>Obama is no different from Bush


WELL NO SHIT, SHERLOCK.


I'M LIBERAL AND EVEN I KNOW OBAMA IS A BLACK BUSH.

STOP REPEATING THIS SHIT OVER AND OVER.

in before tinfoil
in after duh

Wouldn't the conclusion to draw from this be that Obama isn't liberal after all, or at least not liberal enough?

obama is bush with some degree of competence that people like

can't really argue with op honestly

LOL LIBERALS

But obama black bush is white so thats where they are different.

Thats why i support obama

NEWSFLASH: All political parties do pretty much the same fucking thing regardless of their agendas or promises.

More at 11, Tom.

it's just another political move to rip apart the Republican party and this shit's working hardcore.

Spending Freeze, Offshore drilling, and now killing this terrorist.
All things die hard conservatives froth at the mouth over and now are conflicted because a black guy is accomplishing their goals.

It's really hilarious to see liberals denounce Obama for being a black Bush and then go back to worshipping him in another thread.

Keep it classy you libfags.

This just in, a large majority of us have lost faith in Obama and regret voting for him but he'd still be better than McCain.

He didn't start any wars. And he has at least attempted to finish the ones we are in from the last presidency. Anyone that expected him to just pull out of the Middle East is a damned retard.

Hes more than different enough for me.

>>571752
>implying the OP wasn't trying to troll

Liberal here. I agree, OP. Lots of liberals don't like Obama for all the same reasons, dude. Because he's not that liberal. Healthcare reform is the only thing he's really done different that I can think of. But really, a President who does the same shit Bush does but isn't a retard and got through decent healthcare reform is better than regular ol' Bush. Slightly better, but better nonetheless.

>>571760
This brings up an interesting issue. Should I vote for a third party candidate who's actually good but isn't going to win or should I vote for the guy who will fuck me over less who actually could win?

>>571788
In the end he even failed with the health care when it passed. Do you know all the bullshit reforms and the forcing? We're better off not having it at all in the end. It's bullshit.

>>571799
>implying taxation is theft

>>571799
Democrats steal more money.

"r is replaced by d."

I don't get it...

>>571811
it is

this is where you retards really get me.

you say obama is no better than bush, then say "well at least he was better than mccain". yeah, just like how a turd with lipstick is better to kiss than a turd with no lipstick.

you stupid shits need to get over this desire to vote for the lesser of evils. go out and vote for a 3rd party candidate. you lefties have nader and the rest of us can vote libertarian/consitutional party or w/e. even if they dont win, having a large part of the population vote for someone other than dem/rep will scare the shit out of this fatcats and they will scramble to get them back. that will mean less corruption since the only thing a politician wants more than money from lobbiests is votes from his district.

now stop bitching, get out, and actually do something instead of being a lazy turd who votes for a party than doesnt even respresent them. AND YOU WONDER WHY AMERICA IS GOING DOWN THE SHITTER.... my gawd.

I remember when Obama was like. "I was never the least likely Candidate."

And when he blew off some kid asking him what his connections to the Council on Foreign Relations was and their plans for a North American Union.

"Wat is North Amerikan Union lolz? ur stupid tinfoil."

All the while I knew he was in the same cookie basket as Bush, Cheney, and McCain. Given their advisers where both brothers of the father of the trilateral commission.

None of this is tinfoil as you can look it up on their websites, names and connections are all there.

Shadow government, etc etc... Enjoy being slaves.

>>571778
>nigga u dumb

>>571696
most liberals dont like obama now.

but thats way better than having failin palin in the white house.

>>571854
meh don't get too dramatic about it
it's just the fact that the same people have been in government for decades, and they just all play musical chairs
the elected people come and go but the advisers are always conveniently close by
there's nothing hidden about it

>>571848
Liberal here, and I strongly disagree with everything you have to say in any thread that I bother to read your posts.

However I would vote for any 3rd party that has a reasonable chance of winning. Sane people on the Left and Right should combine forces to defeat the 2 party system, as any alternative is better realistically.

>>571848
yes, you lead the parade champ! change America! Honestly, be that naive and foolish.

You are one of the worst tripfags, really.

>>571897
>most liberals dont like obama now
never change /new/

>>571902
Oh and thats not to say that I voted Obama, I would never vote lesser of 2 evils. But I'm glad he won, if nothing else at least he has charisma which actually matters more then you would think, stupidly enough.

>>571848
Too bad third parties are rigged to lose by our election system.

It's better to vote for people in the parties that aren't corrupt douchbags like Kucinich. They are there, you just have to look for them.

No need to go full retard and vote for 3rd parties that will guarantee splitting up the votes and letting retards like Bush into office (Thanks Nader!).

>>571914
ive made donations to my local libertarian state party and help get their message out trhough fundraisers and passing out fliers. ive never voted for republicans or dems.

what have you done besides keep voting for politicians that rape your liberties and pocket books just b/c one of them has a D instead of an R.

i understand it takes more than talk to get something done but one person alone cant bring this system down. people need to wake up

>>571944
If anyone within the two party system was really that much better, the leaders would never let them be the front runner. However that is much more likely to happen then a 3rd party winning. The funny thing is that a majority of the Democrats and now Republicans too have lost faith in their party, yet vote it to keep the other out. As long as they can keep us fighting each other, no change will happen.

