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  • Kimmo Alm aka "Sysop" from AnT has been spamming us for YEARS now, and has recently stepped it up. This shit has got to fucking stop. As promised, here are all of the e-mails he has sent me over the years (and my responses).

    We've done all we can do about him. We've banned THOUSANDS of proxies, and deleted OVER A HUNDRED THOUSAND spam posts. His attacks continue though, and we've reached the limit of what we can do.
    edit: we aren't going to add captcha.

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    37 KB Anonymous 03/13/10(Sat)04:30 No.333452  
    Goddamn texas is such a shithole. Why don't those faggots secede already. They literally bring nothing to the table.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2010/03/13/education/13texas.html?ref=education

    http://shapleigh.org/system/reporting_document/file/255/Texas_on_the_Brink_2009_website_final.pdf

    Pic related, worst state in the union.
    >> Anonymous 03/13/10(Sat)04:34 No.333473
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    fuck you Texas is awesome
    >> Anonymous 03/13/10(Sat)04:35 No.333477
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    fuck yeah texas
    >> Anonymous 03/13/10(Sat)04:44 No.333494
    >>333473
    >>333477
    were those the first google images results for "degenerate"?
    >> Anonymous 03/13/10(Sat)04:51 No.333505
    You mean mexico?
    >> Anonymous 03/13/10(Sat)04:52 No.333507
    ahhh, north mexico.

    yes, it should secede
    >> Anonymous 03/13/10(Sat)04:55 No.333513
    If the south are the niggers of America, Texas is their tribal lord :c
    >> Anonymous 03/13/10(Sat)05:00 No.333538
    >>333494

    u maek funny
    >> Anonymous 03/13/10(Sat)05:06 No.333559
    butthurt liberals butthurt because true american history will be taught instead of filling the books with jay-z and ru paul
    >> Anonymous 03/13/10(Sat)05:56 No.333647
    Texas is anti-science, what else is new?
    >> Anonymous 03/13/10(Sat)05:59 No.333653
    >>333559
    8/10 you'll get someone.
    >> Anonymous 03/13/10(Sat)06:04 No.333661
    >>333505
    >>333507

    California is more Mexico than Texas is. Since Texas is not a liberal state, we're not giving it up to Mexico as easily as Californians are, even though wetbacks and their anchor babies are fucking everywhere.


    And I am in Texas and think you guys are asses for falling into th liberal spin the media is placing on it. The only thing they're trying to do is bring balance to the history books instead of making them so one-sided liberal. Yeah I know you liberals think you're the world's moral and intellectual superiors and think only you have a right to teach our children and only from a hard-left perspective, but some are tired of that bullshit and want some balance.

    So go join the racist hispanics in their ass pains wanting the history books to revolve around them and cry louder.
    >> Anonymous 03/13/10(Sat)06:19 No.333677
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    >> Anonymous 03/13/10(Sat)06:22 No.333683
    >>333661
    >Liberal Spin
    >I watch fox news for my information
    >> Anonymous 03/13/10(Sat)06:32 No.333700
    >>333683
    >I have no argument
    >yell FOX NEWS REAL LOUD
    >> Anonymous 03/13/10(Sat)06:37 No.333708
    Spoken like someone who's never been to Texas.

    Texas is fuckawesome. You can shoot trespasser, it's mostly white (until you get near the border), and there's land and resources to spare for everyone.

    Austin and San Antonio are especially awesome to visit as well.
    >> Anonymous 03/13/10(Sat)06:39 No.333711
    >>333683

    You know Liberals, i'm not even a Neo-Conservative & i dislike Fox News, but your "Z0mg lulz he watches Fox News and likes Glenn Beck laugh at him!" debate tactic is one of the reasons you are oh so hated on /new/. SHUT THE FUCK UP AND GET A REAL ARGUMENT.

    Also, the guy that posted >>333661 is right, although i don't buy into Fox News "Z0mg Liberal media conspiracy!" crap there IS a sort of Liberal bias around, especially in schools & colleges.
    >> Anonymous 03/13/10(Sat)06:45 No.333724
    >>333711

    There totally is, dude.

    You know what I got taught in school about the civil war? Not shitting at all here. That the north and south fought each other because the north wanted to free the slaves. That's it. Seriously.
    >> Anonymous 03/13/10(Sat)06:49 No.333734
    facepalmed at some parts and agreed with others.
    like this one:

    >In the field of sociology, another conservative member, Barbara Cargill, won passage of an amendment requiring the teaching of “the importance of personal responsibility for life choices” in a section on teenage suicide, dating violence, sexuality, drug use and eating disorders.
    “The topic of sociology tends to blame society for everything,” Ms. Cargill said.
    >> Anonymous 03/13/10(Sat)06:54 No.333748
    >>333724

    >Although that IS true, ignoring all political & economical reasons that too obviously had a great impact on the war.

