FUCK YEAH AMERICAN CONSTITUTION

EAT IT, LEFTISTS

ALSO: POSTING IN A STICKY

first

TEA PARTY

ALEXI FOR SENATE ILLINOIS FUCK YEAR

Also,

>greentext = support for Green Party

Whoever wins, we lose

>>2724944
Posting in a sticky.

Republicans about to take back what is theirs.

Vote, if you don't, you are relinquishing your say in the government and are accepting the life of a mere peon living in the land of a feudal lord that you do not know.

>GREENTEXT FOR GREEN PARTY

i'm not voting because im a stoner

I wonder how many lefties will commit suicide

I cant believe we have mods on this board ...............

Don't forget to vote for this guy.

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mods?
on /new/?
THILLY GOOTH YOU DON'T BELONG HERE

>>2724944

We know you do not exist. Who are you?

>>2725003
A great likelyhood, but not a given.

my vote doesn't matter, and i'm lazy, so probably not voting

the next two years are going to be the funniest 2 years ever in politics if these tea party nuts like rand paul, sharron angle and joe miller win

Voting for Republican senators, Republican Governor, Democratic House Memeber

>People in my state are going to reelect David Vitter

Feels bad man.

>>2725028
yeah sure it will be funny until somebody gets hurt
somebody like iran
and then us
again

I was going to vote but it's in a church so I'm not.

also I can't walk there easily

I can't go vote. It's fucking midnight.

Republicans winning at least one house is the best thing to happen to Obama. He now has an enemy to blame if things go wrong. Constantly blaming Bush grew old and blaming Republicans when he had majorities was really weak. Obama will take credit if Republicans turn things around and will probably win another term

>>2724944

THERE ARE MODS ON /NEW/?

But but but the Racism? The CP? WTF?!?!

>Go vote or don't vote or whatever. It's your constitutional right.
God bless the usa, where its your right to be a lazy nigger then bitch about nothing changing like a pathetic baby.

Is this the same brain doner of a mod that was going to vote 3rd party? Sounds just as bright

>>2725028
rand paul is not that batshit insane compared to the other tea party nut jobs.

>>2725059
>>Republicans winning at least one house is the best thing to happen to Obama

Ah, the sweet sweet smell of psychological rationalization.

>GREENTEXT FOR GREEN PARTY

>>2724968
how about, no

I'll do my part and endorse Isaac Hayes, if you live in the right District. He's a hell of a lot better than that faggot Jesse Jackson Jr. so I don't see why you wouldn't vote for him.

Also, Kirk for senate, Brady for governor, although I'd rather have the Libertarian dude, but that's not going to happen.

>mfw

>>2725064
to get banned here, you must make talk shit to the mods

>>2725039
CHARLIE MELANCON SPENT MILLIONS OF YOUR MONIES TAKING PERSONAL VACATIONS

>>2725052

honestly president obama is just going to veto anything they try that isn't moderate, and john bohner already said he won't compromise with dems. I kind of want them to win the house because i want to see obama's fighting side come out

>>2725029

>>2725059

Nice to know that you're giving republicans credit for something.

voted all democratic in ohio already. umad?

>>2725087

how about bill brady is way to far right to govern illinois effectively, the republicans won't win the state house or senate, mark kirk is the biggest flip flopper/conformist to the tea party ever and jesse jackson jr. is a crook

Politics is a fools crusade and anyone stupid enough to feel they are entitled to a say in how to regulate the lives of other people, ie mob rule, deserves their soon to be collapsing economy/empire. Never change, sheep.

>americans
>vote

Remember kids, vote Republican. That way when shit goes wrong you can still blame the president but at least say there's nothing wrong with congress.

A vote for the GOP is a vote for Israel!
>The Tea Party movement has officially spread overseas. Reuters reports that Israel's version launched a "Say No to Obama" rally on Sunday to help Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu "reject Obama's pressure to bend to Palestinian conditions for the revival of flagging peace talks."

I plan to vote for Libertarians and a few Republicans, goodbye Liberals! I wish I could say it was fun!

Oh boy, I can't wait to pick between voting for the Ultra Conservative Republican or the Mega Conservative Democrat! Neither of which I agree with on almost any issue!

It's like I really have a choice!

A MOD ON /NEW/???, I NEVER THOUGH I SEE THE DAY

>americans
>vote.

>>2725059
conservative here. This is correct. I have been saying this for a long time.

relevant
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VUvtlmlBbDg

>>2725039
I feel ya, I bet half the people in my state going to vote tomorrow don't even know that Richard Shelby is up for re-re-re-re-re-election this year.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Shelby#Tenure
Seriously he assumed one of our senate seats a year before I was even born, and he was a US House member YEARS before that.
Feels bad man..

>americans.
>vote

My predictions are 60+ in the House, and 5-8+ in the Senate. Whatever happens they're certainly taking the House.

>mfw we spend billions of dollars each election to encourage people to vote but spend only a fraction of that money educating people on where the politician stands on issues

These "get out the vote" campaigns are entirely misguided. They shouldnt be aimed at mobilizing the ignorant masses, they should be focused on educating the people who care enough to actually go out and vote without having to be told by their favorite celebrity that its the "cool thing" to do.

>Implying Atheism isn't a religion

>Mid-term elections tomorrow

AND NOT A SINGLE FUCK WAS GIVEN THAT DAY.

>>2725236
But then niggers and poor people will vote and we will end up like Sweden.

>>2725219
T_T

>>2724944
WE HAVE MODS? Hey, how's it going?
Why hasn't m00t removed this board yet or renamed it /pol/?

I hope I get disenfranchised on the way there.

BRING BACK LITERACY TESTS

But I'm Canadian...I have a right to vote tomorrow?? Thats awesome! Voting straight tea party, they are funny and will bolster my purchasing power when I visit the USA!

Hey amerifags, if your vote is electronic how do you know there isn't an electoral fraud going on?

picrelated

>voting Republican

>>2725236
>implying America isn't a cesspool of retards.
>implying that even the small minority of "informed" people base their decisions off of rational choices that fix society's problems and not hurrr durr cominazi dumbocrats or hurrr durr bible humping corporate robots.

>midterms

>republicans

>democrats

>>2725282

dats raciss homie

Whatever happens tomorrow, there's gonna be some kinda fuckhuge shitstorm, the likes of which have not been seen in a very long time.

>>2725006

Zog I in 2012

Don't forget to vote tomorrow. Remember, you make all the difference - when it comes to how long people have to stand in line.

If you don't vote you can't complain.

Or if you vote you can't complain.

Your choice.

>>2724944
Mod can you make a sticky to keep race related topics out of /new/ ?

>>2725427
>Typical liberal trying to shut up people who don't agree with him

>>2725427
Of course he cant. Seems the mods cant do anything that requires effort.

Why don't we just vote on ideas rather than people? Vote for actions rather than hope that the person you vote in isn't a liar (he is. he's in politics. I'm used to it.). Vote for actions rather than words.

I stopped voting when I realized I was choosing the lesser of two evils rather than good.

I can't wait to vote republican tomorrow. Fuck Obama.

Could someone please just fucking tell me how late the god damn voting places are open tomorrow? Can't fucking find that shit ANYWHERE online.

HOW THE FUCK LATE DO THE VOTING PLACES STAY OPEN!??!?!??!?!??!?!?!?!???!??!?!??!?!?!

I am going to be an election judge.

>Mfw I have to be up in 5 hours.

>>2725443
>implying republicans don't do the same shit.

"hurr durr why you dun hate murka? u'ken git outtt!!!"

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Careful, there may be time niggers in this sticky.

>>2725453

because then people would actually have to solve their own problems instead of voting moronically for someone else to take care of it. In a free market, you don't vote on what color tie should be produced. Everyone gets what they want without that embarrassing and barbaric mob rule mechanism.

What state are you in and what are your ballot questions?

MA here:
Question 1:Repeal state sales tax on alcohol
Question 2: Repeal chapter 40b (changes how licensing for low income / affordable housing are issued)
Question 3: Cut sales tax from 6.25% to 3.0%

So /new/, with your (not necessarily serious) strong views on political issues, do you follow or get involved in local politics?

Hi mod.

>Voting Laura Wells and yes on 19

Ausfag here

Enjoy your two party duopoly. While we've got a hung parliment where minor parties actually have a voice.

>>2725473

Google, your sample ballot, call your county government's offices, etc.

