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    146 KB Anonymous 04/05/10(Mon)11:32 No.540320  
    http://twitter.com/wikileaks
    >> Anonymous 04/05/10(Mon)11:35 No.540339
    so what are they leaking? because unless its documented irrefutable proof they were making up shit to go to Iraq, or the video of the Military torture sessions and in particular of video then I couldn't be bothered
    >> Anonymous 04/05/10(Mon)11:36 No.540348
    >>540339
    What a surprise, a slovenly american doesn't care about war crimes committed by his country's soldiers
    >> Anonymous 04/05/10(Mon)11:36 No.540352
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5rXPrfnU3G0

    I can see how the first engagement could be argued as a mistake, but the second one at 10:30 is completely unwarranted. Fucking sick.
    >> Anonymous 04/05/10(Mon)11:38 No.540363
    It's a hoax. The video clearly shows a bunch of insurgents with rifles and an RPG, and they POINTED it at an American military helicopter while squatting for cover.

    The only way the alt-media drones will be able to defend this is by yelling "SHEEPLE!" as loud as possible and shouting down any legitimate questions.
    >> Anonymous 04/05/10(Mon)11:40 No.540378
    The second time they engage they are very clearly killing innocent people.
    >> Anonymous 04/05/10(Mon)11:40 No.540379
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5rXPrfnU3G0
    skip to 4:45
    >> Anonymous 04/05/10(Mon)11:41 No.540382
    I love how these faggots take a video completely out of context and automatically assume it's the US doing warcrimes
    >> Anonymous 04/05/10(Mon)11:41 No.540383
    >>540363
    Where the fuck do you see an RPG? Or an AK? Or a handgun?

    I see absolutely no return fire even though they were getting chewed to bits, I also see a hole through a van used to evacuate wounded and bodies.
    >> Anonymous 04/05/10(Mon)11:44 No.540407
    fucking filthy sand nigger propaganda trying to make war heros look like villains, go to hell faggots
    >> Anonymous 04/05/10(Mon)11:44 No.540408
    Were any of us there being part of this? No. Do any of us know the background, the intelligence picture or have any other information surrounding this video. No.

    Do you even know of it the voices on the video are from this actual video? No.
    >> Anonymous 04/05/10(Mon)11:45 No.540421
    >>540408
    >Defending war crimes

    Bush voter spotted
    >> Anonymous 04/05/10(Mon)11:45 No.540423
    >>540382
    I love how these faggots think the US military is completely infallible.
    >> Anonymous 04/05/10(Mon)11:46 No.540425
    >>540348
    >I want proof to take to court they committed a war of aggression
    >What a surprise, a slovenly american doesn't care about war crimes committed by his country's soldiers
    I am interested in politicians and generals, you're knashing your teeth over grunts on the ground that will be dismissed as a few bad apples
    >>540363
    right and wikileaks is also a CIA/Mossad/George Sorros front
    >> Anonymous 04/05/10(Mon)11:46 No.540429
    >>540407
    >War heroes
    >Killed unarmed Reuters journalists

    They're soldiers, they may be doing the best they can given the circumstances but you don't call someone a war hero for killing an unarmed civilian reporter.

    At best it's a mistake, at worst it's some racist faggot looking to kill some sand niggers.
    >> Anonymous 04/05/10(Mon)11:46 No.540432
    >>540408
    the gunshot sounds correspond to the image, as well as some commentaries about what is visible and the buildings blocking visibility.
    >> Anonymous 04/05/10(Mon)11:47 No.540437
    The civilian casualties of the drone attacks in Northern Pakistan have been pretty well documented for a while now
    http://www.thenews.com.pk/top_story_detail.asp?Id=21440
    >> Anonymous 04/05/10(Mon)11:47 No.540441
    >>540408
    By this logic you can defend any intelligence with one-sided testimony.
    >> Anonymous 04/05/10(Mon)11:47 No.540442
    >>540408
    As is the case with most stories released by the media. Does this mean we should completely ignore it? No.
    >> Anonymous 04/05/10(Mon)11:48 No.540447
    >>540408
    >Were any of us there being part of this? No.
    try saying that sentence with a German accent.
    >> Anonymous 04/05/10(Mon)11:48 No.540449
    >>540383
    The guy on the corner clearly is holding an RPG. The rest of them have AK's. watch it again.
    >>540423
    Never said that. I just want some actual evidence before you go around accusing people of "war crimes," not a grainy, unsourced video on a site well-known for posting bogus info.
    >>540425
    Wikileaks is an alt-media shrine, and that's bad enough.
    >> Anonymous 04/05/10(Mon)11:48 No.540450
    WHY IS THE 'SHORT' VERSION 17 MINS
    >> Anonymous 04/05/10(Mon)11:50 No.540456
    Fucking Americans

    Seriously this shit is disgusting
    >> Anonymous 04/05/10(Mon)11:50 No.540459
    >>540421

    Haha no. I hated Bush and more importantly I'm not American.

    I'm just a person that likes the truth. Not some knee-jerk reactionist. I just don't make assumptions based on personal agendas.
    >> Anonymous 04/05/10(Mon)11:52 No.540467
    Glad we have so many guys with experience of being in the same situation as those Apache pilots here...
    >> Anonymous 04/05/10(Mon)11:53 No.540472
    >>540447

    Sorry Comrade. I'll remember to automatically believe anything a video on YouTube tells me from now on.
    >> Anonymous 04/05/10(Mon)11:53 No.540474
    >>540467

    Unfortunately most of /new/ doesn't have much experience slaughtering civilians and reporters
    >> Anonymous 04/05/10(Mon)11:53 No.540477
    >>540449
    Forget 4:30, what about 10:30? They slaughtered those people. The people in the van were trying to help that guy and the military just cut them down.
    >> Anonymous 04/05/10(Mon)11:53 No.540478
    >>540449
    >Wikileaks is an alt-media shrine, and that's bad enough.
    >I'll use perjoratives to short-circuit this, making it an object or derision or ridicule so that I don't have to think about it and maybe even laugh at it ensuring I am not confronted with a conflicting view.
    >> Anonymous 04/05/10(Mon)11:54 No.540481
    Also everything 'leaked' onto Wikileaks is the truth.

    My nose just grew a bit!
    >> Anonymous 04/05/10(Mon)11:55 No.540488
    Why did they fire on the van? It makes 0 sense.
    >> Anonymous 04/05/10(Mon)11:56 No.540490
    >>540348
    More like I don't care what hicks are doing overseas when I've got enough hicks doing stupid shit in my backyard (Iowan)
    >> Anonymous 04/05/10(Mon)11:56 No.540494
    >>540481
    The medium of information isn't the issue here. This record is a clear account of murder, so don't fucking write it off like you don't give a shit.
    >> Anonymous 04/05/10(Mon)11:56 No.540496
    The killing of the people in the van trying to help the wounded is a war crime. You are watching the US commit a war crime in this video
    >> Anonymous 04/05/10(Mon)11:56 No.540497
    >>540488
    they most likly didn't even do that, wikileaks is just foreign propaganda, noting ever posted on there is true, probly just edited the video
    >> Anonymous 04/05/10(Mon)11:57 No.540501
    >>540497
    You are a retard.
    >> Anonymous 04/05/10(Mon)11:59 No.540503
    Did they have eyes on the ground for confirmation of weapons on the first and second engagement? I would honestly like to understand what is going on in this video without the back and forth bullshit.
    >> Anonymous 04/05/10(Mon)12:00 No.540509
    >>540494
    its not even information, its raw data
    No investigation, no analysis, no attempt to figure out whatt it is.
    people seem to think putting stuff on the internet makes you a journalist - there is a bit more to it than that
    >> Anonymous 04/05/10(Mon)12:00 No.540510
    >>540497
    You need to watch the entire video.
    >> Anonymous 04/05/10(Mon)12:00 No.540511
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    >> Anonymous 04/05/10(Mon)12:02 No.540518
    >>540511
    Disgusting.
    >> Anonymous 04/05/10(Mon)12:03 No.540522
    >>540511
    >>540518
    >lol let's dub some dumb hick soldier voice over this video of Real American Soldiers confronting the Brown Menace and call it a war crime!
    >Those sheeple will believe anything!
    >> Anonymous 04/05/10(Mon)12:03 No.540524
    >>540511
    >>540511
    >>540511
    >>540511
    >>540511
    >>540511
    >> Anonymous 04/05/10(Mon)12:04 No.540525
    It's pretty sick and it's good to see it released, but I'm a bit disappointed of Wikileaks for not being neutral in this case. I want them to release such documents, not add their own commentary
    >> Anonymous 04/05/10(Mon)12:04 No.540526
    >>540509

    Didn't watch preamble or credits

    0/10.

