10(Fri)08:20 No.709630
    I drive, but I live about 400 meters from where I work. I walk on nice days.
    >> Anonymous 04/23/10(Fri)08:21 No.709640
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    >>709630 meters
    >> Anonymous 04/23/10(Fri)08:22 No.709646
    >>70964
    fine, I live about 1200 feet from where I work.
    >> Anonymous 04/23/10(Fri)08:24 No.709661
    Every time I've ridden public transportation I've had to deal with other peoples children being fucking retarded, people literally out of their mind jabbering on about God only knows what, or drunk people pissing on themselves.

    That being said, I'm a car enthusiast and I take the train in to the city as often as possible because the roads are worse.
    >> Anonymous 04/23/10(Fri)08:30 No.709682
    >>709090
    Poor detected

    enjoy your nigger-infested bus ride
    >> Anonymous 04/23/10(Fri)08:30 No.709683
    >>709661
    this. even if public transportation is cheaper or faster (it never is) it just sucks.
    >> Anonymous 04/23/10(Fri)08:30 No.709684
    >>709090
    y u mad?
    >> Bill Murray !0Qo0b8vSmA 04/23/10(Fri)08:32 No.709691
    >>709661

    protip: MP3 player, WAY THE FUCK UP LOUD
    >> Anonymous 04/23/10(Fri)08:32 No.709694
    >>709684

    OP is either a jealousfag that can't afford a car or lives in some socialist country where gasoline costs over 9000 dollars a gallon.
    >> Anonymous 04/23/10(Fri)08:33 No.709699
    >>709661
    MP3 PLAYERS, FUCKING FAGGOT. LEARN HOW TO USE THEM.
    >> Anonymous 04/23/10(Fri)08:36 No.709712
    >>709699
    >>709691

    And what does that do about people's monkey children? (that wasn't a racial thing either) or the people who don't care what the conductors say and play a boom box for everyone's benefit?
    >> Anonymous 04/23/10(Fri)08:42 No.709734
    >>709661
    >people being loud and annoying.

    This is why I love mp3 players.
    >> Anonymous 04/23/10(Fri)08:45 No.709740
    >>709712
    Because it allows you to ignore said monkey children.
    >> Anonymous 04/23/10(Fri)08:52 No.709770
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    >>709694 gasoline costs over 9000 dollars a gallon
    Gasoline is a global commodity traded on the open market. As such, the cost of a gallon of gasoline is nearly constant the world over. The price difference you pay at the pump is solely from local taxes.
    >> Anonymous 04/23/10(Fri)08:55 No.709784
    Believe this or not as you all wish, but here are the last three experiences I had on the bus in an area that is almost exclusively middle to upper-middle class and all while riding in the middle of the day.

    3 times ago...old black wino riding up front falls over and pukes so much that it ran up the whole aisle and ruined my shoes (as well as those of other passengers).

    2 times ago...two fine young males of African descent decided to settle a dispute over somebody's "ho" with their fists.

    Last time...two black females suddenly jump off the bus...suddenly, I smell smoke...they pulled down some ad placards and set them on fire.

    If the environment gets fucked up because of so many people that drive alone...well, as the saying always goes now in /new/, we all know who's fault it is, right?
    >> Anonymous 04/23/10(Fri)08:56 No.709788
    >>709770
    man up and quit taxing the fuck out of, or quit bitching
    >> Anonymous 04/23/10(Fri)08:56 No.709789
    >>709770

    And you don't get the point that socialism = higher gasoline taxes?
    >> Anonymous 04/23/10(Fri)08:59 No.709800
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    That'll change.

    And it's cute/ironic how (g)libertarians decry any move to a decent rail system in America as government tyranny. Who do you think funds the roads? I guess government infrastructure is OK if it contributes to a hyperindividualist suburban sprawl consumer society.
    >> Anonymous 04/23/10(Fri)09:01 No.709810
    >>709800
    has nothing to do with tyranny, rail just sucks.

    it's expensive, it can't go many places, and it's just a big bus.

    driving is just better in every way unless you've got a serious traffic problem in your area
    >> Anonymous 04/23/10(Fri)09:05 No.709829
    >>709810

    Motoring won't be better when we can't afford it.

    And rail's not expensive; it's very efficient.
    >> Anonymous 04/23/10(Fri)09:11 No.709853
    >>709829
    if i swap in my staggered carb, it's cheaper for me to drive than it is to take the train. I can get 20 on the highway. it's about 25% more efficient than taking amtrak (which is fuckin government subsidized).

    now if I have a friend come with me, I can cut that price in half. can't carpool train tickets. and shit I can still fit some more friends in the back. not to mention I can actually get around once I get to my destination.

    as for getting to work everyday, and getting around, its just not practical. america is a big country.
    >> Anonymous 04/23/10(Fri)09:19 No.709883
    >>709853

    You're gonna need to swap in a staggering mule a few decades from now.
    >> Anonymous 04/23/10(Fri)09:21 No.709889
    A .4% bikefag here, you're welcome!
    >> Anonymous 04/23/10(Fri)09:22 No.709896
    >>709883
    you kidding? we've got a few trillion barrels under the rocky mountains.

    anyway if shit gets bad again, i could go get another civic. my old one got about 70 on the highway if i babied it.
    >> Anonymous 04/23/10(Fri)09:24 No.709900
    >>709853
    >government subsidized

    Nice how you forgot that the petrol is government subsidized too.
    >> Anonymous 04/23/10(Fri)09:26 No.709907
    >>709900
    not here in the us it isn't....
    >> Anonymous 04/23/10(Fri)09:26 No.709909
    >>709896

    >we've got a few trillion barrels under the rocky mountains.

    If not, a few gazillion.
    >> Anonymous 04/23/10(Fri)09:30 No.709928
    I wanted to walk to work but my parents are fearfags and pressured me into getting a car
    >> Anonymous 04/23/10(Fri)09:32 No.709939
    >>709907
    http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE6103RM20100201

    >Obama budget seeks to end oil, gas subsidies

    >(Reuters) - The Obama administration on Monday asked Congress for a second time to end some $36.5 billion in subsidies for oil and gas companies, saying it would help fight global warming.

    >$36.5 billion
    >$36.5 billion
    >$36.5 billion
    And this is not counting the money US government gives them because they report losses in the US and huge profits elsewhere so they pay no taxes either.
    >> Anonymous 04/23/10(Fri)09:34 No.709946
    >>709939
    ?

    exxonmobile alone pays about 30 billion in taxes
    >> Anonymous 04/23/10(Fri)09:39 No.709966
    lol i think europe is jealous or something
    >> Anonymous 04/23/10(Fri)09:39 No.709967
    >>709946

    Try 0 billion:

    http://blogs.alternet.org/speakeasy/2010/04/06/outrageous-exxon-mobil-paid-no-income-tax-in-2009/
    >> Anonymous 04/23/10(Fri)09:40 No.709971
    >>709946
    With 200+ billion in revenue....

    Of course, all liberals approve of playing stupid games like "tax breaks" and retarded regulation.
    They are just complaining when it doesn't go to THEIR pet projects like wasteful "green" energy.
    >> Anonymous 04/23/10(Fri)09:44 No.709982
    >>709939
    haha

    one of two things will happen

    1. gas prices dont budge
    2. obama loses in the single biggest landslide in us history
    >> Anonymous 04/23/10(Fri)09:47 No.709989
    >>709946

    weren't they the ones that pulled some backassward way of not paying taxes in the u.s.? and it was totally legal?
    >> Anonymous 04/23/10(Fri)09:48 No.709996
    >>709946

    exxon screwed the US big time, in more ways than one
    >> Anonymous 04/23/10(Fri)09:49 No.710002
    >>709971

    ...says the dumbass of the thread.
    >> Anonymous 04/23/10(Fri)09:49 No.710003
    Public transportation is for poor people.

    /thread
    >> Anonymous 04/23/10(Fri)09:50 No.710007
    I read
    >Motorcycle
    >Bicycle
    >Other Men
    >> Anonymous 04/23/10(Fri)09:51 No.710012
    This...isn't a question on the census.
    >> Anonymous 04/23/10(Fri)09:56 No.710030
    >>709939
    ending oil and gas subsidies would be fucking AMAZING; that's a huge reason why I voted for Obama, I hope he does it.

