ctrl+f "liberal
ctrl+f "conservative"

I see no reason to care about this thread.

Because Americans can distinguish between love and being smothered. We want our privacy, our space, it doesn't mean we don't love our parents.

>>357876
you forgot to search obama
oh he's not in here either

Wat? I thought the big problem in the US these days were that kids weren't moving out until their 30s, if then.

>>357896
are you joking? american kids all chomp at the bit to move out of their parents house, even if its to a condo across the street

Because if you stay at home pass the age of 18 you are a failure and a waste to society. Hell, I had to pay rent to my dad from when I turned 16 until he kicked me out the day after I turned 18.

>>357902
Why did this mentality develop in America and seemingly nowhere else?

America's coastal cities are fucking expensive. How the hell can someone expect a 20 year old barista to afford it without massive loans.

family relations arent exactly the best...

people also dont live with their relatives like in other countries...

my parents, my uncle and my grandparents are all next door neighbors in egypt... here in america we live alone, and i will most likely live where i can find a job...

No clue OP. My family isn't like.

>>357902
>Because if you stay at home pass the age of 18 you are a failure and a waste to society

That is an idiotic statement, it is pointless to move out prematurely unless you like wasting money.

>>357902
This attitude is a major part of our debt driven society. It's almost like the media encourages it to make everyone get into a ton of debt at the start of adulthood so they're paying off some loans or cards until they die and have paid thousands and thousands of dollars over the principle.

>>357907
You are supposed to have a job and be able to support yourself. I got a job at the local truck stop making $6.00 an hour and was able to live quit comfortably in a one bedroom apartment.

>>357930
where was this, west texas?

>>357930
You are really expecting everybody to be able to get a job 100% of the time? Even at the best of times there are often simply not enough jobs to go around.

>>357930
Lol, live comfortably on under $12,000 a year? You fucking with us?

>>357864
Because if they stay home they'll become basement dwelling WoW players.

>>357939
Georgia.

>>357941
The military is always hiring. I did my 4 years and am now better for it.

>>357965
Not everyone is willing to sell their soul to the government.

>>357930
Don't try. You'll be considered to be living in poverty unless you 'own' 2 cars and a house with wall spanning Televisions in each room, even if it is all putting you into unmanageable debt.

>>357962
Yeah, you just have to do without somethings, like cable, and have to budget your grocery bill. I got by pretty well on about $20 a week on groceries.

>>357971
Or you can live more comfortably with your parents, help out with their bills if you don't want to be a mooch until you are finished with schooling and have a steady job that pays (*gasp*) maybe even double digits an hour.

I moved out at age 18. Just couldn't stand living with the parents anymore. Being on your own means freedom.

>>357983

Unless it takes lots of loans and credit to gain that freedom, then you're just trading one kind of slavery for another.

>>357983
freedom from the people who clothed and fed you

slavery to a faceless bank

>>357982
Like I said, my old man kicked my out of the house the day after I turned 18, as I recall he said "Your 18, I am no longer legally responsible for you. Get the fuck out of my house," throwing a copy of the town's paper at me. My sister, who dropped out of high-school, is making about $12 an hour at the local chicken factory. She is supporting herself and her kid pretty well.

I graduated from college last spring, and I lived with my parents that whole time, when I wasn't in a dorm, of course. Now, it's been almost a year, and I'm still living with them for a variety of reasons, though if I can finalize a job to replace my current one (which ends in May), then I will finally be moving out.

It kinda sucks, mainly because our house is very small and cluttered so I can't have people over. I also feel like a bit of a failure at times, though everyone I talk about it with praises me for being smart and just building up more extra money for when I eventually do go out. There are good and bad aspects of it, just like everything.

24 here, still living with parents.

I have to pay rent and half the bills, but I have a sneaking suspicion that most of my $350 a month goes towards the credit card bills my mother has accumulated over the years and the back child support my stepfather is still tied to.

If I could find a full-time job around here, I'd be in my own place with no problems.

Really any parent who kicks you out at 18 is a cunt, they should let you live there you until you go away to university or get a good job.

>>357999
lol fucking white trash.

I never understood this mentality - hey why not go one better and never raise your kids at all, just like niggers do in Detroit or Africa, they can always steal or loot for food, and learn to rape women all on their own!

