because he says things that matter to the root causes of many of life's problems. whether he is right or wrong doesn't matter, he simply puts himself into the space you didn't want invaded.

because he makes radical claims with little actual evidence that appeal to a certain group's ideological presuppositions from his perch as linguist at MIT

I don't. His linguistics stuff goes way over my head and his political views don't interest me. He has a nice, soothing voice, though.

Because the man is intelligent, articulate and pretty perceptive of problems. By no means do I agree with all of his socioeconomic beliefs, but he isn't a fucking idiot because I disagree with him. And his work on linguistics is simply amazing.

Because a guy with such outlandish believes is somehow able to be such a condescending dick.

Because liberals are cultists by nature.

Who the fuck is Noam Chomsky?

He rights provocative material which deals with the very issues that dictate our lives.

Now ask yourself why people feel so strongly about Brad Pitt, Angelina Jole and Jennifer Anniston.

The interesting thing is that a book like Manufacturing Consent, or No Logo from one of his disciples, would sit very comfortably on a shelf with right of the wing texts like The Redneck Manifesto or a radio cast from Alex Jones (minus the insanity).

>>239713
i am so fucking sick of pseudo intellectuals and their "ends justify the means" bullshit.

>>239769

>writes

>>239782
>radio cast from Alex Jones (minus the insanity)

>>239784

As opposed to barely literate rednecks and faux news viewers with the exact same ends justification viewpoint?

>>239791
nice strawman, spoken like a true chomsky fanboy!

>>239790

Yeah I know. On som e days it might only leave you with punctuation, but the general gist is the same.

>>239784
when someone can't defy what was said, they defy who said it.
democracy is people having their way, right or wrong, all those pictured were voted in. let them deal with it.

>>239799

Wheres the straw man? You imply that the "end justifying the means" mentallity belongs to pseudo intellectuals. Which is just a ton of bullshit.

his stuff on linguistics was interesting, most people grow out of his other bullshit by their mid 20s.

>>239784

That fucking picture makes no sense. Chomsky wrote a whole fucking book about the evils of Pol Pot and how the American media colluded with the government to keep information about their connection suppressed.

Nice troll post, B+ for effort.

because he raises some good points about some core problems in our society. Whether or not you agree with his solutions is a completely different matter.

>>239817
Read this and baw, fanboy cultist

http://jim.com/chomsdis.htm

>For whatever motives, Chomsky defended the Khmer Rouge when such defense served Soviet purposes, and demonized them when such demonization served Soviet purposes, denying that his past words were ever written.

>>239826

Sorry. Don't read non reputable sources. I'll stick with accredited professors.

Also

>implying the Khmer Rouge, like the Nazi's, didn't have some awesome ideas.

>>239802
revolutions don't mean shit when the people don't understand why they revolted. if they don't learn from their mistakes they're doomed to the exact same shit all over again. education is the only real means of true reform. this takes time however, and that's not an extreme enough answer for angsty cynical teens who want to hear people like chomsky spout his faggotry. castro and che killing millions of people is not my idea of successful revolution. and look what happened to cuba.

>>239817
lol butthurt

he believes that the state should have more or less unlimited amount of power as long as it operates in the will of the people. He supports absolute insane and totalitarian policies such as more or less abolishing freedom of the press and private enterprise, one clear example of this is his support for Hugo Chavez and many socialist revolutionaries who have done this in the past.

He is pretty much a hardcore socialist, even other socialists think he is too hardcore and should be slightly more liberal.

However he has some fairly interesting views on foreign policy, Israel and how the media and education system functions to a large extent. I'd recommend reading "Manufacturing Consent" and perhaps watch the documentary of the same name, it should be on Google.

>>239848

Uh, a higher standard of living for a wider swath of the population?

Don't use Cuba or China, those examples just make anti-communist's look stupid.

Pick a Soviet state instead.

>>239836
>I'll stick with accredited professors.

LOL

>>239862
>Pick a Soviet state instead.

i picked cuba to be nice, do you really wanna go there?

>>239861

Your confused, entirely. He believes the state should be an extension of the people, and thats where the further ideas steam from.

It's actually a complete reversal of what you state. That the state has totalitarian control of the people.

If anything, his ideas are hardcore democratic, which would naturally lead to suppression of free speech and private enterprise (just ask socrates or muslims in switzerland).

As an American, Democracy is a scary and uncomfortable concep to you.

>>239836

"Awesome" like killing off all your nation's intellectuals and forcing everyone to farm the countryside?

>>239836
>hurr durr

It's just chomsky's words + citations + what the cited sources actually said, but if you wan't "accredited professors," just wait a minute, cultist.

>>239866

>implying Chomsky isn't a professor.

Nice going, you fucking dolt. Why bother even continuing in this thread.

>>239782

Alex Jones once had Chomsky on his show.