    You are fucking stupid.
    >> Anonymous 04/05/10(Mon)12:04 No.540527
    >>540518
    >>540524
    >They think it's real
    >> Anonymous 04/05/10(Mon)12:04 No.540528
    >>540320

    well yeah, shame on those lil girls in the van... they must be criminals!

    you sir, are biggest moron that has ever posted on 4chan.
    >> Anonymous 04/05/10(Mon)12:05 No.540532
    >>540525

    Well the Pentagon has declared them an enemy. Wikileaks is fighting them the only way they can.
    >> Anonymous 04/05/10(Mon)12:05 No.540534
    army douchebags!! kill them with fire!
    >> kill muslim scum !bLroW7C6wQ 04/05/10(Mon)12:06 No.540536
    >>540528
    how is it the soldiers fault the parents took them around in a war zone and picked up bodies and possibly weapons.
    >> Anonymous 04/05/10(Mon)12:06 No.540537
    >>540527

    I think that parts at like 11:30 in the vid.
    >> deleted !RMbnClAiRE 04/05/10(Mon)12:07 No.540540
    >>540467
    Shit shit shit someone's coming to pick up the unarmed survivor, permission to engage plz.
    >> Anonymous 04/05/10(Mon)12:07 No.540541
    Four threads for this bullshit
    >> Anonymous 04/05/10(Mon)12:08 No.540544
    >>540536
    Can you find anyone from that van picking up weapons in this video? No, you can't. They are helping the wounded, which is protected under the Geneva conventions, AND it is a war crime to harm them.

    Get the fuck out
    >> Anonymous 04/05/10(Mon)12:08 No.540545
    This happens in every war.
    >> Anonymous 04/05/10(Mon)12:08 No.540548
    >>540467

    must be hard floating around in the sky raining death upon people who you think look vaguely suspicious. I'm sure that gives you real ethical clarity.
    >> Anonymous 04/05/10(Mon)12:08 No.540549
    >>540536
    hard to believe someone would want to get their family out of a war zone
    >> Anonymous 04/05/10(Mon)12:08 No.540552
    >>540467
    Seriously.
    >> Anonymous 04/05/10(Mon)12:08 No.540554
    >>540532
    Wikileaks shouldn't fight anyone. If they say that they fight the pentagon, for example, they are ruining their credibility, because I can't consider them unbiased anymore.

    I like Wikileaks and appreciate their efforts, but they should be a neutral platform. Their own commentary is unnecessary and only distorts the picture.
    >> Anonymous 04/05/10(Mon)12:09 No.540555
    >>540522
    Clear evidence of murder against unarmed men trying to help a wounded stranger and you just ignore it. It doesn't matter if the audio is fake or not. I feel really bad for you man. You just don't get it.
    >> Anonymous 04/05/10(Mon)12:10 No.540562
    This will have no impact, because your government doesn't care about you.
    >> Anonymous 04/05/10(Mon)12:11 No.540564
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    OK I've watched the video and read all your (some retarded) comments.

    It appears to me that journalists were killed in an attack. Now we have absolutely no information about the group of men the journalists were with. Could they have been wanted players? Possibily as the AH callsigns were hovering that area and following them.

    You may ask why they attacked them picking up the wounded. Because what is quite comment in Iraq is insurgents 'sanitizing' an area after an attack an not allowing the US forces to do forensics on the area. This stops the US identifying players from DNA and proving they were up to no good by finding residue from bomb making materials on their hands or clothes. Be aware they were just carrying the bodies away and not providing medical help.

    I'm not defending either side in this as I have as much information as you do. Although I may be more experienced in interpreting it. As people have said above don't jump to conclusions. But my personal conclusion with the little info I have is that two journos were accidently killed.
    >> Anonymous 04/05/10(Mon)12:12 No.540569
    brb, emailing this video to major news networks.
    >> Anonymous 04/05/10(Mon)12:13 No.540576
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    Vid is questionable.

    Two of them are indeed armed, and it's difficult to say what the one at the bottom of the building was holding. It does sort of look like an RPG, but it also looks like one of those long lenses on a camera.

    There's a lesson to be learned here, and that lesson is don't go to Baghdad.
    >> Anonymous 04/05/10(Mon)12:14 No.540584
    >>540545

    Stop having wars then. But wait, then the corporate state can't plunder innocent people to get another boat.

    No really, nearly every war in history is for the sole purpose of taking someone else's shit, and this is no exception.
    >> deleted !RMbnClAiRE 04/05/10(Mon)12:14 No.540587
    >>540564
    They were carrying one wounded man. They did not move on to any corpses before they were killed, so we do not know if they just planned to check for other survivors and drive away when they found none.
    >> Anonymous 04/05/10(Mon)12:14 No.540590
    >>540584
    >Stop having wars then
    lol, sure
    >> Anonymous 04/05/10(Mon)12:15 No.540592
    >>540569

    It's scum like you that get people killed. Your thoughtless, immature acts affect people in the real world that you can't see and will never know.
    >> Anonymous 04/05/10(Mon)12:15 No.540593
    >>540576
    don't take up photography as a job lol
    >> Anonymous 04/05/10(Mon)12:15 No.540599
    >>540576
    >It does sort of look like an RPG, but it also looks like one of those long lenses on a camera.

    0/10
    >> Anonymous 04/05/10(Mon)12:16 No.540601
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    Standard insurgent tactics. One guy with a weapon blends into a crowd of civilian human shields.

    Fuck em all.
    >> Anonymous 04/05/10(Mon)12:16 No.540602
    >>540564

    Interesting thanks for your input.
    >> Anonymous 04/05/10(Mon)12:17 No.540603
    >>540592
    hahahhaa u mad? i'm sorry that your military has been exposed as brutal, bloodthirsty warmongers who want nothing more than to kill brown people
    >> Anonymous 04/05/10(Mon)12:17 No.540609
    >>540592
    LOL, I know rite? Like when I spread pictures of Mohammad being shit on or sucking a cock on muslim forums, I'm pretty sure someone is going to die, but I'll be damned if it isn't fucking hilarious haha
    >> Anonymous 04/05/10(Mon)12:18 No.540613
    >>540564
    >implying that your average iraqi insurgent knows shit about forensics
    >implying that fucking DEAD BODIES with fucking blood all over the place doesn't leave a shitload of DNA evidence to begin with

    man why didn't we fucking listen to eisenhower
    >> Anonymous 04/05/10(Mon)12:19 No.540621
    >>540613

    Are you retarded?
    >> deleted !RMbnClAiRE 04/05/10(Mon)12:19 No.540622
    >>540592
    Indeed, people who want to deliver news to other people are often responsible for deaths. For instance, deaths of children in vans used to rescue wounded civilians.
    >> Anonymous 04/05/10(Mon)12:20 No.540625
    man, how can anyone defend these criminals?
    i mean, they attacked unarmed iraqi civilians in an iraqi city.