>>357999
Sounds like your problem is a shit parent. I say if you aren't willing to be responsible for your kid until they're out of college and employed, and even after that willing to help out when they need it you probably shouldn't have had children. I was raised to believe that when you choose to have a child you sacrifice everything for them and if you can't or aren't willing to do that you don't have a child.

>>357992
>>357991

I have no debt except student loans. Currently 25 with a good job and a large pool of savings. After 4 years, I have paid off half my student loans(was 18,000 dollars at graduation, now ~9,000).

I agree somewhat, though. I would not have moved out if doing so would have sunk me deep in debt. I get by cause I am a cheapskate.

You're all missing out on the most obvious answer.

Getting laid. Nobody wants to bring somebody to their domicile only to tell them before they get in "We have to keep it down. My parents are sleeping."

Haha, here in Scandinavia(not telling which country exactly) whwn we go study we get free money from state. I'm not even studying and i get enough money to live in a city and drink beer all night.

>>358023
And that is why your country is being overrun with Muslims.

I'm 28 and I still live at home.

I could easily move out, but what the fuck is the point?

I work all the time, so why would I pay rent money for some overpriced hole in the wall where all I will do is shit, eat, and sleep, when I can just give my parents the money that covers what little resources I use, and actually build up wealth. Houses are fucking overpriced as fuck right now as well. My parents bought their first house for less than 30,000 brand new. Nowadays, if you want something decent, and in a good neighborhood that isn't filled with spics and niggers, thats gonna run you over 200,000. Want it brand new? Add another 150,000. Plus taxes, lot fees, etc.

I don't understand this concept either, I know a lot of people who say YOU HAVE TO MOVE OUT ON YOUR OWN AND LEARN RESPONSIBILITY, and then 5 years later they are completely fucking broke, minus 50K in debt because of loans and credit cards, and can't even afford to feed their goddamn cats because they lived like a prince on their popper salary.

I thought responsibility included being financially responsible. Once you take out financial responsibility, I'm not really sure whats left. I think what they really meant is "YOU NEED TO MOVE OUT SO YOU CAN SMOKE POT, DRINK, FUCK TONS OF CHICKS/DUDES, PLUS SLEEP IN AND SKIP WORK THE NEXT DAY WITHOUT GETTING LECTURED"

Anyways, I don't really give a shit. If I'm a loser because I live at home, I'd rather be a loser with a shitload of money in the bank, than some COOL FUCKING DUDE WITH HIS OWN PLACE living paycheck to paycheck, and having roommates when I'm fucking 40

The reason for this is because America doesn't really have a defined residency culture

Japan for instance, living with ones parents is much more normal, especially back in the day. This was because land was scarce but also because a house and property wasnt just a thing you bought a mortgage for, it was a piece of Japan your family and ancestors owned and probably fought to attain

In other cultures, this is also the case. The 2-acre plot of land your parents live in is your families inheritance, your great great great grandfather probably won the land by stealing it, or dueling with a competitor or being granted it in a lucky land deed from the local king or maybe he discovered the place and wrestled a bunch of bears and built the first house with their bloody pelts and some sticks

In the US, the mentality is to consume, spread spread spread. However, with the current economic clusterfuck and home mortgage crisis, this obsession has hit a wall of reality and crashed. The mentality to move out as soon as possible and get your own mass-produced suburban house or apartment is still strong as is the social stigma of being near your family kin past a certain age, the problem is that the economics no longer support this American mentality anymore in many places

>>357864
In most of the rest of the world, people have no choice in whether they move out or not.

But the American way of moving out early developed in the 50's. The economy was booming, and anybody fresh out of high school could get a factory job earning a decent wage that would allow them to live independently. So, people left home as early as possible, because they could.

Also, >>358017

>>358044

I forgot to add, I wish I grew up in the 70s like my parents did. All I hear is how hard they had it, when they grew up in one of the strongest economies in history. You could literally fail high school, walk into the nearest factory, join the union, and be making 6 figures and a pension after 25 years.

I'd like to see them fucking try that these days. If they grew up now, they'd be fucking eaten alive.

>>358044

You are correct good sir. The only people who say you should move out are those that live in hick town as it's too impractical everywhere else.