    It's practically a miracle cure - saves money from going to a superrich corporation and will likely reduce GHGs at the same time. Beautiful.
    >> Anonymous 04/23/10(Fri)09:56 No.710033
    Britfag here, enjoy your $2.80/gal ($0.74/litre), that converts to about £1.80/gal (£0.48/litre) with todays exchange rate.
    I filled up my car today at £1.15/litre (£4.48/gal)
    imad :(
    >> Anonymous 04/23/10(Fri)09:58 No.710041
    >>710030
    you think america gives a shit?

    you think america is going to re-elect a president that gave them $4+ gallon gasoline back on purpose?

    might last for a few years, but he'd be out and the that'd be the one of the first things the next guy would put in
    >> Anonymous 04/23/10(Fri)10:00 No.710050
    >>710033
    that freakin sucks man D:

    at least you admit it sucks

    come over here, insurance is a fraction of the price, too
    >> Anonymous 04/23/10(Fri)10:02 No.710058
    >>710030

    You forget that public transportation is non existent in most cities here. You can't just raise gas prices to astronomical prices without giving people a cheaper alternative. If people have no other way to get to work, they're going to drive regardless of cost.
    >> Anonymous 04/23/10(Fri)10:04 No.710073
    >>710058

    >If people have no other way to avoid sitting next to a nigger, they're going to drive regardless of cost.

    fxd
    >> Anonymous 04/23/10(Fri)10:06 No.710081
    >>710073
    lol we don't even have buses in my area
    >> Anonymous 04/23/10(Fri)10:07 No.710082
    >>710058
    remember when gas prices spiked to 4$ a couple years ago? People drove significantly less (which then drove the price of gas back down). This also had the effect of reducing GHG emissions from reduced driving.

    classic supply and demand, right there. Plus we aren't just handing our money to corporations. If any of you libertards/conservifags were true free marketeers you wouldn't be such fucking pussies about it when it comes to gas prices.
    >> Anonymous 04/23/10(Fri)10:07 No.710085
    >>710058
    And americans talk about being entrepreneurs.
    >> Anonymous 04/23/10(Fri)10:08 No.710086
    I live in LA, a city with notoriously bad public transportation, and I still take the bus/train to most places without getting there late and other things.
    >> Anonymous 04/23/10(Fri)10:10 No.710092
    >>710082
    again, people like driving

    if it REALLY were to spike up gas prices $1.50, he wouldn't be re-elected, and his successor would reinstate the subsidies

    i mean shit dude, the top 1% of americans pay about 35% of the taxes. just taking money from big companies to give to big companies.
    >> Anonymous 04/23/10(Fri)10:11 No.710095
    >>710082
    Actually when the gas prices went up, it was because of oil prices, and oil is used for many more things than just gasoline. Even worse, the increase in oil prices didn't make people use less gasoline, but lowered production of petroleum products.
    >> Anonymous 04/23/10(Fri)10:12 No.710103
    >>710050
    Moving to America is difficult
    Adopt me?
    >> Anonymous 04/23/10(Fri)10:13 No.710108
    >>710095
    it was all speculation anyway

    it had absolutely nothing with people driving more or less.
    >> Anonymous 04/23/10(Fri)10:13 No.710112
    >>709967
    lol income tax is apparently the only tax that exists now.
    >> Anonymous 04/23/10(Fri)10:14 No.710115
    >>710103
    maybe when we climb out of the recession and i can start a business. its easy as fuck to get someone in on a green card if you're a business owner.

    anyway if they do this and gas prices spike it's going to send us way deeper into the recession. that would just be fucking awesome.
    >> Anonymous 04/23/10(Fri)10:23 No.710169
    >>710108
    http://www.cnn.com/2008/US/05/26/gas.driving/index.html

    >(CNN) -- At a time when gas prices are at an all-time high, Americans have curtailed their driving at a historic rate.
    >The Department of Transportation said figures from March show the steepest decrease in driving ever recorded.
    >Compared with March a year earlier, Americans drove an estimated 4.3 percent less -- that's 11 billion fewer miles, the DOT's Federal Highway Administration said Monday, calling it "the sharpest yearly drop for any month in FHWA history." Records have been kept since 1942.

    facts > you

    suck it
    >> Anonymous 04/23/10(Fri)10:26 No.710186
    >>710169
    driving 4.3% less doesn't cause a 250% drop in prices you moron.
    >> Anonymous 04/23/10(Fri)10:33 No.710226
    Why is bicycling so underused in the USA? Here in Europe we use them a lot.
    >> Anonymous 04/23/10(Fri)10:34 No.710228
    >>710226
    how many fucking times do we have to say this

    IT'S A BIG FUCKING COUNTRY

    some people drive an hour to work every day
    >> Anonymous 04/23/10(Fri)10:41 No.710253
    >>710226
    Because americans are lazy fucks, if motorized wheelchairs were cheaper everyone would use them all the fucking time.
    >> Anonymous 04/23/10(Fri)10:42 No.710258
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    >> Anonymous 04/23/10(Fri)10:44 No.710274
    >>710186
    obviously you can't separate out just driving from all oil/gas demand

    but you're fucking stupid anyways
    >> Anonymous 04/23/10(Fri)10:52 No.710331
    Most of their cities are designed such that you need a car. Their public transport systems are fucked. I don't think it's a matter of individuals making poor choices.
    >> Anonymous 04/23/10(Fri)11:46 No.710563
    I live in a rural area and drive an average of 20 miles to work. Why I don't move closer to work is I don't like living in an urban environment. So cry me a river.
    >> Anonymous 04/23/10(Fri)11:47 No.710568
    endlessly critique freedom.

    move to Cuba if you hate the fact we drive to work in cars, damn commi bastards.
    >> Anonymous 04/23/10(Fri)11:53 No.710594
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    How many conservative faggots rely on GOVERNMENT RUN public transportation? Can't these faggots rely on themselves?
    >> Anonymous 04/23/10(Fri)11:54 No.710598
    >>710594
    I'd say about 2%. most conservatives tend to live in more.
    >> Anonymous 04/23/10(Fri)11:54 No.710602
    >>710598
    more rural areas where public transportation doesn't exist
    >> Anonymous 04/23/10(Fri)11:56 No.710609
    http://thinkprogress.org/2009/09/17/transit-tea-party/

    A large number of the tea party protesters relied on DC’s transit system to get around the city. The Washington Metropolitan Transit Authority (WMATA) reported that on Sept. 12, metrorail ridership was double compared to an average Saturday. The Washington metro, of course, is public transit — in other words, it’s run by big government.
    >> Anonymous 04/23/10(Fri)11:58 No.710620
    We would be in flying cars by now if it weren't for environmentalism.
    >> Anonymous 04/23/10(Fri)12:00 No.710628
    >>710620
    We would be dying at 25 by now if it weren't for environmentalism.
    >> Anonymous 04/23/10(Fri)12:05 No.710648
    Oh god what I wouldn't give for decent public transport. I commute about 80-90 miles round trip each day from Binghamton NY to Scranton PA. We're not talking shit towns but there is very little in the way of public transportation between the two cities. No trains, no buses, nothing. The best I can get is carpooling but I've yet to find anyone else that travels that far for work.
    >> Anonymous 04/23/10(Fri)12:06 No.710656
    >>710628 We would be dying at 25 by now if it were up to environmentalism.
    >> Anonymous 04/23/10(Fri)12:06 No.710658
    European roads are shit. I wouldn't want to drive on them either. Don't blame us for having better infrastructure.
    >> Anonymous 04/23/10(Fri)12:07 No.710665
    >>710648
    >90 mile commute

    I think it's time to move or change jobs.
    >> Anonymous 04/23/10(Fri)12:08 No.710668
    >>710665
    america is a big country with lots of jobs that pay well that are often in different areas
    >> Anonymous 04/23/10(Fri)12:12 No.710709
    >>710665
    >I think it's time to move or change jobs.
    Sometimes it is prohibitively expensive to live where you work. I am debating moving from the DC Metro/Northern VA to another job in another state because I could get 4-6 times the house for 1/2 the price.
    >> Anonymous 04/23/10(Fri)12:13 No.710712
    >>709102
    because the government subsidies it
    >> Anonymous 04/23/10(Fri)12:13 No.710713
    >>710665
    I did. My previous job was 120 miles round trip.
    >> Anonymous 04/23/10(Fri)12:16 No.710731
    >>710609
    >>710609
    >>710609
    >>710609
    >>710609
    >>710609
    >>710609
    >>710609
    >>710609
    >>710609
    >>710609
    >>710609
    >> Anonymous 04/23/10(Fri)12:19 No.710743
    >>710731
    The Federal government could not function without MetroRail. We already all know this.
    >> Anonymous 04/23/10(Fri)12:19 No.710744
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    America needs to expand existing public transportation and build many more, in a proper mutli-modal tiered system (I stress this because too often a place figures it can do it on the cheap with a few lightrail, or just one downtown, and fails):
    Streetcar or its big cousin the Lighrail Vehicle in the inner-city metropolitan area
    Commuter Railway traveling from a city center terminal through the city metropolitan area, inner urban, and suburban terminus.
    Metro inside a city.
    Regional Rail to more outlying areas.
    High-Speed Rail providing inter-city and inter-region travel. You'd still fly from New York to L.A., but ride a train from New York to Chicago.
    >> Anonymous 04/23/10(Fri)12:20 No.710749
    Can people stop with the HUR BIG COUNTRY argument?
    Thats got nothing to do with inside a city and the surrounding area, where most people live.
    >> Anonymous 04/23/10(Fri)12:22 No.710766
    I walk on all fours and throw feces at people.
    You WISH you were this green.
    >> S.T.A.L.K.E.R. !!Q+dsI/uvfZo 04/23/10(Fri)12:23 No.710776
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    >>710743
    the entire Washington Metro area couldn't function without metrorail