    If you're only argument is a shitty attempt at sarcasm, you're better off accusing others of watching Fox News. Although things like History & Science ARE taught very well and accurate, you have got to be crazy to say that College professors aren't Liberal-Indocrinating machines. & Although i have no problem with Liberal's stance on Social issues ( gay marriage, equal rights, abortions, no wars... all of them alright), everytime a Liberal talks about economics with his enourmous ignorance of economic theory & history and his raging Nanny state-worshipping Marxism, i wonder if Liberals are a curse on Earth summoned by a dark and cruel God.
    >> Anonymous 03/13/10(Sat)07:01 No.333774
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    They really don't have anything better to do, do they?
    >> Anonymous 03/13/10(Sat)07:05 No.333788
    >>333748
    >>333661
    Can you actually show any specific examples of gross liberal bias in textbooks? It sounds like you're basing your opinions entirely on assumptions.
    >> Anonymous 03/13/10(Sat)07:08 No.333794
    >Cynthia Dunbar, a lawyer from Richmond who is a strict constitutionalist and thinks the nation was founded on Christian beliefs, managed to cut Thomas Jefferson from a list of figures whose writings inspired revolutions in the late 18th century and 19th century, replacing him with St. Thomas Aquinas, John Calvin and William Blackstone. (Jefferson is not well liked among conservatives on the board because he coined the term “separation between church and state.”)


    HAHAHAHAHA. oh, you conservatives and your "religion"
    >> Anonymous 03/13/10(Sat)07:08 No.333797
    i live in texas. its the best state in the union. the delicous liberal asspain tears that we do things that don't corralate with your northern liberal view of the world are delicious. seriouisly. do things how you want to do. but don't complain about us. we are nothing to do with you. you stay in your state. we will stay in ours.

    >>333748
    >you have got to be crazy to say that College professors aren't Liberal-Indocrinating machines

    you're right there dude. especially in states like CA and NY. but the pofessors in texas A&M are about as conservative as they come. the entire student body is as consevative as they come. liberals are hated there. the world liberal is like a curse word.
    >> Anonymous 03/13/10(Sat)07:09 No.333800
    >>333788

    Re-quoting myself: >Although things like History & Science ARE taught very well and accurate,

    I was just saying that College professors & big part of the media have a Liberal bias ( although it is true Fox News has a GIGANTIC Neo-Con bias), textbooks are mostly fine.
    >> Anonymous 03/13/10(Sat)07:10 No.333806
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    img 1268472886636.jpg added to psychic screen and i still has implants
    >> Anonymous 03/13/10(Sat)07:11 No.333810
    >>333800
    I see.
    >> Anonymous 03/13/10(Sat)07:12 No.333812
    1.TEACH MATH, SCIENCE AND ENGLISH ONLY.
    2. EDUCATION = FIX'D
    >> FAGGATRON_3000 !U0FKfqmRjs 03/13/10(Sat)07:12 No.333813
    >>333774

    Sounds completely reasonable to me...
    >> Anonymous 03/13/10(Sat)07:13 No.333816
    If southern conservatives want to get uppity with us again we'll just have to lay waste to their shitty states and rape their wives and children again.
    >> Anonymous 03/13/10(Sat)07:13 No.333817
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    img 1268481718472.jpg added to psychic screen and i still has implants
    >> Anonymous 03/13/10(Sat)07:16 No.333824
    >>333797
    >its the best
    >corralate
    >seriouisly
    >we are nothing to do with you
    >the world liberal
    Maybe the conservatives are right and a change in education really is desperately needed.
    >> Anonymous 03/13/10(Sat)07:18 No.333831
    >>333813
    If there were any relevant political bias in textbooks, I would advocate this change too, but as it is, it just seems petty and unnecessary.
    >> Anonymous 03/13/10(Sat)07:19 No.333834
    >>333812
    Science has a liberal bias.
    >> Anonymous 03/13/10(Sat)07:21 No.333840
    >>333774
    i see nothing wrong here
    >> Anonymous 03/13/10(Sat)07:22 No.333841
    >>333812
    This. One semester of modern history is enough. Stop wasting the student's time with "General education" requirements.
    >> Anonymous 03/13/10(Sat)07:23 No.333846
    >>333840
    As I said here >>333831 , the point isn't that those changes are incorrect, but that there was no "liberal bias" present in the text prior to the changes. It's a waste of time and effort.
    >> Anonymous 03/13/10(Sat)07:26 No.333851
    >>333841

    No need for students to know History, Geograpy, economics, or even any other language?