Part 1: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kSXFX8bM6s8
Part 2. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ctZBtf9Y4f4

Shit was so cash.

>>239883

Ah...Yes. Exactly what I meant actually.
YEAR ZERO FTW

>>239898

Oh god. I NEED TO SEE THIS. I hope it's as good as when Chuck Norris threatend to start the next Civil War.

>>239882
democracy is a flawed system in any case

>>239895
hey this guy seems like an intellectual, i better do what he says! do you have any idea how many batshit insane extremist professors there are? does that make you feel edgy and hip?

>>239836
He defended Faurrison. He championed the Khmer Rouge. His condemnations of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict are one hundred percent one-sided, based on the (obviously) false notion that the Arab nations and the Palestinian people have been trying to arrange a peace with Israel for decades. He viewed the rescue mission undertaken in Kosovo as nothing more than the extension of imperial power. He accuses the United States of perpetrating a holocaust in Afghanistan and thinks that the mistaken attack on the pharmaceutical factory in Somalia [sic] was as bad if not worse than the attack on the Twin Towers. One could go on, but it all adds up to, I fear, the mirror image of the ignorant jingoism of Bennett, Krauthammer, Kelly, Will, etc. And I find it amazing that intelligent people take it seriously.
- Eric Alterman, Stanford historian, editor of The Nation, former Nader's Raider, avowed leftist

>>239836

When Noam Chomsky was merely the most original, arresting, and widely talked-about linguistic theorist in America, he was never referred to as a leading American intellectual. That came only after he expressed his outrage over American involvement in the war in Vietnam, about which he knew nothing. It was the outrage that gained him entry into that “charming aristocracy,” to borrow the words of Catulle Mendès. Or as Marshall McLuhan once put it, “Moral indignation is a standard strategy for endowing the idiot with dignity.”
- Thomas Wolfe, renowned journalist, author, Yale historian

>>239906

Yes, it does make me feel edgy and hip.

Democracy is a perfectly good system depending on the racial and cultural make up of your country. An already tightly insular and xenophobic country like Switzerland fits it like a glove.

Obviously a constitutional republic serves the U.S. better, since you guys couldn't agree on which side of the planet the sun rises without shooting each other.

After many years, I came to the conclusion that everything Chomsky says is false. He will lie just for the fun of it. Every one of his arguments was tinged and coded with falseness and pretense. It was like playing chess with extra pieces. It was all fake.
- Paul Postale, Yale professor, author, linguist, leftist
The New Yorker, March 31, 2003

>>239921

Wow. Your source highlights the fact that Chomsky was right. Good work.

>>239908
>>239921
>>239931
and i use slick 50 in my engine because this guy said so!

In his ideological fanaticism, Chomsky constantly shifts his arguments and bends references, quotations and facts, while declaring his ‘commitment to find the truth.’
- Leopold Labedz, Holocaust survivor, Soviet Union refugee, London School economist
(Encounter, July 1980)

>>239931

Professional jealousy much. Nice to see this alleged professor cites no sources.

>>239946

Jew.

>>239931
>>239921
>>239908
>>239946
Butthurt Zionists make me lol.

Kosovo. I found myself wondering what Noam Chomsky--who epitomized the left-wing view that all bad things are the result of Western intervention--is saying now. Chomsky's remarks, which are pathetic but revealing: First he tries to blame it all on the Western Right, then suddenly gets all judicious and practical.
- Paul Krugman, Nobel laureate Princeton economist

>>239927
> Democracy is a perfectly good system
i lol'd

> depending on the racial and cultural make up
typical leftist, bringing up demographics when real systems benefit everyone. that's like saying economic principles depend on race or country. real concepts are universal and consistent to the end.

>>239950
>>239954

Telltale sign of a religious zealot - anyone who disagrees with my beloved cult leader is a [boogeyman]-ist,

>>239959
LOL

The guy who supported the bailout?

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

I like your corporatist sources

HURR DERP DURR

>ITT: chomsky cultists shit bricks

The three paragraphs of Mr. Chomsky to which I have referred constitute less than five percent of his article. I do not know if the level of veracity which he achieves in them is typical of the entire piece. If these paragraphs are representative, however, the article as a whole should contain, by conservative extrapolation, approximately 94 other serious distortions and misstatements of fact.
- Samuel Huntington, Harvard historian

>>239882
Yes democracy is scary as hell. You egalitarian cultists will be the death of civilization.

>>239895
You suck at inferring.

>>239974
>>239959
>>239946
>>239921
>>239908
i can't refute a single sentence chomsky wrote, but damned if i won't resort to defaming his character in an attempt to hide the truth

>>239969
I don't even like Noam Chomsky. He's a Zionist.

So fuckoff. You shill.

