>what does that say about teens?
Noting?

>people like me
>on the /new/ board of 4chan
Could try a mental ward? Jokes aside OP, I know what you mean. Most people our age aren't even aware of the patriot act, let alone what it does

or am i just a fucking nerd?

they're all slaves

Yeah, I have the same problem.

A few days before the elections, I said something like, "I'm still not quite sure who I'm going to vote for." A friend of mine said, "there are elections coming up?" I had to explain to him that there are elections every two years.

When the elections actually happened, I was hanging with the same friend watching the results. He asked why Obama wasn't running again this year.

He also told me he doesn't care about politics because it "doesn't affect him."

This generation is fucked. Everyone should have a basic knowledge of how the government works and at least keep up with events by checking out multiple news sources. If you have an uneducated and apathetic populace, the government can get away with all sorts of crazy and stupid shit.

>>3370326

do they teach this stuff in school?

Adults are just as bad.
Try joining your local committee. Whatever your party there is a youth group. Begin in your county or city and you can find more.

I was talking with a close friend of mine today about the stripping of free speech rights, and he said one of the most idiotic things I have ever heard in my life.

"As long as it doesn't happen to me I dont care"

I'm in the same boat as you OP, its frustrating having no one to talk to about anything political or newsworthy.

where do you try to spark said conversations?
if its at the pub/night out etc. ofc no one cares
if its with like minded people in a social situation during the day then i can only assume youre doing it wrong

Join a party or activist group or campaign or something. There are politicised youth out there, you just need to find them.

>>3370388

everywhere, the only place i can have a nice discussion is with my sociology teacher, i live in WI btw

>>3370291

others like you face the same problem and if you investigate a bit you should find them. In my High School I noticed a group that frequented the city library as I did. It was a clique composed of the smartest kids in my class.
Till then I was content with no studying and getting C's. I took a few books home, got all A's and was accepted into their group.
College was full of politicized people. If you aren't in school hang around one.

>>3370291

YES!!

recently i was dropped from most of my friends cause i didnt want to get fuuuuuuuucked up all night and wake up with hangovers, they thought i was weird cause i watch the news so they stopped coming over, i asked them to come vote with me, but they all said fuck that...wish we were friends OP

>>3370291

Hello 19 year old, I'm a 32 year old.

When I talk with the *average* adult, I have the exact same problem. I talk about world events and people are like "um wat"?

This is going to sound classist in a way, and it IS classist, but you need to find people who are like minded as yourself. People who have an interest in the world outside their front door. They do exist, you yourself are proof of it.

My solution was to hang out with people older than myself. I found at 19 that most of my good friends were 25 or older, with a few very bright teenagers who shared the same interests as me, and I loved it that way.

When you're a person who doesn't fit into the norm, you have to seek out exceptional people who also don't fit into the norm. You can't change society, you have to find those in society who share your ideas.

>>3370341
We went to the same high school and you had to take a class in U.S. Government in order to graduate.

21yo Blue collar worker here.

I have daily conversations about politics with my friends and co-workers.

It seems only the working poor care about the country anymore.

"YOU MAY CRUSH MY SOUL!...but you will never take my boots."

>>3370406
WI means nothing to me im afraid
In non compulsory education im yet to come across someone who doesn't at least try
not being a sheep among one crowd and being social-able is the only real advise that comes to mind
Or its possible youre just trying to hard and need to learn that conversations tend to happen organically and forcing conversations rarely work

Here you go OP! This may help explain the situation...you show signs of intelligence, fight the good fight! lol
http://wikicompany.org/wiki/911:Mass_neurosis
>"Plastic People" struggle with managing their own reality and feel a strong need create ideological and artificial securities. To hold on to and defend their dogmatic beliefs and/or want to escape the sensation of natural living (religions, drug abuse, TV, obesity, consumerism, etc.). These people do this even against a tide of evidence that they are misguided on important issues. The ultimate reason for this state of denial and confusion is a set of primal, mainly subconscious psycho-emotional fears. Most importantly the fear of rejection by the mother, family, friends, school, their partner and other parts of society. This is the fear of not belonging and of not experiencing truly loving relationships. The 'below-the-radar' fear management causes chronic forms of psychosomatic stress and holds back a persons true natural flowering potential.

