Can you bring me back a burrito?

Why do you hate single payer?

>>685233

>implying i'm somewhere near you with access to burritos...

next!

do you think the protests will change anything?

You do realize nobody will take you seriously, right?

Do your think your party would've been more effective if it hadn't been entirely invaded by conservatives?

At the start, there were people of all ideologies there. Very few remain.

>Non retarded Tea Party Patriot

i'm not sure which is more contradicting, non retarded tea partyer or a tea party patriot

Why do you hate freedom?

capitalism and freedom party.

>>non retarded
>>tea party
0/10 all teabaggers are retards

>>685238
I dislike a single payer system because that eliminates competition. When you only have one huge government agency to choose from, you lack vital leverage against a possibly under performing system. There are major problems within the healthcare system, but I don't think a single payer system is the answer.

That being said, I would accept that system if it became a Right through amending the US Constitution. Then it's a legitimate "right", however this will never happen because healthcare isn't a right, so we need to focus on cultural changes within America.

How does it feel to be a puppet for the neocon theocrats, and to be associated with masses of paranoid schizophrenics and racists?

>>685281
This isn't trolling
the tea party as a whole is exactly this, even if you may not be, OP

>>685279

How does it feel knowing your party dismisses healthcare as a right when several other countries acknowledge that it is?

You know, "third-world, freedom hating" countries, that actually recognize their citizens deserve to be healthy without risk of financial ruin?

>>685245

No, these protests won't change anything because

1) most of these protesters are idiots
2) most of these protesters are pussies (they get permits to protest lol)
3) republicans will pretend to change, but in reality remain progressive

The only thing that may change from the protests is the rise of Libertarians in local/state governments, where they have a chance to beat the machine.

Scott Brown has shown National politics hasn't changed...

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>>685251

Hopefully my answers will allow them to understand a rational person's view that doesn't line up with them...

>>685295
>Implying a majority of tea partyers understand the concept of libertarianism beyond "HURRR NO GOVT NO TAXES I KEEP $$$"

>>685294
It's called the pursuit of happiness.

Live it, love it. Pursue it.

>Claim to be the fighters for freedom
>Want to ban things (drug use, gay marriage, polygamy etc)

How does it feel to know that you are aligning yourself with a party that is significantly hurting the chance of your views being pursued in politics simply because most members are fucking insane?

>>685317
>>As if any of the examples are beneficial to a society as a whole.

>>685279
>implying you don't have to participate in government so as to fix government
>implying democratization shouldn't be applied so as to make governmental official accountable to the people

>>685294

Taxpayers eventually pay for the healthcare, and become responsible for pulling the weights for freeloaders.

>>685253


Yes, since Libertarians and Constitutionalists have lost control and been invaded by neocons, this is pretty much just a puppet show... Proof can be found in the last DC protest before the tax day one.... The group behind it was backed by Steve Forbes and an ex speaker of the house (r) if I remember correctly...

The grassroots is still there and strong, but the conservative army's voice is much louder... Hence, you don't hear a lot of talk about non-interventionism, anti-patriot act, individual freedom, etc....

To the OP:

Who was the last good president of the US?

>>685325
If you say so, it's still restrictions on freedoms.

>>685281

The problem is 3%-10% of tea party people actually GET it... They understand individual freedoms, they understand how our involvement in foreign affairs creates blowback, etc, etc.

What we could not control is the GOP machine sweeping the movement/revolution into their control...

We are kind of stuck now until the next important political cycle.. People like Kokesh, Schiff and Rand Paul have potential to retake that power from the GOP machine...

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>>685335
Liberty isn't important guys, we just need to hurry up and get rid of that pesky department of education. Also, no taxes for the rich!

>>685335

Do you think it would be possible for you to sue the Republican Party and Fox News for copyright infringement of the Tea Party?

>>685294

What other right forces you to receive financial gain in order to gain access to that right? What other right is provided to you? A right means the government can infringe on whatever is protected. Speech, voting, trial by jury etc.

However, like I said before, if we as a nation accept healthcare as a right, then it must be amended into the Constitution, not just by passing a law. A law isn't a right, it's forcing you to submit to rules and regulations.

See the difference?