    Ha ha oh wow Americans.
    >> Anonymous 03/13/10(Sat)15:42 No.335497
    goddamn texas, dumbfuckistan indeed.
    >> Anonymous 03/13/10(Sat)15:44 No.335512
    >>333851

    we just need to learn how to conquer your ass financially/militarily
    >> Anonymous 03/13/10(Sat)15:50 No.335540
    I think economics is the most underrepresented subject in high school

    anyway these changes seem more good than bad. My history book was pretty shit and was featured on a Tucker Carlson special as plagiarizing another textbook lol
    >> Anonymous 03/13/10(Sat)15:51 No.335547
    Actually Texas is pretty fucking awesome. I'm not sure about the "countryside", but I lived a year in Houston.
    >> Discourse !cHLSjTROWM 03/13/10(Sat)15:52 No.335551
    >>333708
    San Antonio is a tourist trap shit hole. Austin is decent though. Corpus Christi is nice if you like warm empty beaches.
    >> Anonymous 03/13/10(Sat)15:54 No.335559
    >>333473
    That is a badass shirt my friend.
    >> Beefcake !U1vZnI.zbE 03/13/10(Sat)15:54 No.335560
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    >Bring nothing to the table
    >GDP is about equal to Canada's
    Not a Texas fag, BTW. Just sayin'
    >> Anonymous 03/13/10(Sat)15:54 No.335562
    I can't wait until the hispanics outnumber the whites and they vote to leave the U.S., then it's sweet, sweet bombing time!
    >> Anonymous 03/13/10(Sat)15:56 No.335572
    >>335562
    They already do brah. Texas is a majority minority state.
    >> Anonymous 03/13/10(Sat)15:58 No.335581
    >>333661
    You may not be giving it up, but your corporate overlords will make your efforts worthless. They want that cheap ass labor.
    >> Anonymous 03/13/10(Sat)15:58 No.335582
    >>335560
    Their GDP is only high because they have shit funding for all of their government programs and they tax the fuck out of their state. All so that their state government has more money to play around with.

    Even though their GDP is similar to Canada's, their quality of life is shit compared to Canada. What good is a state's GDP if it only produces degenerates.
    >> Anonymous 03/13/10(Sat)16:00 No.335590
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    >>333452

    Hmm,

    Keeping the US economy from collasping
    Gives more than it recieves
    Didn't need state bailouts
    Doesn't need welfare extensions
    Companies relocating here left and right.
    Balanced budget
    $10 billion in reserves.

    Yeah, I think we are doing something right.
    >> Anonymous 03/13/10(Sat)16:02 No.335597
    Texas is actually alot more progressive than you think.

    They had an openly gay mayor for fuck's sake

    The cities are the same as the other cities in America; liberal and cosmopolitan.
    >> Anonymous 03/13/10(Sat)16:03 No.335603
    >>335582
    Texas has no state income tax. What taxes were you referring to?
    >> Anonymous 03/13/10(Sat)16:03 No.335605
    >>335597
    and the towns are filled with dumb fucks
    >> flower girl !!cIwylogxJVQ 03/13/10(Sat)16:08 No.335623
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    >>335582

    maybe ur trolling, but texas has the LOWEST AMOUNT OF TAXATION VIS-A-VIS GDP THAN ANY OTHER STATE IN THE UNION.

    now tell me stupid, where in life did everything go wrong for you?
    >> Anonymous 03/13/10(Sat)16:13 No.335651
    >>335623
    ...
    you can't be serious
    just wow
    i would like to think you are trolling but the seriousness in your diction
    you don't know how economies work
    lrn2money
    >> Anonymous 03/13/10(Sat)16:16 No.335672
    >>335590
    >implying Texan jobs do more for the nation than Californian jobs
    >> Anonymous 03/13/10(Sat)16:18 No.335686
    >>335651
    You're dumb as fuck. Facts go in one ear and out the other with you.
    >> Anonymous 03/13/10(Sat)16:23 No.335711
    >>335672
    The nation needs Californian jobs to do more for California so you wont need bailing out.
    >> Anonymous 03/13/10(Sat)16:26 No.335734
    >>335590
    Gives more than it receives? Are you high? Your state keeps it's oil money and STILL Perry was BEGGING for the stimulus money after he said "no thanks". Hypocrite fuck, do you not follow anything?
    >> Anonymous 03/13/10(Sat)16:27 No.335736
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    >>335623

    Explain why texas is such a welfare state.

    1/2
    >> Anonymous 03/13/10(Sat)16:27 No.335740
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    >>335736

    And such a shithole.

    2/2
    >> Anonymous 03/13/10(Sat)16:28 No.335745
    red has the dumb
    >> flower girl !!cIwylogxJVQ 03/13/10(Sat)16:29 No.335748
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    >>335740
    >>335736
    and this changes the fact texas has the lowest rate of taxation HOW exactly?
    >> Anonymous 03/13/10(Sat)16:30 No.335752
    >>335740

    holy shit Mississippi...