    look, you're all making a huge mistake in framing the highway system as free market and mass transit as socialist

    they're BOTH government subsidized, especially automobile transport

    if it were up to the free market, mass transit would flourish because no one would be able to afford the tolls necessary to keep automobile roads functional, whereas rail and bus are very cheap to operate, after an initial overhead

    and to say that private enterprise can't afford billions in initial investment is sheer ignorance of the world's banking and investment institutions..
    >> Anonymous 04/23/10(Fri)12:25 No.710785
    >>710776
    the American ones wont afford a long term investment
    shit takes time to build up
    >> Anonymous 04/23/10(Fri)12:26 No.710792
    One annoying thing is how buses in my suburb come on 20 minute cycles and don't run after 10 pm. I need that 24 hour service, and 10 minute turnaround would be nice.
    Also need some way to not fall asleep and miss my stop.
    >> S.T.A.L.K.E.R. !!Q+dsI/uvfZo 04/23/10(Fri)12:26 No.710795
    >>710785
    not only is that false, but who needs American investors anyways, this is a global economy
    >> Anonymous 04/23/10(Fri)12:27 No.710799
    >>710749
    the closest city is like two hours away from me

    i live in new england.
    >> Anonymous 04/23/10(Fri)12:27 No.710801
    >>710792
    buses are the least form of public transportation, they should serve as a feeders to the railways and hops in between when outside the range of streetcars/lightrail
    >> Anonymous 04/23/10(Fri)12:27 No.710804
    >>710776
    >if it were up to the free market, mass transit would flourish because no one would be able to afford the tolls necessary to keep automobile roads functional, whereas rail and bus are very cheap to operate, after an initial overhead
    Neither would be within the range of the commoner. All I see is transit systems losing money year after year.
    >> Anonymous 04/23/10(Fri)12:28 No.710809
    >>710799
    and imagine how long it'd take on a train traveling 160 to 200km/h
    >> Anonymous 04/23/10(Fri)12:28 No.710817
    >>710749
    I'll explain this slowly so you'll understand it, most people live outside the confines of the city. IIRC only about 1/3 of the us population is considered to live in the metropolitan area. I don't know about your city, but in my city public transportation is filled with people with diseases, I shit you not, I've seen multiple cases of leprosy on my bus route. Not to mention the public urination on the bus, people talking too loud. Yeah, I think I'll take my motorcycle or truck thanks.
    >> S.T.A.L.K.E.R. !!Q+dsI/uvfZo 04/23/10(Fri)12:29 No.710824
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    >>710804
    bullshit
    >> Anonymous 04/23/10(Fri)12:30 No.710827
    >>710817
    >only 6,500 cases of leprosy in the whole country
    >seriously wants us to believe he sees it regularly

    Christ
    >> Anonymous 04/23/10(Fri)12:30 No.710830
    >>710776 you're all making a huge mistake in framing the highway system as free market and mass transit as socialist

    If anything, the history of transportation in the US was the opposite, with rail being the product of private entrepreneurs and the highway system being the government's doing.
    >> Anonymous 04/23/10(Fri)12:30 No.710831
    >>710809
    ...

    we HAVE a train. MBTA. it goes straight to boston. it's quicker to drive there.

    also 160khm is only 100mph. that's like...cruising speed on the highway
    >> Anonymous 04/23/10(Fri)12:30 No.710832
    >>710824
    >bullshit
    Can you show me a transit system that was solvent on revenues from 2003-2008?
    >> Anonymous 04/23/10(Fri)12:31 No.710837
    In the .4% here, you guys don't know what you're missing. For every near death experience, the mental and physical benefits gleaned for daily cardio are worth it. Being outside is always a plus, unless you live in sprawlville, USA.
    >> Anonymous 04/23/10(Fri)12:33 No.710846
    >>710817
    >Most Americans live in or near cities; today 53 percent live in the 20 largest cities. 75 percent of all Americans live in metropolitan areas.
    Alrighty then.
    Commuter Trains from a city center terminal traveling through the metropolitan area, on through inner urban, on through the suburbs, to a rural terminus some 34 miles away. Multiple lines in the classic hub and spoke arrangement I suppose unless you've got a better suggestion.
    Regional Rail extending beyond several of these lines to 100-200 miles lets say, providing access to rural areas, regional cities, towns, etc.
    >> Anonymous 04/23/10(Fri)12:34 No.710850
    >>710846
    or i could drive because im not a poorfag

    public transit sucks. i like being able to go wherever the fuck i want to go, without having to sit next to a bunch of douchebags
    >> cars soccerfreak 04/23/10(Fri)12:34 No.710852
    cause you always carpool, recycle, plant trees and shit rainbows. oh mighty greenbean movement forgive me for farting.
    >> Anonymous 04/23/10(Fri)12:35 No.710857
    >>710846
    It would be cool to see that in the US. But with the subsidies for roads and air travel, it will never happen without a hell of a culture shift.
    >> Anonymous 04/23/10(Fri)12:36 No.710859
    Funny, they left out 10% of Americans...

    The 10% into which I just happen to fit.
    >> Anonymous 04/23/10(Fri)12:37 No.710867
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    >>710837
    no thanks. I run once a night.
    >> Anonymous 04/23/10(Fri)12:37 No.710868
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    >>710850
    >> S.T.A.L.K.E.R. !!Q+dsI/uvfZo 04/23/10(Fri)12:40 No.710887
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    >>710832
    >Can you show me a transit system that was solvent on revenues from 2003-2008?
    can you show me a highway system that hasn't been funded by the Federal government?

    >>710850
    >i like being able to go wherever the fuck i want to go, without having to sit next to a bunch of douchebags
    and that's fine, but i shouldn't have to pay for the luxury of your vehicular-independence out of my taxes
    >> Anonymous 04/23/10(Fri)12:40 No.710894
    >>710846
    >to a rural terminus some 34 miles away at maximum.
    they don't have to all be that long, some could be shorter of course.
    supply/demand after all.
    >> Anonymous 04/23/10(Fri)12:40 No.710895
    >>710867

    To each their own, I guess. If everyone within 20 miles (easily an hour on a bike) rode to work, the US would be dramatically healthier as a nation, plus less oil dependence, etc.
    >> Anonymous 04/23/10(Fri)12:41 No.710897
    >>710887
    you dont. state roads are paid with with an excise tax.
    >> Anonymous 04/23/10(Fri)12:41 No.710898
    Anyone want to hear me actually defend this? No. Okay then.
    >> Anonymous 04/23/10(Fri)12:41 No.710899
    >>710887
    >can you show me a highway system that hasn't been funded by the Federal government?
    Toll roads, have you ever seen them?
    >> Anonymous 04/23/10(Fri)12:41 No.710901
    >>709090
    I make you sick? fuck you. I start work at 11pm and get out at 7am I drive fucking 20 miles round trip. how the fuck am I gonna take a fucking bus you asshat!
    >> Anonymous 04/23/10(Fri)12:41 No.710902
    >>710895
    yeah but that takes an hour. i can get to work 20 miles away in like 10 minutes.
    >> Anonymous 04/23/10(Fri)12:41 No.710903
    Highway Trust Fund annually runs short and requires a cash transfer of 8 to 10 billion from the general fund
    >> Anonymous 04/23/10(Fri)12:42 No.710904
    >>710899
    this. and they're not that expensive. dunno why we dont do this more.
    >> Anonymous 04/23/10(Fri)12:45 No.710918
    >>710850
    >or i could drive because im not a poorfag
    I see businessmen and officeworkers catching it every morning and evening
    >public transit sucks.
    if poorly managed
    >i like being able to go wherever the fuck i want to go,
    a well designed multi-modal system provides this
    >without having to sit next to a bunch of douchebags
    its not our fault you're an aspie and probably can't even go to the toilet in public
    >> Anonymous 04/23/10(Fri)12:46 No.710919
    >>710902