    it's obviously a war crime, no matter how you look at it.

    do you defend it because of your "AMURICA STRONG" ideology or are you juts trolls?
    >> Anonymous 04/05/10(Mon)12:20 No.540626
    >>540564

    -Religious Fundamentalists
    -DNA

    Lol, thats funny.
    >> Anonymous 04/05/10(Mon)12:21 No.540631
    >>540622

    Idiot. What he's saying is people like that fag sending videos that haven't been fully verified is part of the misinformation problem. He's no better than a rightwing/leftwing propganda merchent.
    >> Anonymous 04/05/10(Mon)12:21 No.540633
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    >>540576
    Genocide is Funnnn...
    >> Anonymous 04/05/10(Mon)12:22 No.540637
    >>540625
    Yes, killing civilians is bad, but there were people with weapons. Put yourself in their situation. One wrong mistake can cost you your life. You never know who can be the enemy. They saw an RPG and AK-47 and had to take them down
    >> Anonymous 04/05/10(Mon)12:22 No.540638
    >>540625

    Or are you just assuming they were innocent Iraqi's because it is what you'd rather believe?
    >> Anonymous 04/05/10(Mon)12:22 No.540640
    How the fuck did they know that was a weapon?
    >> Anonymous 04/05/10(Mon)12:22 No.540641
    >>540625
    They are mostly trolls, remember you are on 4chan. It's sort of post-meta humor.
    >> Anonymous 04/05/10(Mon)12:23 No.540646
    >>540625
    I wouldn't blame the soldiers, if anything, blame the people giving orders. You know, it's a difference if you see a video or are there and have to make decisions. It's easy to make mistakes and if those guys really thought that these people have RPGs it's normal that they shot at them.

    Not that I don't see the video critically, though, but lets be a bit realistic here.
    >> Anonymous 04/05/10(Mon)12:24 No.540650
    >>540626
    >>540625

    Comments like these make me wonder what the point of even replying on 4chan is. This board is predominately 15-year old fuckups.
    >> Anonymous 04/05/10(Mon)12:24 No.540653
    >>540637
    If you don't want to be killed by them then stay the fuck out of their country.
    >> Anonymous 04/05/10(Mon)12:24 No.540656
    >>540646
    >>540564

    Voices of reason.
    >> Anonymous 04/05/10(Mon)12:25 No.540662
    >>540653

    >implying most of the insurgents active in that area were Iraqi.
    >> Anonymous 04/05/10(Mon)12:25 No.540665
    Have you guys emailed this to BBC, CNN, Faux News etc...
    I betcha it won't appear on any of their sites
    >> Anonymous 04/05/10(Mon)12:26 No.540669
    >>540665
    I bet it will, take off your tinfoil hat.
    >> Anonymous 04/05/10(Mon)12:26 No.540670
    >>540653

    How about the Jordanian, Saudi, Filipino, Yemeni, Egyptian, Tunisian etc. etc. shit stirrers get out there first.
    >> Anonymous 04/05/10(Mon)12:27 No.540673
    People seeing this shit on TV during Vietnam is how Vietnam got bum fucked by the population dissenting on the decision to be in that war.

    That's why they NEVER televise live action footage of a war anymore. People can't understand or take this shit, it's intense, and not like a movie where shit is cash.
    >> Anonymous 04/05/10(Mon)12:27 No.540674
    >>540646
    The Nuremberg defense you mean? It's called that for a reason and it doesn't ever work.
    >> Anonymous 04/05/10(Mon)12:27 No.540679
    >>540665

    Yeah because major media outlets are renowned for their ability to neutrally interpret videos like this.
    >> kill muslim scum !bLroW7C6wQ 04/05/10(Mon)12:27 No.540682
    >>540673
    shit was pretty cash, 8 fighters down in one burst
    >> Anonymous 04/05/10(Mon)12:27 No.540683
    >>540637
    This is irrelevant to the slaughtering of the family members who came to help their relatives in the van. It is explicitly against the Geneva convention to kill people attending to the wounded.
    >> Anonymous 04/05/10(Mon)12:29 No.540692
    >>540683
    >people still follow it
    >> kill muslim scum !bLroW7C6wQ 04/05/10(Mon)12:29 No.540700
    >>540683
    they were not wearing uniform. that is a violation of the geneva conventions. you really dont know shit about them.
    >> Anonymous 04/05/10(Mon)12:30 No.540704
    >>540679
    Truth

    This thing is going to be reduced to a 5 second soundbite. CNN has been running the exact same 10 seconds of guncam footage for at least 2 years now.
    >> Anonymous 04/05/10(Mon)12:30 No.540712
    Geneva convention, lol. What a load of no one gives a shit about it.

    Iraq is a genocide, not a war. So why would the articles of the rules of war matter?
    >> Anonymous 04/05/10(Mon)12:31 No.540714
    Hm, people really love to kill each other.

    There are much easier ways to eradicate people there.

    Just fucking drop 2-3 A-bombs there like you did back there 1945.
    >> Anonymous 04/05/10(Mon)12:31 No.540715
    >>540700
    because in a city, there are only organized military, and terrorists.

    It is not possible for civilians to render aid and comfort.
    >> Anonymous 04/05/10(Mon)12:31 No.540717
    >>540700
    civilian medics? You're grasping at straws.
    >> Anonymous 04/05/10(Mon)12:31 No.540718
    >>540674
    I just meant that those soldiers are probably stressed out and such an incidence is to be expected. That doesn't excuse it, but I don't think that the soldiers are monsters or anything
    >> Anonymous 04/05/10(Mon)12:31 No.540721
    A dead sandnigger is a good sandnigger.
    >> kill muslim scum !bLroW7C6wQ 04/05/10(Mon)12:32 No.540735
    >>540717
    none of them are entitled to geneva convention simply because sandniggers do not wear uniforms or an identifying symbol. the only reason the us doesnt slaughter them all is because bleeding hearts like you.
    >> Anonymous 04/05/10(Mon)12:32 No.540736
    I see absolutely nothing wrong in this video. Leave it to Reuters to make up bullshit. If they were conducting interviews with the enemy inside that building they should have known better.
    >> Anonymous 04/05/10(Mon)12:33 No.540743
    All hail America!
    >> Anonymous 04/05/10(Mon)12:34 No.540746
    All I see is a war criminal and a bunch of civilians who lost their protective status by purposely acting as human shields.
    >> Anonymous 04/05/10(Mon)12:35 No.540755
    I don't see why some here are so confused by the presence of amred men around the journalist, most international reporters hire PMC's to escourt them into the warzone. What surprises me is how trigger happy those pilots and gunners are, for all they knew they could have been american guys
    >> Anonymous 04/05/10(Mon)12:35 No.540760
    >and a bunch of civilians
    With what looked like assault rifles and a guy with an RPG.
    >> Anonymous 04/05/10(Mon)12:35 No.540763
    >>540700
    I was in the US military, we are trained that it is ILLEGAL to hurt people without weapons who are helping the injured in Iraq, even if they don't have official uniforms on. These soldiers are a fucking disgrace to the military

    you have no fucking idea what you're talking about
    >> Anonymous 04/05/10(Mon)12:36 No.540769
    >>540718
    Sure, but I'm biased. If we treated our soldiers as monsters for just doing what we all would as according to modern psychology then there would be far less soldiers; and it wouldn't even matter that the system is fucked up.
    >> Anonymous 04/05/10(Mon)12:36 No.540770
    This video made me sad and angry

    Fuck the USA
    >> Anonymous 04/05/10(Mon)12:37 No.540776
    >>540746
    >implying you don't need an armed bodyguard in iraq

    lol, get real
    >> Anonymous 04/05/10(Mon)12:37 No.540778
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    You think shit like this makes Iraqis mad?
    >> Anonymous 04/05/10(Mon)12:37 No.540782
    >>540770
    Now, make sure you watched the full video! Not the 10 minute clip wikileak made to stir up Anti-US feelings
    >> Anonymous 04/05/10(Mon)12:37 No.540786
    This is what happens when dumb rednecks enlist in the military.
    >> Anonymous 04/05/10(Mon)12:38 No.540788
    >>540735

    shut the fuck up you retard
    >> Anonymous 04/05/10(Mon)12:38 No.540790
    tl;dr:

    bunch of terrorists get shot. liberals whine about it
    >> kill muslim scum !bLroW7C6wQ 04/05/10(Mon)12:39 No.540794
    >>540763
    were you infantry?
    >> Anonymous 04/05/10(Mon)12:39 No.540795
    >>540782
    You mean the one showing even more war crimes?