    :'(
    >> Anonymous 03/13/10(Sat)16:31 No.335755
    >>335748
    I lived there for a bit and I did like the lower taxes but Christ, it's like you guys are already not part of the country. Nothing would change if you left.
    >> BATLORD !EvCXCz0K7E 03/13/10(Sat)16:31 No.335758
    >>335736
    >>335740
    lol @ misissippi
    >> Anonymous 03/13/10(Sat)16:31 No.335759
    >>335748

    Well, if you go $1000 in debt on your credit card to pay for everything, then point to your savings account with $200, does that mean you are in the red or the black?
    >> Anonymous 03/13/10(Sat)16:31 No.335762
    >>335748

    man, you really are dumb huh?

    Data showing all that fail and all you can say is taxes, taxes, taxes?

    You deserve your own misery
    >> Anonymous 03/13/10(Sat)16:32 No.335767
    >(Jefferson is not well liked among conservatives on the board because he coined the term “separation between church and state.”)

    ITT: People on both sides not understanding what Jefferson meant.
    >> flower girl !!cIwylogxJVQ 03/13/10(Sat)16:33 No.335770
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    well if texas wasnt filled with spics and niggers it would be a lot different.
    >> Anonymous 03/13/10(Sat)16:34 No.335774
    >>335767

    Actually, we do. He meant the government couldn't force a national religion like the UK had at the time. He also meant that religion has no place in our secular government.

    Guess which one your party is guilty of.
    >> Anonymous 03/13/10(Sat)16:35 No.335777
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    >>335770

    Hehe. It was inevitable. That's the last safe harbor idiot republicans run to when all their arguments fail.
    >> Anonymous 03/13/10(Sat)16:36 No.335783
    >>335767
    This.

    I'm pretty sure he didn't mean indoctrinating people with secular egalitarianism and banning the Bible from schools.
    >> flower girl !!cIwylogxJVQ 03/13/10(Sat)16:38 No.335794
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    >>335777
    well, how is it not right? the mudskins require the most welfare and bring down the average when we look at IQ, test scores, "human development index" (whatever stupid socialist metric thats supposed to be) and stuff.

    anyway, that still hasnt disproved what i said at the beginning, which is that texas has the lowest rate of taxation vis-a-vis GDP.
    >> Anonymous 03/13/10(Sat)16:42 No.335808
    >>335794

    Perhaps that argument works if you ignore California's ranking on those lists. And Colorado. And New York. And Illinois. And....
    >> Anonymous 03/13/10(Sat)16:42 No.335812
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    keep being butthurt instead of taking pride in your own state.
    >> Anonymous 03/13/10(Sat)16:43 No.335814
    >>335770

    Ahem. New York State. Spics and Niggers. Miles above Texas. Explain.
    >> Anonymous 03/13/10(Sat)16:44 No.335821
    >>335794

    Texas also has the highest uninsured rate in the country: 45%. That results in huge health care costs and lower quality of living. You're a bunch of idiots fighting against government programs to address all that in return for lower tax rates. Sad.
    >> Anonymous 03/13/10(Sat)16:45 No.335827
    maybe you faggot liberal extremist states should make your own fucking text books instead of leeching off of Texas?
    >> Anonymous 03/13/10(Sat)16:46 No.335834
    I love the northeast. Only part of the US thats worthwhile anymore.
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    >>333661
    I'm from Austin so I'm a far left communist by default, but did you even read that article? Don McLeroy is not the kind of person we want to "balance out" the alleged "liberal bias" in the our textbooks. THE MAN IS A FUCKING DENTIST BY PROFESSION, who was appointed by none other than our cronyist Bilderberg group member governer. These people on the texas state board of education are literally insane, and it's shameful that they were appointed to set the standards for our children's education.
    >> Anonymous 03/13/10(Sat)16:48 No.335846
    >>335821
    When you state is crumbling that shit will mean nothing.
    >> Anonymous 03/13/10(Sat)16:49 No.335850
    >>335821
    >implying insurance leads to higher standards of living

    Remember when people weren't forced to have insurance yet had cheaper health care? (1950s and earlier about)
    >> Anonymous 03/13/10(Sat)16:51 No.335860
    >>335850

    So get rid of the fucking insurance companies altogether then. Government AND private.
    >> Anonymous 03/13/10(Sat)16:52 No.335862
    >>335850
    >implying you're not a complete ignorant moron

    People without health care insurance have a 40% greater chance of death compared to those with health care insurance EACH YEAR. 45,000 a year die due to lack of health care. It means everything, retard.
    >> Anonymous 03/13/10(Sat)16:52 No.335867
    from OP article