    You barely notice it going by, scenery, etc. People should be more open-minded about this. Plus you save over 9000 dollars a year not paying for gas, maintenance, lease, insurance, etc.
    >> Anonymous 04/23/10(Fri)12:46 No.710922
    All these Europeans proclaiming how great their public transit is must have sub 1% nigger populations.
    >> Anonymous 04/23/10(Fri)12:47 No.710926
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    >>710919
    i don't think you get it. i go to work so i can afford to drive.
    >> Anonymous 04/23/10(Fri)12:48 No.710932
    >>710922
    well nigers are a severe deterrent of the public transit system. So always ride with an ex marine so he can send that gansta wannabe nigger to the amber lamps.
    >> Anonymous 04/23/10(Fri)12:49 No.710936
    >>710857
    >it will never happen without a hell of a culture shift.
    the ever rising price of oil
    And don't forget that doesn't just affect you at the pump. Agriculture needs it for harvesters, for fertilizer, for all the transporting that brings it to you; Industry needs it for plastics; etcetera.
    >> Anonymous 04/23/10(Fri)12:50 No.710943
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    when all else fails in denying the effectiveness of public transportation
    >> Anonymous 04/23/10(Fri)12:51 No.710947
    >>710936
    all part of commissar obama's master plan to bring CHANGE to America and end the tyranny of capitalism.
    >> Anonymous 04/23/10(Fri)12:51 No.710949
    >>710030

    >ending ALL subsidies would be fucking AMAZING

    Fixed.
    >> Anonymous 04/23/10(Fri)12:52 No.710957
    >>710949
    well yes. but if it DOES blow gas prices through the roof its going to cost obama the election.
    >> Anonymous 04/23/10(Fri)12:53 No.710962
    >>710949
    what if its for things we want and are of social value, like public transportation and domestic manufacture of the rolling stock?
    >> Anonymous 04/23/10(Fri)12:54 No.710965
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    >>710926
    Well that's just like... your wasteful hobby, man.
    >> Anonymous 04/23/10(Fri)12:54 No.710967
    >>710962
    we're subsidizing amtrak and people still dont like that.
    >> Anonymous 04/23/10(Fri)12:55 No.710971
    >>710957
    >its gonna win him the election.
    Obama is going to be reelected because people in this country really are too stupid to pin this on the fault of a black president.
    >> Anonymous 04/23/10(Fri)12:55 No.710972
    >>710967
    then why is ridership up?
    >> Anonymous 04/23/10(Fri)12:56 No.710977
    >>710972
    maybe because flying is getting fucking stupid.
    >> Anonymous 04/23/10(Fri)12:56 No.710981
    >>710943
    You can't deny it. I was a regular rider of MARTA. Some of the shit I have seen during the day just trying to get to the airport would turn any reasonable person off to public transit forever.
    >> Anonymous 04/23/10(Fri)12:58 No.710996
    >>710981
    the worst thing about MARTA would be that it is not connected to any regional railway system, you have to physically travel by car or bus to the separate Amtrak station
    >> Anonymous 04/23/10(Fri)12:59 No.711000
    >>710977
    so rail is good then
    >> Anonymous 04/23/10(Fri)13:00 No.711006
    >>709090
    FUCK YEAH PUBLIC TRANSIT
    >> Anonymous 04/23/10(Fri)13:01 No.711007
    >>710996
    >the worst thing about MARTA would be the niggers
    Fixed.
    >> Anonymous 04/23/10(Fri)13:15 No.711063
    I live in NYC.
    I never have to bother driving.
    Feels good, man.
    >> Anonymous 04/23/10(Fri)13:19 No.711074
    Another problem is funding a new public transportation system of America. I think we should abolish airplane and road subsidies, and divert funds for new roads straight to rail and public transport. Eventually make all public transport and intercity and commuter rail free of charge. (Except for the sleeper services, they can charge fares for them)
    >> Anonymous 04/23/10(Fri)13:20 No.711079
    >>711074
    >Eventually make all public transport and intercity and commuter rail free of charge.
    No. That is just asinine.
    >> Anonymous 04/23/10(Fri)13:22 No.711081
    oh like its our fault all the suburbs are at least 20 minute drives to the nearest city. fuck you OP. Also, every american deserves his or her own car to drive to work in, just as every american gets a house. it is our birthright.
    >> Anonymous 04/23/10(Fri)13:23 No.711091
    the main problem with public transit is and always has been. niggers. put one epic beard man on each as a standard. i'll take it then.
    >> Anonymous 04/23/10(Fri)13:23 No.711095
    >>711074
    You have no idea how this world works, do you?
    >> Anonymous 04/23/10(Fri)13:25 No.711102
    >>711007
    >>710996
    >the worst thing about MARTA would be Atlanta

    fixed
    >> Anonymous 04/23/10(Fri)13:26 No.711107
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    >>709090
    this is what liberals actually believe
    >> Anonymous 04/23/10(Fri)13:26 No.711109
    >>709136
    Car pool, you tremendous faggot. The point the graph is making is that for almost every adult in the US there is a 2 ton slab of metal, when one slab of metal could get 4-5 people to work while guzzling a much lower amount of fuel.
    >> Anonymous 04/23/10(Fri)13:29 No.711115
    >>709853

    > 20

    I seriously hope per litre. As much as I hate to sound stupid about this but why do Americans not just buy Europe style cars? The last 5 years we have started getting vehicles capable of 74 mpg in Britain thanks to the Econetic thing Ford have going. Granted it is diesel but still.
    >> Anonymous 04/23/10(Fri)13:32 No.711131
    >>711095
    >>711079
    Do you have a better idea? I like to hear it from you two.
    >> Anonymous 04/23/10(Fri)13:36 No.711150
    >>710846

    I dont think you know what "metropolitan area" means. it is the entire area around a city, including suburbs, small towns, etc. its usually a 100mi radius or more around a city's borders. There is no way you can use trains and be able to have it available to most people. Buses wouldnt cut it, either.

    Metro and buses work inside cities, not in the suburbs, where most people prefer to live. I would rather have a car and drive to work. I value my safety and privacy over the 400$ a month I pay in car payments, insurance, gas, etc.
    >> Anonymous 04/23/10(Fri)13:36 No.711152
    >>711115
    Because suburban mothers want to drive fucking tanks. It's their God-given right, don't you know!
    >> Anonymous 04/23/10(Fri)13:36 No.711153
    I tried taking the bus to the mall once when my car was in the shop. Instead of taking 15 minutes like with the car it took over an hour. And it went through really bad neighborhoods and a lot of the people on the bus seemed really creepy.
    >> Anonymous 04/23/10(Fri)13:38 No.711162
    I take MARTA because, in the end, it's a lot cheaper and not as stressful as driving from the suburbs to Atlanta for school. Gas expenses go down, and I don't have to deal with the nightmare that is finding a parking spot in Downtown.

    That being said, it's a pretty shitty excuse for a public transportation system. Barring the fact that it's infested with niggers and hobos (just got home after a hour long ride sitting 5 feet away from some nigger playing really shitty rap music on his phone's speakers, fucking hell), the scheduling and the people they hire for this shit is absolutely horrid. A normally 30 minute ride took a fucking hour because the train broke down and they had to shoo everyone off the train and wait for a new one. This happens way more often than it should. Then the schedule is fucked up, you get service every 15 minutes (horribly inefficient if you miss the train by thirty fucking seconds), and it's an absolute mess all in all.

    Still, I'd rather take that than have to drive. And at least I get to pretend that I give two shits about the environment.
    >> Anonymous 04/23/10(Fri)13:41 No.711172
    >>711150
    in the context of describing where the rail vehicles operates I do use metro to refer to the inner-city
    The Census Bureau of course has a different meaning, a much broader area.
    This would be covered as described by the commuter trains which do serve suburbs and regional railways serving beyond that.
    >> Anonymous 04/23/10(Fri)13:42 No.711177
    >>710226

    Lets see, I can drive to work in 25 minutes or spend 2 hours riding my bike.
    >> Anonymous 04/23/10(Fri)13:45 No.711182
    Use the bike to get to the train station or streetcar/lightrail vehicle stop. Leave at station or stop, bring on board if its folding.
    Saying we should all ride bikes everywhere is even sillier than saying we should all drive cars everywhere.
    >> Anonymous 04/23/10(Fri)13:46 No.711183
    >>711150
    What about people who can't drive at all. I recently met a person who was driving until he saw a doctor who check out his eyes and hold him that he can't drive at all. He has family to help him, but what about other people?

    What about teenagers who they or their family can't afford a second car? And regular adults who can't afford a car and all other options are either inaccessible because those same options you have to use a car.

