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    70 KB 20 ways obamacare will take away our freedoms Anonymous 03/23/10(Tue)21:02 No.427855  
    1. You are young and don’t want health insurance? You are starting up a small business and need to minimize expenses, and one way to do that is to forego health insurance? Tough. You have to pay $750 annually for the “privilege.” (Section 1501)

    2. You are young and healthy and want to pay for insurance that reflects that status? Tough. You’ll have to pay for premiums that cover not only you, but also the guy who smokes three packs a day, drink a gallon of whiskey and eats chicken fat off the floor. That’s because insurance companies will no longer be able to underwrite on the basis of a person’s health status. (Section 2701).

    3. You would like to pay less in premiums by buying insurance with lifetime or annual limits on coverage? Tough. Health insurers will no longer be able to offer such policies, even if that is what customers prefer. (Section 2711).

    4. Think you’d like a policy that is cheaper because it doesn’t cover preventive care or requires cost-sharing for such care? Tough. Health insurers will no longer be able to offer policies that do not cover preventive services or offer them with cost-sharing, even if that’s what the customer wants. (Section 2712).

    5. You are an employer and you would like to offer coverage that doesn’t allow your employers’ slacker children to stay on the policy until age 26? Tough. (Section 2714).
    >> Anonymous 03/23/10(Tue)21:02 No.427859
    6. You must buy a policy that covers ambulatory patient services, emergency services, hospitalization, maternity and newborn care, mental health and substance use disorder services, including behavioral health treatment; prescription drugs; rehabilitative and habilitative services and devices; laboratory services; preventive and wellness services; chronic disease management; and pediatric services, including oral and vision care.

    You’re a single guy without children? Tough, your policy must cover pediatric services. You’re a woman who can’t have children? Tough, your policy must cover maternity services. You’re a teetotaler? Tough, your policy must cover substance abuse treatment. (Add your own violation of personal freedom here.) (Section 1302).

    7. Do you want a plan with lots of cost-sharing and low premiums? Well, the best you can do is a “Bronze plan,” which has benefits that provide benefits that are actuarially equivalent to 60% of the full actuarial value of the benefits provided under the plan. Anything lower than that, tough. (Section 1302 (d) (1) (A))

    8. You are an employer in the small-group insurance market and you’d like to offer policies with deductibles higher than $2,000 for individuals and $4,000 for families? Tough. (Section 1302 (c) (2) (A).

    9. If you are a large employer (defined as at least 101 employees) and you do not want to provide health insurance to your employee, then you will pay a $750 fine per employee (It could be $2,000 to $3,000 under the reconciliation changes). Think you know how to better spend that money? Tough. (Section 1513).

    10. You are an employer who offers health flexible spending arrangements and your employees want to deduct more than $2,500 from their salaries for it? Sorry, can’t do that. (Section 9005 (i)).
    >> Anonymous 03/23/10(Tue)21:03 No.427865
    11. If you are a physician and you don’t want the government looking over your shoulder? Tough. The Secretary of Health and Human Services is authorized to use your claims data to issue you reports that measure the resources you use, provide information on the quality of care you provide, and compare the resources you use to those used by other physicians. Of course, this will all be just for informational purposes. It’s not like the government will ever use it to intervene in your practice and patients’ care. Of course not. (Section 3003 (i))
    12. If you are a physician and you want to own your own hospital, you must be an owner and have a “Medicare provider agreement” by Feb. 1, 2010. (Dec. 31, 2010 in the reconciliation changes.) If you didn’t have those by then, you are out of luck. (Section 6001 (i) (1) (A))

    13. If you are a physician owner and you want to expand your hospital? Well, you can’t (Section 6001 (i) (1) (B). Unless, it is located in a country where, over the last five years, population growth has been 150% of what it has been in the state (Section 6601 (i) (3) ( E)). And then you cannot increase your capacity by more than 200% (Section 6001 (i) (3) (C)).

    14. You are a health insurer and you want to raise premiums to meet costs? Well, if that increase is deemed “unreasonable” by the Secretary of Health and Human Services it will be subject to review and can be denied. (Section 1003)
    >> Anonymous 03/23/10(Tue)21:04 No.427867
    15. The government will extract a fee of $2.3 billion annually from the pharmaceutical industry. If you are a pharmaceutical company what you will pay depends on the ratio of the number of brand-name drugs you sell to the total number of brand-name drugs sold in the U.S. So, if you sell 10% of the brand-name drugs in the U.S., what you pay will be 10% multiplied by $2.3 billion, or $230,000,000. (Under reconciliation, it starts at $2.55 billion, jumps to $3 billion in 2012, then to $3.5 billion in 2017 and $4.2 billion in 2018, before settling at $2.8 billion in 2019 (Section 1404)). Think you, as a pharmaceutical executive, know how to better use that money, say for research and development? Tough. (Section 9008 (b)).
    >> Anonymous 03/23/10(Tue)21:04 No.427876
    16. The government will extract a fee of $2 billion annually from medical device makers. If you are a medical device maker what you will pay depends on your share of medical device sales in the U.S. So, if you sell 10% of the medical devices in the U.S., what you pay will be 10% multiplied by $2 billion, or $200,000,000. Think you, as a medical device maker, know how to better use that money, say for R&D? Tough. (Section 9009 (b)).