Noam Chomsky seems to feel licensed to forget or distort the truth whenever it suits his polemical convenience. He begins as a preacher to the world and ends as an intellectual crook.
- Arthur Schlesinger, Pulitzer prize winning Harvard historian and journalist

>>239988
You wouldn't look at a sentence-by-sentence refutation, cultist. You can look up Huntington or any of the numerous "accredited professors" who've critiqued and reviewed Chomsky's shit.

>>239882

I see no difference in what you said and what I said other than that you call it democracy while I call it socialism. However you must be a moron if you think Chomsky isn't a socialist, he even says so himself.

>>240011
>Implying being accredited in America means anything.

Chomsky might object that to knowingly place the life of a child in jeopardy is unacceptable in any case, but clearly this is not a principle we can follow. The makers of roller coasters know, for instance, that despite rigorous safety precautions, sometime, somewhere, a child will be killed by one of their contraptions. Makers of automobiles know this as well. So do makers of hockey sticks, baseball bats, plastic bags, swimming pools, chain-link fences, or nearly anything else that could conceivably contribute to the death of a child. There is a reason we do not refer to the inevitable deaths of children on our ski slopes as "skiing atrocities." But you would not know this from reading Chomsky.
- Sam Harris, The End of Faith, 2005

Interestingly, not every person in the democratic West is overjoyed at seeing Syrian fascism at last challenged. Noam Chomsky, the MIT inventor of now-discredited theories of linguistics, is determined to defend and perpetuate Syrian colonization of Lebanon, no matter how many Lebanese lives it costs. His reason? He insists Syrian occupation of Lebanon is necessary as a way to prevent those evil Israelis from doing horrid deeds in Lebanon, like attempting to protect their citizens from terrorist attacks launched out of Lebanon.
- Steven Plaut, Princeton economist

we need to invade iraq because they represent a direct threat against us and our way of life

george w bush, leader of the free world, 2000-2008

>>239708
Because he is a fucking....wait, who?

Among the most capable of those from your own side who speak to you on this topic and on the manufacturing of public opinion is Noam Chomsky, who spoke sober words of advice prior to the war, but the leader of Texas doesn't like those who give advice.
- Osama bin Laden

he knew he had to attack iraq within hours of 9-11. he said so in his book on page fucking 8.

think about who you trust on sources. attack the work, not the man. entry level logic here, guys.

>>239988
you're the one who didn't want to read anything unless it came from "accredited" intellectuals.

>>240037
He was just doing what he was told.
Cheney fired four star generals that didn't agree with him, told Powell to GTFO when he didn't agree, and him and Rummy planned it all. They didn't need any military experience, how hard could it be?

Bush didn't want to go hunting with Cheney.

>>240073
wasn't me, i'll read anything you got
just won't believe it simpoy because of who wrote it

>>240088
well that's exactly the opposite of the previous chomskoid cultist who would only listed to "accredited professors hurr"

Here, mis-citation, sentence by sentence:

http://jim.com/chomsdis.htm

>>240078
that was tenet's excuse in his booki. he basically said that he knew shit was fucked, but he couldn't fix it because "someone else was in control."
fuck that, if you can't do your jhob, quit, don't just pass the buck.

>>240088
why do you make such a big deal who wrote it then? why can't you read the posts without drawing attention to the individuals? instead of reading and discussing them you've done nothing but close your eyes and shake your head. you're no worse than the christians.

>>240098
Cheney's book probably was written to show what a great man he is, but it really just illustrated what was going on and where it was coming from.

Cheney was doing what he thought was necessary, and it's the same line of thought used to claim JFK was killed by US security agencies for refusing to nuke the USSR. I hope that sort of extreme nationalism dies out with these guys.

>>240118
i didn't know cheney wrote a book, i was talkking about tenet, george, the cia dude.
cheney and rumsfeld made the3mselves very clear with the "clean break" paper and other writings. they were in no way caught up in a whirlwind that they were trying to harness. they had a firm idea of what they wanted, and it was wrong. they had (probably still have) no concern for anything outside of themselves and their church. it is a wonder that the "war" stayed as small as it did.
>>240097
i have not read the book in question there, i will look into it.
>>240112
please be quiet, grown ups are talking

"if you don't like prof. chomsky you can eat my ass"
-johnny cash, shortly before his death

>>240155
i like how all chomsky threads end the same way, one guy ends up apologizing in hopes that he may prevent further pwnage.

what does /new/ think of anarcho-capitalism in general? even chomsky said something to the degree that it would be worse than even the worst authoritarian state.

>>240249
fucking love it. chomsky doesnt understand basic economics.

>>240231
i do not accept your apology

>>240259
what would be a good book to best understand it? i would like to understand why they think even limited government is unnecessary.

>>240309
It would be quicker if you got a lobotomy.