    Sure you can use a taxi, but the fares add up.
    >> Anonymous 04/23/10(Fri)13:47 No.711188
    >>711182

    >implying there is a train station near my work.

    Nope.
    >> Anonymous 04/23/10(Fri)13:50 No.711194
    >>711188
    There's probably a bus station. Most buses have racks in front where you can put your bicycle.
    >> Anonymous 04/23/10(Fri)13:51 No.711195
    >>711188
    1) get train near to work
    2-A) complete journey on streetcar or lightrail or bus
    2-B) bring folding bike (a bike is cumbersome on a train and while racks can be provided its not many and takes up seat space)
    2-C) walk
    >> Anonymous 04/23/10(Fri)13:51 No.711198
    >>711183
    I'm one of those fags who can't drive. I have trouble paying attention and frequently space out when I'm driving so I decided it's probably best that I stay out of the driver's seat.
    >> Anonymous 04/23/10(Fri)13:54 No.711203
    >Yet again euroturds think Americans live in a small but densely populated country like they do

    le sigh
    >> Anonymous 04/23/10(Fri)13:55 No.711209
    >>711195
    100% impossible on all counts
    >> Anonymous 04/23/10(Fri)13:55 No.711210
    in the big city like boston, new york (manhattan) , seattle the number of people using bike, walking and mass transit goes up to 60%
    >> Anonymous 04/23/10(Fri)13:55 No.711215
    >>711209
    then build the mutli-modal system
    >> Anonymous 04/23/10(Fri)13:55 No.711216
    >>711198
    How do you get to work, then?
    >> Anonymous 04/23/10(Fri)13:56 No.711217
    >>711150
    >privacy
    >suburbs

    Enjoy your neighbors calling the cops because your grass is over an inch high.
    >> Anonymous 04/23/10(Fri)13:57 No.711221
    I love the privacy complaint people make about public transportation, shows what fucking aspie children you are
    >> Anonymous 04/23/10(Fri)13:58 No.711223
    >>711217
    lol ,they want to leave far from black people
    >> Anonymous 04/23/10(Fri)14:01 No.711238
    >>711198
    I ride a bike and use public transportation to get between home, school and work. But I live in a residential district of a major city so I have access to different types of public transportation.
    >> Anonymous 04/23/10(Fri)14:03 No.711249
    I live in a rural area, 45 minutes away from my school. You suggesting I bike 6 hours to get there, and 6 hours to get back?
    >> Anonymous 04/23/10(Fri)14:04 No.711254
    Okay, so...

    In Europe, in any one country, the amount of money they use to create a public transit system which could carry the entirety of their populous to just about any corner of the country would be a fraction of how much that amount would cost in the United States. Yes, Americans do use their cars to get to work, but they also use their cars for trips to other parts of the country. Inter-city transit exists on more than a private level, but at the same time the vast amount of land over which one must travel inhibits public transit's effectiveness. Greyhound travels to every state in the Union except one, and they are having trouble filling their busses. Why? Because in order to have buses departing for the places people are going, and in a timely fashion, so many bus routes are required that buses often make trips with less than 5 passengers. But that same bus, at a different time, will be full. Even with the heavy amount of bussing Greyhound creates, the layovers at bus stations are still sometimes in excess of twelve hours. All of this is simply because of the vast amount of cities, and the vast distances between those cities, to which these buses must travel, frequently, in order to satisfy the customer.

    Or, someone can take a car. If they travel a decent amount, the car and gas will quickly become cheaper than paying for bus or train tickets to the different places. Not to mention, for every 12-hours, an American averages 4 hours of work. In order to not take a car, we would have to...

    1: Pay more.
    2: Waste time waiting on public transit
    3: Put themselves into a public setting for ridiculously long periods of time
    4: Make the inter-city public transit systems able to handle volume
    5: Make sure that the companies don't go bankrupt while attempting to handle this volume.

    That said, I work about 50 miles away, and drive to work by myself. If anyone I worked with lived near me, I'd give them a ride to work. But they don't.
    >> Anonymous 04/23/10(Fri)14:06 No.711267
    >>710895 To each their own, I guess. If everyone within 20 miles (easily an hour on a bike) rode to work, the US would be dramatically healthier as a nation, plus less oil dependence, etc.

    20 miles on a flat area maybe, on hills and mountains. No way in hell is a 20 mile bike ride going to take an hour. You urban dwellers don't have a clue.
    >> Anonymous 04/23/10(Fri)14:07 No.711275
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    >>711254
    >uses buses as his example
    >> Nomen !!0IHfcr+SnyC 04/23/10(Fri)14:07 No.711280
    >>711254
    >1: Pay more.
    Lies.
    >2: Waste time waiting on public transit
    As opposed to wasting time on roads clogged up by cars?
    >3: Put themselves into a public setting for ridiculously long periods of time
    Do you have social anxiety disorder or something?
    >4: Make the inter-city public transit systems able to handle volume
    Why is it a shocking suggestion to make a public service work as intended?
    >5: Make sure that the companies don't go bankrupt while attempting to handle this volume.
    Surely a high-volume of customers would increase profits.
    >> Anonymous 04/23/10(Fri)14:08 No.711283
    >>711254
    >implying there is something uniquely different about American travel patterns
    >> Anonymous 04/23/10(Fri)14:10 No.711291
    public transport here. works out cheaper and quicker.
    >> Anonymous 04/23/10(Fri)14:10 No.711293
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    americans love hitler
    >> Anonymous 04/23/10(Fri)14:16 No.711310
    >>711267

    And I forgot to add in the winter in 2 feet of snow when the roads haven't been plowed yet. Then the benefits of 4 wheeled drive become obvious.
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    First of all, stop being a faggot.

    Second of all, have you at all looked at how America works? Only big cities really have public transit and even then it's not that reliable. (Hello MBTA and your fuck ton of debt and constant delays and breakdowns.)

    Third, the arguments of bikes being better is stupid. Have you tried riding a bike in America? In other countries it sure is sweet cause everyone accepts that as a mode of transportation, but here, you have a better chance of becoming roadkill than saving the planet. Cars dominate everything and most people who drive hate bicyclists. Bikes also can't go on the highway.

    Walking to work? If you live far from work, why would you walk? And don't give me this bullshit about how you should move closer to where you work. Most places in cities are expensive, like $2000+ a month for a shitty two bedroom apartment that's about the size of someone's garage (utilities not included).

    OMG American is destroying the world! Go fuck yourself.
    >> Anonymous 04/23/10(Fri)14:19 No.711316
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    >>711312
    >> Anonymous 04/23/10(Fri)14:23 No.711325
    >>711194

    Nope

    Why can't you eurofags just accept that driving is a million times more convenient for us because we don't all live in densely populated areas.
    >> Anonymous 04/23/10(Fri)14:26 No.711333
    >>711283

    Amurrka r biggur. Get it?

    >>711280

    Interstate highways are only clogged in urban areas. Generally, most of our interstates are pretty open and unclogged.

    It will cost more, I know because I've traveled this country via bus, train, plane, and car. By -far- the cheapest method is a personal vehicle with a good ratio of miles to gallon. I made it from New Orleans to Denver on less than $100.

    And I don't have social anxiety, but anyone travelling with children won't want to make them sleep in what is effectively a public area. On a plane, it's somewhat different, but on a train or a bus, you're not going to be able to keep track of them the whole time. Especially if you plan on sleeping at any point during the ride.

    And it's not shocking to ask a public service to work as intended, provided that is feasible. In this case, it isn't. In order to have trains or buses which were capable of inter-city transit at a price and a frequency that would satisfy the American public, and actually convince them to get out of their cars, one would have to send off an excessive number of unpopulated trains and buses. It's not just like you can put more trains on the tracks during higher volume periods, or make your schedules fluid. You have to keep a rigid schedule, and if that means sending a train from Chicago to Indianapolis with two people on it, then so be it.

    You would think so, but like I said before, a high volume of customers will increase the amount of runs for each branch of transit which carry few people. Sure, they know that during Christmas people will be travelling, but other than that the more people that use the transit system, the more inherent instability in passenger count you will have.