Again a cultural revolution of brotherhood and community must be swept through our nation or our nation will no longer be...

>>685309

they don't and we are striving day to day to change that. Libertarians have been part of this movement for a long time and we have successfully shown a bunch of neocon faggots the truth about the GOP

>a cultural revolution of brotherhood and community must be swept through our nation or our nation will no longer be...

Civic-minded teabaggers? I'm fucking shocked.

>>685324

We might not be able to "unplug" everyone, but if we can "unplug" as many as we can, isn't that worth it?

With Kokesh, Peter Schiff and Rand Paul enjoying some of the success, I think you can see it still has merit. Even if the neocons control most of the sheep now.....

Why did Tea Party "Patriots" call themselves Teabaggers in the beginning?

Why do you think Obama is a socialist? Socialistfag here, Hes definitely not one of ours.

Ever since Sarah Palin took control of the Tea Partiers, can you give me one good reason why it should be considered anything but a Republican movement?

Why do Tea Partiers often accuse Obama of doing nothing in one breath, and in the next accuse him of ruining the country?

Just a few I can think of off the top of my head.

>>685424
Why are Teabaggers worse at answering questions than Bill O' Reilly

>>685355

The last good president? Man, that's a hard one...

Truth be told, they ALL had their faults. All abused their power to some extent.

I would say though Andrew Jackson due to his opposition to a national bank.... and we all know how well the Fed has worked out....

>>685355

George W. Bush

>>685378

No, although we may have to separate from them to distinguish from angry neocons and true liberty patriots...

>>685453
What about FDR?

>>685412

Charity is the only thing that will keep a big bloated government off of everyone's backs...

The problem is we've been pushed apart by both political parties in order to divide and conquer....

Dubya admin's wars cost hundreds of billions. Did you support?

>>685504
They cost a lot more than that.

>>685424

Obama isn't a socialist, he's a corporatist... Just like Bush, etc...

Only sheeple call him a socialist...

It has a republican mouthpiece, but the grassroots does have some

>>685450

the news always puts the dumbest people on the air... doesn't matter if they are in the ghetto, a trailer park or rich ignorant people....
...

>>685482

FDR killed millions of people and a good portion of those burned to death in Japan due to firebombing..

He also enacted many social programs that are failing yet have created a class of people born into them and rely on them because that is the norm...

so yeah, he was a horrible president...

>>685570
obama is definitly a socialist. he is using corporations to implement socialism. but that is different from corporatism.

>>685504

absolutely not...

a case could be made for going to war against afghanistan, but any true patriot would tell you our intervention in foreign affairs results in inevitable blowback...

if any country meddled in our affairs the way we have with other countries, we'd be as fanatical as them...

pull the troops out, close the bases overseas, end foreign military aid and give a speech to the UN saying "we are no longer the world's police, so learn to behave"

>>685588
>FDR killed millions of people
Stopped reading there.

Are you seriously saying that WWII makes FDR a bad president?

>>685595

then in your definition, that's fascism, not socialism....

>>685613
he brought us into it. pissed off germany and japan on purpose.

>>685613

How does killing millions of people NOT make you a bad president?

Is it justifiable to firebomb and level whole cities regardless of civilians living there?

Your value of human life differs then mine I guess...

>>685634

Ah, the uber-pacifist troll. Guaranteed replies.

9/10

>>685634

Hey, they started it.

>>685588
FDR's first term single handedly brought the US out of the Great Depression.

>>685618

no, fascism is a specific form of socialism. obama is not a fascist, he is simply a socialist using whatever means is the most effective to gain control of capital.

>the protests wont change anything!

Except it's on the news here in Europe and even Obama talks about it from time to time, it's getting views and people are having their voices heard.

Ergo, it's doing something.

At least it's doing more then longhair violent anti-war protests.

Historically, Killing civilians was how wars were fought.

>>685672
It's showing the rest of America exactly how big of a joke the GOP truly is.

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What about Eisenhower? What about the older Roosevelt?

>>685647

you don't have to be an uber-pacifist to see this as inhumane as hitler's death marches...

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>>685665
LOL

troll detected

>>685628
And you're saying that both we, and the world at large, would have been better off if we had stayed out of it?

