Because Jews.

Becuase Jews

>>282172
>>282170

HOLY SHIT.

>>282170
>>282172
AND NIGGERS

>>282170
>>282172

obvious samefag deteced

karl marx = jew

the end

>>282181

Seriously dude, not a samefag, I made the first post, came back to the thread, shat brix.

Never really thought about that.

Probably because Jews.

Nobody can deny that the Jews are to blame for this injustice

if you was "Anti-Semite" in russia you would be shot...

Because stalin killed white people and nazis killed jews.

>>282170
>>282172
Wow.

Does that mean "Because Jews" is now a meme?

>>282214
It's seriously the correct answer.

>>282194

Incorrect.

And because jewze.

In Soviet Russia jews kill you!

>JEWS

Stalin wasn't responsible for sixty million deaths.

That was about a third of the USSR's population.

There's no way that many could have died and then they still went on to win a war.

>>282226
They won by attrition. Their climate and the lack of German preparedness played a large part as well.

>>282226
>>Holocaust Denial

>>282226

Actually, some countries still haven't recovered from the population loss caused by all the deportations. And unlike what Hitler did, the deportations actually happened.

>>282241
>attrition
>with only 2/3rds of the population

derp

>>282226
you're fucking retarded.

It was more than 60 million. It wasn't a 3rd of population, are you fucking retarded? Soviet Union was 300-350 million of people at the time of Stalin.

Russians won the WWII due to the nature of the russian soldier.

Fine, stormfags.

Give me reputable source that says that many people died. A website saying how the judeo bolsheviks killed billions of Christians doesn't count.

>>282264
Fuck off, in 1937 it was only 160 million.

>>282267
>>any source I don't like doesn't count

>>282267
>arguing with stormfag

protip - you're being trolled brah.

http://users.erols.com/mwhite28/warstat1.htm#Stalin

Because Lenin and Trotsky are heroes who had the courage to stand up and do something about their incompetent leader. Nicholas II was throwing the economy down the drain. Famine and debt was imminent. Stalin was an asshole, but the original meaning and those before him are honourable.

>>282272
You're looking at population of Russia.
YOU NEED TO LOOK AT POPULATION OF USSR YOU FUCKING FAGGOT.

>>282286
Sup brah.

>>282289
The SOVIET census of 1937 said there were 162 million people living there.

And before you say "DERP LIES AND STATISTICS", they never released the data because they expected it to be higher at the time.

>>282292
I've met more libertarians that were emo than socialists that were emo.

>>282299
No you haven't lol.

>>282286

Sure is stormfront hivemind in here

Fucking punk kids defending communism

its always the jews

>>282166
Does nobody realize the main difference here being that Hitler was their Führer for all 12 years of the Reich. Stalin was one of many shitty leaders the Soviet union had over 74 years.

You can't really use Stalin to represent the hammer and sickle in the same way that you could use to Hitler represent the swastika.

Hello. What is going on in here?

Because militant support of the working class is seen in a more sympathetic light than militant support of the German ethnicity.

>>282298

60 million isnt an unreasonable number tbh. 30 million soldiers and civilians died from the war and war related stuff - even more died brining russia/ussr out of its backward state into modern nation. a lot of people were packed off to camps in siberia gulags. stuff like that

Because the soviet union didn't lose ww2.

>>282298
So let me guess, they hid this information in Robert Conquest's anus so that he could pull it out for his books.

>>282435
More likely it was discovered when the Soviet archives opened in the 1990s

>>282424

should have posted the fat-man who goes boom from dark knight. "Like Christmas!"

>>282436
But this argument has been played out way before 1990. Also, you've not demostrated that this census actually exists.

It shouldn't really matter why, the fact of the matter is the Soviet Union is responsible for the deaths of million of innocent people.

The next time I see some hipster prick prancing around, thinking he's cool with his Hammer & Sickle t-shirt I'm going to spit in his face.

>>282443

he'll spit in yours for thinking your government is innocent of killing innocents.

>>282441
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_Census_%281937%29

This is common knowledge to people that study the USSR, so "hurr wikipediur" isn't an argument.

op you, implying nazis were ever the bad guys

Hitler killed jews, Stallind didn't

>>282220

so win

go back in time, kill karl marx, win

>>282443

Please, enlighten me in how USA is any different
or any wester country for that matter you blind idiot.