>mfw people still think voting matters and its not already pre decided by people who run the world

Here's my final prediction for the House, now that it's officially Election Day morning

>>2725553

>>So /new/, with your (not necessarily serious) strong views on political issues, do you follow or get involved in local politics?

When possible. Although often I find at least my local government to be even more corrupt that our state or national government/representatives. Where I live it doesn't matter who you vote for, they're all crooked. The county workers run the entire show.

I voted a week ago. Straight democrat.

>>2725635
>brofist

>>2725611
Even Sabato and Cook aren't calling it that high. There are going to be a few seats Republicans lose, I think that's being totally overlooked. Also you should go ahead and turn IL-17 into a solid red, I work there and our last poll has it going solid red for the new guy.

>Voting for Kendrick Meek for Senate and Alex Sink for Governor of my State. I would vote for a green party candidate if someone ran in my state.

>>2725318
There is an obscene amount of corruption going on, and if you call people out on it you're a racist.

>>2725611
>>2725611
that seems pretty much to be what I think...except Applacian New York, and Cleveland and rural Ohio will go red, and the Iron Range in Minnesota will go blue

overall pickups: 78 (tons of little districts I can't see there, like MA-4 and MD-5)

>>2725650

I disagree. If anything the gains in the House might be even LARGER. Usually the races tighten right before the election, by the numbers I've seen the Republicans are widening their gains over their opponents. In the generic poll by Gallup, for the first time since they started polling, Republicans are up by 15%. This is going to be a blowout tomorrow.

>>2725650
They have too much credibility to stake on high predictions. Cautious estimation, for them, is the way to go, since if they're wrong in that they didn't predict a bigger win, at least they can't be called partisan hacks.

I used to have it at +60, but then I looked at the margin map and the latest Gallup generic ballot number and assumed that a lot of these Democrats are going to have their party crashed on by a massive wave.

Barbara Boxer for Senate
No fucking idea for governor, shit.
I don't fucking care about props.

WHO THE FUCK SHOULD I VOTE FOR GOVERNOR FELLOW CALIFAGS? Or maybe other statefags who know about Jerry Brown and Meg Whitman.

>>2725657
Kendrick Meek man? Really?

>>2725693

>>Gallup's historical model suggests that a party needs at least a two-point advantage in the national House vote to win a majority of the 435 seats. The Republicans' current likely voter margin suggests that this scenario is highly probable, making the question of interest this election not whether the GOP will win the majority, but by how much. Taking Gallup's final survey's margin of error into account, the historical model predicts that the Republicans could gain anywhere from 60 seats on up, with gains well beyond that possible.

>>making the question of interest this election not whether the GOP will win the majority, but by how much

>>Republicans could gain anywhere from 60 seats on up, with gains well beyond that possible.

>>2725713
I used to have it at 40+...then I started looking at 538 and 270 and Gallup and holy fucksticks...this is 70+ 80+ a slim possibility

he is right through I think the Republicans are going to lose like 3 or 4 seats

>>2725718
BROWN FOR FUCKS SAKE BROWN

and Im voting Fiorina for senate too, Boxer is a fucking airhead

>>2725729
I made sure to account for those losses when I did the map

Off the top of my head, I have IL-10 (Mark Kirk's seat), LA-2 (Joseph Cao's seat) going blue this year

I think Charles Djou in Hawaii can hold on though, since he's been able to maintain competitiveness in what is usually a very safe Democratic seat. 538 is only predicting a 2 point victory for the Democrat in a district with a CPVI of D+11

>>2725629

The problem with the candidates running for sheriff here is figuring out which is less of a criminal.

It's amazing how much misery is needed to cut through the Democrats' bullshit from the last decade!
And the shoveling has only just begun...

I can't wait to watch the liberal tears tomorrow night.

>my face when this sticky gets over 2k replies

CALLING IT

Illinois guy here.
I am voting straight green here, on every single one because there is a green candidate for everything.

>>2725720
Who else would you have me vote for. Rubio is a thieving scoundrel and Christ is a political contortionist who I can't trust.

I can't wait for the liberal tears to flow.

>implying that matters what you predict because Nate Silver is always right.

http://fivethirtyeight.blogs.nytimes.com/

I fucking hate election day. I get messages, emails, and cellphone texts from all of my goddamn friends telling me who to vote for, like I give a fuck.

Seriously. Don't FUCKING tell me who to vote for. I'll make that decision myself, thank you.

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-20021404-503544.html

Did you guys see this shit? fucking DOJ deploying federal agents to polling areas to make sure people arent 'discriminated' against...except they are only in 18 states or so, hmmm all possible places where republicans could win, fucking strange....

>>2724944
>Go vote or don't vote or whatever. It's your constitutional right.

Mod confirmed for a faggot liberal that doesn't understand the constitution...

The constitution doesn't grant rights. It merely protects unalienable rights of the individual from the state by explicitly stating what the government can not do. The constitution does not magically bestow rights to individuals and if you think it does, you are probably a faggot liberal just like the mod...

lol posting in a sticky on /new/

VOTING CONSERVATIVE TOMORROW!!!!!

"Its morning in america again"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EU-IBF8nwSY

>>2725635

You are very unique!

>>2725657
>>2725657

As a fellow Florida fag, why would you vote for those fags... if you don't like the candidates offered, then don't vote the lesser of the evils....

don't be that faggot

>>2724968
FUCK ALEXI.

BRADY BRADY BRADY KIRK.

I'm voting for 19 and voting out Boxer. Fuck that bitch.

Lets see if my generation has any balls for some real change.

>>2725860
>Rubio is a thieving scoundrel

Wow, one accusation of misusing a party credit card makes someone a thieving scoundrel?

Rand Paul, Demint, and Rubio better win

Hope you Liberals are ready to be kicked out of Congress!

WE'RE TAKING AMERICA BACK!

>>2725941
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>>2725933
They're all pretty much guaranteed to score a victory by double-digit margins at this point

Rand Paul is leading by 15 in the latest poll, DeMint by 37, and Rubio by 13

>>2725946
GOD BLESS AMERICA
LAND THAT I LOVE
STAND BESIDE HER
AND GUIDE HER
THROUGH THE NIGHT
WITH THE LIGHT
FROM ABOOOOOOVVVVEEEEEE

FROM THE MOUNTAINS
TO THE PRAIRIES
TO THE OCEANS WHITE WITH FOAM!
OH GOD BLESS AMERICA
MY HOME, SWEET, HOME!
GOD BLESS AMERICA
MY HOME, SWEET, HOME.

>>2725950
I agree! Vote left, infidels! If you don't, we'll be super pissed!

>>2725957

Thats pretty cool, but i wish schiff and medina had won as well. its a start i guess

>>2725968
P-Please, Effendi! I'm doing the best I can to stop the Patriots! Don't take your anger out on me, your humble servant!

>>2725922

lol enjoy the infighting in Springfield when brady becomes governor.

Tea party governor + democratic state house and senate=illinois is still going to suck ass

>>2725986
You'd better put an end to those goddamn christian patriots, or so help me Allah, I will destroy you.

>>2725865
The liberal tears have always been flowing.
The Republicans have always filibustered any thing the Democrats wanted to get passed.It would make no difference if congress is split.
Because everything will be dead locked .

>>2725974
Schiff never had a chance in a state like Connecticut.

Hardcore libertarians and intellectuals like him should run in deep red states in the South or West.

Conservatives may seem anti-intellectual but really they're just pissed at arrogant smart people who disagree with them.

>mfw the new congress acts even more childishly than Gingrich's did, nothing gets done, and Obama wins the 2012 election because of republican impotence

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you guys are fucking creepy

I'm really going to laugh when Harry Reid loses to the worst candidate ever. Couldn't happen to a better guy.

I would argue that Washington State has the best chance of making a fucking horrible choice tomorrow.

The choices? A legitimate, real, anti-corruption progressive democrat who came from middle class roots and raised her own kids, no nannies, Patty Murray.

And a honest-to-god hardcore scumsucking bottom feeder. He's got self-made middle class roots, but he took money for campaigns from scummy contractors, he literally took voting cues (while in the state senate) from those same shady heavily partisan constructions firms. He ran a bank that got bailed out and hedged open mortgages and made millions on what amounts to what we now know is theft. He ran for governor twice and lost once (in 2004 I honestly don't think we'll ever know who won between him and Gregoire, I'm just glad our Sec. of State [a republican] was honest and ran the recounts, yes plural, straight and honestly) and only wants to be in a position of power and profit for himself and his buddies.