    The reconciliation package turns that into a 2.9% excise tax for medical device makers. Think you, as a medical device maker, know how to better use that money, say for research and development? Tough. (Section 1405).

    17. The government will extract a fee of $6.7 billion annually from insurance companies. If you are an insurer, what you will pay depends on your share of net premiums plus 200% of your administrative costs. So, if your net premiums and administrative costs are equal to 10% of the total, you will pay 10% of $6.7 billion, or $670,000,000. In the reconciliation bill, the fee will start at $8 billion in 2014, $11.3 billion in 2015, $1.9 billion in 2017, and $14.3 billion in 2018 (Section 1406).Think you, as an insurance executive, know how to better spend that money? Tough.(Section 9010 (b) (1) (A and B).)

    18. If an insurance company board or its stockholders think the CEO is worth more than $500,000 in deferred compensation? Tough.(Section 9014).

    19. You will have to pay an additional 0.5% payroll tax on any dollar you make over $250,000 if you file a joint return and $200,000 if you file an individual return. What? You think you know how to spend the money you earned better than the government? Tough. (Section 9015).

    That amount will rise to a 3.8% tax if reconciliation passes. It will also apply to investment income, estates, and trusts. You think you know how to spend the money you earned better than the government? Like you need to ask. (Section 1402).
    >> Anonymous 03/23/10(Tue)21:04 No.427877
    >You are young and healthy

    Yeah, because people get old and sick on purpose.
    >> Anonymous 03/23/10(Tue)21:05 No.427881
    20. If you go for cosmetic surgery, you will pay an additional 5% tax on the cost of the procedure. Think you know how to spend that money you earned better than the government? Tough. (Section 9017).
    >> Anonymous 03/23/10(Tue)21:05 No.427882
    >14. You are a health insurer and you want to raise premiums to meet costs?

    I loled
    >> Anonymous 03/23/10(Tue)21:05 No.427885
    all i see are 20 great ideas
    >> Anonymous 03/23/10(Tue)21:05 No.427886
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    21. Don't want copypasta from freerepublic that misinterprets the bill and capitalizes on the fact that most people won't give a shit about reading it? Tough. You have to handle that every day in /new/
    >> Anonymous 03/23/10(Tue)21:07 No.427901
    >>427881
    Soooo, morons shouldn't be taxed for wasting resources?
    >> Anonymous 03/23/10(Tue)21:10 No.427933
    >Think you know how to spend that money you earned better than the government? Tough.

    >cosmetic surgery

    >know how to spend your money
    >> Anonymous 03/23/10(Tue)21:12 No.427947
    >>427933
    >implying the government knows best for you and everyone else.
    >> Anonymous 03/23/10(Tue)21:12 No.427950
    >>427855
    >You’re a single guy without children? Tough, your policy must cover pediatric services. You’re a woman who can’t have children? Tough, your policy must cover maternity services. You’re a teetotaler? Tough, your policy must cover substance abuse treatment. (Add your own violation of personal freedom here.)

    Stopped reading right here. People ARE still bitching because they have to pay some money to make sure their country is a total shithole?
    HERP DERP I DONT LIVE IN NIGGERHOOD, WHY SHOULD I PAY POLICE AND PROBATION OFFICERS?
    >> Anonymous 03/23/10(Tue)21:13 No.427962
    >>427947

    >that actually wasn't at all what he was even close to implying, but i get that you may be trolling and that may have been your point, but still, i have to say, very poor job on that one.
    >> Anonymous 03/23/10(Tue)21:14 No.427968
    >>427882

    Yeah, how dare those evil health insurance companies try to stay profitable! Every time they raise premiums its just to screw us over and raise their (tiny) profit margin! It's not like paying for medical care for ten thousands of people is expensive, right?
    >> Anonymous 03/23/10(Tue)21:14 No.427972
    >>427947
    I'm sorry, the correct answer was
    >implying that people who get cosmetic surgery know how to spend their money

    And the corollary is no, no they don't

    Thanks for playing, come back soon
    >> Anonymous 03/23/10(Tue)21:15 No.427978
    >4. Think you’d like a policy that is cheaper because it doesn’t cover preventive care or requires cost-sharing for such care? Tough. Health insurers will no longer be able to offer policies that do not cover preventive services or offer them with cost-sharing, even if that’s what the customer wants. (Section 2712).