>>571696
>Vote libertarian

You lost me there.

>>571944
Thats the whole point of this thread. Bush WAS a retard but out country would not be better off if a Democrat was in there, I fucking guarantee it. Voting 3rd party is your only option.

>>572025
Gore would have been better than Bush.

No Tax Cuts.

No Iraq.

Maybe Afghanistan.

No massive deficits.

And no anti-science pro-christfag shit either.

>>572055
>Gore would have been better than Bush.

>No Iraq.

hahahahahaha, implying Democrats aren't warmongers

"The administration then launched a four-day bombing campaign named Operation Desert Fox, lasting from December 16 to December 19, 1998. For the last two years of Clinton's presidency U.S. aircraft routinely attacked hostile Iraqi anti-air installations inside the Iraqi no-fly zones."

It was a matter of time, our leaders wanted Saddam out and it was going to happen.

best case scenario our deficit would have been slightly less under Gore.

>>571696
Also this is part of the problem, why is this thread aimed at Liberals and Obama. Get your Libertarian friends to stop jacking off Republicans as well if you expect change.

Liberals are better than Conservatives because Conservatives still think the election of George W. Bush was a good thing

If either party actually solved any issues then they would have nothing to run a campaign on.

Listen republicans, you're gay.

Balls in the mouth under a moustache gay.

>>571848
Normally I hate you but this is truth.

Until the U.S as a whole gets over the idea that only one of the two major parties can win this is going to keep happening.

>>571944
This attitude is what keeps the two party system in place.

Stop being a defeatist.

>>572219
>Stop being a defeatist.

i take it you support the iraq war?

>>572199

Not that it will ever happen, There has been a two party system since election 1

Its easier on your political thought process, it becomes an "us vs them", when you have more parties it requires actual thinking on the part of the electorate.

>>572228
european countries have multiple parties but they still have the same problem america does with stupid and corrupt politicians. its political apathy thats the problem

>>572246
admittedly having more then 2 partys doesn't magically fix everything but it would make politicians slightly more accountable for their actions when people have more options. The main problem is that in America you could literally have a fundamental Christian Political party that would win every election in a 3 party system. We are that retarded.

Listen cum-guzzlers, Republicans are closet homosexuals.

>>572300
Run with a black woman. That should get you 72% of the votes right there... for the same exact reason you state. Who people vote for has almost nothing to do with their actual 'politics' as opposed to whatever image they are presenting.

So, I guess in a way, multiple party systems wouldn't accomplish shit. People would still vote on media and 'gut' feeling.

>Listen Liberals, Obama is no different from Bush
>Listen Liberals, ALL POLITICIANS ENTIRELY REGARDLESS OF PARTY ARE OWNED BY CORPORATIONS
Fixed it for you.

>listen to my unique opinions of politicians! Aren't I edgy for not trusting them?!

>>572328
PFFT! Yeah, riiiight. Listen closet-fag, there is NO-WAY Obama should have won that election.

You know a couple reasons why he did?

Bush & Cheney for one, and the ENTIRE REPUBLICAN PARTY acting like a bunch of "special-education" students with their creationism and tinfoil-hat conspiracy shit for the second.

>>572328
makes me feel like the only reasonable course of action is to take up politics, get the corporations and party leaders to trust me, get in a place of power and then proceed to troll them. Perhaps the greatest troll of all time? brb law school, or maybe a few years of military service first.

>ITT
Proof Japanese political factions are superior.
Learn2functionalgovernment

>Bush "stays the course" and it becomes a punchline
>Obama moves the goalposts on Gulf War 2 repeatedly and people actually defend it as "finishing the fight"

Never change, fanboys, never change

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>>572382
He didn't just 'win' the election, closet butt buddy, he won his position as governor, the primaries, and the election.

And I'm telling you, like all things how this country wortks, that he was voted in on his image. More specifically, he wasn't an old white guy and the whole 'change' shtick.

It wasn't whatever the fuck the Republicans were doing that made them lose the election (in fact, I really can't remember them on the media save for the whole Sarah Palin bullshit), but how much better the Obama image was than the McCain image.

And I'm flat out telling you: You put on a minority, you are going to win. Fuck, if Republicans put on Powell I promise you that he would win if Obama doesn't run again. ...and no one knows shit about him beyond his Bush years. ...and as bad as Bush is, I fucking promise you that his 'image' is going to be 'different' than Bush's despite being of the same exact fucking party.

You remember 2004 when McCain ALMOST RAN AS THE DEMOCRAT VP?

>>572409
>doesn't understand the difference between starting wars and finishing what a previous administration started

Presidents don't change. They follow the money.

You need publicity to be president. Publicity costs shitloads of money. Thus, only those with shitloads of money will get the president they want, after sponsoring ALL sides they accept.