For the love of god Washingtonians, vote for Patty Murray, I really believe this is beyond political philosophy, you need to vote in the administrator and the honest statesman, not the scumbag, party be damned.

>>2726010
Gingrich ran that Congress like a motherfucker and got shit done all while making Clinton his bitch. Newt is a pretty cool guy, eh shut down the Federal government and doesn't afraid of anything.

This can't be denied fool.

>>2726010
>Implying Democrats aren't incompetent as the the Republicans are.

>>2725995
Yes, yes of course my master! I will see to it right away! Those American Patriots will never know what hit them! I'll veto every bill that their congress passes, and make everything deadlocked as much as possible! I'll ramp up my media and make them look as stupid as possible as often as possible! I'll force the new mosque to be build mere yards from your glorious triumph on 9/11, and I'll pray to Allah every day as often as possible!

Illinoisans, there's only one choice for Senate tomorrow.

Take the military hero, the man who ACTUALLY SERVED HIS COUNTRY and bragged about it because that's what politicians do.

It's between a big-mouthed patriot and a Monopoly money banker who sold out college kids with Bright Start and gave loans to felonious mobsters.

I'm left-of-center, and there's only one choice here.

>>2726037
Good...good...

>>2726036
double "the"

>>2726010

Are you kidding? I hope that nothing gets done, if that is the only thing Republicans are able to do in office I'll be happy. If nothing gets done that means Obama and Democrats can't fuck up our country further. On that same line of thought I really don't care if Obama wins in 2012 as long as Republicans hold Congress. Not to mention with Obama's polling, if he is, by a miracle, able to win in 2012, a Republican will most certainly win in 2016.

I support Aqua Buddha

>>2726033

Is that why the democrats picked up seats in the House and Senate and got re-elected to the Presidency in 1996? Or was it because Rush Limbaugh got lazy?

Voting against Dayton and Walz tomorrow here in Minnesota. I hope the faggots in the iron range vote out Oberstar.

>>2726033
Actually, according to Tom DeLay, one of GIngrich's fellow 1994 republicans,

" "He told a room full of reporters that he forced the shutdown because Clinton had rudely made him and Bob Dole sit at the back of Air Force One...Newt had been careless to say such a thing, and now the whole moral tone of the shutdown had been lost. What had been a noble battle for fiscal sanity began to look like the tirade of a spoiled child. The revolution, I can tell you, was never the same."

He shut down the government because he didn't get the cool kids seat

pretty cool guy indeed

What's with you chumps and "voting" on election day? I turned my ballot last week.

>>2726046
Not so fast! I got everything you just said on tape, and I'm going to turn you all in to the proper authorities! Mr. President, you're under arr---AAAHGHGSHAAAA

>>2726101

Is this some giant hoax where we never talk about what the fuck we are voting for? I don't live in america so please fucking enlighten me.

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>>2726063
Republicans had to defend dozens of freshmen after taking control of Congress for the first time in decades, of course it's not surprising they lost seats.

Clinton won because of TRIANGULATION and his appeal as a "Third Way" Democrat. Bob Dole overall just sucked and didn't have anything to bring to the table that was much different.

>>2726116
1 down, 310,000,000 to go.

Inshallah.

>>2726097
Something tells me he might have been trying to make a joke and it went horribly wrong

>he thinks america can't win a war against barbarians in the desert

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>>2726097

Gingrich was a mixed bag, you had to take the good and the bad with him. And personally, for my tastes, he was too liberal. Now with more Tea Party candidates I'm hoping the House has more clear direction, focus, and purpose.

>>2726044

You are either deluding yourself in thinking you are left-of-center, or you are lying.

>>2726114

>>Is this some giant hoax where we never talk about what the fuck we are voting for? I don't live in america so please fucking enlighten me.

What do you want to know? Why we are voting out the Democrats?

>>2726130
Ugh, you got that American pig's blood on my hands! Someone hand me a wipe so I can get this filth off of me.

>>2726114

This is America.
We vote for party/people, not ideas.
Whoever is most charismatic wins, especially if they have a lot of money to spend.

>>2726133

Yeah, cause entitled politicians who believe the country exists to serve their beliefs and whims has NEVER done anything petty before.

The fix was in, when the '94 budget passed and Newt made it THE campaign issue of the year and the central piece of the Contract with America. He was planning the shut down from the second he had the majority election night.

>MFW Prop 19

>>2726142
Thanks for the advice, random commenter. I actually worked for the guy because I truly believe he's the better candidate. I voted for Obama, I love the health care bill and know if won't be repealed. You are probably the kind of liberal that is happy to see Russ Feingold losing his race so it can "purify" the new, weaker Dem Senate majority.

When you grow up a little bit you'll see that strict ideologies are only something to trip yourself over. Moderates with real accomplishments get my vote, hence left-of-center.

>>2726161
No not about superficial parties, I mean what the fuck are you voting for. A nation wide orgy or beer for children? I am seriously confused at the point of this.

>>2726178
lol I voted against Prop 19 because I'm not a worthless stoner loser. I actually have a life and ambitions, and I know (as cliche as it sounds) that drugs really are for losers.

Grow up potheads.

>>2725932
I wouldn't say spending over 100,000 dollars of parties money on suits and dinners an effiecient use of party funds. He is a scoundrul for wanting to overturn Roe V Wade and wanting to put Arizona style immigration policies in Florida(but not for Cubans, because Cubans get special treatment in Florida).

Remember, when you are sealed in the voting cubicle, vote for me Senator Ka- Bob Dole!

>>2726204
Somebody force feed this guy DMT and 3 grams DXM. It's not all fun and games dickhead.

>>2726196

Lib-Prog here, I'm 100% with you, man. I don't know much about Illinois politics, I'm a Washington State (of mind) resident and made the Patty Murray post. The recount of our 2004 Gubernatorial election (which had 3 results from 3 counts) was the reason I voted for our republican Sec. of State, I'm voting for Patty Murray because she's the honest administrator and real leader, her republican opponent is pure scum to the core, my politics are incidental.

Vote for leaders and for what they'll do, not party.

REMEMBER WHAT GEORGE WASHINGTON TOLD US ABOUT PARTIES BEFORE YOU VOTE!!!

>mfw everyone tells me to vote and nobody knows who we're voting for

>>2726232
Well I'm a washingtonfag and voted for rossi so looks like I canceled out your vote!

>>2726220
DXM is a hell of a drug...
>MFW I saw the Hills Have Eyes (lol, right?) on DXM

Oh my fucking lawd

>>2726204

A Rand Institute study shows that pot prices will decrease 60-80% and it will legitimize the single largest cash crop in California. Tax revenues could be upwards of a billion dollars over a decade and will cut income to Mexican cartels by 13-25%.

You voted 'No' to be a dick and because of conservative moral faggotry, not because you actually think it's the better choice.

The shit is defacto legal in every major city on the Pacific Coast, legalizing it just makes it an industry and a tax revenue source, it changes nothing in terms of usage or social constructs.

>vote for candidates because of issues, not party
>they get into office and do nothing

Sometimes it really feels like a waste of time to even bother researching each candidate's issues. If they don't flip flop before they get elected, then they end up having no power when they DO get elected. Either way, nothing gets done.

>>2726198

>>No not about superficial parties, I mean what the fuck are you voting for. A nation wide orgy or beer for children? I am seriously confused at the point of this.

I'm voting to put a stop to the reckless federal spending, foreign military occupation, and overreaching social entitlement programs. So obviously Democrats must go.

>>2726251

Why did you vote for Rossi? I'm not going to berate you and be an idiot, I'm going to engage you if you're not just a troll. Why did you vote for Rossi?

Go Rand!

Regardless of what happens today, Obama's Jewish masters will make sure he gets a second term.

>>2726275

Reckless spending was invented by republican in the 1980's and perfected in the naughts. Short term debt spending in vital to bringing back the economy (Bank Bailout and Stimulus accounted for 6.5-8.5% GDP growth in '08 and '09 according to Chicago and Stanford economists), foreign occupations will continue and 'emergency spending' will come back under republicans, Obama has the republican position on Afghanistan.

Unemployment pays back more than invested, as does food stamps and public investments (infrastructure, payroll tax holidays, college loan reform) pay off more than invested according to the non-partisan Tax Institute.