    Taxation
    · A 2003 report listed Texas’ tax system as one of the “Terrible
    Ten” most regressive states in the nation.178
    · The same 2003 report found that Texas requires families in the
    bottom 20 percent of the income scale to pay more than three
    times as great a share of their earnings in taxes as the top one
    percent.179
    · Sales tax, amongst the most regressive of all taxes, forces the
    poorest 20 percent of Texas households to pay more than
    three times as great a share of their income in taxes as the
    richest 20 percent.180
    >> Anonymous 03/13/10(Sat)16:54 No.335877
    itt: faggots arguing over what state is best through statistics. illinois generally ranks pretty damn high on human development scales among others and it is THE worst state in the union. i've lived here for 3 years and its un-fucking-believable the stupid shit that flies here
    >> Anonymous 03/13/10(Sat)16:56 No.335883
    >>335862
    people die of unhealthy lifestyles, not lack of health care. this is the first thing you entitlement ridden lard asses need to understand.
    >> Anonymous 03/13/10(Sat)16:56 No.335886
    >TAX TAX TAX ONLY THING THAT MATTERS
    Move to Somalia. Its even better than Texas in that case.
    >> Anonymous 03/13/10(Sat)16:57 No.335892
    >>335794

    Holy shit I just realized that this motherfucker brushed off the HDI as inconsequential. This is no ordinary troll.
    >> Anonymous 03/13/10(Sat)16:58 No.335898
    >>335877

    What does your opinion of whats unbelievable have to do with FACTUAL DATA?
    >> Anonymous 03/13/10(Sat)16:58 No.335900
    >>335883

    Wrong. People with the exact same lifestyles are what are compared.
    >A recent study on health disparities documents how health status improves across all ethnicities after people turn age 65 and many become eligible for Medicare, reported in Reuters. In the study of more than 6,000 middle-aged and elderly Americans, their blood pressure, cholesterol and blood sugar control all improved once they were Medicare eligible, a result many are using to advocate for universal health care coverage.
    http://www.cahealthadvocates.org/news/disparities/2009/continued.html
    >> Anonymous 03/13/10(Sat)17:00 No.335909
    >>335877
    No, we're arguing about how texas is unanimously the worst state.
    >> Anonymous 03/13/10(Sat)17:00 No.335910
    >>335862
    That's because you're using shitty samples and assuming causation. Most uninsured are unemployed because most employers are required to have health insurance. Poor unemployed people can't afford health care derp, but that doesn't mean insurance (or managed care, really) is good overall.
    >> Anonymous 03/13/10(Sat)17:02 No.335920
    >>335734

    See

    >>335736

    Please note that this is an older figure and doesn't reflect Texas' stronger position. The difference is even greater now.
    >> Anonymous 03/13/10(Sat)17:03 No.335929
    >>335898
    this factual data proves what? that we should all move to connecticut? the best state to live in is purely subjective. i think illinois is a shit hole but i'd love to live in texas/new mexico/arizona/nevada and statistics aren't going to change that.

    tl;dr - statistics are only useful for backing up your opinion. it's all fucking pointless
    >> Anonymous 03/13/10(Sat)17:04 No.335934
    Now if we could just get rid of Texas and Mississippi the whole world would be a better place.
    >> Anonymous 03/13/10(Sat)17:05 No.335941
    >>333711

    >there IS a sort of Liberal bias around, especially in schools & colleges.

    NO SHIT IT IS CALLED BEING EDUCATED
    >> Anonymous 03/13/10(Sat)17:07 No.335952
    >>335900
    protip - despite what drug companies and the FDA will tell you, pills and surgery rarely will solve your health problems. look around you, right now we are experiencing record levels of obesity, heart disease, cancer, and many other preventable bullshit but we have it not because of a lack of sick care but because modern man lives a completely horrible lifestyle. do some real research and not just corporate propaganda.
    >> Anonymous 03/13/10(Sat)17:07 No.335955
    >>335941
    Kansas teaches creationism in schools. As a whole they're more educated than people in California or NewYork.
    >> Anonymous 03/13/10(Sat)17:07 No.335956
    >>335867

    I guess with this information, people would rather have a job to pay taxes on than no job at all like in other states?
    >> Anonymous 03/13/10(Sat)17:07 No.335957
    >>333708
    >Spoken like someone who's never been to Texas.

