1. Dems come up with piece of shit that has only one good point--a public option
2. Some morons think that the public option is not an option and bitch because they don't want socialized medicince
3.Liberals don't have a spine, so they puss out and take the public option out of the senate bill--leaving only the shit.
4. Now, they decide to get a spine and ram the watered down shit bill through--making both sides fucking irate since the left believes they should have pushed forward with the public option, and the right doesn't want to overhaul healthcare so much.

>>240328
This.

>>240288
you're fucked

Unfortunately, >>240328 is not an oversimplification.

>>240328
pretty much this, meaning we Americans are so full of fuck right now.

>>Now, they decide to get a spine and ram the watered down shit bill through--making both sides fucking irate since the left believes they should have pushed forward with the public option, and the right doesn't want to overhaul healthcare so much.

Seriously, either extreme was better.

health insurance industry wants their investment in their politicians to return something. politicians make health-insurance mandatory for every american, so the health insurance companies can sell hundreds of millions of useless do-nothing policies (say, $50 a year for $500 of emergency-room coverage).

They're making it so that people have to have health care and yet they're not trying to lower the costs of the actual insurance costs.

Obama and the democrats are demonstrating that they are unable to run the country.

>>240470
Republicans and McCain would have done better? I wouldn't think so

>>240484
>Implying they would have tried.

Republicans are being faggots, that is all.

>>240484
TORT reform and allowing across state lines are two easy things he could have done that would make it seem like he's fixing healthcare.

The appearance of success is better than actual success. Look at the stimulus and bailouts, even I feel bad for Obama with all the shit he gets for that.

>>240525
tort reform to eliminate predatory lawsuits and fraud are all that is required to 'fix' healthcare. a change in licensing policies to allow a lower class of doctor who can do the grunt-work would also help. it's economic; decrease doctors operating costs and increase the number of doctors, doctors will have to lower their prices. but it will never happen as long as the lawyers control everything.

>>240595
>tort reform

You say that like it's easy. It's not like we can just set aside "this is how doctors get sued," we'd be changing the whole system around wouldn't we?

obamas plan will cost billions, lower the quality of care and fuck everyone over


the republican plan will actually lower prices

>>240612
yea, it would be hard. it's also sorely needed, and not just with regards to doctors. the predatory lawsuits we have in america are shameful (RIAA, anyone?). basically we just need to set rules for determination of damages, rather than leaving it complete in the hands of the judges (who have always been and will always be massively corrupt motherfuckers).

Learn to healthcare death spiral. This is how the death spiral works:
1. Healthy people choose not to get insurance due to high costs.
2. Because there are fewer healthy people to cover all the sick ones, insurance companies increase costs.
3. More healthy people leave, companies increase costs again, etc. until nobody can afford health insurance.

Covering just a few more healthy people would automatically bring down healthcare costs. Companies would decrease costs, bringing in more people, leading to more cost cuts, and so on.

the basic deal is-

OBAMA HAS CUT DEALS WITH THE HEALTH INSURANCE COMPANIES..to force everyone to buy private insurance policies at market rates from these companies..
in exchange, he gets to claim some basic reforms that they agreed to, and which he could have enacted anyway legislatively..
also his plan throws all deadbeats onto medicaid which means the cost of your forced policy is now also paying for millions of non-working niggers with 10 kids and no jobs..

THE REPUBLICANS CUT A DEAL WITH THE INSURANCE COMPANIES to oppose any changes since they are making record profits without meddling in the current system..

END RESULT= IF a plan is passed, and its either obamas plan or the republicans plan, the health insurance companies win big either way,
and blue-collar working people are totally screwed.

>>240673

fine by me, since we are paying for them anyway to go to the emergency room when they are sick.

The only rebuttal that conservatives have on this point is to somehow convince doctors to not treat dying people and have them die in the street, which is what most of them do anyway, since you can't fix cancer in the ER.

maybe now the most destitute can now be of more use to society, instead of wallowing in filth they cannot afford to leave.

Next project: 80 percent of america is fucking fat. How do we fix this without faggot libertarians demanding liberty burgers or death.

>>240667
except if it's made ILLEGAL to not have health insurance, there is no reason for the insurance companies to lower their costs.

>>240716

wrong..
the tab for much of this shit nigger population that traipses into the emergency room is never passed on to the public..

it gets compensated at medicare rates.. which are way below actual rates of cost..
so the health care companies eat the difference now..

under obamas plan.. the middle class which has been marched at bayonet point to purchase their forced policy..
for each family member..
at market rates set by the private company..

they will now pay the costs that used to get dumped on large health care concerns who didnt like getting the bill..
so now obama plan gives that bill to the middle class.. bend over..

>>240288
It starts to look like a genuine discussion and then talking points come bubbling up and it turns to shit. I would seriously pay money to watch a legitimate discussion go on without any bs.

>>240716 wallowing in filth they cannot afford to leave
pic related

>Next project: 80 percent of america is fucking fat. How do we fix this without faggot libertarians demanding liberty burgers or death.

i guess we'll just have to implement a fat tax and ban all private food production. the government will have total control of all crops, and only government-produced food will be legal. people found in possession of non-government food will be imprisoned in fat-camps where they will work manual labor until such a time as they are in shape or their sentence (say, a day for every calorie of non-gov food) passes, whichever comes last.

>>240772
Will never gonna happen on a senate/white house level with cameras present. As soon as those people are behind closed doors I really doubt they start with the stories and other shit that came up during the debate on cspan.