You're wrong, if you want to get rid of the federal government, vote libertarian, not some shithead opportunist Republican neo-con.

Fuck the Titanic parties.

This is me reminding you to do the right thing today.
The Dems were elected and handed almost unlimited power, and they didn't do shit, besides go on a liberal spending spree. Like a kid locked in a candy store, they went wild and took everything.

>>2726357

Well if you review my statement I didn't say anything about voting Republican. I just said explicitly I'm not voting for Democrats.

We have had reckless Keynesian economic policy since FDR. With massive social programs and warflationary spending from Democrats like JFK and LBJ that dwarf the Bush spending and occupation. Our current problems with deficit spending can be traced back to Nixon removing the gold standard with Carter having the first post-war running deficits, inlarging the national debt that no president since has reduced.

>>foreign occupations will continue and 'emergency spending' will come back under republicans, Obama has the republican position on Afghanistan.

More reason not to vote for Republicans or Democrats. Obama has seriously disappointed me in this regard, with more troops and military efforts in Afghanistan and Pakistan.

>>Unemployment pays back more than invested, as does food stamps and public investments (infrastructure, payroll tax holidays, college loan reform) pay off more than invested according to the non-partisan Tax Institute.

Even if those numbers and what you said were accurate, which is absolutely laughable, like when Speaker Pelosi said "unemployment benefits are actually "Job creating" and that unemployment benefits "Create jobs faster than almost any other initiative you can name." The majority of the Obama spending and "stimulus" hasn't gone to things like infrastructure or food stamps, most of the tax payers money went to Democratic Congrssional pork and to the big banks.

>>2724969
Looks more like piss yellow.

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This is me reminding you to do the right thing today.
The Repubs will be elected and handed almost unlimited power, and they won'tt do shit, besides go on a spending spree. Like a kid locked in a candy store, they will go wild and take everything.

>>2726455

Leadbetter Act
Credit Card
Bank Act
Health Care
Stimulus (grew the GDP about 4%)
Reform of many regulatory bodies
FDA given teeth again
Non-insane Supreme Ct justices

That's off the top of my head.

>>2726471

So the logical conclusion is: the more people lose their jobs - the more jobs will be created - and the economy gets a big boost?

OK - I'm totally confident in Democrat leadership now.

Vote Green.

If you want America back you should vote for the Tea Party, anything else is bullshit

The 10 values of the Green Party

>Go vote or don't vote or whatever
> or whatever

lolwat

>>2724985
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>>2726471

Then vote libertarian.

Honest question, which party that the stupid masses vote for is the better party for the country? Honestly, they're both awful, sure, but which one is less awful?

>>2726498
>a liberal spending spree

>>2726541
Isn't this chart a case to not vote libertarian....?

I have to choose between Angle and Reid?
Fuck both of them!
I'll vote Angle because I don't want my state's senator as the majority leader. Also, she'll probably lose in the primary when reelection comes along.

If you don't wanna vote for anybody, then at least go vote on any Legislation is up for vote. It's kinda like you're doing some direct democracy, and if enough people do this you'll start getting huge discrepancies between the number of people that voted versus the number of people that voted for elected officials, and maybe they'll notice that.

>>2725473
>HOW THE FUCK LATE DO THE VOTING PLACES STAY OPEN!??!?!??!?!??!?!?!?!???!??!?!??!?!?!

http://www.vote411.org/pollfinder.php

I don't care if other people have already posted an answer I want in on the action too

Hey anon these elections are managed locally/by the state. Some places will be open later than others. There is not a national 'Polls Closed' time, it varies.

Yep yep.

Voting straight ticket Communist tomorrow!

>>2726585
you faggot Reid's gonna lose his position even if the Dems keep the Senate
In January the Dems will caucus in DC and vote for their leaders; there is strong opposition to both Pelosi and Reid.
No matter what happens, neither one of them will have a position at the top any longer.

>>2726585

Enjoy your Nuclear waste dump and compulsory biblical re-education courses

>>2726585

You really think you can put up with that level of crazy for 6 years? The better part of a decade?

>>2726576

The dude was questioning my source of return of public investment, so I posted it.

The dude still was crazy libertarian, so I asked an honest, civil question about the two parties.

I'm not a member of an organized political party, I'm a democrat.

>>2726541

That chart says, "tax cuts bad, welfare good"
Definitely not Libertarian.

wiping my ass with the ballot tomorrow. if you're counting them and get a shitstained one, it was probably mine

My body is slowly turning into OP's pic. The only difference is my gut is nowhere near as ridiculous, and I have long ass arms and legs.

The problem is my upper body is small, my posture is worsening, and any weight I gain goes straight to the back and chest...I'm thinking about suicide but will give it a years worth of cardio first to see if I can reverse it..so far it's been 3 months and no change.

>>2726541

I would vote libertarian, but the libertarian parties in the US are a fucking joke. I even tried making my own, and the only people who ever showed up were the kinds of tea party lunatics who you see on the street corner a couple blocks from an Obama rally screaming about how we can't let the gays get married and how we can't let Oregon have medical pot dispensaries and how the government needs to force everybody to convert to Christianity. I tried to work with what I had and turn them into true libertarians, but when they found out I wasn't a fascist like them, they turned on me. I feel kind of bad because I helped some of these psychos meet each other.

No. The democrats might be incompetent pussies, but at least their beliefs line up with mine somewhat. And I'm not stupid enough to vote republican after their long history of trying to stick the governments nose into my private life.

>>2726498

>>Health Care

Incredibly unpopular and nationally opposed. Not a national health care system, or reforms to our existing system, but rather mandated enrollment to preexisting private health insurance companies. Likely to be ruled Unconstitutional.

>>Stimulus (grew the GDP about 4%)

Billions-trillions spent on the stimulus, large amounts lost and unaccounted for(by own admission of Vice-President Biden and Elizabeth Warren), real unemployment around 20% far above White House estimates with stimulus, inconsistent gdp and wall street growth, and more unfunded national debt having been added.

>>Reform of many regulatory bodies

Like? Certainly not the Department of the Interior. Remember the oil spill?

>>FDA given teeth again

You mean expansion of Federal Executive power trying to supercede Congressional Constitutionally delegated authority? We'll see how that holds up in court.

>>Non-insane Supreme Ct justices

You mean the two unspectacular, inexperienced, token, minority, activist liberals on the bench? Great!

>>2726642
>implying American "Libertarians" are at all libertarian
American "Libertarians" are part of the GOP and thus support government bans on abortion, gay marriage, drugs, and equal rights legislation.

Tea party=Shit

>>2726637
Reid's been our Senator since the 80's and he hasn't done shit about Yucca Mountain or gotten our state any compensation.
Biblical studies in our schools? Shit, at least they'll be learning something. I live in the "Dumbest city in America." Most kids around here drop out anyway.
And we have the worst economy and housing market in the whole fucking country. Doesn't help that Reid's buddy Obama is telling people not to spend their money here.

Whichever candidate is elected we're fucked..

>>2726455
>implying inaction
The 111th Congress has been more productive than any in the past half century.
Some accomplishments:

--The health care overhaul, a giant step toward universal coverage that had eluded presidents back to Franklin Roosevelt if not Teddy Roosevelt.

--The stimulus that saved the economy.

--Financial reform that will help prevent a future crisis.

--Making college loans more affordable.

--The Cash for Clunkers program that helped rejuvenate the auto industry.

--New consumer protections for credit card users.

--Making it easier for women to challenge pay discrimination.

--Increasing federal regulation of tobacco products.

--Cracking down on waste in Pentagon weapons acquisition.

--Making attacks based on sexual orientation a federal hate crime.

--Giving businesses tax incentives to hire unemployed workers.

--Tax credits for first-time homeowners.

So where is the love?

Well, I sure found my candidate!

>>2726716
The 3rd reich was the most productive in period Germany's history, what do you know.

>>2726732

>implying the teabaggers and the GOP don't cream themselves at the thought of the Fuhrer being reborn to lead them to glorious racial purity.
>implying they wouldn't be the first ones that get sent to the death camps.

>>2726635

How is the majority leader in the senate picked? A simple vote by senate democrats? Like with the speaker in the House? Is it possible to have a speaker of the house a different party than the majority party?

>>2726672

>Health Care
I'll just lean on the old stand by, it's parts are popular propaganda has turned people against it. I wish it was tougher and had a public OPTION, meaning people can choose between a plain cheap plan or an expensive crazy one.