>>240249

yes because in anarcho-capitalism, theoretically at least, private business could do anything do abuse their position, such and dump toxic waste since there wouldn't be anyone to give them fines for doing so and use actual slave labor when it suited them.

now if this is what actually would happen is of course another story, but it could be just as bad most the worst dictatorships. I mean it's not like we haven't seen gross exploitation of poor workers and complete disregard for the environment.

>>240259
i fucking love it, stephen hawking can't rebuild a carbureter

>>240309

The Machinery of Freedom
by David Friedman

Man, Economy, and State
by Murray Rothbard

Beyond Politics
by Mitchell and Simmons

Chaos Theory
by Robert Murphy

>>240353
saved

any dls?

>>240374

http://mises.org/books/mespm.pdf

http://mises.org/books/chaostheory.pdf

http://books.google.com/books?id=J3NHA0PHKQoC&printsec=frontcover&dq=beyond+politics&ei=
oMuJS9qkMZjsyATn1JmRDg&cd=1#v=onepage&q=&f=false

http://cowles.econ.yale.edu/P/cm/m12-2/index.htm

>>240353
someone once told me ron paul was closer to rothbard philosophically than any of the other libertarians, do you think this is true?

>>240404

>>240413
http://reason.com/archives/2009/12/18/a-tale-of-two-libertarianisms

It's hilarious how whenever these Chomsky threads pop up they always devolve into incoherence. The right really fucking hate this guy and they can't seem to do anything beyond character attacks and trying to confuse and misdirect any inquiry about his ideas.

>>240460

The left-right dichotomy is a childishly stupid non-concept.

>>240493
>imma libratrarian just liek matt & trey, am i mature yet???

>>240493
I used to think that when I was in high school. I don't anymore.

>>240460
> hehe i really told them! xD
> xD
> :)
> :|
> :'(

>>240505
Well, when I was in high school I didn't think that, and now that I've got a college degree, I do...

here

http://whakahekeheke.wordpress.com/left-vs-right/

>>240460
it's hilarious how you completely ignored the entire thread and suck his dick at the same time.

>>240460

Here, bro, here's a sound overview of the libertarian criticism of Chomsky's ideas:

http://www.lewrockwell.com/wall/wall26.html

>>240532
No, I read it. It was mostly just that weird aspie quote spammer that shows up from time to time, plus the same lies and nonsense attacks about how he supposedly supported some evil thing somewhere according to what this guy on the INTERNET says and therefore every thing else he has ever said is logically invalid. Always note how, when challenged, the people that make such claims can never cite the exact source and context of the terrible thing that Chomsky said.

>>240580
>aspie quote spammer
ad hominem
> every thing else he has ever said is logically invalid.
how convenient. and so all the people he cited were making it up too?

> the people that make such claims can never cite the exact source and context of the terrible thing that Chomsky said.

you don't believe he supported those people? are you that delusional? even the majority of fanboys will acknowledge that.

>>240580
He has been quoted many times, dilettante.. but go ahead and ignore all criticism of your cult leader. You're a lost cause.

I would argue, that council communism... is the natural form of revolutionary socialism in an industrial society.”
(Government in the Future [Seven Stories Press, 2005], p27)

“But take China, modern China; one also finds many things that are really quite admirable... a good deal of the collectivization and communization was really based on mass participation and took place after a level of understanding had been reached in the peasantry...”
(Alexander Klein, ed., Dissent, Power and Confrontation [McGraw-Hill, 1971], pp117-8)

To the Stalinist Ho, “I would like to express the great joy that we feel in your accomplishments... Your heroism reveals the capabilities of the human spirit and human will.”
(Radio Hanoi, April 14, 1970)

“The evacuation of Phnom Penh, widely denounced at the time and since for its undoubted brutality, may actually have saved many lives. It is striking that the crucial facts rarely appear in the chorus of condemnations.”
(After the Cataclysm [South End Press, 1979], p160)

“I see no antisemitic implications in denial of the existence of gas chambers, or even denial of the holocaust.”
(Quadrant, Australia, October 1981)

"Compared to the United States, East Europe under Russian rule was practically a paradise.”
(Letter, in Alexander Cockburn, The Golden Age Is In Us [Verso, 1995], pp149-151)

“It’s entirely possible that bin Laden’s telling the truth when he says he didn’t know about the [9/11] operation.”
(9-11 [Seven Stories Press, 2001], p60)

itt: chomsky pwned. thanks, quote machine.

>>240651
fighting ignorance with citations ;)

>>240631

>>239802
>>239817
see
>>240631

>>239927
"Two wolves and a lamb deciding on what to have for dinner."

A perfect example of this would be the reconciliation shit Obama is going to be using in the next few weeks to get his health care passed.

Democracy is a fucking zerg. Whoever gets the most ignorant faggots together wins.