    Like shooting a missile at a man just walking down the street?
    >> Anonymous 04/05/10(Mon)12:39 No.540800
    If that ambulance was really an ambulance, it should have had the appropriate identification on the roof. There is a reason that a red, Greek cross on a white background is used.
    >> Anonymous 04/05/10(Mon)12:39 No.540804
    It's sad and disturbing, but if you run around with assault rifles and RPGs in the line of sight of an apache gunner, he'll blow you into bits, no matter how innocent you might've been. That's war and it's fucked up.

    I can take comfort in the fact that a free society allows these things to come up to the surface and that we can have an open debate about it. We do fuck up, but there's no mistaking we're the good guys at the end of the day.
    >> Anonymous 04/05/10(Mon)12:40 No.540807
    >>540782

    I've watched the full video - fuck the usa
    >> Anonymous 04/05/10(Mon)12:40 No.540814
    >>540795
    Or the one showing the men with AK-47s, an RPG, and calling in medical evacs for the civilians involved
    >> Anonymous 04/05/10(Mon)12:40 No.540816
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    4chan.

    Either full of anti-war psychopath antisocial jew haters!

    Or

    Red-neck hick dumbfucks who hate sandniggers!

    I love you guys!
    >> Anonymous 04/05/10(Mon)12:41 No.540825
    >>540804
    >We do fuck up, but there's no mistaking we're the good guys at the end of the day.
    >we're the good guys
    lolno.
    >> Anonymous 04/05/10(Mon)12:41 No.540826
    >>540804

    the main point of contention is that they arent carrying anything recognisable as a weapon

    their only crime was standing in a direction that some soldiers had received fire from.
    >> Anonymous 04/05/10(Mon)12:42 No.540829
    >>540814
    >AK-47s, RPG

    Lol. You mean the cameras the journalists had.
    >> Anonymous 04/05/10(Mon)12:42 No.540830
    they were armed nothing to see here, just another war video that should be on theync
    >> Anonymous 04/05/10(Mon)12:42 No.540837
    >>540816
    I am a jew and an anti-zionist, that doesn't make me a jew hater
    >> deleted !RMbnClAiRE 04/05/10(Mon)12:43 No.540838
    >>540830
    >The civilians in the van picking up the unarmed man were armed.
    Oh really?
    >> Anonymous 04/05/10(Mon)12:43 No.540839
    >>540829
    no the ground units find weapons on the bodies, it would help if you actually watched the vid
    >> Anonymous 04/05/10(Mon)12:43 No.540840
    Those cameras they were holding could have taken down all the US's helicopters!
    >> Anonymous 04/05/10(Mon)12:43 No.540842
    >>540814

    the men they killed at the beginning? dont think so
    >> Anonymous 04/05/10(Mon)12:43 No.540845
    >>540838
    they were helping the armed men
    >> Anonymous 04/05/10(Mon)12:44 No.540849
    >>540839

    one guy says he sees something that looks lie an rpg round under a body

    no mention of weapons

    it would help if you watched the video
    >> Anonymous 04/05/10(Mon)12:44 No.540850
    >>540840
    weren't cameras but RPGs and AKs
    >> Anonymous 04/05/10(Mon)12:44 No.540851
    Hey militaryfags/technophiles, what's with the black and white? Is it like that because of night vision, or is it easier to encrypt that way?
    >> Anonymous 04/05/10(Mon)12:44 No.540854
    >>540839
    >the ground units find weapons on the bodies

    No, they didn't. Cool revisionism bro.
    >> Anonymous 04/05/10(Mon)12:44 No.540855
    >>540849
    there you go if he had an rpg then he was armed
    >> Anonymous 04/05/10(Mon)12:45 No.540859
    >>540804

    invade foreign country -> make sure to eliminate any order for the sake of lolfreedom -> cause civil war -> kill random people on the street -> publish video

    ---> good guys

    wat?
    >> Anonymous 04/05/10(Mon)12:45 No.540860
    >>540845

    he didnt have a weapon you dumbfuck, they couldnt shoot him originally for that reason, how hard is it to watch a video?
    >> Anonymous 04/05/10(Mon)12:45 No.540862
    >>540829 Lol. You mean the cameras the journalists had.

    No, I mean the assault rifles they are very clearly being seeing carrying at 03:42 and onward, which the apache pilots also indentify.
    >> Anonymous 04/05/10(Mon)12:45 No.540863
    >>540854
    yes they did
    >> Anonymous 04/05/10(Mon)12:45 No.540864
    This entire farce is pure hilarity
    >> Anonymous 04/05/10(Mon)12:45 No.540866
    >>540851
    The US military still has shit-tier equipment for the Iraq war. They're saving the good stuff for China.
    >> Anonymous 04/05/10(Mon)12:45 No.540867
    >>540850
    sure, dumb shit, you know

    THOSE WERE REPORTERS, this is a fact.
    >> deleted !RMbnClAiRE 04/05/10(Mon)12:46 No.540870
    >>540845
    The *only survivor* of the first engagement was unarmed. The soldiers even point this out and wait for him to procure a weapon so they can kill him. He never does.
    >> Anonymous 04/05/10(Mon)12:46 No.540871
    lol, people saying they were armed

    You deserve to be shot to pieces for no reason, too.
    >> Anonymous 04/05/10(Mon)12:46 No.540873
    >>540860
    i don't know, ask yourself that question, they found an rpg on one of the guys
    >> Anonymous 04/05/10(Mon)12:46 No.540875
    >>540838
    got any proof they had weapons? no, you don't
    >> Anonymous 04/05/10(Mon)12:46 No.540877
    >>540778
    Meh, don't think so.
    They should kiss our feets for being freed and getting democracy.
    >> Anonymous 04/05/10(Mon)12:46 No.540881
    >>540601
    That was a fucking tripod
    >> Anonymous 04/05/10(Mon)12:47 No.540885
    >>540855

    something that looks like an rpg round under a body != a weapon or even an rpg round

    pretty weak justification for the instantaneous slaughter of eight guys
    >> Anonymous 04/05/10(Mon)12:47 No.540886
    >>540867
    How does this matter? If there are guys with weapons you can't expect the guys in the (what was it, a helicopter?) to wait what happens. It's sad, but such things are bound to happen in a war.
    >> Anonymous 04/05/10(Mon)12:47 No.540887
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    This is how Obama's gonna come after YOUR guns, rednecks!
    >> Anonymous 04/05/10(Mon)12:47 No.540888
    >>540867
    there was one guy with an AK and one RPG
    you need this kind of stuff for self defense in iraq though
    and they were with reporters, so they probably didn't plan to assault the white devils
    >> kill muslim scum !bLroW7C6wQ 04/05/10(Mon)12:47 No.540893
    >>540888
    you need an rpg for self defense in iraq?
    >> Anonymous 04/05/10(Mon)12:48 No.540894
    >>540886

    YES YOU CAN THEY ARE FLOATING AROUND IN THE AIR LIKE HALF A MILE AWAY
    >> Anonymous 04/05/10(Mon)12:48 No.540895
    >>540886

    Yes you can expect them to fuck off back to their shitholes!