Soviets expressed their authoritarian rule, that is called totalitarian authoritarian rule.

Americans and westerners have however caesarian totalitarian type of rule.

How about i spit in your face not for your political thoughts, not whether you are american, english, sweed, japanese or anything else for that matter,

but because you spit without knowledge and in full stupidity.
Brats like you should first at least study sociology
for a year before you start spitting shit out of your mouth.

I consider both of these to be socially unacceptable, and the people that wear them to be largely ignorant.

>>282506
This.
Anti-communism.
Anti-Nazi.
Anti-monarchy.
Iron Front!!

Because the Swastika is directly tied to the Nazi party, whereas the Hammer and Sickle represent the soviet union as a whole, not just the Stalinists.

I assume there is an element of irony in wearing the hammer and sickle though, since it represents failure.

Funny story. I actually a purchased a Hammer and Sickle T Shirt in Italy. Me and a Canadian girl I met snuck into a German tour group at a monastry, and they insisted she wear a t shirt, not a tank top, due to modesty. She whacks on the Hammer and Sickle T Shirt and we get asked to leave.
I guess not everyone thinks it's okay

>>282477

Um...

>>282477

Over a million Jews might have an issue to raise with you.

If they weren't in mass Soviet graves, that is.

I would imagine it's ok because we never had a direct war with the USSR. I don't know for sure, but I would think that the USA and rest of the world wouldn't have found out about Stalin's atrocities until well after he died, possibly even after the USSR collapsed. The reason we knew about the Holocaust is because our advancing armies FOUND them.

I hypothesize that by the time we discovered these deaths, we kinda weren't able to muster the same emotional response since we never saw them first hand.

>>282707
Your advancing armies didn't find shit. The Russians came through Poland on the way to Berlin which is where most of the concentration camps were. At best the American army would have known about them from fly-over observation or having their Jewish soldiers sent there

>>282579

>>282707
So it's basically Stalin and his goons, destroyed the soviets, sympathized with the Nazi regime and killed Trotsky.

>>282658
This anon has the right answer.

The swastika was used to be a symbol of good luck in Asia, but Hitler twisted the symbol's meaning. That symbol is so associated with evil, showing the symbol in public is taboo.

>>282707
It's OK because without the USSR Hitler would have won WW2. As thanks everyone turned a blind eye to what Stalin had been doing

In before an ignorant student of American history tries to tell me America saved the world and won WW2 by themselves

>>282278
Stormfags aren't trolls.

Anyone that's stupid enough to get trolled by a stormfags deserves death.

Stalin killed worthless slavic gentiles... Hitler killed gods chosen people

please nigga 600,000-1m jews died at best... at first they tried to claim 20 million jews died in the holocaust. Also there are alot of holocaust lies perpetuated by the jews, the biggest being the most iconic symbol of the holocaust.... gas chambers. So basically I would take what the jews say with a pinch of salt and also understand that far more gypsies, retards and gays died than kikes. Also note how jews made the holocaust all about themselves, nice leverage to create Israel.

Inb4 herp stormfag

>>282717

Nah. US Army liberated Buchenwald and Dachau--neither were death camps, true, but weren't exactly resorts either.

There were hundreds of little work camps in the German system, all over Europe. Canadian soldiers liberated one in the Netherlands at Vucht.

Don't forget--Stalin had quite a head start on Hitler, as his collectivisation of the Kulaks in the 1930s killed somewhere between 3 and 10 million Ukrainians by starvation.

Mao makes them both look like pikers, however, with something like 60-70 million. But as we all know, you can kill as many of your own people as you like--Hitler took his act on the road, which was his downfall.

>>282717
>In the west, camps were discovered and liberated by the western Allies as well, including the Bergen-Belsen camp on 15 Apr 1945. Dwight Eisenhower toured the remnants of a concentration camp near the town of Gotha in Apr 1945 and recorded his experience that was indescribable with words: "I have never felt able to describe my emotional reactions when I first came face to face with indisputable evidence of Nazi brutality and ruthless disregard of every shred of decency.... I have never at any other time experienced an equal sense of shock." On 29 Apr, members of the American 101st Airborne Division discovered a labor camp that was part of the Dachau complex, the first concentration camp established, near Landsberg at the foothills of the Alps. "The memory of the starved, dazed men," remembered Richard Winters of Company E of the 506th Regiment, "who dropped their eyes and heads when we looked at them through the chain-link fence, in the same manner that a beaten, mistreated dog would cringe, leave feelings that cannot be described and will never be forgotten."