>Stimulus
First off, Elizabeth Warren was on the oversight committee for the Bailout and said there was unaccounted for money from that from before she took over, get your facts straight. 4% GDP over 2 years equates about $1.2 trillion, stimulus cost $787 and the bailout after being paid back will cost tax payers less than $100 billion, thank republicans for that.

>Regulatory

http://www.tnr.com/article/politics/the-quiet-revolution

Seriously, read the whole thing, I'm trying to be civil here. It's not perfect, but it's happening, damnit!

>FDA given teeth

Nope, I mean the congressional act making the FDA functional again.

http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd?bill=s111-510&tab=summary

>Supreme Ct.
Inexperienced? Sotomayor was on the appellate court for 12 years and originally nominated to the district court by George HW Bush. Kagen was solicitor general and the dean of Harvard Law School. Inexperienced? What?

>>2726756

Big surprise, Reid is supported by the lobbyists, special interest groups, and big corporations. He is the perfect embodiment of the Washington insider.

>>2726514

I used to not care about the Green Party. Now I hate them.

>mfw Republicans take the House and split the Senate
>mfw Obama can't pass a bill affirming that the sky is blue without it dying in committee
>mfw his next 9 nominations for the Supreme Court get voted down
>mfw Obama is the only President unable to confirm a Deputy Secretary of the Treasury for his entire first term
>mfw the Republican party "stands athwart history, yelling, stop!"

>>2726657

Dude, I'm a liberal, but that is honestly just really depressing. I disagree with a lot of what your believe, but the fact that people can't even listen to you or have a discussion with you is just...sad. Seriously I really wish that libertarian were a real party in this country, I wish they could participate in debates (like they did in my state for the senate seat back in '06), I wish they could get a few congressional seats to keep people honest. Just like I wish the Green Party could do the same. I mean, I don't think there's much to discuss, we know where we stand and disagree on...but...damn...I guess keep fighting the good fight and be straight, honest and just nice with people and maybe they'll start listening to you.

See ya in 2012.

Nevadafag reporting in!
If Reid gets away this election I'll shoot myself, that is all.

>>2726773

I'll give you Sotomayor, but Kegan served less than one year as Solicitor General and her time as dean of Harvard Law School was in an academic capacity for half the time Sotomayor served as an actual judge.

>>2726716
>implying action is a good thing when I hate most of the actions listed

>>2725072
if you're a lazy somabitch who doesn't wanna vote, why would you WANT such a lazy somabitch to have a say? Wouldn't, by default, their opinion not be based on significant thought and debate, and thus potentially support someone for horrible reasons?

I'm voting Green Party governor and senator, but dem house rep because fuck republicans, and I'm voting for myself as a write in candidate for everything else.

>>2726763
It's usually a high seniority Senator and always of the majority party. They caucus - the Democrats will gather in one room, the Republicans in another. Each group will vote on its leaders.

In a normal year, they would just re-elect Reid to Majority Leader, but in this political climate Democratic Senators are being pushed to publicly declare their opposition to him.

>>2726816

Kagen has been writing opinions since college and is considered a pre-eminant legal scholar. She's LESS experienced, but not inexperienced.

Any response on anything else?

christ is the write in candidate

>>2726838

If Reid losses, it'll almost definetly be Dick Durbin of Illinois, but a slim chance of Patty Murray or Pay Lehey.

>pre-eminant legal scholar
>Kagen
you're cute

A vote for Sharron Angle is a vote for Dick Durbin as the next Senate leader.

Don't know how that influences your vote, but.

>>2726842

> writing opinions and never having really done anything else makes you qualified to sit on the highest court in the US.

I voted democrat with some green party stuck in there when there was no option for democrat.

Texas, by the way. Fuck republicans.

>>2726773

I was mixed up with Elizabeth Warren, but I stand by my criticism of the stimulus. On health care and regulatory reforms we're going to have to agree to disagree. I thought you said EPA, not FDA, so I'm going to have to review your link before I can comment. I still think the SC nominees were partisan choices, and I would have perferred Kagan to have actual judicial experience.

>>2726859
Chuckie would like a word with you

>>2726854

Still not hearing an actual argument, on Kagen or on anything else from my post.

>>2726773

>>2726672
>>Health Care: Incredibly unpopular and nationally opposed. Not a national health care system, or reforms to our existing system, but rather mandated enrollment to preexisting private health insurance companies. Likely to be ruled Unconstitutional.

I disagree, commerce clause has basically absolved the bill from being overturned on those grounds.
>>Stimulus (grew the GDP about 4%): Billions-trillions spent on the stimulus, large amounts lost and unaccounted for(by own admission of Vice-President Biden and Elizabeth Warren), real unemployment around 20% far above White House estimates with stimulus, inconsistent gdp and wall street growth, and more unfunded national debt having been added.

Unemployment is always the last thing to come back in a recession. If you look at productivity of workers in America it has drastically increased since the start of the recession. It would be unproductive for business owners to hire on people when their productivity is so high, it will take American workers productivity to sag before people start getting their jobs back.

>>Non-insane Supreme Ct justices

Well considering the most liberal person on the bench before Obama appointees was Mr. Stevens who was considered a moderate when he was assigned to the bench, I would say it's fine for Obama to appoint two liberals to the bench. It's obvious that the Supreme court leans conservative. It's completely unfair to the balance of power which those appointing justices are supposed to uphold when making their appointees. It's only in recent history with partisan bickering that we have stopped upholding that tradition of balance of power.

>>2726872
I have no interest in giving you one, I wasn't the one arguing with you. I'm just glad she's the last unqualified left-wing lesbian cunt Obama is going to get to push through.

>>2726870

No, none of the wishy washy 'agree-to-disagree' bullcrap. You factually refute my points or you admit I'm right. This isn't "Well it certainly is a good argument, but we'll have to leave it there [to advertise gold!]."

No, I'm not letting you go, refute my points or admit Obama has at least been ok.

>green party stuck in there when there was no option for democrat
how's the weather in Austin?

>>2726895
not in Austin and it's stormy as fuck.

>You factually refute my points or you admit I'm right.
>No, I'm not letting you go, refute my points or admit Obama has at least been ok.
-ahem- Mr. American liberal, your fascist is showing.

So, this thread is dying...
Reid sucks? Anyone?

>>2726925
>>implying the majority of America isn't asleep

>>2726925
LEAVE GRANNY FROM THE BEVERLY HILLBILLIES ALONE!

>>2726895
people commented about this, but I found that there was very very little green party support when I lived in austin.

They were all overwhealmingly democrat, cept for a couple of very proud libertarians...

>>2726887


>>No, none of the wishy washy 'agree-to-disagree' bullcrap. You factually refute my points or you admit I'm right. This isn't "Well it certainly is a good argument, but we'll have to leave it there [to advertise gold!]."
Why? You didn't factually refute my points on health care being overwhelming unpopular, certainly NOT deficit neutral(as it was advertised), not a SPS or national system but rather a corporate smorgasbord/wet dream which forces 100% of Americans into the hands of private health insurers, and beyond the authority of the commerce clause so likely to be ruled unconstituional.

Nor did you address the ever increasing levels of real unemployment hovering around 20%, which we were assured not to exceed 8% if the stimulus was passed. But to your point on the gdp "growth" obviously. a 3.2% annualized GDP growth rate is better than the -6.0% of a year ago, but it’s still not a figure that will create the kind of economic expansion that will move large numbers of Americans from unemployment rolls to payrolls. Even the White House acknowledges that much in its own projections of unemployment. Despite Obama’s claims above, we still aren’t at a level of net job creation, and the continuing status of initial jobless claims in the mid-400K range means we’re not even getting close to break-even yet. Don't even get me started on where our pathetic gpd growth is actually coming from., or at what cost to the American tax payer.

>>2726916
>Can't refute points so accuse me of being fascist

Fucking classy, dude. HITLER WAS A NAZI!!!

I'm not saying there should be political literacy tests at the polls, I'm calling YOU out and saying YOU can't refute any of my points which all point to Obama and the democrats at least doing ok, which was my main point.

>>2726993
don't bother.

The guy's response proved that he's only arguing not because he thinks you've made a mistake, but because he wants to be alpha and dominate over you.

factually refuting is basically saying "Either you quit now, or throw something at me that I can crush THEN make you quit"

He wants to feel good about himself by arguing, and that's the sign of a child.