>>358017

Actually, that's another thing. The US has a pretty fucked up disorder about sexuality, while in other parts of the world you could have sex with your girlfriend on the dinner table and mom and dad would just walk by

>>358058

yeah thats true. Everyone I know in their early 20s is from some fucking hillbilly town with 1000 people in it, and they came here to go to school.

And their parents pay for their apartment here on top of it.

FUUUUUUUUU. Well, at least they put out super easy and have their own place.

Haha Americans and their debt. Here in Scandinavia we move out to study with state money. Suffer.

Because the Western civilization is slowly collapsing. For centuries extended families have dominated in the West just like in the rest of the world. Then it gave way to the nuclear family which itself is now starting to disintegrate with the rise of single-parent households. In the end only feral individuals will remain.

>In the end only feral individuals will remain.

And one feral individual will rule them all

>>358069
And you pay for it with 70% taxes for the rest of your life. Lolgoodsystembro

i have a trust fund that supplies me with 10 grand every month for the rest of my life. i have no debt, own my house outright and two cars also.

feels good man.

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>>358094
I mad.

>>358094
Well, you certainly can't complain- my parents support me and will do so until next year (going to be graduating from Uni) - but damn, 10 k a month? Maybe you could use that money to start a business or make something out of yourself.

I'm a lawyer, am 27 and I live with my parents. I am probably happier and more successful than most people of my age.

Me and my girlfriend (soon to be wife) are moving to the UK these days, though. Not because of some silly "lol maturity" thing (because seriously, if the society of the US feel that "living alone" means shit, THEY ARE FUCKING RETARDED), but because we can stand on our own now (she's a doctor).

Damn, feels good to be successful.

Probably because they can afford it better.

US housing is cheap because land is plentiful/cheap compared to Europe and the build quality is much lower than houses in Europe (wood instead of brick)

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>>358133

i spend a lot of it on travel. i just got done hiking the AT all the way and will start on the continental divide next year with my girlfriend.

>>358152
cost of living on either coast is comparable to most of europe...

and few americans move TO the midwest/south

>>358156
A shitload of Americans move to Texas when the economy shits itself, like right now. They've done that every time the economy is bad, it happens like every 15 years or so.

>>358154
>>358154
enjoy your wonderful life. yeah I mad.

>>358160
isn't texas still itching for more people?

austin seems nice

>>358165
Everywhere BUT Austin is itching for people. Now that Seattle and Portland can be called expensive even by people on the east coast, hipsters have swarmed Austin.

San Antonio has more jobs than people, though. It's great.

>>357864
Because we're terribly spoiled in this country by a high standard of living for most people. The average teenager feels impoverished if they don't have an iPod and a PS3 or Xbox 360. In other parts of the world 'impoverished' isn't even so much not having a decent roof over your head or being flat broke, it's not being able to find decent food on the shelves at the market and/or having to claw your way through the crowd to get to the food before it's all gone. The average American teenager wouldn't last a week in some parts of the world, probably wouldn't last more than a few hours in some places.

>>358023
...why exactly aren't you telling us which country? holy fuck are you kimmo? he does still live with his mom....

>>358142
>Damn, feels good to be a gangster.
Fix'd it for you.

>>358142
>>358142
im 19 turning 20, without a job, and living at with parents. feels bad not to have money to go to college. can i be successful without being a rich yuppy. i mean, i really dont give a damn if im rich, and im in no hurry to rush out on my parents.. in fact i dont even give a damn about going to college or getting a job. SHIT im happy just the way i am!!! FUCK YOU WORLD!!!! IM MY OWN SOVEREIGN HUMAN BEING!!!!

>>358291
Austin used to be a simple college town with some old white people and gov workers mixed in.

Now it's full of out-of-towners who are the real hipsters.

23, living with parents. It's a win-win situation.
I clean and cook and do chores while looking for a job while I get free living expenses. We give each other company.
I think the only benefit of moving out early is privacy for sex.
But my parents would rather see me saving my money for the future by living at home instead of wasting it on my own place. I don't care about the stigma attached to living at home; I'll be the one laughing when I have an extra $20,000+ in the bank for every year until I decide to move out and start a family.

>>358308
Its always been really bad imho. I know all sorts of non-Texans go "LOL TEXAS IS SO GAY (EXCEPT AUSTIN THATS COOL)" but the town is full of college students, that is NEVER a good thing. As much as I hate the pollution and niggers in Houston, at least I can get good service nearly every place I go.