    Granted, I'm all for intra-city transit systems, but in an inter-city sense, over the entire huge expanse of land we have, it's not really feasible.
    >> Anonymous 04/23/10(Fri)14:28 No.711340
    >>711325
    Where do you get this idea the USA is made up exclusively of suburbs and towns and rural villages of a few hundred people
    look at this fucking map: >>710744
    >> Anonymous 04/23/10(Fri)14:29 No.711345
    >>711333
    >By -far- the cheapest method is a personal vehicle because of all the subsidies and tax breaks
    >> Anonymous 04/23/10(Fri)14:30 No.711348
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    >>711333
    >You would think so, but like I said before, a high volume of customers will increase the amount of runs for each branch of transit which carry few people. Sure, they know that during Christmas people will be travelling, but other than that the more people that use the transit system, the more inherent instability in passenger count you will have.
    >> Anonymous 04/23/10(Fri)14:31 No.711351
    >>711333
    commuters going to work in the morning, coming home in the evening.
    leisure activities at night and weekends and public holidays.
    >> Anonymous 04/23/10(Fri)14:32 No.711360
    >>711333
    >Granted, I'm all for intra-city transit systems, but in an inter-city sense, over the entire huge expanse of land we have, it's not really feasible.
    REGIONS
    North East
    Mid West
    South East
    West Coast
    and so on
    Nobody said you'd ride a train from New York to L.A., in fact the multi-modal guy specifically refuted that, scroll up and exercise some reading comprehension you fucking moron.
    >> Anonymous 04/23/10(Fri)14:34 No.711366
    >>711340

    I live in a suburb near Boston and it is much easier for me to use my car to get to work.

    Note: I don't commute INTO Boston, I commute away from it.
    >> Anonymous 04/23/10(Fri)14:36 No.711377
    >>711366
    moar commuter rail and streetcar or lightail
    >> Anonymous 04/23/10(Fri)14:37 No.711382
    >>709683
    It's always cheaper. car insurance alone is waaay more than a monthly bus pass. Ass on gas, maintenance.. owning a car is much more expensive.
    >> Anonymous 04/23/10(Fri)14:38 No.711385
    >>711351

    Make your English better please, I really don't understand what you're getting at.

    >>711348

    You've probably never ridden on any American public transit except for an airplane. And I don't mean the city bus, I mean a bus or train which will take you from one large urban center to another. They're either entirely empty except for a few people, or packed, and leaving people behind due to overbooking.

    >>711345

    Sure, I can write off a train ticket on my taxes, if it's a business expense. But then, I can also write off my car's gas, and its maintenance on my taxes too. And all of this is assuming that I'm one of the Americans who makes enough money to have to pay taxes.
    >> Anonymous 04/23/10(Fri)14:40 No.711393
    >>711382

    My car insurance is $100 a month, give or take.

    My gas is around $100 a month.

    I might get an oil change once a month, that's about $20.

    A month long bus pass, last I checked (which was in about 2002, so bear with me) was about $500 for a 2-month pass, during the summer, when they were offering deals.

    So, I'm paying $30 more to take a bus, which I will have to wait on, instead of taking a car.
    >> Anonymous 04/23/10(Fri)14:41 No.711405
    >>711360

    So I'd take two trains. Is that any better? You just added a layover.

    I didn't specifically mean 1 train, jackass. When I bussed around the country, you think I took 1 bus the whole time?
    >> Anonymous 04/23/10(Fri)14:43 No.711417
    >>709136
    >>709136
    >>709136

    >>709168
    >>709168
    >>709168

    This. THIS. A thousand times THIS, you fucking morons.

    /thread
    >> Anonymous 04/23/10(Fri)14:45 No.711422
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    >>711393 I might get an oil change once a month
    >> Anonymous 04/23/10(Fri)14:45 No.711424
    >>711393

    Lolwatt? Bus in Boston is 1.70 each fare, 5 day weeks for 9 weeks (two months) isn't $500. Closer to 60 dollars, IMO.
    >> Anonymous 04/23/10(Fri)14:45 No.711426
    >>711405
    >two trains
    you are a moron
    you would still fly New York to L.A.
    But a high speed train would be the better option New York to Chicago and everywhere in between.
    >> Anonymous 04/23/10(Fri)14:46 No.711428
    this entire thread is just faggots with a harddon for buses or something. it's really weird.

    even if public transit was cheaper, i'd STILL drive. yknow why? because it's more versatile, more convenient, and it's quicker.

    and even if somehow magically wasn't, i still would, because i fucking like driving, and so do most americans.
    >> Anonymous 04/23/10(Fri)14:47 No.711431
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    >>711424

    That's 60 for a month unlimited, I mean.
    >> Anonymous 04/23/10(Fri)14:47 No.711432
    >>711426
    >But a high speed train would be the better option New York to Chicago and everywhere in between

    This is what economically illiterate faggots actually believe.
    >> Anonymous 04/23/10(Fri)14:49 No.711448
    >>711428

    No shit. Same here. Not to mention that this isn't a tiny little nation like France and a massive public transportation system just isn't feasible here, nor is it economically viable for everyone to live in the city close to their jobs.

    tl;dr Mass transit dipshits are economic retards.
    >> Anonymous 04/23/10(Fri)14:49 No.711449
    >>711428
    >his entire thread is just faggots with a harddon for buses or something. it's really weird.
    you fucking retard, buses are the least form of public transportation
    >>711432
    3 to 4 hours for ~1000km trip, there are an awful lot of places within that range of New York, Chicago, etcetera
    >> Anonymous 04/23/10(Fri)14:51 No.711458
    >>711448
    >No shit. Same here. Not to mention that this isn't a tiny little nation like France
    700 kilometers is 700 kilometers whether its in the USA or France
    An Acela train takes 7 hours to travel from Boston to DC, a TGV train travels Paris o Marseilles in 3 hours.
    >> Anonymous 04/23/10(Fri)14:52 No.711464
    >>711426

    Unless my plan was to visit different lcations along the way. Hurr durr.

    >>711424

    Like I said, that's intra-city transit. I'm down with that. Inter-city transit is another thing entirely. Inter-city bus passes are decidedly more expensive.
    >> Anonymous 04/23/10(Fri)14:52 No.711465
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    I think this thread has proven how shitty and inefficient public transportation is, I'm a proud car owner. I put a "Save the Whales" sticker on my exhaust pipe just for you. ;)
    >> Anonymous 04/23/10(Fri)14:53 No.711470
    >>711458
    the difference is we're not all crammed into a tiny-ass country

    also the tgv sucks. i fucking love driving from boston to dc. dodging traffic on i95 on the morning fucking gets your blood pumping.
    >> Anonymous 04/23/10(Fri)14:53 No.711473
    >>711422

    Hey, look, I have a picture, it's supposed to make a statement, which I am too illiterate to form into text.
    >> Anonymous 04/23/10(Fri)14:54 No.711479
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    Same area of sq miles from same altitude comparison.

    You have been told.
    >> Anonymous 04/23/10(Fri)14:55 No.711485
    >implying i dont teleport
    >> Anonymous 04/23/10(Fri)14:56 No.711490
    Just going to throw this out there:

    China just surpassed the US as the largest consumer market for cars annually.

    Have fun competing with them for oil and the illustrious title of "Biggest Pricks Destroying the World for Stupid Reasons."
    >> Anonymous 04/23/10(Fri)14:58 No.711496
    i find it quite funny that that people think mass transit will in the us. a few week ago i was watch a docmentry on pbs about who the left tards wants spend shit loads on mass transit. i remember this one nigger saying detroit needs billions in mass transit funding because the poor black niggers cant buy a car. they also showed these high speed train nuts who were saying we should be just like spain. well i guess we should be like spain and spend like no tomorrow and be closer to national bankruptcy then we are now. in closing, left send the left tards to canada and use detroit as a nuclear proving ground.
    >> Anonymous 04/23/10(Fri)14:59 No.711502
    >>711496

    Make your English better.
    >> Anonymous 04/23/10(Fri)15:00 No.711507
    >>711458

    France is 640,000 square kilometers.

    The United States NINE MILLION SQUARE KILOMETERS.

    Besides that, you can't have rail travel within the entirety of that theoretical 700 km radius (which is about the entire size of France by the way, you stupid fuck) because it would be prohibitively expensive. Trying to do it in a country the size of the US would bankrupt us.

    tl;dr You're a fucking moron and I wish I could strangle you to death through the internet. I mad.
    >> Anonymous 04/23/10(Fri)15:00 No.711510
    Thanks /new/
    I would never expect anything more than
    "ALL CARS! NO PUBLIC TRANSPORT!"
    "NO CARS! ALL PUBLIC TRANSPORT!"
    >> Anonymous 04/23/10(Fri)15:01 No.711515
    >>711496
    what's really funny is spain's housing bubble is just starting to pop. i wouldn't be surprised if their unemployment zoomed past 25%
    >> Anonymous 04/23/10(Fri)15:01 No.711517
    Closest bus stop to me is about 2 miles, kinda hard to get there on foot on time

    Plus every thing is 10+ miles away, takes about 2 hours just to get there on a bus
    >> Anonymous 04/23/10(Fri)15:02 No.711521
    public transportation is shit in the vast majority of places, most places are not laid out in a manner that you can walk, and cities aren't made to be friendly to bicycles (plus you arrive at work all sweaty)
    >> Anonymous 04/23/10(Fri)15:02 No.711523
    >>711510

    I'm all for intra-city public transit. It's just the inter-city public transit which I find to be unfeasible.
    >> Anonymous 04/23/10(Fri)15:03 No.711532
    >>711510

    Nah, brah. Public transport is fine in big cities and does help.