    Exactly. Texas is fucking awesome.
    >> Anonymous 03/13/10(Sat)17:08 No.335962
    >>335929

    Of course its subjective. If you want better education, better healthcare, less religious fanaticism, and more money then you need to move to the northeast. I respect your right to choose to live in a backwoods shithole. Just know that it is a shithole.
    >> Anonymous 03/13/10(Sat)17:09 No.335967
    ITT: liberals getting defensive because they know California is without a doubt the worst state.
    >> Anonymous 03/13/10(Sat)17:09 No.335971
    >>335910
    >most employers are required to have health insurance.

    i lol'd. You're so full of shit. There is NO employer mandate, idiot.

    >Poor unemployed people can't afford health care derp, but that doesn't mean insurance (or managed care, really) is good overall.

    What part of the study I linked didn't you understand. It has EVERYTHING to do with insurance.
    >> Anonymous 03/13/10(Sat)17:10 No.335977
    >>335967
    The weather and beaches are nice, though.
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    >>335962

    >northeast
    >more money
    how's new york treating you?
    >> Anonymous 03/13/10(Sat)17:12 No.335995
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    >pills and surgery rarely will solve your health problems.
    Oh man, I don't even dare to ask what you'd consider to be better alternatives, especially when it comes to the treatment of health issues that are *not* preventable and entirely unrelated to one's lifestyle.
    >> Anonymous 03/13/10(Sat)17:13 No.335996
    >>335967

    WHAT? California has budget issues, but in everything else, California is MILES ahead of shitty texas.

    And I see some retard on here saying "statistics don't matter I still want to move to texas which means texas is better hurr." Too funny.
    >> Anonymous 03/13/10(Sat)17:13 No.335997
    >>335941
    Liberals fresh out of 4-year college have got to be some of the most foolish and gullible people in the country. It really does take a higher education like that to come up with the most senseless policy ideas in history.

    Note that I didn't say "stupid", just foolish.
    >> Anonymous 03/13/10(Sat)17:14 No.336000
    >>335985

    New Yorkers have some of the highest incomes in the nation so wtf are you going on about?
    >> Anonymous 03/13/10(Sat)17:14 No.336001
    >>335962
    >better education
    >implying you can get into any university that out ranks all southern colleges

    >better healthcare
    never stepped foot in a hosptial so I couldn't possibly give a shit


    >less religious fanaticism
    >lol i've never heard of austin, las vegas, reno, and numerous other secular cities throughout the south and southwest

    >and more money then you need to move to the northeast.
    >im a consumerist

    >I respect your right to choose to live in a backwoods shithole. Just know that it is a shithole.
    >LOL MY OPINION IS AWESOME
    >> Anonymous 03/13/10(Sat)17:14 No.336003
    Once the government becomes the supplier of people's needs, there is no limit to the needs that will be claimed as a basic right.
    >> Anonymous 03/13/10(Sat)17:15 No.336009
    >>335997

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mm1KOBMg1Y8
    lulz
    >> Anonymous 03/13/10(Sat)17:17 No.336020
    >>336003
    Nonsense slippery slope that has no precedent in history.
    >> Anonymous 03/13/10(Sat)17:17 No.336021
    >>336000
    is that why new yorkers and so many people up north are flocking to more conservative states where cost of living is noticeably cheaper?
    >> Anonymous 03/13/10(Sat)17:17 No.336026
    >>335996
    >California has budget issues

    That's quite an understatement. California is also a massive welfare and nanny state, with high taxes and a fuckton of regulations.

    I would never in a million years live in California. I would love to live in Texas.
    >> Anonymous 03/13/10(Sat)17:17 No.336029
    >>336003

    Cool copypasta, bro. Doesn't change the fact that health care is a right and government can provide the cheaper structure for the payment system.
    >> Anonymous 03/13/10(Sat)17:18 No.336035
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    >>336020
    THIS IS WHAT LIBERALS ACTUALLY BELIEVE
    >> Anonymous 03/13/10(Sat)17:19 No.336041
    >>336026

    Seriously, you are a complete moron, bro. I've lived in Maine, Massachusetts, Connecticut, Florida, and now California. California is BY FAR the better state, despite its budget issues.
    >> Anonymous 03/13/10(Sat)17:19 No.336042
    >>335996

    Let's see how long that last once you're forced to live within your means.

    >>336000

    Well, $3 trillion in bailouts will make you pretty rich.
    >> Anonymous 03/13/10(Sat)17:20 No.336046
    >>336035

    Yes we do, Kermit. Yes we do.
    >> Anonymous 03/13/10(Sat)17:20 No.336047
    >>336001

    My opinion is based on fact which makes it awesome indeed.
    >> Anonymous 03/13/10(Sat)17:22 No.336060
    >>336021

    Nothing you say can change the fact that people get paid more up here.
    >> Anonymous 03/13/10(Sat)17:22 No.336064
    >>336041

    I'm an out-door electrician btw. That's why I move around so much.
    >> Anonymous 03/13/10(Sat)17:23 No.336067
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    >>336029
    >Doesn't change the fact that health care is a right
    >government can provide the cheaper structure
    >> Anonymous 03/13/10(Sat)17:23 No.336070
    >>336035
    Indeed. Texas is a pretty cool place. I've lived in it. Liberals are just haters needing to hate. Texas makes them butthurt.
    >> Rikudou !PVvuHw8lII 03/13/10(Sat)17:24 No.336074
    >>336009
    Honestly I wouldn't expect much more from McCain voters. There are stupid people and intelligent people on both sides.