>>685656

through smoke and mirrors... an argument can be made that we are still dealing with the depression thanks to his social services that were enacted during his terms...

>>685251
If they didn't take us seriously, They wouldn't spend so much time attacking us.

>>685608
Impressed.
Sucks so many idiots have hijacked the movement as a sole excuse to attack because their candidate lost the election.

>>685417

Aren't you worried about the backlash the unplugging will cause among the party? I've already heard of a lot of infighting already among the groups

My other question is this: Why did the Tea Party allow the republicans to take over or didn't refuse to do that convention where Tom Tancredo's speech damaged your reputation?

>>685709

Tea Party is pretty well split down the middle between Palin supporters and Paul supporters. Neocons vs. Right Libertarians. This confrontation within the GOP has been a long time coming.

>>685608
>Implying the world would behave if US military might didn't keep its ass in place.

>>685722

infighting within groups is important... It means we still are fighting the GOP machine in those groups...

the problem is with the inflation of attention the movement received. If you remember some of the first protests they were very much grass roots - it started with the chicago exchange guy..

the problem is the GOP came in, quietly, and herded most of the sheep in one direction. Steve Forbes being one of the main culprits in this matter.. Fuck his flat tax....

>>685736

nope, I was implying if they didn't behave, we wouldn't rescue them....

>>685731
this is what scares me. if palin wins that battle, that shockwave is going to travel up into the actual republican party.

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not well split... the palins and neocons outweigh libertarian minded individuals easily...

>>685771

what about them? I answered with Andrew Jackson due to his fight against the National Bank and his ability to see how that could be dangerous. He was right and we are paying for it now...

Why do you hate the government when it's made this country what it is today?


Oh wait... you only hate the government because a white republican isn't running it. Agree/Disagree?

>>685773
you havent been following the news lately have you?

>>685765
And who do you think the main target of a rogue nation is going to be if America doesn't step in to stop it?

You see, the world is totally interconnected nowadays. There are no such things as isolated affairs any more. America will get dragged into it, whether it likes it or not.

>>685608

I agree with you man. Two trillion dollars spent on the war on terror, but no tea party for THAT.

>>685790
Sorry Tim, dishonestly screaming "racist!" as the universal retort just doesnt work anymore.

:(

>>685790

I guess I'll feed this troll...

Do you read any of the answers I have given before?

Government has never made this country great.

It's the freedom that our Government is supposed to protect which makes our country great...

That freedom is a far cry from what we have now in a quasi-fascist-delusional-democracy.

Republicans and Democrats are complicit in the corruption that is rampant in all levels of government..

The figure head doesn't matter, it's just a slight of hand movement

>>685813

That may be how it seems on the surface, but that's not what I mean. Someone not like them who doesn't believe what they believe is running the country. THAT is what they hate. Not his color, not his heritage, but someone who's not GOP.

>>685793


Yes I have and Paul supporters have always been strong in grassroots efforts... but remember Mitt Romney also won a major straw poll as well and he's a statist....

>>685804
you don't get american isolationism. it's not that we think the world will act all nice, it's that we don't give a shit when you blow eachother up

see: the majority of wwi. gj europe.

>>685827
>>Government has never made this country great.

guess that whole constitution thing doesn't amount to much then, does it?

>>685837
statistically speaking within the tp movement, palin and paul are outstripping romney, with palin just a hair above paul.

>>685835
*facepalm*

You seem just as much a part of this fuckwitted party based tribalism as you accuse people of being.

>>685845
>implying a document = the entire government

I'm Eurotrash and even I know this shit better then you.

You are a fucking idiot, case closed.

>>685804

Do you also believe in the boogeyman???

If you were Iran and you saw the US invade Afghanistan and Iraq without little hesitation and have occupied sections of the middle east for decades, wouldn't you want a deterrent as well?

Let Iranians take their country back, let us, as citizens, teach them about freedom and why is good. Let them make the choice. We tried nation building in Iran once already... we suck at it...

>>685847

And what if I am? If ever there was proof there's a great divide between the let and right, it's these modern times.

>>685870
hey. we're all americans here, not hyphenated americans.. its assholes like YOU that keep driving this country into the fucking ground.