OP here i have a idea, im going to start a website where the youth can have discussions, debates, ideas, and what not, something like a forum, im going to try and advertise in colleges libraries and random places

>>3370488
Good work bro. Just don't advertise it on here for fucks sake.

21, know how you feel op, have tried to talk to people about the wikileaks shit, very few know or care most that have heard of it havent paid attention to anything that was leaked, most people i meet IRL treat politics, science and economics they way you would treat film genres having likes and dislikes

>>3370488
your website will never take off , those sites are a dime a dozen and many also have hidden agendas leaning left or right

>>3370486

so wait im a plastic person? i take that offensive? and dont quite get what that means

>>3370549

well i guess you can call me a liberal but im not to far left. I like some conservative ideas and i dont reject any ideas

>>3370568
and consciously or unconsciously you will push that agenda in someway, or you will overcompensate and counter your own agenda

I don't care about politics or voting. I never plan on voting ever in my life.

I'm just here in new for the occasional serious conversation and the racist trolling.

>>3370291

When I was 19 years old, I was busy spending my time ejaculating inside of females, then getting drunk. Fucking A, why else would I not? god damn it

>>3370291
>Came to new
>Looking for conversation

You sure are a faggot! Half of these threads are jews did (Insert everything here) and the other half are full of people acting like niggers over actions taken by niggers.

OP you aren't any better.

You still actually vote, like it means something.

Fucking sheep.

im 16 and i have the same problem OP our generation is stupid as fuck

>>3370714

ALL OF MY HATE.

>>3370801
Are you suggesting that voting does something?

Sup OP. I feel the same. If you want we can AIM or MSN. I know it's not the same as chatting face to face but nevertheless you will be talking to a human who cares about this shit.

Oh and I'm, living in the UK at the moment.

Captcha: cannot distort

FROM HISPANIC ( "Ghetto cultured") YOUTH
> It's all a conspiracy man, the government is just taking all of our money
>Votes never count
>Why do I need to memorize who the fuck Abraham Lincon was, who gives a fuck!
>Why does the government want me to take this stupid citizen test!? I don't understand, it's too hard.
>Calling myself an american is a slap to my country's face, [Mexico] . . . (despite the fact this person was born in America).

Fuck, as a person of Mestizo roots, I hate my kind, for the record I'm not fucking Mexican. I've only found a handful of people who at least want to educate themselves with the world around us, rather than live in their hispanic fantasy land. Despite being the largest minority group in America, it will take generations for hispanics to realize their own muscle, politically.

Good universities usually are a good place to have such discussions

I was a history/politics major the last 2 years and most people understood the basics of politics as things currently stand. What I found was most people were much weaker on history and scarcely had a clue most of the time

All of Generations Y and Z are utterly fucked. X will be as well by the time they reach retirement. Y will get ruined, forced to help their ill-prepared parents and Boomers, in the middle of an imploded economy, making it very difficult to afford and raise children. Gen Z will probably see some recovery but will still be buttfucked by the whole thing as well, in almost the same way unless something changes dramatically

TLDR engage in university politics, try to survive the bullshit ahead for Gen Y

I'd be willing to get on MSN with some of you guys for some intelligent discussion. /new/ is mostly trolling, and the majority of people in society are to caught up in there own little worlds.

I'm 22, looking for intelligent people for interesting discussion.

Talking about politics is going to make you no friends. I bet a few of them are intentionally acting ignorant because they arent socially retarded and know that religion and politics are topics to avoid.

>>3370870
Oh and by the way, sorry for any grammatical errors I may have. Being raised by people who refuse to learn english, at least my father tried though, I have a hard time writing formally than your average correct-english-speaking-person.

Okay, I'll go first. I'm 20 and in the UK (as above).