    Therefore I'm in favor of a basic civics test and a small fee to get registered to vote. Also raising the universal age back up to 21.
    >> Anonymous 03/13/10(Sat)17:24 No.336075
    I think its time we do whats been necessary. Split the north and the south into two separate nations.
    >> Anonymous 03/13/10(Sat)17:24 No.336077
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    >>336060
    > implying inflation means higher wages
    >> Anonymous 03/13/10(Sat)17:26 No.336088
    >>336074
    why should there be a fee?
    >> Anonymous 03/13/10(Sat)17:27 No.336097
    >>336077
    >implying that implication makes any sense
    >> Anonymous 03/13/10(Sat)17:29 No.336110
    >>336097
    protip, since i know it's hard for you liberals to understand economics - yes people make more money but they also have to spend a shitload more which is why i made my point that so many northern states are hemorrhaging citizens for the south.
    >> Anonymous 03/13/10(Sat)17:32 No.336128
    >>336041
    I have family in California. Some parts are very nice but if you do much traveling there are large swaths of areas that are shit holes. Every time I hear how much people pay for their tiny homes over there I bust out laughing. Every time I go to the pump I cringe. The beaches are about the only thing good in California. Even then the last time I was over there half the state was on fire and the smell of smoke ruined it. Massachusetts/Connecticut fucking awesome btw
    >> Anonymous 03/13/10(Sat)17:34 No.336131
    >>335995
    like what? name some and don't just post generic troll replies.
    >> Anonymous 03/13/10(Sat)17:35 No.336139
    >>336110
    You used the word inflation wrong so don't act all high and mighty about "liberals not understanding economics".
    You're talking about cost of living.
    >> A guy who helped produce the film Network. It's a good film. 03/13/10(Sat)17:35 No.336140
    After a hundred years of saying "Founding Fathers/Constitution" the trolls in America have decided to ignore the Founding Fathers, AND the Constitution.

    Why am I not surprised.
    >> Anonymous 03/13/10(Sat)17:37 No.336147
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    >>336139
    >implying you don't know why expenses increase in the first place
    >> Anonymous 03/13/10(Sat)17:40 No.336158
    >>336147
    >implying that inflation is a regional phenomenon and doesn't affect our currency as a whole.
    >> Rikudou !PVvuHw8lII 03/13/10(Sat)17:40 No.336160
    >>336088
    It should be pretty small, about $25-75, and pay for the tests and possibly public campaign financing (I don't know enough about it to take a stance).
    >> Anonymous 03/13/10(Sat)17:41 No.336162
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    >>335995
    you mean like eating food with actual nutrients and exercising like you're supposed to? Yeah, i know CRAZY stuff right?
    >> Anonymous 03/13/10(Sat)17:43 No.336179
    >>336158
    >implying you don't know why a gallon of milk in new york costs more than where I live.
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    >> Anonymous 03/13/10(Sat)17:48 No.336192
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    >> Anonymous 03/13/10(Sat)17:50 No.336203
    >>335740
    >>335736
    Time and again liberals post debunked shit
    >> Anonymous 03/13/10(Sat)17:52 No.336212
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    >> Anonymous 03/13/10(Sat)18:01 No.336236
    >>335752
    tons of poor welfare blacks in mississippi
    >> Anonymous 03/13/10(Sat)18:03 No.336242
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    >> Anonymous 03/13/10(Sat)18:06 No.336256
    >>336128
    >Massachusetts/Connecticut fucking awesome btw

    And this is the point most people miss: rent is definitely cheaper in those states, but the cost of heating oil during the winter raises the true cost of living far higher than in places like Cali.

    Don't get me wrong, though. New England is the most beautiful part of the country and has way better public education than Cali (non-college).
    >> Anonymous 03/13/10(Sat)18:07 No.336266
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    >> Anonymous 03/13/10(Sat)18:09 No.336279
    Why do Americans bitch about welfare when they've been a welfare state since the twenties?

    No, really, enlighten me about this.