I'm voting for the Libertarian rep on the ballot in my House district. Guy looks shady but whatever, if the Libs get in they'll show up on the map.

Otherwise, PA Senators/Governors. Unsure. Their platforms look exactly the same.

new has mods? since when?
also
>impying i dont get to imply
>fuck you

califag
no on 19
yes on 23
voting for jerry brown or at least anyone who is not meg whitman

The last presidential election was my first time voting. If I'm planning on voting at the polling place I didn't have to fill anything out, right?

>implying all fascists are Nazis and vice-versa
>implying either have political literacy tests at the polls
>implyng Obama and the democrats [are] at least doing ok
>which was your main point
>which is empirically wrong and requires no argument to refute

>>2726993

Ok, now we're talking!

Like I said, all polls say that individual parts of the health care bill ARE popular, QED democratic health care reform is popular, but the bill was so heavily propagandized that when you say "The health care bill!" People's pavlovian response is to say "MMMRRRAAAGH! BAAAAHD!!!" My pic is in regard to this.

Like I said, health care needs more, a public option and it's effectively budget neutral with the reforms to student loans, but won't save the $100+ billion advertised. Reform was ok as a start, needs more. As to it's legality, my belief is the Constitution is a living document and health care falls under commerce and/or general welfare clauses. And arguably the 16th Amendment as well.

Right now the private sector is creating jobs and the public sector is loosing them, a state aid package would probably add about million jobs in a year on its own. GDP growth is coming from public investment in works projects and stabilization of the banks and near zero interest rates for banks and lenders. Not preferable, but with consumption slumping in '08 and '09, this kept inflation in check (demonstrated by no automatic increases in social security and welfare benefits in either year). The American dollar is weakening, but that's because of even more aggressive government intervention to bolster economies, governments and the euro, not to mention currency manipulation by China and Japan.

I got a brilliant fucking idea.

Why don't we just let Republicans have all the power, not just most of it like in 2000, but ALL of it.

Let them fuck things up so badly and create so much class stratification, that we can have a real revolution. And not 'BAWWW, we lost the election, let's kill the other side' Like the teabaggers are planning on if they lose.


You have to destroy something in order to save it.

>>2727167

[continued]

REAL unemployment being at 20-ish% is a 30 year epidemic with numerous issues, not the least of which being the government literally paying companies to get rid of jobs in the US. This is the main reason I say Obama is OK and not necessarily good, that and Afghanistan, which new reports suggest that military commanders there are actively undermining the 'winning hearts and minds' strategy and killing leaders regardless of affiliation or willingness to co-operate.

I know it's a platitude, but as an econ major, I really honestly believe that a 2nd Great Depression was averted. And real economists in academia agree with me.

>>2727144
>which is empirically wrong and requires no argument to refute

Troll detected, or the single most oxymoronical statement made since empiricism was invented.

Please look up that word and get back to me.

Yes on 19
No on 23
Jerry Brown
Barbara Boxer

fuck your shit

>>2727117

Depends on what state you live in, most require you register 2-4 weeks before the election. But sounds like you're already registered, so you should be able to go to the same place you voted in last time and bring your voter registration card if required by law. And if you don't have it, go with ID, they'll probably make you sign a voter roll and then give you your ballot.

Hey mods since you're doing stuff can we get a name change for /new/ for the elections?
Kinda like how /sp/ changed to /wc/ for the world cup.
something like:
/nev/ - Nevada
/ss/ - Shitstorm

>>2727170
You do realize it's the Republicans that have 95% of the privately owned weapons right? With what will you be fighting your revolution against the government and loyalist citizenry? Rocks? Rolled up copies of the Sunday NY Times? I mean really.

http://bleacherreport.com/users/392961-galvin-kilroe

>Empiricism: a theory of knowledge that asserts that knowledge arises from evidence gathered via sense experience.
Obama is two years of pure fucking failure and everyone knows it (although not everyone will admit it--see: you). Ergo, I don't have to waste time refuting the contrary statements of a butthurt liberal man-child.
Nothing oxymoronic here bro!

>>2727229
[citation needed]

When I last lived in the USA it was in one of the most liberal areas of the country apparently (Boulder CO) and every weekend we went out to state land to go shooting, and every place we went to was PACKED with AMerican families shooting weapons.

Salazar bumper stickers everywhere.

I think that you are perhaps just making sweeping generalizations based on nothing but your own sheltered experiences. I have travelled extensively throughout your country and met many people and indulged in my love of firearms and as far as I can tell, for the average citizen Guns are another consumer item, something to buy, something to do. And no political party has a monopoly on what people enjoy, if they did there would only be one party.

Fags should have fun with this. Magic Johnson vs. Sarah Palin

enjoy fags
http://bleacherreport.com/users/392961-galvin-kilroe

>>2727288

Larry Bird.

>>2727285

In the West Virginia race for senate, the NRA (which is a despicable organization on the whole, but still) endorsed the democrat, Joe Manshin.

>>2727319
>implying Michael Jordan isn't a vote for freedom

>>2727273

So I make half a dozen posts with citation riddled proof of why I believe Obama is an ok/good president and the democrats did ok with the congress, you essentially said "Obama is bad because Obama is bad, derp!" and I'm a petulant child?

>>2727339

Jordan was a better overall player, but Bird had a better J.

>>2727362
Vote for success
Vote for leadership
Vote for Bill Russell

>>2727170
...

so basically, let the republicans have exactly what the democrats had?

face it, bad policy alone is NOT enough for a violent revolution in this country.

Flat out targeting a specific portion of the population is what it takes. Republicans will not isolate the poor, the poor states make up most of the red states! The only thing that might happen is the other states might get as well off as Texas, and the democrat states might not be as well off.

I don't think the blue states will riot in the streets just because their green industry collapses without government support.

>>2727285
Boulder CO is a (from my perspective) very small city in the middle of the Midwest. So of course there are a bunch of people there who own and shoot guns. But if you actually knew anything about the US, you would understand that politically, Boulder is a blue anomaly in a uniform sea of red. You've chosen one of the most bizarre exceptions to try and disprove my rule, and you have proven yourself to be a terrible and disingenuous person in the process. Get thee behind me foreigner.

fucking fag, if you are going to post it post it right. Anyways the rest of you fags should have fun with this on message boards. http://bleacherreport.com/articles/506784-athletes-to-play-a-prominent-role-in-2010-election

>>2727352
Yes. You should quit while you're behind and get some sleep kid.

>>2727390

So how many 'bizarre exceptions' do there need to be before you finally realize you're full of shit?

>>2727408

Ah, well, successful troll, sir. Sometimes I can't help myself, +1 internets for you.

>>2727422
Anything more than 5% bizarre exceptions I suppose, since I only said Republicans own 95% of the guns. Boulder is about .03 of one percent of the US population, and out of fairness, I'll give all of them to you as gun toting democrats (which is wildly exaggerated).
Get to work on the others boy!

>>2727474

Saying something like "95% of guns are owned by republican's" isn't one of those statements that has to be disproven or it's true, the impetus is kinda on you for proof.

I come from a borderline socialist state that's blue as hell (Washington) and a shit load of people I know own guns. I really think it's a non-partisan issue that neither party really cares about but only republicans pretend is an issue and use to win elections.

>Voting for Green today.

>>2727474
>>2727390
americans in general own guns, hicks own more guns, though a decent number of our hicks are hard line socialists.

really it would probably have been more accurate to say "people from the large population centers on the north east on the coast and the california coast own very few guns in relation to their proportion of the US population"

>>2727489

>non-partisan issue

Tell that to all the collectors who have had South Korea barred from selling them US Army infantry weapons because of the Federal Government's objection.

The excuse they used? "Assault weapons"

>>2726716
>>--Increasing federal regulation of tobacco products.

I want my mother fucking flavored cigarettes back.

>>2727489
It's not that the Democrats don't care. There are many people in the Democratic party leadership that are virulently anti-gun and would like to see gun bans similar to those in major cities like DC and Chicago be instituted nationwide. However, very little has been done about it since the Clinton era Assault Weapons Ban b/c they know it's a losing issue. That doesn't make it any less partisan.

But I'm tired and I don't want to argue anymore so I concede. The kid reading Marx in the Seattle coffee shop is just as likely to have an AK in his Chevy Volt as the Redneck Republican in Alabama eating chicken fried steak at the local greasy spoon. Political ideology has no correlation with owning firearms, it was foolish for me to suggest otherwise. g'night

>>2727537

Is there any political party responsible for that? You're making a point about big government, not about a particular party, that's what I mean.