My MSN is: Sobergoblin@hotmail.com

Feel free to add me if you wanna chat politics/religion/etc.

mee too, how do we set this up (28 Europe)

>>3370828

Casting a ballot is a embodiment of your will as a citizen of your country.

Aside from national elections your local elections have some of the greatest impact on your life.

If you don't vote you have no right to complain about the direction of the country, You did voice support or opposition in the proper outlet. You just sit in your chair and thwack away at the keys of your computer emptying all of your views on the internet where they evaporate into cyberspace.

AND....YOU....,CALL THE PEOPLE THAT VOTE SHEEP??!?!?!?!?

ALL.
OF.
MY.
HATE.

>>3370937
Misguided. Misinformed. How about you do some research on political systems other than capitalistic-pseudo-democracies before you cast your opinion.

What about a tiny ch@t room dedicated to intelligent discussion?

4chan and /new/ stuff will not be allowed, it will be a "normal" place. I'll mod anyone out who starts with 4chan crap.

>>3370972
by /new/ stuff do you mean /stormfront/ stuff?

>>3370972

This is relevant to my interests. Set it up!

>>3370937
Lol, what a tard.

Voting merely legitimises the system where you have no real choice. No matter who you vote for the power strutctures are the same. No matter who you vote for the same corporations, lobby groups and rich interests control out lives.

If you think that voting alone is worthwhile and meaningful then you are a sheep.

so the op is asking...

where can you find teenagers that think they are unique and special without anyone around who can relate to them?

yeah those are rare

>>3370976
Well the memes mainly, and I'd like to keep everything civilized. Not the 'hurr durr youre a faggot for disagreeing with me!" bullshit.

So if it is presented in a manner that warrants discussion, true logical discussion it's fine, but as soon as it just starts to become a shitfest of rampant racism of no scientific, logical, or intelligent merit, banned.

>>3370937
What upsets me is the ignorance people have with history. I'm sure they ( the idiots who claim voting has no value) have heard about people in history fighting for their right to vote, but I"M PRETTY DAMN SURE they don't understand the sheer magnitude of its importance. It upsets me the fight our forefathers have fought for, our rights to vote, has been deduced to idiots bickering about "the man," "corporations," and " big government." These same idiots who love to hear about irrelevent conspiracies of the 9/11 being an inside job.

>>3370291
Okay, you don't have a right to complain. At least you don't have friends who are radical leftists who honestly believe corporations are out to get them, nuclear energy is more dangerous than nuclear weapons and that every person who is in the right is the next Hitler. I rather have friends who are apathetic about politics than ones who are ignorant of everything about it.

Yep i will join too

We can have certain themes and everybody gets his/hers say

>>3370972
>>3370996

Do want

>>3371004
Well done, you have completely failed to analyse the historical context of those struggles. At the time, the same complex mechanisms of disenfranchisement that countries such as the United States have, did not exist. Back then voting actually meant something but on its own could STILL not deliver real meaningful change for working people.

No matter who you vote for, the same power groups are in charge. Whether it is Obama or McCain or corporate puppet #3 there will only be minor differences in policy but absolutely no challenge to the dominant ruling order. Working people will continue to be crushed and exploited and the interests of the rich will continue to be pushed.

Tiny ch@t name is biergarten

come on in!

Intelligent discussion room. 4chan memes and bullshit not allowed. Keep it civil, and everyone is encouraged to contribute. We'll be open to all manner of topics and discussions, everything is fair game, just provide logical reasoning to back up why you think something is. Countering is encourage. Try to use links to back up your claim.

Also, keep an open mind. As soon as you get mad and upset because somebody tore apart a theory of yours, don't go around calling everybody faggots or you are out.

Anyways, main point is, this is place for people who want to get away from the plastic society and the more silly 4chan. Intelligent discussion is encouraged, ultimately let's have fun and I hope we all learn something form one another in our sharing of knowledge!

>>3370980
>>3370976


Come on in guys.

Everyone else as well.

>>3371010
>>3371028

>>3371057