    AK's are legal in Iraq.
    >> Anonymous 04/05/10(Mon)12:48 No.540897
    YEEHAW KILL SOME RAGHEADS

    Fucking murderers
    >> Anonymous 04/05/10(Mon)12:48 No.540898
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    If its a camera, then its about three feet long and he's using it as a cane.
    >> Anonymous 04/05/10(Mon)12:49 No.540899
    >>540888

    You can say there was an RPG thousands of times, it's still a lie.
    >> Anonymous 04/05/10(Mon)12:49 No.540901
    >>540875
    got any proof they didn't or you just want to believe they did despite what was in the video?
    >> Anonymous 04/05/10(Mon)12:49 No.540902
    >>540899
    I think the long version of the video shows that there are weapons?
    >> Anonymous 04/05/10(Mon)12:49 No.540904
    >>540898
    tripod?
    >> Anonymous 04/05/10(Mon)12:50 No.540905
    >>540902

    nope
    >> kill muslim scum !bLroW7C6wQ 04/05/10(Mon)12:50 No.540906
    >>540895
    >>540894
    http://www.nytimes.com/2003/06/01/world/after-the-war-baghdad-iraqi-civilians-allowed-to-keep-assaul
    t-rifles.html?pagewanted=1
    >Iraqis would be allowed to keep AK-47 assault rifles in their HOMES AND BUSINESSES.
    >> Anonymous 04/05/10(Mon)12:50 No.540907
    >>540899
    oh please i bet you believe that 9/11 was an inside job too
    >> Anonymous 04/05/10(Mon)12:50 No.540909
    >>540902
    no there weren't weapons.
    >> Anonymous 04/05/10(Mon)12:50 No.540911
    >>540899
    watch the video
    >>540601

    also, i'm one of "it's a war crime" fraction, but get your facts straight before you spout shit
    >> Anonymous 04/05/10(Mon)12:50 No.540912
    >>540888
    I'm guessing the reporters were either being accompanied by some hired goons for armed escort, or interviewing some armed Iraqi's, or playing cahoots with them.

    Either way, the soldiers/commanders engaged first, then took out an unarmed civilian van, then decided to say "fuck you" to the kids who needed medical assistance by dumping them on the shit tier Iraq police system.

    This happens all of the time in Iraq, x100. Get over it, if you're pissed cause you got to see a video of it, then you're fucking retarded. I've known this shit has been happening for years.

    Welcome to reality.
    >> Anonymous 04/05/10(Mon)12:51 No.540914
    oh that explains why people think there weren't any weapons they only saw the short version
    >> kill muslim scum !bLroW7C6wQ 04/05/10(Mon)12:51 No.540916
    >>540906
    also
    >lengthy of list of much heavier weapons that would be prohibited to most people: machine guns, rocket-propelled grenades, shoulder-fired missiles, antiaircraft guns, mortars, land mines and grenades.
    >> Anonymous 04/05/10(Mon)12:51 No.540919
    >>540901

    >despite what was in the video

    please outline all the weapons in the video

    please screenshot the point at which ground forces confirm that they were carrying AKs
    >> Anonymous 04/05/10(Mon)12:51 No.540920
    >>540906
    Security forces are allowed to be armed (DUH), you fucking dumb jewshit
    >> Anonymous 04/05/10(Mon)12:51 No.540922
    This is no smoking gun. Jesus.
    >> Anonymous 04/05/10(Mon)12:51 No.540923
    FUCK YOU USA

    THIS JUST MEANS MORE WHITE GUILT
    >> Anonymous 04/05/10(Mon)12:52 No.540926
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    WEAPONS! That one guy is also carrying what looks like a big fucking RPG.
    >> Anonymous 04/05/10(Mon)12:52 No.540929
    >>540923
    Although it's probably liberal guilt as the military isn't just white
    >> Anonymous 04/05/10(Mon)12:52 No.540930
    It was an act of terorrism against innocent people.
    >> Anonymous 04/05/10(Mon)12:52 No.540931
    >free society allows these things to come up to the surface

    Actually, it doesn't. That is why it is a link. No one wanted the video to surface.
    >> Anonymous 04/05/10(Mon)12:53 No.540934
    >>540898
    What i ask is....don't they have a fucking ZOOM IN function?!
    >> Anonymous 04/05/10(Mon)12:53 No.540938
    I assume the armed men were with a PMC assigned to the reporter, looking at how fast and easily this was carried out, it makes me wonder did thissort of thing happen often? Friendly fire on PMCs I mean
    >> kill muslim scum !bLroW7C6wQ 04/05/10(Mon)12:54 No.540939
    let me some this up:

    arabs are terrorists
    americans kill terrorists
    shitstorm ensues
    liberals cry

    how is this different from anything else ever
    >> Anonymous 04/05/10(Mon)12:54 No.540940
    Massacre of civilians, then cover-up.

    Pentagon hasn't changed one bit.
    >> Anonymous 04/05/10(Mon)12:54 No.540941
    >>540934
    they are like half a mile away. that IS the zoomed version
    >> Anonymous 04/05/10(Mon)12:54 No.540942
    >>540934
    im assuming they're pretty far away, and as such are probably already zoomed in as far as they can.
    >> Anonymous 04/05/10(Mon)12:54 No.540943
    >>540939
    >>540939
    Jews are terrorists now.
    Arabs are better than Jews.
    >> Anonymous 04/05/10(Mon)12:54 No.540944
    Fuckin sand niggers
    >> Anonymous 04/05/10(Mon)12:54 No.540945
    >>540919
    why would you not believe the soldiers saying they found weapons on the bodies? oh right, you want to believe "AMUUURICA BAD DERP"
    >> Anonymous 04/05/10(Mon)12:55 No.540948
    >>540320
    That was fucking awsome.
    >> kill muslim scum !bLroW7C6wQ 04/05/10(Mon)12:55 No.540950
    >>540943
    better at getting themselves blown up, either by themselves or by normal people.
    >> Anonymous 04/05/10(Mon)12:55 No.540952
    wtf is a brad?
    >> Anonymous 04/05/10(Mon)12:56 No.540953
    >>540945
    >>540945
    Soldiers fabricate evidence all the time.

    Why do you think they carry AK's with them?? It's well known.
    >> Anonymous 04/05/10(Mon)12:56 No.540954
    >>540926
    >circles blurry shit that could be anything from a camera to a stick
    >convinces himself they are definitely weapons
    >is as stupid as the soldier who killed them

    They're in a helicopter a mile in the air, they are under no threat, sorry if I want better evidence than some blurry artifacts on a shitty camera
    >> Anonymous 04/05/10(Mon)12:56 No.540955
    I want to watch people die. I want to watch a thousand people die. When I get home from work I youtube videos of people having horrible accidents. I barely feel anything.

    I just got home from the movies. I saw a hundred people die. I saw a thousand people die on tv today. I want to watch people die because then they get loud and that wakes me up. I'm exhausted. I'm exhausted from watching millions of people die. I'm so tired and the person on the television is screaming and holding his stomach.

    He's bleeding from his stomach so he was probably shot. He was shot by a bullet and I'm waiting for him to die. He's waiting to die. We are both waiting for him to die but I am watching him and he is not watching me. He is on television and I am in my living room, exhausted from watching thousands of people bleed out.

