hahaha, fuckin saved

>>550879
arabs don't eat cheesecake so not funny zero slash ten and sage go to hell

Too bad most of the peaceful Muslims have been brutally murdered by the fanatics.

>Peaceful Muslim

The only thing that's a larger contradiction than a Christopagn.

>>550887

What America really believes.

Peaceful Muslims lend credibility to the extremists by lending credibility to religion itself; the same goes for Christians, all religion is a cancer and moderates can be blamed for enabling the whackos.

>>550899

You mean all of those Christians with Christmas trees and who play with little fertility symbol toys to celebrate the central holiday (which happens to be etymologically rooted in one of the Near East's most ancient pagan festivals) of their religion?

>>550908
>what /stormfag/ actually believes

fixed that for ya bra

>>550924
You have no idea what you're talking about.

>>550955
wha? what the?eh...

that doesn't even make sense. you think 911 is universal emergency number?

sweet allah on the cross these are bad.

>>550976

Brilliant argument! You sure showed me!

>>550980
Consider him American in that particular pic. Not a big deal.

>this thread

>>550976

Actually he does, and derp-a-derp contradicting him with no basis for your knee jerk 'argument' makes you look like a retard.

Buffers are enablers. They support the mechanism (ie religion) by which a vocally insane minority spread and grow their mass delusion and advance their agenda. "Peaceful Muslims" might disown violence, but it's like a libertarian saying he also opposed bush and corporate welfare and corporate tax dodging in the Cayman Islands but only showing up to protest vital healthcare reform.

They're subscribing to a religion of supposed peace and mercy, that only ever actually practices violence and intolerance. It's easy to SAY you stand for one thing, but it's what is actually put into PRACTICE that counts.

That goes for Christians who bastardize Jesus's name, and claim to belong to a loving religion and following in Jesus's example but then belonging to an ideology of hatred and cruelty that manipulates, lies, and destroys in Christ's name. Are these people getting into heaven? Not a chance, and they don't know they're wrong so they'll never ask forgiveness for their crimes.

>>551034
It isn't the enablers fault; a lot of them are grown up in the society and integrated into it and there is not enough of them to physically do something. Not to mention that your argument assumes the inherently bad thing is the religion as opposed to those who use it to achieve their means and so on.

>>551034
>They're subscribing to a religion of supposed peace and mercy, that only ever actually practices violence and intolerance.

really every muslim is violent?

>>551034
Hate the violent nutjob muslims because they're violent nutjobs. Love the peaceful stoic muslims because they're peaceful stoics. Ignore that both are muslims because religion is irrelevant.

>>551090
Well said, old bean!

>>551090
>Love the peaceful stoic muslims because they're peaceful stoics
Oh you. Islam isn't even a religion. It's totalitarian ideology Mohamed used as a warlord to unite his tribe and dominate the entire Arabian peninsula, ensuring that his home town of Mecca will be forever prosperous.

Seriously. Islam is just a combination of jewish beliefs along with arab paganism and moon god worship that Mohamed created for profit. He's the L. Ron Hubbard of the ancient world.

tits bump

>>551066

"Evil people do evil things. Good people do good things. For good people to do evil things, though, that takes religion."

Religion is the bad thing. It adorns itself in tradition and fuels itself with credulity so that those evil people can share in a self righteous mass delusion that convinces them that they have a supreme authority to tell others how they ought to live. Organized religion is a blight. If you believe in Satanic intervention, the lord of lies and deceit, as his very first move, would be to corrupt organized religion and he has done just that, hasn't he? The history of organized religion is a history of murder, intolerance, fascism, racism, slavery, suicide, malevolent disregard for humanity, war, famine, and death. The Abrahamic religions are a death cult.

Religion is supreme evil. Indocrination in evil from birth is not a valid excuse at your judgment. If you believe in an afterlife and a god, then you best believe he granted you a mind capable of reason with the expectation that you would not forsake its use. He didn't give you a brain and then demand that you not use it -- the latter is the job of religion.

>>551099
Nobody argues with this guy he's obviously a scholar and he studied Islam and its history extensively.