    But it's completely useless and not feasible outside of them, nor is moving everyone closer to their jobs. In the United States, it is only feasible inside large cities.
    >> Anonymous 04/23/10(Fri)15:03 No.711533
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    The future!
    >> Anonymous 04/23/10(Fri)15:03 No.711536
    >>711523
    this. buses and subways are great ways to get around cities. once you leave the cities though, they're fucking useless.

    ever been to new york city? nobody there drives because of all of the traffic. it's really fucking weird.
    >> Anonymous 04/23/10(Fri)15:04 No.711539
    Hey faggots, how does it feel wasting 99% of your fuel hauling a huge piece of shit around or staying still congested traffic?
    >> Anonymous 04/23/10(Fri)15:04 No.711540
    ITT: Eurofags who've never set foot outside their country make retarded mass transit comparisons a country they know nothing about.
    >> Anonymous 04/23/10(Fri)15:05 No.711546
    >>711521
    Christ, yeah that would suck

    Even more for school

    My school is about 15 miles away, I only go 4 times a week for 1 hour each day, would be such a waste of time to bike or bus to school
    >> Anonymous 04/23/10(Fri)15:06 No.711551
    >>711539
    >I'm either a Eurofag who doesn't understand what American traffic is like, or a teenage resident of a very large city who thinks traffic everywhere is like that.

    YOU'RE SO ADORABLE.
    >> Anonymous 04/23/10(Fri)15:06 No.711554
    >>711539
    >implying there is traffic in small cities
    >> Anonymous 04/23/10(Fri)15:06 No.711556
    >>711539
    i've been in traffic literally once in my life. so i just turned off the highway and drove through the woods until i found a road. fuck yeah 4x4.
    >> rec & play !!ZTOm5LLVLJH 04/23/10(Fri)15:09 No.711577
    >>711540
    >Eurofags who've never set foot outside their country

    That's Americans, dipshit
    >> Anonymous 04/23/10(Fri)15:09 No.711579
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    >>711533
    that's fast food for bears
    >> Anonymous 04/23/10(Fri)15:10 No.711584
    >>711577

    I'm an American and have lived in Maastricht, Chiang Mai, and Perth.

    Where've you been?
    >> Anonymous 04/23/10(Fri)15:11 No.711585
    >>711577
    well they tired to make a big country. they called it the EU. now it's falling like a set of fucking dominoes.
    >> Anonymous 04/23/10(Fri)15:11 No.711588
    >>711539
    Oh look, I detect a child who's never traveled outside his home city. You enjoying the delusion that all of America is exactly like the ten blocks that surround your little bubble?
    >> Anonymous 04/23/10(Fri)15:12 No.711596
    >>711507
    >France is 640,000 square kilometers.
    >The United States NINE MILLION SQUARE KILOMETERS.
    yes, but most of the population is clustered in small densely populated areas.
    not a lot of people would take a train from new york to l.a. but from new york to buffalo, or washington?
    >> Anonymous 04/23/10(Fri)15:13 No.711601
    >>711556 fuck yeah 4x4.

    Another endorsement for the awesome 4x4!
    >> Anonymous 04/23/10(Fri)15:13 No.711604
    >>711596
    driving is faster.
    >> Anonymous 04/23/10(Fri)15:14 No.711612
    >>711533
    that looks kind of fun, buts its not feasible. as for what will we do when we run out of cheap oil. we need to go electric in cars. but obama is too much of a pussy to build nuclear plants and the republicunts are in bed with the oil company's so will most likely will miss our golden opportunity to jump on this issue and solve before we are screwed and have a half ass transition to electric.
    >> Anonymous 04/23/10(Fri)15:15 No.711620
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    >> Anonymous 04/23/10(Fri)15:15 No.711621
    >>709108
    I don't think you understand how respiration works. typical American.
    >> Anonymous 04/23/10(Fri)15:15 No.711622
    >>711612
    electric cars suck. why? because batteries suck.

    if you want an alternative fuel, look to hydrogen. leave the oil to people like us that actually enjoy it.
    >> Anonymous 04/23/10(Fri)15:15 No.711625
    >>711601

    I hate 4x4's. But I think it's because I live in the South. Here, you see a lot of jackasses driving around 4WD trucks and huge, raised trucks. But then, you look at the bed of that truck, and it's spotless, as though it's never held anything in its life.

    I mean, if you -use- a 4x4, that's good. But most of the large vehicles I have seen are just to satisfy their owners' egos.

    Not to mention, where I live, if you see someone driving like a jackass, or getting into a wreck, there's a significant chance that person is driving a large truck.
    >> Anonymous 04/23/10(Fri)15:16 No.711628
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    >> Anonymous 04/23/10(Fri)15:16 No.711633
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    Here Eurofags, ride your bicycle in this kind of weather.
    >> Anonymous 04/23/10(Fri)15:16 No.711636
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    >>711625
    You mean people are allowed to own things they like...what kind of a world are we living in when the government can't tell people what to buy or how to live....madness!
    >> Anonymous 04/23/10(Fri)15:17 No.711643
    >>711625
    then that's the douchebag owners' fault. leave the poor transfer cases alone.
    >> Anonymous 04/23/10(Fri)15:18 No.711647
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    >>711604
    >driving is faster.
    lolno.
    >> Anonymous 04/23/10(Fri)15:19 No.711653
    >>711507
    Australia has the same problem. What is the difference?
    >> Anonymous 04/23/10(Fri)15:20 No.711665
    >>711647
    oh. high speed rail. fuck yeah there's no way i'm putting money down for that when we already have roads.

    sure it's faster but it doesn't have a v8.
    >> Anonymous 04/23/10(Fri)15:21 No.711669
    >>711647

    Yes it is, you stupid fuck, when you figure in the waiting times for the trains, getting to and from the train station, and the fact that those bullet trains never run anywhere near their maximum speed.

    Status
    [X] TOLD
    [  ] NOT TOLD
    >> Anonymous 04/23/10(Fri)15:21 No.711671
    >>711653
    well, australia sucks, for one.

    lol P platers.
    >> Anonymous 04/23/10(Fri)15:22 No.711676
    >>711622
    >because batteries suck.
    >if you want an alternative fuel, look to hydrogen.
    fuck yea, hydrogen! it's like batteries, but ten times more expensive.
    >> Anonymous 04/23/10(Fri)15:22 No.711678
    >>711669

    That was delicious. 1000 internetz to you sir.
    >> Anonymous 04/23/10(Fri)15:23 No.711684
    >>711669
    whats the average speed?

    anyway you're basically fucked once you get OFF the train and have to get around.

    plus when i go to ny i tow a trailer with atv's and/or put some in the bed of the truck
    >> Anonymous 04/23/10(Fri)15:23 No.711685
    >>711622
    im not arguing that oil is better then electric because oil is better, but oil will some day become too expensive to be feasible as a transport fuel. hydrogen is too expensive to also be feasible so that leaves electric the only player in the game in the future.
    >> Anonymous 04/23/10(Fri)15:23 No.711688
    >>711676
    >implying hydrogen wouldn't get cheaper if we used the fuck out of it

    We already use the fuck out of batteries all over in every industry. They're not going to get significantly cheaper very fast. Hydrogen would.
    >> Anonymous 04/23/10(Fri)15:24 No.711693
    >>711685
    >>711676
    hydrogen is actually pretty cheap.

    as for batteries, they just don't last long enough. and they're really fucking heavy.

    maybe in the future but the tech for them sucks right now. meanwhile honda is beasting on the hydrogen.
    >> Anonymous 04/23/10(Fri)15:25 No.711704
    >>711669
    How good is that if you're stuck in traffic?

    Especially in Los Angeles...
    >> Anonymous 04/23/10(Fri)15:26 No.711710
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    The gist of this thread is that euro-welfare-niggers are bitching because they can't afford nice things and want America to suffer with being a poor welfare-nigger socialized country. TL;DR Europe is full of welfare niggers who bitch that everyone else is better off than they are.
    >> Anonymous 04/23/10(Fri)15:28 No.711730
    >>711710
    fucking FINALLY someone fucking said it
    >> Anonymous 04/23/10(Fri)15:29 No.711735
    I love these threads. They make me proud of my fellow Amerifags.