>>2727552

>The Obama administration approved the sale of the American-made rifles last year. But it reversed course and banned the sale in March – a decision that went largely unnoticed at the time but that is now sparking opposition from gun rights advocates.

>"The transfer of such a large number of weapons –– 87,310 M1 Garands and 770,160 M1 Carbines –– could potentially be exploited by individuals seeking firearms for illicit purposes," the spokesman told FoxNews.com.

>>2727552
that was a decision made by the executive branch which is currently controlled by obama/ democrats

we dont have many anti gun politicians in america, but theyre all democrats and every time they get legislation through it really pisses people off

>>2727545

Banning guns is an issue that only democrats have, but very few of them, and mostly small local officials. No democrat I've voted for stands for any unreasonable gun restriction. I personally don't care, guns aren't the problem it's socio-economics and culture, guns got nothing to do with it and people can own em if they want.

>>2727564

Well, not knowing a lot about the issue, that seems somewhat reasonable. And how does this proove Obama wants to ban guns that he stopped the sale of hundreds of thousands of guns to another country.

>>2727167
>>2727173

>>Like I said, all polls say that individual parts of the health care bill ARE popular, QED democratic health care reform is popular, but the bill was so heavily propagandized that when you say "The health care bill!" People's pavlovian response is to say "MMMRRRAAAGH! BAAAAHD!!!" My pic is in regard to this.

Context is important here. While I'm sure some parts of the health care bill, lacking context, may be individually supported, when given the full picture you get a more complete answer. It is all how the question is framed. So by your logic giving Americans a more complete analysis of the health care bill, and not just asking if they like X, Y, or Z, is akin to propaganda? Although, after an almost an entire year of health care debates, from town halls. to the majority of polling, to even our current election I'm surprised there is still any question on where the American people stand on this issue.


Part 1

>>2727593

>>Like I said, health care needs more, a public option and it's effectively budget neutral with the reforms to student loans, but won't save the $100+ billion advertised. Reform was ok as a start, needs more. As to it's legality, my belief is the Constitution is a living document and health care falls under commerce and/or general welfare clauses. And arguably the 16th Amendment as well.

If you believe the numbers from the CBO on health care, I have some property in the Sahara desert I would love to sell you, because you'll buy anything. If their previous estimates are any indication of how much this is going to cost us, we can safely predict billions more in costs. I'll have to look for the link, just recently the CBO admitted their numbers were off, and big surprise, its going to cost more. How do you feel about the already rising health care related premiums, or companies dumping health benefits because of the cost? As for the Constitutionality of the bill we both just come from different schools of Constitutional thought, but make do doubt the court will be addressing this issue soon and I expect the health care mandate not to hold up.

Part 2

>770,160 M1 Carbines
Just the thought of so many in one place brings a tear to my eye

>>2727597

>>Right now the private sector is creating jobs and the public sector is loosing them, a state aid package would probably add about million jobs in a year on its own. GDP growth is coming from public investment in works projects and stabilization of the banks and near zero interest rates for banks and lenders. Not preferable, but with consumption slumping in '08 and '09, this kept inflation in check (demonstrated by no automatic increases in social security and welfare benefits in either year). The American dollar is weakening, but that's because of even more aggressive government intervention to bolster economies, governments and the euro, not to mention currency manipulation by China and Japan.


Well it doesn't surprise me in the least that the the private sector is creating jobs and the public sector is loosing them, although your comment on the state aid package and its effects are pure conjecture. Now I'd like to see the data where it says GDP growth is coming from public works, because that implies we actually HAVE public works projects in place. Your point though that much GDP growth is coming from the banks and lenders is not something you should be proud of. We invested billions-trillions into those very same banks, with no strings, requirements, or reforms and now while many of those banks are doing well they are bigger than ever, generally not lending, and unreformed, which is a recipe for disaster. Those same industries were showing "growth" before and look what happened. I'll agree that our dollar is weak though, and inflation is beginning to become a real issue, anyone who has bought food recently could tell you that.


Part 3

>>2727606

>>REAL unemployment being at 20-ish% is a 30 year epidemic with numerous issues, not the least of which being the government literally paying companies to get rid of jobs in the US. This is the main reason I say Obama is OK and not necessarily good, that and Afghanistan, which new reports suggest that military commanders there are actively undermining the 'winning hearts and minds' strategy and killing leaders regardless of affiliation or willingness to co-operate.


I'll agree that high real unemployment has been an epidemic for many years caused by numerous issues, but its worse now than it has been in about 30 years and not giving any signs of improvement. High unemployment is stagnating. By the White Houses own estimates, the stimulus failed. Another point I agree with you on is that we shouldn't be giving subsidies or money to companies to move jobs overseas. I haven't read any such reports indicating our commanders on the field are undermining our efforts or going rogue, although, even personally liberal commanders such as General Mcchrystal have questioned the President's competence and commitment to combat efforts.


>>I know it's a platitude, but as an econ major, I really honestly believe that a 2nd Great Depression was averted. And real economists in academia agree with me.


I'm sure you and the very same academics didn't see this disaster coming, and you'll be even more surprised when you realize we did nothing more than prolong the inevitable, throw good money after bad, and pave the way for an even larger financial crisis.

Part 4

>>2727582
It's beyond unreasonable. They were ours to begin with you historically illiterate fucktard

Vote By Mail Status bitches!

Wonder who'll win:

The raving idiots, or the cowardly idiots.

ITT neocons from /k/ making mountains out of molehills with non conclusive evidence that Obama would turn us into a gunless military police state tommorrow if he could.

>>2727610
>>2727606
>>2727597
>>2727593
>tl;dr
you killed my public policy boner man

>>2727643
>mfw after tomorrow the question becomes moot

is this true? http://bleacherreport.com/articles/506784-athletes-to-play-a-prominent-role-in-2010-election

>>2727648
Different anon here to throw more dirt down on your public policy boner's corpse

Only 8% of the Stimulus went to infrastructure spending. That's $64 billion.
Of that 8%, much has not yet been implemented. Turns out those "shovel-ready" projects weren't so ready for shovels after all.

>>2727667
That's absolutely hilarious. It's definitely satire.

...right?

>>2727689
>too long;didn't read
to damn many words, many words man, and I even agree with most of them (I'm not the guy you were arguing with)

>>2727582

It isn't the US military selling the guns, it's South Korea wanting to sell them back to us.

Those weapons are nothing more than pea shooters compared to the hardware available in America's gun stores.

>>2727688
He's spamming these articles everywhere on /new/
I bet he's getting paid per read; there's a read counter up on top. I'd report this as spamming but cmon the mods are asleep right

South Carolina is FUCKED

Doesnt matter who they elect this round:
The choices for governor are pure shit.
The choices for senate are pure shit.

Theres not a single candidate in all of South Carolina's elections that is worth half a pound of dried shit.

>>2727667
>Rand Paul, a prominent candidate who does not support the Civil Rights Act, believes this plan is unconstitutional. He stated, “As a Libertarian, I am normally all for people assembling peacefully, just not black people.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

>>2727713

Vote for Alvin Greene if only for teh lulz

>>2727702
Ask Kyle Dinkheller if the M1 Carbine is a pea shooter.
oh, wait...
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=969_1263249923&c=1

>>2727728
Might as well, no way Im voting for DeMint if he cant even help ensure my city's port gets funding, the cocksucker.

Let him get kicked on out so he has plenty of time to campaign for everyone else in other states zzz

>accurate representation of liberals by 7 pm EST tonight

>>2727759

SC fag here, not voting for DeMint either, no way Im going to support of the of most devious deal makers in the R party.

voted straight republican

just like most of the country.

liberal buthurt is going to be massive. can't wait to see the look on keith and mahrs faces. and all the liberal bloggers crying about it.

>>2727788
MLK was also a life-long Republican.
I just enjoy pointing that fact out.

>>2727810

http://www.hereville.com/about-the-cartoonist/

Here's how the guy who made this cartoon looks like
How does that make you feel?