>>685845

please read the rest of my statement and if you still fail at comprehending then please let me know.. thanks troll!
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>>685847
that wasn't me the OP, sorry I'm sure tripfagging would make this easier

>>685870
>And what if I am?

Because it means you are more likely to follow "your" party just because, instead of going for what you think works best.

Also, you make this fuckwitted implication that anybody who doesnt agree with your banal worldview must be in the GOP.

What are you doing to keep Sarah Palin and the Neo-cons from hijacking your movement?

>>685230
Why isn't your party more focused on items related to reforms related to the mechanics of government such as:
- An independent commission to draw political districts.
- Presendential Election by Popular Vote
- Campaign finance reform
- Term limits for both houses of congress.

These seem like narrow platform measures that could receive widespread support outside the Tea Party while appealing to the minimalist government attitudes within the party.

>>685891

obviously they have a lot of steam behind them, so it's a hard battle and we aren't doing well to stop it...

What we can do though is hope to pull more individuals away from the herd and expose the GOP as well as Democrats for their corruption...

The problem is we don't get help from the Left. They know their party is just as corrupt but no one is working together to change our system..

Ballot access is worse then communist russia in most states, it's ridiculous.

non major parties can't get access to debates for the most important position in our country.... yet no one cares..

when the system is rigged, you have to ask yourself, what are you doing to help change things?

>>685922
the country lost its chance for finance reform in 2000 when mccain lost the nomination.

republicans tried to put in term limits during the clinton years but the democrats blocked it.

>>685887

I don't vote, just so you know. I hate jury duty. So you're totally right about my party.

>>685922

why isn't the left concerned about redistricting? that's because both machines are corrupt... I don't see any left groups reaching out to right groups to combat this issue... hence we need a cultural revolution. if we can't see our neighbor anything more than being on the other team, we ARE going to fail!

Presidential election by popular vote wouldn't be something I would want and neither should you. Majorities usually rule over the minorities. You could have rednecks and the christian right start pumping out babies so that in 18 years, your vote and state has no fighting chance...

the campaign finance reform and term limits aren't sexy enough to be put on TV... have you been to a tea party before? You might be surprised some of the things we do talk about...

Most of this is due to the GOP entanglement that is currently going on...

As a patriot, do you hold American lives to have more value than those of citizens of other nations?

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>>685887

seriously, just stop talking to him. he'll go back to /b/ in time.

>>686013

No, hence my issue with the firebombing in WW2 and the blatant under reporting of history in regards to our civilian deaths and damage in that time period.

I see other citizens in other countries as people that collectively agree in differences in government. I.e. I wouldn't have problems with a socialist or communist government if their citizens freely choose that type of governance..

>>686056

So you would be against the United States involvement in Vietnam?

>>685754

Isn't it a waste of energy to fight among yourselves though, rather than present a united front people can take seriously?

Or at least pointing out the misspelling on signs to your fellow members.

Are you religious or not? (I'm wondering about your motivation)

>>686013

I view American lives to be more valuable than the lives of others in other nations. However, I also acknowledge that placing a "value" on life is always a subjective measurement and this does not justify violence to obtain a particular interest. The only moral use of violence is in self defense.

>>686088

Yes

>>686099

If most people in the tea part movement are retarded sheeple, then no, energy must be spent on waking these people up or showing them who they really are... statists

>>686121

Not religious, but I am spiritual. I don't follow an organized religion, but when I look at the stars I'm amazed how science and "God" are one of the same...

If "God" is all knowing, meaning knowledge, science, imo, brings us closer.

There is no new knowledge that we learn, it's always there, we just become able to see it...

>>686165

Considering how stubborn some of you are, I think the party would collaspe before you completely convince them they're wrong, or prevent the further corruption once the Rep figure out you're educating them.

Anyway, good luck I guess.

>>686194

but what are you doing about your party?

corruption isn't just in the GOP...

>>685839
You're misrepresenting my point. I never said that America doesn't try to stay out of conflicts. I said that despite its best efforts, it usually does end up getting involved.

>>685859
I never said that America should be rebuilding any countries. What I did say was that America should not relinquish its military might so easily. Believe it or not, having American military stationed around the world is probably the best deterrent civilization has in place.

>>686207

I'm Moderate.