    Because this is one area where the Eurofags in their little bubbles have absolutely no fucking clue what they're talking about it's a non-stop Eurofag told-a-thon.
    >> Anonymous 04/23/10(Fri)15:30 No.711741
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    >>711735
    >non-stop Eurofag told-a-thon
    >> Anonymous 04/23/10(Fri)15:30 No.711742
    >>711636

    Not saying it should be illegal. I'm saying they're fucking morons. Smearing your body with jello and running around in the streets shouldn't be illegal, but it's still not smart. If you're not using a truck, then why waste your money on its upkeep? Fuck, for the price of that truck, you could have gotten a -really- nice car.
    >> Anonymous 04/23/10(Fri)15:31 No.711749
    >>711735
    it's really weird because they keep trying over and over. you know they do because they post the same fucking pictures with the exact same fucking points.

    might be a few decades but shit is going to be trollface.jpg when we're exporting our shale'd oil to them.
    >> Anonymous 04/23/10(Fri)15:32 No.711750
    >>711704

    If you're driving in LA, that's one thing.

    But there are only a handful of cities the size of LA in the United States.

    What about Cheyenne? How about Tacoma? Tampa? Baton Rouge?
    >> Anonymous 04/23/10(Fri)15:41 No.711812
    >>711669
    >the waiting times for the trains
    10 minutes
    >getting to and from the train station
    bus or tram or light railway
    >and the fact that those bullet trains never run anywhere near their maximum speed
    im pretty sure 125mph average speed is faster than your car.
    >>711684
    >anyway you're basically fucked once you get OFF the train and have to get around.
    blame your government for shitty infrastructure planning
    >> Anonymous 04/23/10(Fri)15:42 No.711818
    The real problem with an electric battery powered car is unless you have a place to plug it in over night, in the middle of winter the battery will be dead by morning. The cold on a hot battery draws moisture causing some conductivity and discharges the battery. Not to mention even when you plug the electric car in, where is the electricity to charge it coming from? Odds are some where in your power grid you're still burning fossil fuels so it's a zero sum gain.

    Hydrogen and methane fuels are where it is at. Odds are you can build a plant to convert water to hydrogen and power it with wind and solar energy just like any oil refinery could. And methane gas comes from decomposing organic material, it's an inexhaustible fuel source and best form of respectability.
    >> Anonymous 04/23/10(Fri)15:43 No.711834
    >>711812

    Infrastructure may be shitty, but that's not the problem. It's big. Too big. Imagine trying to get around Paris, but there's only one train stop, which drops you off on the outskirts of the city.

    Note: This isn't New York I'm talking about, or LA, they have subways. I'm talking about cities like the ones I listed above, where the expanse of the city is just too wide to warrant public transit, but that very wideness makes it impossible to nagivate on foot or bicycle.
    >> Anonymous 04/23/10(Fri)15:44 No.711838
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    I wish I had a mobile phone which was powered with shell diesel. I think oil is the future. I would walk around with an exhaust system on FUCKING EVERYTHING. My laptop would be gas-powered, my cell, my fuckin' everything, including my legs. It would be epic!1111111
    >> Anonymous 04/23/10(Fri)15:44 No.711839
    >>711812
    >blame your government for shitty infrastructure planning

    Who cares, faggot? We all hate our government here.

    You're still wrong as wrong can be and it's faster to fucking drive.
    >> Anonymous 04/23/10(Fri)15:46 No.711861
    >>711812
    With the exception of Major cities, most place in the US don't have the things you listed, i.e. you have to drive. I live in a pretty populated are and I would still have to drive 5 miles to the nearest bus stop...and hop routes multiple times to reach my destination. Or, I could just drive another 10 miles and go straight to my destination, and then have the flexibility to, at ANY TIME I WANT, hop in said car and go FUCKING ANYWHERE. That is why ppl in the US drive cars. If the bus/train/whatever was more timely I would certainly use it. As it is, the only reason I would use public transport is to get to DC/Baltimore from where I live...and even that is an incontinent pain in the ass (o u wanna go to DC? Sure we make two runs, one there one back, thats it. Miss it and you get to rent a room for the night! Jokes on you fuck head!)
    >> Anonymous 04/23/10(Fri)15:47 No.711871
    >>711834
    >Infrastructure may be shitty, but that's not the problem. It's big. Too big
    yes, low density urban areas are another problem. you can blame post-war planners...
    i guess there's no way to fix that other than some well placed nukes...
    >> Anonymous 04/23/10(Fri)15:48 No.711872
    >>711834
    >I'm talking about cities like the ones I listed above, where the expanse of the city is just too wide to warrant public transit, but that very wideness makes it impossible to nagivate on foot or bicycle

    THIS.

    I live in Springfield, Missouri, faggots. It's a city of only 150,000--not THAT big.

    AND IT'S 73 FUCKING SQUARE MILES BIG.
    >> Anonymous 04/23/10(Fri)16:13 No.712082
    >>711861
    >HURRR i use car because public transport sucks
    that's the fucking point. make your public transport not suck, and you don't need a car.
    >> Anonymous 04/23/10(Fri)16:16 No.712103
    >>712082

    And the point is that in small countries like those in the EU, this is feasible. In the United States, it's not.
    >> Anonymous 04/23/10(Fri)16:29 No.712206
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    >>712103
    it is feasible, if you treat dense metropolitan areas as separate countries
    >> Anonymous 04/23/10(Fri)16:32 No.712239
    >>712206

    Goddamn you people are stupid.

    No, fucker, it's not. Look at the map you just posted. Look at the population centers and how big around they are at the base.

    We cannot put a massive interconnected transit system throughout the entire base of everyone of those public centers. It's not feasible. It's not even close to feasible.

    tl;dr You're a stupid fuck and I'm mad.
    >> Anonymous 04/23/10(Fri)16:34 No.712259
    >>712239
    Do you have a better idea then?
    >> Anonymous 04/23/10(Fri)16:36 No.712275
    >>712259

    Yes. They're called automobiles and perhaps you have heard of them.

    We just need to figure out how to make them run on something else before the oil runs out and--VOILA--problem solved, bitches.
    >> Anonymous 04/23/10(Fri)16:37 No.712287
    >>712259

    I'm not that guy, but I have a better idea. Drive cars. Make cars more efficient. Eventually phase out the internal combustion engine with something more energy efficient. If that doesn't exist, or we're too dumb to figure it out, then we'll just have to either get used to bicycling cross-country, or die. Possibly both.
    >> Anonymous 04/23/10(Fri)16:41 No.712325
    >>712287

    You know, you'd think as anti-oil as the pussy libfags are around here, that they'd want us to just go ahead and use all the shit up. Can't pollute with it anymore if there isn't any left, AMIRITE?
    >> Anonymous 04/23/10(Fri)16:43 No.712352
    >>712239
    >It's not feasible
    you already have the roads. just put some fucking buses on them.
    >>712275
    >problem solved, bitches.
    number of cars on the road grows exponentially. enjoy your traffic jams
    >> Anonymous 04/23/10(Fri)16:44 No.712357
    >>712325

    I'm anti-oil. I want us to get off of oil ASAP, so that we can take what we have remaining, already drilled, and put it into reserves. In the case of an energy crisis, we could have a backup.

    Burning it all up isn't very feasible.
    >> Anonymous 04/23/10(Fri)16:45 No.712369
    >>712352
    >you already have the roads. just put some fucking buses on them.
    >I think this is feasible
    >number of cars on the road grows exponentially. enjoy your traffic jams
    >I think this is what happens because I am completely ignorant of the United States

    >BECAUSE I'M REALLY FUCKING STUPID GUISE
    >> Anonymous 04/23/10(Fri)16:48 No.712397
    >>712352

    Buses do not work. Not only do they end up being more expensive than the equivalent distance travelled by car, they force you to adhere to their schedules which, as you note from our plethora of urban centers, will not always coincide with one another.

    When I bussed across the country and Canada, I sat through 12 hour layovers frequently. Sometimes, I had to get a hotel and just wait for Greyhound to call my room, to tell me that enough people had showed up and that they could afford to run a bus to where I was going. These buses often had five to ten people riding them.

    If there was going to be an inter-city transit system, it would have to be rail, and even then the logistical nightmare which would be created has no solution.

    Japan, sure. France, why not. Britain, hell yes. But in the United States, China, and Russia, inter-city transit is unfeasible.
    >> Anonymous 04/23/10(Fri)17:31 No.712937
    The thing is mass transit only works in the large cities, and not very well. It doesn't help the millions that don't live in those large urban areas. And that is something libtards don't understand as most libtards live in those urban areas. So it's more of a case that they want every one else to pay for their transportation just like they do their health care.

    The prefect example of self serving.



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