    A note to the sillies at the Guardian:Cheese is actually British slang for sex.
    >> Anonymous 03/13/10(Sat)18:11 No.336280
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    >> Anonymous 03/13/10(Sat)18:13 No.336287
    >>336279
    >Why do Americans bitch about welfare when they've been a welfare state since the twenties?

    lol only for the poor that the politcians can buy votes from. It used to be that most of us worked hard for what we had.
    >> Anonymous 03/13/10(Sat)18:13 No.336290
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    >> Anonymous 03/13/10(Sat)18:15 No.336295
    >>336067
    >Doesn't change the fact that health care is a right
    We mandate that all person get treatment if they show up to the ER. We made health care a human right by legislation.

    >government can provide the cheaper structure
    It does. Medicare and Medicaid have far lower overhead costs than the private sector. That's why private insurance companies fear the Public Option so much.
    >> Anonymous 03/13/10(Sat)18:17 No.336301
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    >> Anonymous 03/13/10(Sat)18:22 No.336332
    >>336179
    >implying you're not a troll
    >> Anonymous 03/13/10(Sat)18:25 No.336349
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    >> Anonymous 03/13/10(Sat)18:28 No.336372
    >>336295
    >It does. Medicare and Medicaid have far lower overhead costs than the private sector. That's why private insurance companies fear the Public Option so much.


    dude 61% of the plans are non-profit already
    >> Anonymous 03/13/10(Sat)18:29 No.336377
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    >> Anonymous 03/13/10(Sat)18:37 No.336425
    >>336372

    And they control so little of the market they can't drive down costs. Something like 32 states have a majority (+50%) covered by ONE for-profit company.
    >> Anonymous 03/13/10(Sat)18:48 No.336517
    >>336160
    >$25-75
    >pretty small
    You want me to shell out $75 to vote? Fuck that shit, I can use that to pay my bills.
    Enjoy the number of voters being restricted to the upper-middle and upper class, segregative fuck.
    >> Anonymous 03/13/10(Sat)18:56 No.336558
    >>336425
    lol they have 405 of the market dummy
    >> Anonymous 03/13/10(Sat)19:16 No.336673
    ITT butthurt rednecks try and pretend they're not dragging society down.
    >> Anonymous 03/13/10(Sat)19:21 No.336695
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    hurp a durp, me and my son love texas.

    Pic most certainly related.
    >> Anonymous 03/13/10(Sat)19:21 No.336700
    >>336160

    I wouldn't want to pay for someone's campaigning, voting for them or not. Especially since I hate the mudslinging ads it'll be used for.
    >> Anonymous 03/13/10(Sat)19:23 No.336714
    >>336558

    Do you even know how a market system works? Having one company control +50% of the market gives it more power than 5 companies sharing 50% of the market. Unless the 5 are willing to collude with each other.
    >> Anonymous 03/13/10(Sat)19:27 No.336743
    >>336714
    >>336714
    lol no dude the other companies can do as they well please to try and take market share, its easy to see that your teachers were all commie bastards.
    >> Anonymous 03/13/10(Sat)19:31 No.336768
    >>336743

    lulz

    You're the same faggot talking out of your ass over here >>336713. Get over there and read my reply so you can shove your head back up your ass.

    A large company has much more power over the market than 5 smaller ones that don't collude with each other. That's a fact, retard.
    >> Anonymous 03/13/10(Sat)19:31 No.336773
    North Dallas, Certain parts of Fort Worth (around the Kimbell Art Museum) and Austin are very musically and art inclined. The Kimbell Art Museum has one of the last Da Vinci paintings, and Austin hosts ACL. parts of NX35, and South by Southwest go on in Texas. And certain parts are very Urban cultural area's. Other than that yeah Texas is pretty much a fucking stupid state. I should know I live here. ACL is amazing though.
    >> Anonymous 03/13/10(Sat)19:38 No.336799
    >>335551
    361 wooo!

    This education shit is fucking embarassing. Most of the people on this board have NO formal education in te subjects they're trying to radically change.

    For gods sake, they're trying to not teach the concept of separation f church and state.
    >> Anonymous 03/13/10(Sat)19:39 No.336810
    I don't get what's with all the other states. Why don't they increase taxes to the level Texas has them? GOddamn liberals don't know how economics work.
    >> Anonymous 03/13/10(Sat)19:40 No.336817
    >>336768
    lol sure mister commie what ever you say
    >> Rikudou !PVvuHw8lII 03/13/10(Sat)19:41 No.336820
    >>336517
    I don't think it's segregative at all. Those who have the real and honest desire to vote will pay, those who don't give a damn will not.
    >> Anonymous 03/13/10(Sat)19:43 No.336838
    >>336799
    lo why cus they remove thomas jefferson form some list lol don't believe what the NY times tells you
    >> ★Davy Crockett - King of The Wild Frontier★ !!bcc7x7870dM 03/13/10(Sat)19:43 No.336842
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    i like where this thread is going



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