The Russians discovered the Eastern camps. the USA/UK found the western ones. Ouch.

http://ww2db.com/battle_spec.php?battle_id=136

>>282768

thank god S.T.A.L.K.E.R. doesnt visit this board....i dont think

>>282811
Is that a giant eclair the German guy is stealing? Fuck yeah i'd steal that too

>>282821
Labor camps and death camps are not the same thing. This guy knows what's up: >>282811

Like I said, all the camps designed specifically to exterminate the Jews were in Poland. Pic related.

>>282821

the west who invaded the west found the west camps...ouch indeed

>>282286
>Because Lenin and Trotsky are heroes who had the courage to stand up and do something about their incompetent leader.

lololol. So foreign kikes, with kike money from new york, installed the most murderous barbaric and backwards tyranny, and you call it "progress" ?

>>282843
No you fucking idiot

The jews and soviets first claimed there were death camps in germany and france, but these were obviously false claims, and so they then started making the claims that the camps were in poland, because poland was behind the iron curtain and no western researcher had any access to them.

HOLOHOAX, when will you libtards learn.

USSR : the system was wrong, not necessarily the ideas. And it's dead, sort of.
Nazi : the ideology was wrong, and the ideas are still dangerous

>>282821
And the allies did exactly the same thing, starving german POW's to death + deporting them to the USSR to be worked to death.

Deported millions of russian and polish citizens who were fighting against the soviet union, they also went to their deaths in the soviet union.

Left 10's of thousands of allied POW's that the soviets inherited from the germans to die in gulags and other camps in the USSR.

Deliberately engaged in a campaign of terror bombings and genocide against the german people, followed by a starvation and displacement campaign by the regional allied governments.

When you compare what Hitler and Germany did, versus what the allies and soviets did. You can quite clearly see who was in the right and who was in the wrong.

>>282870
Are you trying to troll me? I can't tell so if you are it probably isn't working

If you're truly just an idiot then you should know the iron curtain was only established after WW2. Additionally that map clearly shows several camps beyond the border of the iron curtain

So......
Off topic, but thread is being trolled to death anyway....

Do you guys consider fiat currency socialist? The government does own the means of production for it.

>>282884
Notice how all of those are work camps, because the lie of the holocaust is completely obvious as false when you look at those camps.

Notice how there has NEVER been a mass grave of jews found, where did they all go? one wonders.

>>282902
Yeah you're trolling

The Jewish people evaporated dude, it's what they do

Ever dig up a Jew grave? Nothing inside. They evaporate.

>>282902

They went on to fuck your grandma, making you a mix breed.

there were never any jew graves because the nazi's launched the remains to the moon

>>282902
So the people who created the Final Solution were lying to themselves about planning to murder all the Jews in Europe?

>>282920
The "final solution" was deporting the jews to Madagascar, there has NEVER been documentary evidence showing any sort of campaign of extermination.

>>282922
Does that mean Jews = Lemurs? My God!

Hitler targeted the people he killed for stupid reasons such as religion or skin colour, Stalin killed people for reasons other than skin colour.

>>283002
>skin colour
>implying race is entirely skin color
>implying hitler even targetted non-whites at all!

This is truly the sort of revisionism and outright lies that liberals engage in.

protip: jews are a race, not a religion. Hitler "targetted" them because they were traitors and criminals and communists.

>>282969
LEMURS!
WHAT A MASTERPLAN,
QUICK, FETCH ME MY MONKEYGUN!

>>282969
of course, the Lemurs did it!
who would suspect them?
BRILLIANT!

You all are stupid fucking idiots,
here brats, since you are skipping the school classes, learn something over the net at least
you bunch of faggot failures.

Here : http://www.cracked.com/article_18389_the-5-most-widely-believed-wwii-facts-that-are-bullshit.html

>>283008
oh were you there

>Trying to make either one is good by comparing death tolls.

What the fuck man, they still killed a lot of people both were monsters.

>>283023
DAMN! OUR ZIONIST PLAN HAS FAILED.
WE WOULD HAVE GOTTEN AWAY WITH IT IF IT WASN'T FOR THOSE DAMN STORMFAGS

>>283043

QUICK, MY LONGNOSED FRIENDS, WE MUST HIDE!