>>550908
please don't bunch me in with him

>>551095
Not as if it's rocket science, they teach that shit in Sesame Street.
>>551099
Yeah so what? It only becomes a problem when they start blowing up buildings and then you charge them with arson.

>>551149
Muslims can be as barbaric and primal as they want. As long they keep it in their own countries. I don't care if a woman gets stoned for making eye contact with a man. I don't care if she gets thrown in jail for being raped.

As long as they don't interfere with Western Civilization. We can continue buying their oil, and once their reserves dry up they can go back to the primitive Bedouin lifestyle of roaming the deserts endlessly. I really don't care what they do. As long it doesn't interfere with my interests.

Islam is a beautiful religion. As long as it stays in Muslim countries.

>>551316
>woman gets stoned for making eye contact with a man
what?
>Western Civilization
lol!
You don't seem like a scholar after all!

>>551333
Cool rebuttal bro. Just keep your bullshit in your theocratic Islamic paradises. It's better for both of us.

Fuck yeah, loved the ones yesterday

Mohamed was peaceful when he lived in mecca, but when he moved to Medina he started to write about war, or far right philosophy. What is so bad is that most Muslim scholars today teach that the Quran's later versus override the earlier versus of peace. The religion really is bad and there are hundreds of quotes from the writing in Medina that have been a destructive cancer on Islam and imo destroys it's credibility as being peaceful.

Everywhere they went, historically Muslims have been far more interested in forced conversion and conquest than peaceful coexistence.

>>551351
I'm just indicating errors in your message, there is no stoning punishment for making eye contact, in fact there is no punishment for that whatsoever. And anything that's remotely close to civilization died in the West at least four or five centuries ago.

We hope to establish theocratic states in here (though only one state would be great), but the fact is that there is none right now, Iran and SA come close though they both follow more or less deviant sects.

Muslims in action in our country:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YjjisbftZYg

>>551387
Sorry to disappoint you, but there are no pacifist verses in the Quran (or any other traditioan text for that matter). The verses that were subject to naskh according to the consensus are quite few. Different passages apply to different situations.

http://topdocumentaryfilms.com/islam-what-the-west-needs-to-know/

>>550928
no seriously. americans believe that

>>551441
>"love thy neighbor"? perhaps.

>When everybody is dead who doesn't accept Islam then there will be peace

what Muslims actually believe,
of course they can't stop killing each other off so we know this is bs

>>551449
Everybody should watch that film. Very educational, about the true Islam kept hidden from us.

>>551392
conquest, yes. Forced conversion, hardly.
And you, being an anti-emigration liberal (i.e. a "right winger"), should know that "peaceful coexistence is a myth. if two ideas share the same space, one eventually has to overrun the other. It's rather amusing how pacifist ideas only prevailed in the West when it already spread its ideas everywhere in the world.

Peaceful
Muslim

Choose one.

>>550924
THANKS, RICHARD DAWKINS!

>>551464
>love thy neighbor
>Different passages apply to different situations (my earlier post)

Anyone whose mind is not polluted by the modern confusion, should see contradiction between the verse urging for kindness toward different people (e.g. war prisoners) and those urging for warfare, either in the Quran or the bible or anywhere else.

Islam is essentially a war framework created by a 9th Century warlord. It is purposely violent.

>>551568
Are you samefag or is there just that much idiots out there? 9th century, really? Gives a lot of credibility to the rest of the message.

>>551591
he was right about everything but the century

>>551591
Islam is essentially a war framework created by a 6th Century warlord. It is purposely violent.

>>551676
This may seem like an ad hominem, but it's not. That mistake just reveals how very little he knows about the subject. Let's talk about you, would you say that you are well versed in Islam, its history, the Prophet etc?

>>551729

Muhammad was a warlord plain and simple. He personally chopped the heads off of 600-900 Jews. He was a mother fucker. His followers are even greater mother fuckers. I don't recall any other religious prophet being praised for slaughtering 'non-believers'.

trolls trooling trulls who tralal

>>551776
>praised for slaughtering 'non-believers
Not quite. David and Solomon also were engaged inwar against non-believers (why the quote marks), but they are certainly not prised as slaughterers of non-believers.
If you wish, the same can go for just about every American president, almost all of them were engaged in wars against non-believers (i.e. those who didn't believe in their ideas). hell, it apllies to the overwheming majority of leaders througout history.