    I want to hear his passionate speech before his death. I want to turn on closed captioning. I want to TiVo a thousand murders. I want to watch. I want to watch people die.
    >> Anonymous 04/05/10(Mon)12:56 No.540957
    >>540930
    >der also 9/11 was an inside jerb
    >> Anonymous 04/05/10(Mon)12:56 No.540959
    >Defending war crimes
    >implying war is ever legal
    >> Anonymous 04/05/10(Mon)12:56 No.540960
    >>540950
    >>540950
    That's what they have to work with against pure evil scum like you.
    >> Anonymous 04/05/10(Mon)12:56 No.540961
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    >>540955
    >> Anonymous 04/05/10(Mon)12:56 No.540962
    >>540941
    >>540942
    There are instances after the engagement where they zoom in even closer. The problem is they didn't do that before they considered them hostile.
    >> Anonymous 04/05/10(Mon)12:57 No.540963
    >>540939
    let me sum this up:

    -americans kill non-hostile civilians who are armed in a country where it's legal to bear these arms and necessary to carry them with you, since the US destroyed the public order
    -liberals cry "war crime"
    -retards cry "no, AMURICA STRONG, soldiers are heroes, god wills it!"
    >> Anonymous 04/05/10(Mon)12:57 No.540965
    >>540912
    You forget to mention that the DOD denied any civilians casualties and dont know "how the children got there".
    >> Anonymous 04/05/10(Mon)12:57 No.540969
    >>540954
    uhh, they found weapons on the bodies afterward?
    >> Anonymous 04/05/10(Mon)12:57 No.540971
    Fuck America. I fucking hate this place. Washington DC should fucking burn to the ground.
    >> Anonymous 04/05/10(Mon)12:57 No.540972
    >>540941
    they must be further away than half a mile. the time difference between shots fired and impact is easily a second or more in the vid
    >> kill muslim scum !bLroW7C6wQ 04/05/10(Mon)12:57 No.540973
    >>540963
    not legal to bear, just own. not even legal to own the RPG.
    >> Anonymous 04/05/10(Mon)12:58 No.540974
    >>540952
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M2_Bradley
    >> Anonymous 04/05/10(Mon)12:58 No.540975
    Damn it. I want to sit in that heli too and kill bad people.
    The feeling you get is way more awesome and intense than playing some games.
    I want to have the license to kill too!
    >> Anonymous 04/05/10(Mon)12:58 No.540976
    >>540877
    This is what the typical conservative actually thinks.
    >> Anonymous 04/05/10(Mon)12:58 No.540979
    >>540945

    the only mention of weapons found is what looks like A SINGLE RPG ROUND UNDER A BODY

    not even an RPG

    something that looks like a round under a tattered pile of flesh
    >> Anonymous 04/05/10(Mon)12:59 No.540982
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    Reaction to video:
    well this is pretty boring so far, blah blah blah survived by wife and kids blah blah
    >8 dudes gather on corner
    >ok gonna open fire
    >PEWPEWPEWPEW
    FUCK YES BEST VIDEO EVER
    >> Anonymous 04/05/10(Mon)12:59 No.540984
    >>540963
    >carrying weapons on the street
    >expect not to be shot
    >> Anonymous 04/05/10(Mon)12:59 No.540985
    >>540973
    well, under saddam they didn't need these weapons in the first place, because the streets were safe...
    but then something happened and anarchy arose
    >> Anonymous 04/05/10(Mon)13:00 No.540987
    I can't speak to what's actually occuring, but from what I can see:

    One or two men DID appear to have weapons, though they were quite obviously not preparing to fire them. None of the other people in the video appeared to have any weapons, and there were no shots fired by any suspected insurgents

    The man peeking around the corner had a telescopic camera lens on, it was not an RPG.

    There was absolutely no reason to fire upon the van, there were no weapons and it was quite clear that they were trying to help the wounded man.

    Don't know if the audio is legit, but if it is then it's quite sickening.
    >> kill muslim scum !bLroW7C6wQ 04/05/10(Mon)13:00 No.540990
    >>540979
    RPG round is illegal to own in iraq. where do you think it was going anyways?
    >> Anonymous 04/05/10(Mon)13:00 No.540994
    >>540979
    oh thank you, i had no idea you were there to see it, you've cleared that up nicely
    >> Anonymous 04/05/10(Mon)13:00 No.540995
    >>540969

    no
    >> Anonymous 04/05/10(Mon)13:00 No.540996
    >>540984
    What weapons?
    >> Anonymous 04/05/10(Mon)13:01 No.540998
    >>540996
    rpg
    >> kill muslim scum !bLroW7C6wQ 04/05/10(Mon)13:01 No.540999
    >>540985
    no one needs an AK for self defense unless they are being attacked by armored vehicles. inb4 liberals cry the us is attacking them with armored vehicles.
    >> Anonymous 04/05/10(Mon)13:01 No.541003
    god you truthers have thick skulls, they were enemy combatants, the army was doing it's job
    >> kill muslim scum !bLroW7C6wQ 04/05/10(Mon)13:01 No.541004
    >>540999
    no one needs an *rpg* for self defense
    >> Anonymous 04/05/10(Mon)13:01 No.541009
    What's the contrarian position on this /new/? Pro-journalists, or pro-US military?
    I want to be contrary solely for the sake of being contrary.
    >> Anonymous 04/05/10(Mon)13:02 No.541014
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    >>540990
    >>540990
    there were no RPGs!!!!

    the shot at guys with tripods and cameras!
    >> Anonymous 04/05/10(Mon)13:02 No.541015
    >>540998
    there is no fucking RPG in the vid. I'm all for killing everyone on screen as long as there are actual weapons to be found
    >> Anonymous 04/05/10(Mon)13:02 No.541016
    >>540994

    it is mentioned in the video, maybe you should watch it
    >> Anonymous 04/05/10(Mon)13:02 No.541019
    >no one needs an AK for self defense unless they are being attacked by armored vehicles. inb4 liberals cry the us is attacking them with armored vehicles.

    No one needs anything for self defense because crime is illegal!
    >> deleted 04/05/10(Mon)13:02 No.541020
    >>541003
    Are you fucking retarded. There was children injured. Fucking Children, man. Bunch of fucking baby killers.
    >> Anonymous 04/05/10(Mon)13:02 No.541021
    >>540984
    >helping wounded civilians
    >expecting not to be shot

    hurr durr
    >> Anonymous 04/05/10(Mon)13:03 No.541022
    >>541014
    that's why they say they found rpgs on the bodies afterwards?
    >> Anonymous 04/05/10(Mon)13:04 No.541027
    >>541021

    >helping enemy combatants
    >expecting not to be shot

    hurr durr


    fixed
    >> Anonymous 04/05/10(Mon)13:04 No.541028
    >>540999
    Where the fuck have you been?
    Have you even read the news? Oh wait you watch fox news. Let me educate you. In Iraq there have numerous case of kidnappings and killings. It is obviously common sense to hire a fucking bodyguard driving around in Iraq while doing your job interviewing and taking pictures.
    >> Anonymous 04/05/10(Mon)13:04 No.541031
    >>541003
    not the ones in the van, you retard
    >> Anonymous 04/05/10(Mon)13:04 No.541032
    >>541015
    you are retarded.
    they are not criminals. would you agree that every american who helds a weapon should be killed too?

    what is that?
    >>540601
    >> Anonymous 04/05/10(Mon)13:05 No.541034
    1) Its a war zone and bad things happen.
    2) The Apache crew CLEARLY thought the people were armed. Over and over again they talked about seeing weapons.
    3) The crew asked for permission to engage each time.
    4) Why the fuck would you have your kids with you when you drive into a recent battle scene?

    All you are acting like the whole thing was premeditated murder on the part of the Americans, and it clearly wasn't.
    It was a tragic mistake, but one that is easy to make.
    Heres a news flash, IF YOU WORK IN A WARZONE, YOU MIGHT GET SHOT. Thats just the way things are.
    >> Anonymous 04/05/10(Mon)13:05 No.541035
    Here's my take:

    If anyone was even carrying a handgun or AR clearly identified by the chopper gunner or drones then killing them all is A-OK because the maybe innocent people standing near them know that they're in danger of getting blown to pieces. But when I walk around in a group where nobody has a weapon and still get blown to pieces then there's nothing I could have done to protect myself and I was wrongfully killed.
    >> Anonymous 04/05/10(Mon)13:05 No.541036
    >>540987
    It's not sickening, it's that PEOPLE LIKE YOU ARE NAIVE!