FUCK! THEY GOT ME!
TURN ME INTO A COCKROACH SO THAT I MAY ESCAPE THIS RIGHTEOUS PUNISHMENT FROM THE MASTER RACE!

>>283056
NO PLACE IS SAFE!
WE MUST HIDE, AND FAST!

hey OP, you can wear the swastika around if you want, who says you can't?

>>283059
OH SHI-

>>282882

My grand father in law survived a Gulag. His dad was printing subversive political material that saw the U.S. hand him over the the Russians, whom had internal issues with his people, and he and his sons got shipped out to the Gulags.

Actually escaped once, but went back when they got hungry. Said it was fucking miserable and ruined his life, but was still better then what happened to the jews who got taken by the Nazis.

brb killing jew babies!

jews

oh, crap.
fuck you stormfags, fuck you and your supreme white skin and tiny cocks.

communist Jews forever!!

>>283086
Yeah, fuck your shit, nazifaggots

this thread needs more Jews!

learn something new everyday. fucking jews, man.. shit pisses me off.

>>283104
seconded

>>282166

Because the hammer and sickle preceded and superseded stalin whereas the swastika was attributed solely to hitler's reign.

L2 think critically....

yepp

we're watching you...

>>283043
now where did I put that gold?

hmm, smells like GOLD!

I fucking love jews

so are we done here?

because I could go for some sweetass curry now.

Double standards by the left. For most leftists, having the same ideology as theirs gives you a free pass.

That's why they complain about dictatorships by right-wing juntas in South America and at the same time worship Lenin. Disregarding the fact that Lenin was much worse than any South American's dictator.

Also, it's funny how hard the USSR failed. Russia was closer to the levels of the rest of the Europe before the Revolution than it was in 1989.
And they were starting to have industrialization at the time. But hey, this is not that important to know, right? What 's important is that they produced many weapons, even if people were living in poverty.

>>283157
seems like you need some more JEWS

>>283161
hello Bear, nice to see you again

>>283038
That's his point. The Soviet Union was as bad as Nazi Germany. Maybe even worse.

But while defending Nazi Germany is (understandably) considered wrong, you can see kids wearing shirts with the symbols of the Soviet Union

>>283168
>>283113

>>283161
I'm not a fucking racist. Just saying that lefties are hypocritical bastards.

>>283167
shit yeah, lets get cracking!

>>283170
Are you implying that Lenin was not as bad?

L2 think critically....

JEWS bump

come on guys, chill the fuck out.

>>283176
are you implying lenin lead a genocide?

>>283185
I dont think that they can stop, even if they want to....

I wish the Swastika could become acceptable in the west and europe, again. Then /stormfaggots/ and Neo-Nazi's wouldn't have a symbol to troll people with.

The best way to defeat psychological warfare is to acknowledge it exists, then proceed to counter troll it by ignoring it because it's a waste of time.

Swastika is a peaceful Sanskrit symbol, as well as a pagan symbol, it has no negative connotations.

Unlike the peace symbol that some satanists created for the hippies. Which means Ruin, not peace. Dumbasses.

well, fuck it, I'm out of here.

Watch the Soviet Story.

They should be allowed to display it

Freedom of speech dude, gotta take the good with the bad

Oh, and I think the numbers are off

Hitler killed 10 million (Unless you say that 16 million jews were killed in the Holocaust which is...lol wut)

Stalin 20-40

Mao had at least 60

Communism doesn't represent a single entity and regardless of the crimes ascribed to the Soviet Union they pale in comparison to systematic, calculated genocide.

>>283188
Are you implying he didn't kill millions?

>>283201
>stalin killed 20-40 million people
>stalin killed a third of the USSR's population
>then 25 million died in WW2

>post ww2 USSR lost half of its population

are you retarded

>>283201
Hitler killed other groups of people too dude. Which may have been due to inability to feed them or keep the camps sterile.

>>283202
Ukraine.