>>551815
Except they didn't slaughter non-believers for being non-believers and wank over that fact

>>551392
christians too

>>551815
Continue...
So are those leader are remembered to be "mother fuckers"? Only by those with a very limited and quite confused prespective.

>>551833
>Except they didn't slaughter non-believers for being non-believers
Then for what?

>>551889

For progress

“Whoever changes his Islamic religion, kill him.” (Hadith Al Buhkari vol. 9:57)

Mohammed said, “I have been ordered to fight with the people till they say, none has the right to be worshipped but Allah” (Al Bukhari vol. 4:196).

Sura 5:51: “O you who believe! Take not the Jews and the Christians for your friends and protectors: they are but friends and protectors to each other. And he among you that turns to them for friendship is of them.” This friendship makes any Muslim a enemy of their own and worthy of death.

I barely had to look to find this. Muslims actually believe this crap, they think the words of Mohamed are the words of god. Why is Islam so evil?

8:59-60 “The infidels should not think that they can get away from us. Prepare against them whatever arms and weaponry you can muster so that you may terrorize them.”

With religious scripture like this it's no wonder there is so much terrorism in the Islamic faith.

>>552006
You mean fighting those who believe that time is cyclical in nature rather than linear and that ideas are not judged by how old or new they are but by authenticity and therefore don't believe in "progress"? Is that what you mean? It sounds like "slaughtering" non-believers to me!

>>552067
>>552059
>>552033
Who are you talking to? Do you have a specific question or remark?

>>552084
I didn't do the last one, but basically I'm directing it to anybody that thinks the religion is inherently one of peace. It's blatantly not.

>>552033
Talk about not being about peace. Befriending a non-Muslim is grounds for death.

>>552104
No one here is claiming Islam to be a pacifist religion, only those who do that are the confused ones by the modern Western ideas. There is time for war as there is time for peace, both externally and internally.
Would you like to add something?

>>552146
Well it's an outdated philosophy of life because the two dichotomies can't coexist. It's bipolar. You are either about peace or about war. Modern civilization is moving away from war slowly but surely. It's a new era of humanity where war is an exception and no longer the rule. A religion that imposes war as a way of life reflects the age it was written and is wrong in our era.

The religion is evil, wrong, and I'm for it's extermination.

>>552195
bullshit
there is no "new era"
war will continue to exist

>>552123
That's an inaccurate interpretation and translation. Obseve this verse from the third chapter:
Say: "O People of the Book! come to common terms as between us and you: That we worship none but Allah. that we associate no partners with him; that we erect not, from among ourselves, Lords and patrons other than Allah."

"Lord and patron" is a translation for the same term "awliya" which was tranxlated in the other verse as "friends".

>>552203
War isn't even war anymore. There are the terrorist that kill and terrorize civilians and the trained professionals with technology that obliterate them. Terrorist love death, democracy's that love life. As you can see it's not a battlefield any more. It's systematic eradication of anybody violent and not aligned with the 'new era' authorities. If you think things are still like they were in the 5th century then you are nuts.

>>552195
While the modern doctrine of humanist is indeed hostile to anything that would disturb the physicla welfare of the large population, the pacifist ideas only prevailed in the West when war was needed no more, i.e. when the modern western ideas conquered the world and destroyed anything that stood in it path. though, like you expressed in the last line, there's still an extermination operation going on to eliminate resistence pockets all over the world

RELIGION OF PIECE

>>552203
>war will continue to exist
Depends on what you would call a "war"
If you'd call those petty battles against 3rd World countries, insurgents and terrorists a war, then yeah, war will continue to exist.
War between 2 developed countries? Nah that time is over.

>>551068
Okay that was quite funny

>>552264
You couldn't be more wrong. If a techonologically capable state emerged that's submissive to the modern doctrines (e.g. a united Muslim state) it should expect hell.

