why so idiot?

So, when is your 16th birthday OP?

>>546200
He obviously has trouble typing and masturbating to photos of Lenin at the same time.

nnnp

>>546214
this lol

What "disabilities" do you have?

Do you wear those im a faggot mao or che shirts or any leftistfaggotry paraphernalia

Why do you hate 'Merika?

>>546214
>>546223
Actually I'll be turning 21 this Fall, but that's okay.

>>546216
Yeah, it's pretty tough at times.

>>546224
Depends. Is an IQ of 130 is a disability?

Hey buddy! How many pokemans do you have? Are they Bionicles?

Have you read this? Can you account for economic calculation? Do you understand modern economics? Do you understand why the LTV is retarded? Do you understand why socialism is retarded? Do you understand why you're retarded?

>>546234
Ahahahahahahahahahhhahahhahahahhahahahahahhhhahahahahaaaa

Do you believe in giving women more power and minorities affirmative action?

>>546251
And if so, explain this:

op

>>546234

Oh, so you're a college Hipster-Leftist? That's almost worse than 15 year old Communists OP. Shame on you.

And LOL @ "Lulz my IQ is 130" on the internets.

>>546237

Thank you.

>>546261

Also explain this.

>>546292
indeed

>>546228
I'm not a faggot, so no.

>>546233
Because it is a capitalistic hellhole that allows only the already rich (and incredibly lucky) to be successful.

>>546237
I only believe in it as a sort of band-aid, if you will.

>>546287
I thought 15 year olds were supposed to be anarchist and the "typical" college kid was supposed to be a bleeding heart liberal.

>>546237
No; ?; not really; don't believe in the LVT; no; no

sounds more like u mad bro.

>>546306
>socialist
>doesn't understand economics

So do you really believe that the state should be dominant in a society, even though EVERY ideology that proposed that ended up creating genocides?

What should be done with the bourgeoisie and their sympathizers?

>>546306

>it is a capitalistic hellhole
>it is a hellhole

Ahahahaha! This is what socialists actually believe. And Cuba is no doubt a bastion of freedom and human progress.

>>546261
>The Heritage Foundation is a conservative American think tank
>conservative

>>546292
>The Fraser Institute is a fiscally conservative think tank
>fiscally conservative

As Mr. Mark Twain once said: "Figures don't lie, but liars figure."

Statistics is bullshit.

>>546324
Sorry. I must have missed the various genocides committed in modern Europe and Canada. I must not be keeping up with the news.

Not to imply modern European states are socialist-- it more or less shows that the state can be "dominant in a society" without hell breaking out.

what does your dad's dick taste like?

>>546345
>genetic fallacy

They're just aggregating data from the World Bank and world governments. Their methodology and raw data are public, and the indices are cited in economic journals.

Mark Twain also said this:

The mania for giving the Government power to meddle with the private affairs of cities or citizens is likely to cause endless trouble, through the rivalry of schools and creeds that are anxious to obtain official recognition, and there is great danger that our people will lose our independence of thought and action which is the cause of much of our greatness, and sink into the helplessness of the man who expects his government to feed him when hungry, clothe him when naked, to prescribe when his child may be born and when he may die, and, in fine, to regulate every act of humanity from the cradle to the tomb, including the manner in which he may seek future admission to paradise.
- Mark Twain

This thread is proof that conservatives can't actually disprove the far left so they must resort to petty insults.

Keep fighting the good fight OP.

>>546306

I assume the middle one was supposed to direct to my question. So you approve of egalitarianism regardless of actual ability and worth as a person. My biggest problem with socialists is their social positions which are based in emotion and pandering to the proletariat rather than being pragmatic and rational.

Let's say there were a socialist uprising tomorrow. All across the country CEOs and politicians were dragged from their homes and hung from street lights for all to see by violent vigilantes. They did it on their own initiative, but within a few months a bloody coup has managed to avoid collapsing into civil war and the proles are victorious. Wat do? Politically, economically, socially, locally. Etc.

>>546194
>>546365
samefaggot

>>546337
Cuba is about as successful as any Caribbean and South American country, and the most powerful economic force in the world has an embargo on it.

>>546336
I'm more into Fabianism than revolution.

>>546359
>They're just aggregating data from the World Bank and world governments. Their methodology and raw data are public, and the indices are cited in economic journals.
So? It's not fucking hard to have numbers lie and represent what you want them to.

Have you ever studied statistics? That's the entire point of the field-- to make numbers lie.

Please argue why the Labor Theory of Value is superior to Marginalism.

Go ahead, I'm waiting.

>>546374

Yes, I have studied statistics.

>That's the entire point of the field-- to make numbers lie.

mediocre troll detected

>>546345
Social-democracy is one thing, socialism is a completely different thing. For one, social-democracy is capitalist, lol. I'm talking socialism such as in the USSR, Cuba, or even fascism and nazism. Replace that "state being dominant in a society" for authoritarism/totalitarism, and sorry for my poor english, non-native speaker here.

>>546194
how do oyu feel about me calling the FBI?

>>546385
For being a Fabian faggot? Yeah right.

>>546383

The so-called social democracies in Europe are in many ways more capitalist than the US. The US governments spends more per person on healthcare than every country in Europe other than Norway.

See, this is why people need to understand economic logic before taking economic positions. Isn't that reasonable?

>>546374
Rofl. Typing from Brazil here. Cuba is a shithole, man. And Venezuela's being dragged to that same state of economic chaos and social turmoil by that lunatic they have as a President.

And do you really think that ANYTHING justifies political imprisionments and media censorship?

Do you prefer taking a cock in the ass or do you prefer sucking cock?