This means that only 2 people ever will get to the spotlight of presidential election, and they're both sponsored and tied to the same guys.

>>572443
why would you want to try and finish a war that has no benefit to you?

just get the fuck out of there all ready. so what if iraq and afghanistan turn into hell holes, they dont want us there and we dont want to be there. stop defending stupid policies just b/c your obama supports them. its partisan bullshit and makes you no better than bush&co.

>>572473
The country got fucked up because of us, and now we have to stay there until its stable. Its not like its going to be all smiles and sunshine if we leave. They will be even worse off than they are now. Its called being responsible jackass. Its not about what people want.

>>572491

So where were you when Bush was saying all the shit you were saying now?

>>572494
Bush was the one that (stupidly) invaded in the first place.

If the US were to cut and run, it would just show that the US really is cowardly and the TERRISTS would win more than they already have.

>>572491

remember all the "Pottery Barn" shit that was on the news years and years ago?
collin powell ring a bell somewhere in there with it?
something about "you break it, you buy it"?
op's pic is so right it's fucking sad

>>572491
you might have a point if they wanted us to stay and clean up the mess.

BUT THEY DONT. they want the americans to get out. they want to fix their problems BY THEMSELVES.

we were an unwelcome guest when we invaded. lets not continue being an unwelcome guest who keeps stumbling and making the mess bigger trying to fix the smaller mess we made.

lets respect the will of the iraqi people.

>>572505
>>572491
Fuck do you even realize that it will be a decade long commitment, if not longer, to actually stabilize that region? Its a fucking no win situation and the sooner we leave the better. FUCK nation building, even if you somehow feel obliged to do it.

>>572494
I was saying the same shit I am saying now. I opposed the wars from the get go and still do. Its my main issue with Bush in fact. But since we already totally fucked their country's up, we need to stick around until they aren't fucking warzones anymore.

Believe it or not, every person against Bush and is okay with Obama is not some token liberal you came up with in your mind.

>>572537
We ARE obliged to do it! You don't destroy a country and take off because its inconvenient to stick around. Of course its fucking inconvenient. Thats what fucking war is. Its a fucking shitbag thing that should only be a last resort. Remember that next time America wants to go to war with some third world shithole. War isn't just the 6 days it takes to destroy their government.

>>572516
They don't want Americans out. Some of their politicians say they do for the sake of popularity, but their governments couldn't request enough aid. And what the hell does the normal citizen think will happen if American takes off? Do they think everything will be smiles and sunshine?

fuck people perpetrating this lie that we can't leave
that we somehow need to stay there for 20 years or something
you fucking retards are helping to bleed the us dry

>>572566
even when the people of the country you just invaded WANT YOU TO LEAVE? are you people that fucking stupid?

if you break something in someone's house, it is polite to offer to clean it up. but if the master of the house says "NO GET OUT YOU'VE DONE ENOUGH DAMAGE, ILL FIX THIS MYSELF", what do you do? you get out cuz its THEIR HOUSE and THEY DONT WANT YOU THERE.

staying makes everything worse, they hate you more, you probably wont help much with the cleaning and make shit worse, and you wasted time trying to clean up something that you didnt have to.

you warmongering apologist need to realize that you dont have the moral high ground.

>>572537
Why fucking invade in the first place?

>>572574
then why is there a popular armed resistance and why polls consistently show the iraqis dont want american troops to stay.

riddle me that.

Because the Americans brought chaos and misery to their country?

I love dat flower girl.

>>572586
why indeed.

>>572595
We are mostly out of Iraq, and the problems they have aren't magically disappearing. I'll repeat what I said before, you don't go to war with a country, destroy their infrastructure and government, and then take off the second they are unhappy with you. No shit they are unhappy with you, you fucking invaded their country.

>>572634

>Implying Iraq had infrastructure before

Yeah sure bro
Keep drinking that Obama Kool-Aid
"B-b-but at least he didn't START the war!"

>>572634
okay, so its stay in the country even if it is against the will of the iraqis. gotcha

no wonder they try to kill us.

>>572642
Iraq was one of the most developed states in the Middle East

every politician is no different from bush.

big deal

>>571800

If you think you're one vote is insignificant, it doesn't matter who you vote for so you might as well vote for who you want.

If you think you must vote for a candidate because if everyone voted for someone else, then the candidate would lose, then you are worse than the people who don't vote at all.

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>>572647
Yeah. You make something take bad tasting medicine because you know its going to be good for them in the long run. It would be nothing but irresponsible to take off now.

>>572687
its been over 7 years since we invaded. we are in the long run right now.

THEY STILL DONT WANT US THERE.

>>572670
>you're

>>572710
give us another 20 years! its REALLY bad medicine in this case, and we have to kill off all the nonbelievers who wont take the medicine. and their children. and anyone who is angry that we killed their friend/neighbor. But once all those people are dead, give if a few more years of building and the medicine might work if we are lucky.

>implying all liberals want obama's long black cock in their mouth