    If i killed some bad guys i would scream nice and hell yeah and nice score and monster kill too.
    It's a great feeling to have achieved something like this.
    Hormones are pumping.

    Awesome, just awesome!
    >> Anonymous 04/05/10(Mon)13:05 No.541037
    Whether or not they're carrying weapons is completely subjective. Given the environment US troops are working in I can see why they initially opened fire. What's sickening about this video is the attack on the van and civilians attending to the wounded and the subsequent cover up by the pentagon. The outrage shouldn't be over this video in particular it should be in the fact that they covered it up so fluidly you can't help to think of how many of the reported encounters aren't just more massacring of unarmed civilians.
    >> Anonymous 04/05/10(Mon)13:05 No.541038
    >>541020
    like the guy said, they shouldn't have brought their kids to war with them
    >> kill muslim scum !bLroW7C6wQ 04/05/10(Mon)13:05 No.541043
    >>541028
    if you wave guns around in a war zone you are taking a risk. when I see people carrying around guns in a combat zone I dont ask them why.
    >> Anonymous 04/05/10(Mon)13:05 No.541044
    >>541027
    >combatants
    more like bodyguards, fucktard
    >> Anonymous 04/05/10(Mon)13:06 No.541045
    >>541022
    Thats why they say they have no idea where the children come from.
    >> Anonymous 04/05/10(Mon)13:06 No.541046
    >>541031
    they were helping insurgents
    >> Anonymous 04/05/10(Mon)13:06 No.541048
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    >>541022
    >> Anonymous 04/05/10(Mon)13:06 No.541049
    Shoot first, ask questions later.
    >> Anonymous 04/05/10(Mon)13:07 No.541052
    >>541044
    that's why they were aiming the weapons? try again
    >> Anonymous 04/05/10(Mon)13:07 No.541053
    >>541022

    what LOOKS LIKE

    ONE

    RPG

    ROUND

    UNDER A BODY THAT HAS BEEN BLOWN OPEN BY HELICOPTER FIRE

    the video doesn't even provide any confirmation, one guy mentions it in passing.
    >> Anonymous 04/05/10(Mon)13:07 No.541054
    >>540999

    ...right so by that logic, our american reporters shouldn't have had armed escourts in Iraq? Do you realise how naive you sound?

    What I seen was some undisiplined soldiers clearly ignore the rules of engagement and a consequent coverup. I don't think its a revelation, just another incident to add to the pile of our military's shame
    >> Anonymous 04/05/10(Mon)13:08 No.541058
    >>541043
    Well , you should shoot your buddy coz he got a gun too,
    >> Anonymous 04/05/10(Mon)13:08 No.541060
    >>541052

    when they get shot they're all stood with their hands by their sides retard
    >> Anonymous 04/05/10(Mon)13:08 No.541063
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    Alright I've done some in depth analysis of the picture for all you people bickering about weapons.
    >> Anonymous 04/05/10(Mon)13:08 No.541066
    >>541034
    >>541034
    He wanted them to have weapons so that he could shoot them. He says this very, very clearly in the video. It is not a matter of how one could reasonably suspect that the civilians were carrying weapons. It is a matter of the undeniable fact that the gunner wishes for the civilians to be armed so that he can shoot them. The civilians had AK-47s because he wanted them to have AK-47s, the civilians had RPGs because he wanted them to have RPGs, and his desire to identify those AK-47s and RPGs was wholly independent of their existence. If you weren't able to make this very basic observation, you probably didn't watch the video.
    >> Anonymous 04/05/10(Mon)13:09 No.541067
    >>541043
    ok, according to me NY is now a warzone. can i kill random people with guns and the people next to them and the people who try to help them now?
    do i get bonuspoints if i shoot children?
    >> Anonymous 04/05/10(Mon)13:09 No.541070
    >>540954 They're in a helicopter a mile in the air, they are under no threat, sorry if I want better evidence than some blurry artifacts on a shitty camera

    Well, too fucking bad this blurry ass video is all you and me have to go on. If you honestly think that a group of grown ass men are walking around with a big trunk of wood and some sticks on the streets, then you're fucking retarded.

    I think it's perfectly fine to assume that the reporters were escorted by PMC and that the TRAINED apache gunner simply identified this as an armed group of hostiles (the suspected RPG didn't exacly help the cause) and asked for permission to fire upon them. Shit happened and liberals started crying.
    >> Anonymous 04/05/10(Mon)13:09 No.541074
    >>541054
    shit happens, who are you to judge?
    >> Anonymous 04/05/10(Mon)13:10 No.541076
    >>541054
    Im not the guy you are replying too, but if you are in a warzone, and you travel with armed men, it is fucking dangerous.
    IM NOT SAYING THEY SHOULD HAVE BEEN SHOT.
    Im just saying that if you are doing those two things, then getting shot is a hazard, and you should accept it as one of the risks to do your job or get reassigned.
    >> kill muslim scum !bLroW7C6wQ 04/05/10(Mon)13:10 No.541077
    >>541067
    are you seriously comparing baghdad to new york?
    >> Anonymous 04/05/10(Mon)13:10 No.541079
    Enemy Combatant, noun; Any person that you can murder without it being a crime.
    >> Anonymous 04/05/10(Mon)13:10 No.541080
    >>541060
    again, try watching the video, pop some ritalin if you can't stay focused for that long
    >> Anonymous 04/05/10(Mon)13:11 No.541097
    >>541070
    how about the testimony of people who were actually there?
    >> Anonymous 04/05/10(Mon)13:12 No.541101
    >>541070
    That didn't explain the blowing up of a building with civilians walking near it.
    >> Anonymous 04/05/10(Mon)13:12 No.541104
    what happens next/now?
    >> Anonymous 04/05/10(Mon)13:12 No.541109
    >>541077
    no, but you seem to assume that it's okay to kill them just because they live somewhere else.
    >> Anonymous 04/05/10(Mon)13:13 No.541113
    Ok, you know what i will do now?

    I will apply for the Iraqwar.

    I want to have my own highscore!
    >> Anonymous 04/05/10(Mon)13:13 No.541115
    >>541104
    what do you mean?
    >> Anonymous 04/05/10(Mon)13:14 No.541123
    >>541066

    this

    The gunner is in no state to be in that position. Judging from his pathetic pleading to see a weapon he'd see a beach ball as an AK-47.
    >> Anonymous 04/05/10(Mon)13:14 No.541125
    The first shooting was blurry an confusing.
    but when the van to rescue the injured guy, they have no reason to shoot at all. that shit is criminal.
    >> Anonymous 04/05/10(Mon)13:15 No.541133
    >>541125
    coming to the aid of enemy combatants bro
    >> Anonymous 04/05/10(Mon)13:15 No.541135
    >>541101
    >they shot unarmed civilians

    no they were armed

    >herp no i want to believe they were unarmed and that amerikka bad!

    they found an rpg on the body

    >i didn't see it in the video and they are lying

    the soldier was there and say an rpg, you weren't there

    >but they were unarmed

    back to the top
    >> kill muslim scum !bLroW7C6wQ 04/05/10(Mon)13:15 No.541137
    >>541109
    I assume it is ok to kill them because they would do the same to me.
    >> Anonymous 04/05/10(Mon)13:15 No.541139
    The first shooting was blurry and confusing.
    but when the van to rescue the injured guy, they have no reason to shoot at all. that shit is criminal.
    >> Anonymous 04/05/10(Mon)13:16 No.541143
    >>541139
    again, helping insurgents
    >> Anonymous 04/05/10(Mon)13:17 No.541150
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    Has anyone made a GIF of the opening volley on the group of 8 guys yet?
    >> Anonymous 04/05/10(Mon)13:17 No.541154
    >>541125
    Knowingly firing upon someone coming to the aid of an injured party is a war crime under the Geneva Convention.
    >> Anonymous 04/05/10(Mon)13:17 No.541156
    How is this a job to be hanging out with a bunch of guys in a town with rocket propelled grenades against US soldiers flying around in a giant metal death machine. And who brings a little girl to a gun fight?
    >> Anonymous 04/05/10(Mon)13:17 No.541159
    >>541137
    no, probably not.
    why would they?
    >> kill muslim scum !bLroW7C6wQ 04/05/10(Mon)13:18 No.541162
    >>541159
    ...because it is a war
    >> Anonymous 04/05/10(Mon)13:18 No.541163
    There's actually technically nothing illegal in the video. The guys picking up the bodies weren't medics, or at least were not identified as medics.

