Yeah well they killed the only president who was going to perform such an action of guarding so there went that.

>>2379635
Actually his original speech had him saying "the congressional military industrial complex"

Kinda changes the meaning when you put it in to that context.

>>2379658
Elected officials get tons of money from companies that get tax money to make weapons.

It's an all round win-win-win for them. Of course it means that the society doesn't use resources for anything useful.

>>2379652
You mean the guy who started the bombing?

>>2379652
And do we wonder why none try it now?

I think its high time we do try it again. Fuck the teaparty. We need more moderate Eisenhower type republicans in this world to unite with the "far" left Kucinich types

Can't afford health care, or improving education, or basic utilities.

Every last dollar must go to the military, if we stop spending even a little the commi-liberal-terrorists will invade and it's all over. Even now their insidious influence is spreading across Gods country as they slip non-American secret Muslims into positions of political power.

Maintain American Might!

>>2379658
no it doesn't

>>2379635

>durr, all of those companies only make weapons and things that explode
>nevermind the GE Refridgerator in my kitchen, shit's clearly designed to kill Africans

>>2379686
Yea, it was, wikipedia it.

>>2379684

>implying schools don't work

Listen up, chucklefuck. What's the average length of a school year in the United States? It's 180 days. Compare that to countries where "they do learning RIGHT" (South Korea, Japan, etc.) They have school years in excess of 220 days. They're spending an extra month and a quarter on schooling per year, for all of primary education and all of secondary education. The end result is that Asian schools get to breach topics that American schools don't simply due to time constraints.

You want to improve education in the US? Lobby for a longer school year. We are no longer an agricultural society so why should we be beholden to a schooling schedule that was designed for that in mind?

>>2379720
We cant afford a longer school year.I alsop feel that increased time in school would stunt a kids childhood, and could be detrimental to the personal development of the child.I will take a bunch of people that can critically think over robots any day.

"You want to improve education in the US?"

End diversity/multiculturalism egalitarianism feminism bullshit.
You cannot strengthen the weak by weakening the strong.

>>2379692
explain to me in your own words how it changes the meaning

>>2379729

We can afford a longer school year if we crack down on tax havens and tax evasion. And I'm not saying switch to the Asian style of plug and chug, rote memorization. Keep critical thinking exercises, hell make them mandatory. But give American children the practice they'll need to retain these skills, not just keep them until the test where they're discarded.

>>2379732

This isn't supposed to be a discussion for your 1950s society masturbation fantasy. Stop being a weak-cocked little shit and man the fuck up.

>>2379755
All right I can agree with that.I just know a lot of chinese people and they seem to be very bright but somewhat lacking in the ability to formulate opinions

>>2379720
All a longer school year in the US will do is allow an extra month for dumb asses to not learn what they already didn't learn in 180 days.

>>2379772
Yes because just making the school year longer is the only thing that can possibly be changed about the school system.
Fuck off you public-educated retard.

>>2379684

>>2379755
>man the fuck up

That's ironic, because the laws are set against being an American white male.

Jews are allowed to practice nepotism. Whites men are not.

Blacks are given a bonus to their college and business applications. Whites men are not.

Women are allowed to abort a mans child after an act of mutual consent, and a man cannot separate himself from the responsibility, in some cases he doesn't actually need to be the father.

>>2379772

But it will allow the people who are even marginally interested in learning that much more time to hone their skills. To say nothing of the people who are more than marginally interested in learning.

An extra month over 12 grades is an additional year of schooling in total. You think schools couldn't do something with effectively having Grade 13 implemented? That's pretty cynical.

>>2379732

>>2379684

>whines about spending all our money on the military

>spending is only 4% of GDP and provides the backbone of american influence around the world that allows him to do stupid shit like post on the interwebs.

>>2379793

As an American white male, all I have to say is "you didn't try hard enough if you didn't get to go to college for free," "you shouldn't have fucked that slut if you didn't want a kid, control your dick you stupid son of a bitch," and "White males still have plenty of nepotism left to abuse, you're kidding yourself if you think otherwise."