>>358323
Aren't Houston's suburbs really cheap/safe/nigger-free?

>>358335
There are parts of some suburbs that have cheap houses that are nigger free. Its really very hit-and-miss. What people do here before moving in anyplace, whether its a house or an apartment, is go by the prospective new place on a Saturday night, real late, and see whats happening. Some neighborhoods that look good during the day can become nigger hangouts by night, or Mexican shoot-o-ramas.

If you want a GUARANTEED nigger-free neighborhood, you will pay for it; I.e. The Woodlands, certain areas inside the 610 loop, Kingswood. Or if you can stand driving a while to get to work, Conroe is cheap and white.

>>358308
born and raised Austinfag here
Austin is awesome but the secret got out (too many damn magazines saying "best place to live!") and now people from other states are flooding in to nip at our good economy and happy workforce. The traffic is getting so bad that I fear it's going to end up like Houston or Dallas some day.
STOP MOVING HERE, GET THE FUCK OUT.

20 year old student here, living in NYC, with parents.

25k a year sticker price for my college kinda forces me into making do without lots of things, including privacy and independence. Right now it is my third year in college, 2 more years until I get my nursing license and will be able to FEED myself while paying for a MINIMUM of 900$/month apartment AND be capable of paying off an expected school debt of 75k.

Why am I eager move? Privacy, independence, I DON'T WANT TO LEECH OFF MY PARENTS, respectability (because deep down, it does hurt a bit when your parents answer the phone for you and then yell "Paul, honey, there's a lady on the phone!")

My parents are helping with college, and are co-signers for most of my loans. Feels bad, man.

>>358389
I dunno why there is such a shame associated with living with one's parents. It's weird having someone answer the phone for you, but only because everyone has a cell phone these days (get one) instead of a home phone.
It's easy to make jokes about someone in their 20s living with their parents, but why is it even such a big deal, as long as the person is also working?

>>358415

Because I'm NOT working, while I CAN work.

Sure, I'm furthering my education and what-not, but nearly everyone I know is working at least part time and helping pay the bills. I'm exacerbating the financial burden of my parents by my selfishness to further my career in the future.

>>358358
Seattleite here. Basically went through this in the 90s and the process is complete.

Here's what you should expect. Prepare accordingly:

1. Way more skyscrapers
2. More music festivals as people aren't satisfied with just SXSW.
3. Condos everywhere. Even more than today.
4. Cost-of-living increases about 250%. Stake your housing claim asap.
5. City moves even further left, politically.
6. Birth rate plummets. We have more dogs than people under 10 now. Expect something like that.
7. Every neighborhood loses what made it unique. Seattle had a Scandinavian fishermen's enclave called Ballard. Now it's just hipsters who think "omg i am blue collarz lulz". And that's just one example.

I think OP actually poses an interesting question. we look down on young adults who stay with their parents until they're financially sound even though it's very common in the rest of the world.

for me, my mom was driving me crazy. I couldn't take her ups and downs anymore, and also we moved really far from where I grew up after high school and I hated it, so I moved back to the midwest. yeah I'm in debt, but if you're a student in America you're going to be in debt, no two ways about it.

>>358451

i would gladly slaughter hipsters in cold blood

>>358451
it's already happening; ffffffffffuuuuu

I'm just sick of the fucking TRAFFIC and poor people coming here for work. We don't have the roads to deal with this shit. Couldn't even get a flight back into Austin for this weekend (end of spring break) because of the fucking SXSW crowds selling out EVERY GODDAMN PLANE coming here this weekend.

And downtown used to be awesome; now I can't go there without being harassed by homeless black people. I used to work in downtown Austin and drunk niggers passed out in front of the building used to scare business away. We could see (from our office windows) black people trying to break into our cars almost daily. It's hard to be sympathetic and "oh you poor things" to these people. How does a city get rid of them?

I love living in a beach town that no one gives a fuck about with a low cost of living unless you live directly on the beach. Nice, quiet, affordable.

>>358471
By pricing them out.

Seattle's nigger district is pretty much gone now, absorbed by the nieghborhoods surrounding it.