    If innocent people died then it was extremely unfortunately.
    >> Anonymous 04/05/10(Mon)13:18 No.541165
    >Knowingly firing upon someone coming to the aid of an injured party is a war crime under the Geneva Convention.

    Both sides have to agree to the geneva convention for it to apply.
    >> Anonymous 04/05/10(Mon)13:19 No.541168
    >>541154

    Not a war, bro

    It's an occupation.
    >> Anonymous 04/05/10(Mon)13:19 No.541169
    It's not unusual for journalists and their cameramen to be hanging our known insurgent leaders for interviews and suchlike.
    >> Anonymous 04/05/10(Mon)13:19 No.541172
    At 6:50 (long version), why is he egging him on? Does he actually want to shoot the guy? I don't want to have soldiers who see killing as desirable.
    >> kill muslim scum !bLroW7C6wQ 04/05/10(Mon)13:20 No.541178
    >>541172
    is this what liberals actually believe?
    >> Anonymous 04/05/10(Mon)13:20 No.541179
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    you haters mad just cause the US be stylin on you
    >> Anonymous 04/05/10(Mon)13:21 No.541182
    >>541165
    Actually not. During Vietnam the US and South Vietnamese complied to the Geneva Conventions while the North Vietnamese did not.
    >> Anonymous 04/05/10(Mon)13:21 No.541188
    >>541154
    >>541154
    >>541154
    lol. No its not.
    Only if they are marked as medics.
    Fucking idiot.
    >> Anonymous 04/05/10(Mon)13:22 No.541189
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    >>541066
    >> Anonymous 04/05/10(Mon)13:22 No.541192
    >>541162
    do you really believe, that this situation can be described as a war between the US' and the iraqi population?
    >> Anonymous 04/05/10(Mon)13:23 No.541197
    >>541192
    that's generally what an insurgency is
    >> Anonymous 04/05/10(Mon)13:23 No.541201
    >>541172
    You are a pussy.
    He wants to kill the guy because he is an enemy and would kill him if the situation was reversed.
    I would want to kill him because if he escapes he may come back and kill someone I know or kill more of my fellow troopers.
    >> Anonymous 04/05/10(Mon)13:24 No.541203
    >>541192

    It's not the US vs the Iraqi population though is it?

    It's the US and Iraq vs a small amount of Iraqis and foreigners.
    >> Anonymous 04/05/10(Mon)13:25 No.541218
    >>541172
    what are the links to the two versions? The version I saw was about 17 minutes, a youtube vid embedded on the collateral murder website.
    >> Anonymous 04/05/10(Mon)13:26 No.541222
    How is this a job? Why were their like 8 dudes bunched in a corner peaking around a corner?
    >> Anonymous 04/05/10(Mon)13:26 No.541226
    >>541201

    nice bravado there you prepubescent retard
    >> Anonymous 04/05/10(Mon)13:27 No.541233
    >>541201
    By using language like "You are a pussy" you are weakening the effect you are having on the enemies mind.
    >> Anonymous 04/05/10(Mon)13:28 No.541235
    >>541074

    I understand shit happens, civie deaths are always unavoidable, but the gunner and possibly the pilot in that video showed gross incompetance and unprofessionalism, so yes I think I can judge them on that, rather than had it been a simple mistake. It makes me uneasy and sad that this is the standard of our troops and what is supposed to be the greatest military in the world.

    >>541076

    I'm sure they do, what saddens me is the military felt it necessary to lie about the engagement and covered for these incompetant soldiers who for all I know are probably flying over Afganistan right now. Their actions only served to shame our military further
    >> Anonymous 04/05/10(Mon)13:28 No.541237
    >>541226
    No, just an army vet familiar with the thinking, but you go right on ahead thinking that if it keeps you warm at night.
    >> Anonymous 04/05/10(Mon)13:31 No.541252
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    >>541066
    >my face when i read this post
    >> Anonymous 04/05/10(Mon)13:31 No.541253
    >>541235
    >gross incompetance
    Where?
    If you had watched that video and been told that the slung objects were weapons instead of cameras you would have though the same thing as the Apache crew did.
    >unprofessionalism
    Where?
    They showed the utmost restraint and followed their ROE to the letter.
    >> Anonymous 04/05/10(Mon)13:31 No.541255
    >>541235

    To be honest you can have the absolute best guys ever but after months of living in a patrol base, lack of sleep, being constantly overworked, general fatigue, extreme pressure on a daily basis and having some of your best friends die it really takes it out of a person and they will not perform to the best of their abilities.

    At note for many reading this. Real life war isn't like a computer game.
    >> Anonymous 04/05/10(Mon)13:33 No.541266
    >>541255

    this
    >> Anonymous 04/05/10(Mon)13:33 No.541274
    >>541237

    nice bravado there you prepubescent retard
    >> Anonymous 04/05/10(Mon)13:36 No.541302
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    >>541274
    >> Anonymous 04/05/10(Mon)13:38 No.541323
    nice kill those sand niggers good
    >> Anonymous 04/05/10(Mon)13:45 No.541399
    >If you had watched that video and been told that the slung objects were weapons instead of cameras you would have though the same thing as the Apache crew did.

    What? No I wouldn't, if the military shot every ununiformed armed person it say, then they'd just be killing every PMC and security they came across. The armed group (2-3 guys at the most) didn't even point their weapons at the apache, and the rpg in my mind is just wishful thinking by the gunner so he could engage. Whether they received return fire is subjective (could be lying or not) but clearly you see in the camera that all men where dead before they lifted their weapons. As for the van, I don't think there was any justification for engaging it, it posed no threat and they clearly had made up their minds on engaging it as soon as it entered the vicinity.

    >unprofessionalism

    You cannot excuse the gunner vocally expressing his wishes for the wounded guy to pick up a weapon so he could engage, all it does is make him look eager to kill people who pose no threat (and that guy clearly wasn't going anywhere at that point), taking that comment, its easier to assume he wanted to kill those in the van even before he should have confirmed if they had weapons. And his quip about "right through the windshield"
    >> Anonymous 04/05/10(Mon)13:50 No.541431
    >>541399
    >The armed group (2-3 guys at the most) didn't even point their weapons at the apache
    So you can only shoot at people in a war zone who are shooting at you?
    Well then its time to scrap artillery and aircraft.
    (Think these things through a little better)
    >and the rpg in my mind is just wishful thinking by the gunner so he could engage
    >and the rpg in my mind is just wishful
    >the rpg in my mind is just
    >in my mind
    >my mind
    Thars your problem.

    >You cannot excuse the gunner vocally expressing his wishes for the wounded guy to pick up a weapon so he could engage

    He wants to kill the guy because he is an enemy and would kill him if the situation was reversed.
    >> Anonymous 04/05/10(Mon)14:01 No.541525
    >>541066
    good post
    >> Anonymous 04/05/10(Mon)15:18 No.542123
    How about we get the gunner's personal info? ;)



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