    Okay liberals, help me out on this one. What is the rationale behind this?
    >> Anonymous 03/23/10(Tue)21:15 No.427979
    wtfiamireading.jpeg
    >> Anonymous 03/23/10(Tue)21:16 No.427991
    >>427968
    You're right, they have a tiny profit margin of about 3-5% after taking billions for executive bonuses just like the banks. WE SHOULD FIGHT FOR REAL HEATH INSURANCE RIGHTS; THE COMPANIES! WHO'S WITH ME
    >> Anonymous 03/23/10(Tue)21:16 No.427993
    >>427855
    >implying anyone who reads free republic is young and healthy or is a doctor or is in anyway intelligent
    >> Anonymous 03/23/10(Tue)21:16 No.427994
    >>427968
    Yeah, I guess denying people over any loophole they can find doesn't get them rich anymore.
    >> Anonymous 03/23/10(Tue)21:17 No.427998
    >>427979
    Hideous wall of text written from the deepest heart of the Butthurt Jungle.
    >> Anonymous 03/23/10(Tue)21:18 No.428008
    >>427978
    Because customers who didn't read the fine print didn't realize that preventive care wasn't being covered. On the other hand, WHY THE FUCK WOULD YOU BUY HEALTH INSURANCE THAT DOESN'T COVER PREVENTIVE CARE.
    >> Anonymous 03/23/10(Tue)21:18 No.428010
    >>427881
    >If you go for cosmetic surgery, you will pay an additional 5% tax on the cost of the procedure. Think you know how to spend that money you earned better than the government? Tough. (Section 9017).

    thats good
    >> Anonymous 03/23/10(Tue)21:20 No.428036
    >Had an accident? Being young and healthy without health insurance sure would have worked well for you, huh.

    Americans are too stupid to know when they should have health insurance. Just give it to everyone.
    >> Anonymous 03/23/10(Tue)21:20 No.428047
    So, in other words, a lot of moderate, common sense solutions that reform the healthcare system without nationalizing it. It's hilarious to watch Republicans run away from Romneycare because they're partisan dickheads.
    >> problem conservatives? !!M5vE3ySlKcD 03/23/10(Tue)21:21 No.428051
    >>427978
    They become free....
    >> Anonymous 03/23/10(Tue)21:21 No.428058
    >>428010

    >Bawww, I wish I could afford lipo so I wouldn't be a fat, basement-dwelling landwhale!

    >So I'll express support for a bullshit tax on the internet!
    >> Anonymous 03/23/10(Tue)21:22 No.428067
    >>427950
    /thread
    >> Anonymous 03/23/10(Tue)21:24 No.428081
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    >>428058
    WOAH WOAH FRIENDLY FIRE

    NEXT TIME USE THE CALLSIGN SYSTEM

    MOVE OUT, SOLDIER
    >> Anonymous 03/23/10(Tue)21:24 No.428084
    >>427978
    if the customer wants that, then they're stupid.
    >> Anonymous 03/23/10(Tue)21:26 No.428106
    BECAUSE $57 A MONTH IS TOO MUCH FOR MY POOR POOR SELF

    I shit that out each month on video games, and I'm unemployed FFS
    >> Anonymous 03/23/10(Tue)21:30 No.428143
    >>427950
    >>427950

    All you faggots that don't understand the difference between how local police, ambulances, fire services, and schools are paid for via voluntary sales taxes (on people that choose to buy goods off the shelf, rather than buying used, or food from local farmers markets), and property taxes (only on people who choose to own property). And don't understand that roads are a Constitutional responsibility of the federal government, GTFO NOW.

    Trying to educate stupid people gets old.
    >> Anonymous 03/23/10(Tue)21:31 No.428170
    >>428008
    >Because customers who didn't read the fine print didn't realize that preventive care wasn't being covered.

    Penalizing everyone to stop people who don't bother to learn what plan they're buying from making mistakes seems unfair.

    >On the other hand, WHY THE FUCK WOULD YOU BUY HEALTH INSURANCE THAT DOESN'T COVER PREVENTIVE CARE.

    Because if the costs of something are constant there's no sense in having insurance for it. Why pay a yearly fee to a third party, so they can pay you that money back (minus their cut) when you get your yearly check-up?

    It would make sense for the insurance company to offer a subsidization of the care, to save themselves money in the future (paying for problems that went unnoticed). This shouldn't need to be forced, though, as it makes sense anyways.
    >> Anonymous 03/23/10(Tue)21:31 No.428173
    >>428143
    hurrrrr state uses income tax also
    >> Anonymous 03/23/10(Tue)21:32 No.428177
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    >>428143

    >thinks he's right
    >> Anonymous 03/23/10(Tue)21:36 No.428222
    >>428143
    >Constitutional

    It has been constitutional since FDR, bro. In b4 you pretend you know the intent of the constitution better than the SCOTUS.



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