Hipsters are gonna get rid of the mudslimes. That's all the good they bring.

the only way to escape hipsters is to move to the real "redneck" areas. it's definitely worth it

>>358479

Not sure which I would dislike less; hipsters or muslims.....

>>358479
How do you price them out? Instead of raising costs to drown them out, their presence is making property values fall. The owner of the building I worked in would complain all the time that he wanted to develop the surrounding area into nice businesses and condos but it was hard to raise the value/desirability of the area with niggers dealing drugs in every alley and stopping everyone who walks by for change.

The hipsters don't bother me because they were always in Austin and bring good restaurants with them.

I moved out when I was 21. To me it feels great to have a home of your own and to live by your own rules and have the freedom to cook how you want to clean how you want to. Experiment with different decor and different brands of cleaning products and foods. A lot of people's parents are set in their own ways, and their ways may be fucked up. People just want to breathe esp. when they're adults. I'm currently living with my fiancee's mother for 5 mos. at the most but its only because I chose to relocate and I've already found work where I'm at so I expect to have my own home very soon. I do have a lot of debt but it wasn't from my time on my own. My mother had pretty much destroyed my credit by the time I had turned 18. She took out a lot of joint bank accounts and credit cards and I guess the banks and creditors didn't mind her training a junior debtor. I plan to file for bankruptcy though to wipe it all out and move forward.

At the end of the day there's a lot to consider. But in my experience I've seen that mostly people with functional families who care about one another have parents that will let them stay however long it takes for them to get on their feet AND they will not charge them for it. Its mostly the fucked up families that either a.) kick their kids out or b.) the kids can't stand the family so much that they have to leave at all costs.

In Soviet Finland, government pays student rent.

>>358440

This is what parents are suppose to do though.

>>358389

seriously why the fuck don't you have a cell phone

you can go to fucking 7-11 and buy one, and buy an airtime card that lasts for a whole year

theres really no excuse for having to share a land line with your parents, its not fucking 1980 anymore.

Americans are socialized that way. We were taught by our media and our peers that we have to move out as soon as we are 18. You're expected to support yourself by getting a job, even if it's a shitty fast food job.

But with the Great Recession, all of that is slowly changing. These days, even with a minimum wage job you can't rent a decent apartment unless you are willing to live in a crime-ridden area.

bympo

.

Been home for almost 23 years, possibly 2 more if I get in to the school I want

My friend made fun of me for still living with my parents and going to a CC & says I need to be independent

Funny thing, we started going to school at the same time, she has no degrees and I have two. Her parents also pay for everything

>>357864
Pic isnt including the vlalue of properties they earn or the paychecks they bring in that could easily pay back the debt.

>>359349
>isnt including the vlalue of properties they earn
I'm sure they'd like to give up their house or cars to pay their debts

>paychecks they bring in that could easily pay back the debt
Because debt is more important than food or water

Family could keep the house I grew up in once my dad split, so I decided to move in with a roommate when I was 16. It would have been awkward to have stayed with one of my parents when one already set himself up a girlfriend and the other was mentally deranged from family issues.

>>359362
>doesnt know how credit works

>>359364
couldn't*

Sorry.

NIGGERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

>>358056

Holy shit, was America really that awesome? No wonder so many people are blindly nationalistic. What the fuck happened?

>>359888
>What the fuck happened?
Reaganomics.

Can't get laid if you live with your parents, can't be happy if you can't get laid.

http://www.singularity2050.com/2010/01/the-misandry-bubble.html

Same reason we obsess over virginity and fashion. It's just about being accepted.

In America , the people who stay with their folks generally do so out of a failure to thrive.

>>359907
Is there any proof of this or are you talking out of your ass?

>>359909
I think 4chan offers proof of this daily.

>>359914
lol truth stated

>>359888
1) Jews forcing integration and making it so that any cheap neighbourhood = nigger-majority slum
2) Corporate fucks outsourcing everything and fucking over the American worker

>>358006
yeah agreed very lol this is living to these people.

>>359894
This is an INSANELY great article, every man reading this thread should read it, seriously.

>>358451
also in Seattle quoting this for truth.

>>358552
i gotta agree with you man. it's not like cell phones are hard/expensive to get these days.

>>359894
whatthefuckamireading.jpg

Hehheh, I'm living with my parents, 20 in April, and after taking out HEX I think my net worth is at least $2000, possibly more.