>>2727754
>>2727761
>>2727769
>>2727792
>>2727800
>>2727810

>illiterate liberal who thinks posting his collection of political cartoons is a substitute articulating an actual position of some kind

>>2727747

>A 1951 official U.S. Army evaluation of scores of individual after-action combat reports noted the weapon's cold-weather shortcomings, and recorded complaints by troops for failure to stop heavily-clothed or gear-laden North Korean and Chinese troops at close range after multiple hits.
>recorded complaints by troops for failure to stop heavily-clothed or gear-laden North Korean and Chinese troops at close range after multiple hits.
>multiple hits.

>>2727833
>How does that make you feel?
FUCKING RAGEFUL because that pic maxed out the image limit
Now I can't post a reaction face showing how mad I am

>>2727833
>How does that make you feel?

>Implying works have any less value based on who the creator is.

You are a shallow motherfucker.

>>2727843
>>thinks terms like liberal and conservative mean anything anymore
>>laughing_girls.jpg

Zzz

>>2727853

>Implying his "work" isn't shitty as hell

>>2727754

And there you have it. I already knew it but thanks just the same, Mike. Thank you for helping to remind us how much you and your fellow liberal cronies hate the average American.

I actually agree about Americans being ridiculously impatient when it comes to getting things done but to be more accurate that cartoon needs a donkey with a shovel or even more appropriately, a bulldozer digging the hole even deeper.

I never ever expected economical recovery in two years and I'd like to believe that most of my fellow Americans felt the same way.

You liberals are going to lose today because rather than on the road to recovery we're actually somewhat worse off than when Bush was leaving office.

>>2727853

Implying his cartoons aren't as bad as his ugly jew face

>>2727850
The carbine was fine for what it was designed to be: a support weapon for people who's main job wasn't being a rifleman. Each .30 round is harder hitting than a 357 magnum, and you certainly wouldn't consider THAT underpowered. The Carbine just seemed weak compared to the Garand, which it was, by design.

Anyway I just wanted to post the link to that cop getting killed. His screams towards the end make me hard as a rock, and I usually cum during the death rattle.

>>2727851

Whoops, tee-hee.

Perfect timing i guess.

>>2727864
Greentext ad hominems are a better, more creative expression of opinion than spamming images with no text at all
>you fat miserable cunt

>>2727897
Hey faggot check the top of this thread
>Greentext supports the Green Party
>Mod said so
>:P

>implying I don't support the green party
I'd be very happy if green party candidates got approximately 50% of the left-leaning vote in every election.

>>2725176
I know right? That's all I got for my state.

>hurr kill dem sandniggers
>hurr kill dem sandniggers with less funding
>hurr energy durr wind power
>hurr energy durr solar power
>hurr more jobs
>hurr more jobs

>>2727810
>>1920
>>making fun of people for saying Jews were bad news for the economy
>>by 1929 and throughout the 1930's thanks to the Jews we were a very prosperous people

Oh silly me! That's right!

>>1929 - 1930's: THE GREAT DEPRESSION

lol

>>2727934
Not entirely sure, but didn't similar economic problems happen shortly after the other time frames listed too?

“As for the Republicans—how can one regard seriously a frightened, greedy, nostalgic huddle of tradesmen and lucky idlers who shut their eyes to history and science, steel their emotions against decent human sympathy, cling to sordid and provincial ideals exalting sheer acquisitiveness and condoning artificial hardship for the non-materially-shrewd, dwell smugly and sentimentally in a distorted dream-cosmos of outmoded phrases and principles and attitudes based on the bygone agricultural-handicraft world, and revel in (consciously or unconsciously) mendacious assumptions (such as the notion that real liberty is synonymous with the single detail of unrestricted economic license or that a rational planning of resource-distribution would contravene some vague and mystical ‘American heritage’…) utterly contrary to fact and without the slightest foundation in human experience? Intellectually, the Republican idea deserves the tolerance and respect one gives to the dead.”

H.P. Lovecraft

you are now aware that /sp/ will have a better election "game thread" than will /new/

>>2728000
yeah, that wasn't relevant in the other thread, nor is it here.

>>2728000

"I HATE NIGGERS."

H.P. Lovecraft

When, long ago, the gods created Earth
In Jove's fair image Man was shaped at birth.
The beasts for lesser parts were next designed;
Yet were they too remote from humankind.
To fill the gap, and join the rest to Man,
Th'Olympian host conceiv'd a clever plan.
A beast they wrought, in semi-human figure,
Filled it with vice, and called the thing a Nigger.

-H. P. Lovecraft

>>2728072
"Mr. Snow, I believe these to be negro eggs."

I'm not going to vote but I'm still going to bitch if the elections don't turn out favorably.

>>2728110
fuck you novemberg

>>2728142
I can respect that reaction.

>>2725108

Bless you anon, you're a good person. ;_; I'm praying Kasich doesn't win, because if he does we are fucked.

>Max limit of 125 image replies has been reached.

FFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU

>>2727713
Goddamn SC, your politicians are running such a huge fucking smear campaign that I cant go through a commercial break without seeing an ad dealing with SC politics, and I live in northern NC.

Why are the people here so excited?
Think about every other time you got excited about elections. Then think about one year after your choice.

NOTHING IS GOING TO CHANGE YOU FAGS

>>2728245
It's ok, they'll just blame it on who's in charge.

>>2728255
This is not a good thing.

My absence of face when mod and most of the posters are asspained americunts.

Voted for the Objectivist party. You jelly?

Looking forward to republicans taking back the house and senate. I've had enough of the shitty dems to last a lifetime

hey fags. read this: http://bleacherreport.com/articles/506784-athletes-to-play-a-prominent-role-in-2010-election

>>2728365
I guess it's just natural that the use of subterfuge and deception spills over to the electorate too.

>>2728233
Isnt it grand? fuck the real problems the state has, lets talk about fucking and other stupid shit.

Oh well, walking out to door now to throw my vote away since Im fucked regardless.

Democracy in action!
holy fuck were so screwed

>>2728426

Hope you're voting republican.

Is everyone bracing for Alinsky?

Illinoisfags, vote against Lisa Madigan for attorney general. Bitch refuses to make me a samich

Fuck Ron Johnson.
Fuck Ron Johnson.
Fuck Ron Johnson.
Fuck Ron Johnson.
Fuck Ron Johnson.
Fuck Ron Johnson.
Fuck Ron Johnson.

>>2728558
Drag everyone you know to the polls to vote for Feingold. Srsly.

>>2728569
Way ahead of you. I took them to early voting a couple of weeks ago.

Keep WI Blue!

Voted an hour and a half ago.

MICHIGAN, WHY DO YOU HAVE SUCH STUPID PROPOSALS?!

This is just further proof that we need a /politics/ board so /new/ is about actual news and not politics.

YOU HEARD ME MOOT
GIVE US /politics/

/new/, I am a Republican.

But, I also consider myself a pragmatic and thoughtful person. I am voting Democrat this election. I cannot FOR THE LIFE OF ME figure out how in the hell people are going to vote for the Tea Party candidates, they are insane beyond words.

I would hate to abandon the party I have been with for 12 years, since I have been active in politics, but I really think the Republican party has jumped the shark. I do NOT like the Democrats, but this is a MATHEMATICAL decision. If I vote for the "Republicans" in my local area and district congressman and senator, I will be getting these asshole teabaggers in. If I protest and go third party that is one less vote for the lesser evil, one more for the really evil. Same for not voting at all. The only choice I see is voting Democrat.

I hope people across all political leanings vote this way. If you have an old, trusted, MODERATE AND SANE Republican, vote for them. But if you have a "Tea Party Outsider" on your local ballot, PLEASE think before checking that box. Please vote Dem in that case. Maybe by next election we can have a sane candidate and repair our party and take back the white house, until then, we need to repair our country, not hurt it.

>>2728691
Thank god for people like you. We need more people who aren't faggots about party loyalty.

Republican master race.

Republican - all the way baby.

>>2728691
>conservatives on /new/
>sane
laughingwhores.jpg

Remember fellow Democrats:

VOTE EARLY, AND VOTE OFTEN

>>2725231

Gonna vote for Governor, the write in Bulbasaur for the rest.

I am going to laugh so hard if prop 19 passes and a bunch of worthless ex-hippie pot dealers are out of a job

>>2728728

I think they already have that covered.

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/vote-2010-elections-voter-fraud-charges-election-day/story?id=1199723
1

>>2728730
But what happens if he evolves? I didn't vote for Ivysaur.

>>2728742

Just like every politician, they change as soon as they're in office.

>>2728730
I did that with Bill Clinton for every position was undecided on last time I voted.