>>552283
>>552283

>>552330
Is that you? Talk about a bad angle, yes?

posting in epic thread

I love the guy that invented these.

>>552363
Thank you
I'm the namefag here btw, I only namefag when it needs to.

>>552283
Dunno about that, especially the US-Military has no intention to fight a modern army, considering that the backbone of the US-forces are the horrible outdated Aircraft carrier (inb4 HURRDURR, they are).
Also the death toll would be a lot worse in a "real" war and the support from the population would plummet quite fast.

There's nothing wrong with a global capitalist hegemony, capitalism is about economic freedom, the only way you can influence someone is by trading with them and enticing them to do something.

You hippies can complain all you want about people moving to the cities to work in sweatshops and rainforests being cleared for farmland but none of this would be happening if real people (as in real working men with families to feed as opposed to spoiled effeminate deluded middle class hipsters 5000 miles away) didn't decide that this is better. Why can't you respect their life choices and decisions? Why are you so pathologically desperate to oppress them and keep them poor and impoverished?

There is nothing in capitalism that says you can't form a trade union or have the right to bear arms and form militias to safeguard liberty. Capitalism is the route to material prosperity, which tyrants will tells you is not important but in truth is fundamental to happiness because we are a part of the material world.

>>552379
I'm not thexpert on that, but all I'm saying is that the apparent inconveibality of war between two major forces is not due to "progress" or the reign of pacifism, but rather the fact that the world is now by large an intellectually heterogeneous place (which only happened for centuries time of war). If a froce emerged that breaks this (e.g. a Christian or Muslim theocracy), it would be war no doubt.

>>552379
You significantly underestimate the US military. It's a monstrously powerful beast. No other nation in the world remotely like it. If a real enemy would emerge I would feel sorry for them.

>>552598
:)

>Organized religion is a blight

this. Jesus hated organized religion for a reason, he knew that it would become a faction and then force itself on others for power and influence. He strongly believed that religion should be a personal matter

Kind of ironic for christians

I like peaceful Muslim. He makes me feel safe.

>>552681
What's even more ironic is that Christianity was meant for Jews only.

Middle East Before Islam: A place of progress and invention

Middle East After Islam: I think we all know how that turned out...

Too bad Peaceful Muslim is fictional.

>>552712
0/10

Islamic scholars developed the scientific advancements.

>>552712

>>552732
lol no

Thanks muslims for this:
0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9

>>552743
>implying Islam is older than numerical systems

>>552712

don't worry they could steal all the christian/zoroastrian science anyway

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S-LMK8Ir968

>>552681
Great point, the story of Jesus teachings have never been put into practice.. although you know Jesus never existed right? I think they just personified the Essen movement with a figure like they did for Moses and tons of other faiths. It all actually aligns more with the zodiac signs then anything. Moses had 12 sons, Jesus 12 disciples etc. The Sun is at it's lowest point on december 25th and rises three days later after aligning with orions belt, 3 stars, 3 wise men from the 'east'.

Anyways there are Historians who've gone quite deep into the the literature of the time to find out there was no such man. In fact Philo of Alexandria lived in Israel 40 ad and he wrote hundreds of reports on life there and he never even so mentions anybody remotely like Jesus or any miracles, etc. The story is almost a direct rip off of Isis from Egypt, Dionysus from Greece, and Krishna from India. I always thought the story had at least a little truth to it, but the more you dig the less there is.

>>552685

The middle east was a pretty cool place. They were better than the europeans and more civil.

but then the mongols came and fucked it all up and what remained was a charred carcass of once great nations. from this carcass the cruel and twisted rose to take control. it's been that way ever since

>>552685
Haha good one!

>>552685
>>552942
>>552817
samefag

so how does it feel when the only person on the internet who praises you is yourself? I really don't get how that satisfies you : /

>>553008
Not samefag. Perhaps, you don't know what doom and final fantasy are, otherwise you would've find it funny too.

>>552839
>implying they didnt deserve it after subjugating the surrounding nations

Ghenghis Khan said himself to be the wrath of god, how fitting