>>546366
>So you approve of egalitarianism regardless of actual ability and worth as a person.
No. I believe in equity. Should we create a true and absolute meritocracy where EVERY individual regardless of all factors have the EXACT same opportunities to succeed, yet should some inequality continue to exist, then that is a different story. But in modern America, it's important to give these minority groups at least the illusion of being equal.

>My biggest problem with socialists is their social positions which are based in emotion and pandering to the proletariat
A true socialist roots his belief in what is good for all-- not just the proletariat.

>>546379
Wait, you are trying to tell me that the entire purpose of statistics ISN'T to manipulate figures to make them show "proof" of some stance?

Where the hell did you study statistics?

>>546377
I said I didn't believe in the labor theory of value.

>>546383
I am a democratic socialist, if anything.

>>546385
Go for it, bro.

>>546404
What a manipulative and dishonest graph, you should be ashamed.

>>546404

>He thinks that government spending directly correlates with socialism!

Fucking derp.

>>546405
This.

http://whakahekeheke.wordpress.com/2010/02/04/the-emerging-dictatorship-in-venezuela/

>>546345
The difference in economic freedom between the western Europe and the US is negligible, and in fact, several nations have a better index of economic freedom.

Basically, the state is just as dominant in Europe as they are in the US

>>546404
This is a good an often overlooked point. Another one is the fact that the US has a HUGE bureaucracy -- often 3 levels of it (Federal, State, and Local). A new small business owner has to go through all sorts of shit just to open a corner store. This is why our country is full of big boxed retail and fast food -- because they are the only ones who can afford the army of lawyers required to comply with everything.

>>546416

It's not *just* government spending, it's government control. That's why the indices of economic freedom are comprehensive.

socialism
[Show phonetics]
noun [U]
any economic or political system based on government ownership and control of important businesses and methods of production

Cambridge International Dictionary of English

>>546428
A guy opening up a corner store has local government hoops to jump through. Most of it is probably zoning shit. The only time you would deal with the federal government as a small business owner is taxes.

>>546404
>The US governments spends more per person on healthcare than every country in Europe other than Norway.
So because we spend more money on health care, it means we are more socialist than Norway? Even though our insurance and hospitals are nearly completely and totally owned privately,while public ownership in the Norwegian system is widespread? So spending a lot of money + private ownership = socialism basically.

Your logic is fucking impeccable.

>>546405
>And do you really think that ANYTHING justifies political imprisionments and media censorship?
No. No I do.

>>546410
What theory of value do you support then?

>>546405

White star detected.

>>546443

Federal regulations to comply with. Typically the cost due to these regulations are shifted to the consumer.

>>546446
I fucking wish.

Everyone on this board is an idiot

Socialism does not equal authoritarianism.

>>546446
saved

>>546444
And you really call yourself leftist? Lol.

>>546443
There are plenty of State regulations as well and our federal tax system is a complete nightmare.

I've personally wondered if anyone has attempted to model the lost opportunity cost of all the accountants and such complying with our tax laws. It would be interesting.

>>546444

You're the one who called Europe "socialist" tardtard... how about we agree to reduce American government spending to Europe levels then? Do you understand crowding out? What "government spending" functionally is? Are you opposed to welfare spending?

>>546487
>crowding out
OH SHIT, THE TOLD IN THIS THREAD IS REACHING CRITICAL MASS

>>546470
see
>>546439

>>546446
And you know what's really revolting? Our so-called "socialist" president isn't doing anything to change that situation. He buys off the poor with a few state policies and some angry speeches while doing everything the banks and corporations tell him to. If there's any socialism to what he does, is he tries to censor the media and the intellectual middle-class. Feels bad, man. And the whole world think's he's "the man". Bullshit.

>>546470
Uh, as a matter of fact it does. If you mean what Marx, Lenin, Trotsky, Gramsci etc. meant by socialism, it does.

>>546470

Socialism in theory does not equal authoritarianism.

Socialism in praxis does equal authoritarianism.

ITT: Rational intelligent adults present facts and proven theories, terrible troll replies with "numbers are bourgeoisie lies" or "i dunno wut economics is lol"

filtered

>>546533
this, this, this, and this

/thread

Are you the kind of socialist that depends on the government to bring socialism for the working class? How the hell can you expect a bourgeois government to serve proletarian interests?

Also I'm a libertarian socialist/anarcho-communist

Bourgeoisie vs. proletariat is just so XIX century, lol

>>546542
>>546533

You're fags. Good riddance to ostriches who come in and make shit arguments and then storm out proclaiming victory.

That said, I'm out too. OP never answered my question.

>>546564
>thinks presenting economic data and asking about the logical premise for socialism are 'shit arguments'

>>546558
Haha ideas of capitalism are older... and create the same problems today

BRfag here, I'd stay but I have to wake up for classes tomorrow, nice meeting you /new/

It's interesting to debate politics with people from other countries. Haha, you have no idea what communists are like here in Brazil. Some make Che Guevara look like a perfect capitalist.

>>546575
"Capitalism" is substanceless and amorphous boogeyman constructed by the left. Today it just means economic individualism, economic freedom from government, free enterprise, emergent property, etc. These are modern, logical, materialist bases.

Marxism is long dead.

I am too OP, 90% of my friends are too. I think of the human species as one big family.

>>546602
Welcome to the family.

>>546593
If by economic freedom you mean exploitation of the working class, influence with money rather than majority and lack of protectionism, hell yeah thats free.

Go tell sweatshop workers in haiti that capitalism means economic freedom u motherfucker.

>>546612

How many religious zealots like you are there in this world? You idiots ooze out of the fucking cracks in rational conversation spitting dead terminology and obsolete economic mysticism as justification for proactive, physical violence. Where do you come from?

>>546626
When the hell did i advocate violence? if anything i am advocating compassion and rejectiopn of neoliberalism, both modern day terms and not dead mysticisms