>>282166
> Why?
in one word : sionism

I like how guns don't kill people yet something as abstract as a political ideology does

>>283212
The Holodomor was a famine, and regardless of what body count you tack onto it (which varies wildly depending on your agenda) it still is nothing like a death camp fueled genocide

JOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOSSS

“I want to tell you something very clear: Don’t worry about American pressure on Israel. We, the Jewish people, control America, and the Americans know it.”
Former Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon

“Our race is the Master Race. We are divine gods on this planet. We are as different from the inferior races as they are from insects. In fact, compared to our race, other races are beasts and animals, cattle at best. Other races are considered as human excrement. Our destiny is to rule over the inferior races. Our earthly kingdom will be ruled by our leader with a rod of iron. The masses will lick our feet and serve us as our slaves.”
Israeli Prime Minister Menachem Begin in a speech to the Knesset [Israeli Parlament], quoted by Amnon Kapeliouk, "Begin and the Beasts," New Statesman, June 25, 1982

“One million Arabs are not worth a Jewish fingernail.”
— Rabbi Yaacov Perrin (NY Daily News, Feb. 28, 1994, p.6)

>>283227
Except by the part where the famine was deliberate created to kill Ukrainians. Slowly dying of famine is not something very nice either.

>>283190
Although not a swastika strictly speaking, this does represent the point you are making. These were put on finnish planes by a swede to provide good luck some time after WW1. We still use this flag. Fuck the nazis for monopolizing the symbol.

>>283251
except the part where there is no proof of that or any other theory regarding the subject

>>283259
Sure, if that makes you sleep better at night, liberal scum.

To clear some shit up.

Soviet union's pre world war 2 population was pegged around 160 million

25 million people died as a result of WW2.

Stalin then indirectly (deliberate starvation, work camps, political executions) killed another 25-30 million. To be modest, you would peg his total at 45 million. So he killed probably over a quarter of his population.

Not too shabby.

>>283251
Dying of famine is terrible, but I think the claim that it was a "famine-genocide" is ridiculous and it's far more likely that Soviet inefficiencies and failed collectivizations are what caused it, similar to the famines in China (which were 5 times worse). It's a terrible thing that happened but it wasn't a Holocaust.

>>283264
that's the most retarded thing i've ever read.

the largest estimate for holodomor is 10 million.

that's it, there was no other big event in which millions of people died in the USSR from Stalin. Maybe a few hundred thousand tacked onto that due to assassinations and work camps.

>>283264

Actually, we'll say an eightnth of his population, since it's not fair to attribute WW2 to him.

20-30 million. I'd say he topped Hitler, but to be fair he had a much larger pool to draw from.

Hitler would still win out per capita, for sure.

>>283267
The famine was deliberate to crush nationalism.

>>283264
This is typical conservative propaganda meant to paint communism as the worst thing that has happened in history. The general consensus estimate is 20 million as a combined result of Stalin's policies. A ghastly number but not a quarter of the population.

>>283291
That's an opinion

>>283299
Nope.

>>283240

We must end the jews

>>283273

Here is a breakdown of how these figures for the 20-30 million killed was reached.

Debate can be made as to wether to attributions are fair.

14.5 (up to) in starvation. Debate cacn be made as to wether that was sheer incompetence or deliberate

1 (at least) for political executions

5 (at least) in Gulags and work camps

I left such a big variable (up to 30) because many people insist far more died in the Gulags.

To be extremely modest, your looking at 15-20.

>>283293

Communism isn't the worst thing to ever happen, but it was a bad thing to happen, and i wonder how the hell can anyone possibly think this shit works.

And don't you dare to call me a Conservative. An insult like that is just... UGH.

At first liberals denied the Ukrainian Genocide even existed and that people died of hunger. At least now they recognize that people died.
It's like they are evolving.

>>283315
lol

are you saying there were a million politicians that were killed?

1. there's absolutely no facts behind your numbers
2. the highest starvation figure is at 10 million

>>283320
I hate to use the typical "b-but the Soviet Union didn't practice communism!" but...yeah.

That's so played out though that I will say that I am not a communist and that state socialism in the Soviet vein did not and will never work.

>>283323

Liberals? EVOLVING?

Well, maybe the average Joe Liberal around the world, but the Liberals of /new/ are retarded to the point Sarah Palin is more intelligent than them.

>>283315
Why would I care about numbers you pulled out of your ass when people have poured over records to find these answers for a century

I wish liberals would evolve more. You know, like conservatives do.

>>283240
Sharon quote is fake, broseph

Also lol at Americans saying the Soviet Union was "liberal". Says it all, really.