And you still haven't manned the fuck up and tried to beat this opposition, you're still sitting here, whining about it. Like a petulant child.

>>2379809
Get the fuck out now.

BAE: Go UK :)

>>2379818

NO U

also eat a dick tripfag you know im right

>>2379818

Honestly, he's right. American naval dominance is the keystone to American international trade control and the lynchpin to American foreign policy.

Personally I think people look at fixing the budget all wrong. Instead of looking to cut things, we should be looking to see if we can get the US government to bring in more money. Not necessarily by raising taxes, but cutting out pork and reworking the tax structure of the US so that it's harder to foil would probably help us.

>>2379812
Shut the fuck up, Jewfaggot.

So if I dig up and post a list of the 15 nonprofit organizations (most of which have political/Democratic Party-worshipping subsidiaries) that get the most money from the federal government, can we cut them off too? None of them are needed for our society to function.

mfw OP doesn't realize his making a paleoconservative argument

>>2379809
4% of the entire economy for military is actually very high, most other nations only spend something like 0.4%

>>2379812
HERP! DERP! I'M WHITE<snigger> AND I CAN SAY WITH CONFIDENCE<giggle> THAT THE WHITE GOYI-errr.. THE WHITE MEN ARE -NOT- LEGALLY ABUSED COMPARED TO EVERYONE ELSE'S RIGHTS<LOLOLOLOL, AH-HAHAHAHAAA!>

>>2379689
Yeah companies like Lockheed, Raytheon, BAE systems, and SAIC are mostly DoD contracting.

Take a guess what companies hire the most american engineers? Well that would be the MIC companies and the DoD.

There is a big difference between American engineers and Indian/Asian engineers. American engineers usually end up developing weapons, while Indian/Asian engineers actually develop products that improve a person's standard of living.

GE is one of those companies that uses their Americans to contract with the DoD and outsources the rest of their jobs.

>>2379855
mostly because the US spends so much they dont need to. 2% or more is probably would they would spend if the US cut back.

100% of that money is being invested right into the US economy: no outsourcing here.

Social security costs dwarf anything related to the military.

>>2379841
To be honest, while military spending is pretty high (almost 20% of the federal budget), the biggest things are Social security and welfare which take up about 60% of the budget.

>>2379878
Not to mention that a massive part of the defence budget is allocated for vet benefits: health care, college money, ect.

>>2379865

You might actually consider me the shitskin of white people, because I'm Neapolitan.

>He thinks I'm a jew

You're hilarious, kid. So butthurt your face is red, but hilarious.

Military spending in America is NOT high
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_military_expenditures
> US - 4% of GDP
> Eritrea - 20% of GDP
> Saudi Arabid - 8% of GDP
US is 25% of world GDP it should have at least 25% of world military spending

>>2379684
>Can't afford health care

Not a responsibility of the government.

>or improving education

Implying education funding hasn't shot up in a continuous straight line for decades, at the same time results have collapsed. Implying the problem isn't a combination of corrupt teachers unions and lunatic teaching fads from university academia being adopted instead of straightforward normal teaching.

>or basic utilities.

Too stupid to bother commenting on.

>>2379855

thats why we are the remaining superpower. yes the spending is high in comparison but in return we get pretty much total assurance that we cant be fucked with. that alone is worth 4% of our GDP in my opinion. i would rather be the country that goes into countries to remove dictators like saddam (for good or bad this is just an example) then a rich country that didnt spend on defense like kuwait that gets invaded by dictators like saddam.

>>2379689
>nevermind the GE Refridgerator in my kitchen, shit's clearly designed to kill Africans

My GE fridge kills Africans just fine. Shove them in and put a lock on the door. Presto, dead Africans.

>>2379877
That may be true, but sending America's brightest engineers to work for the military industrial complex doesn't actually improve the lives of the average American. They should be working on new ways to improve healthcare, energy, transportation, computing, and products that actually benefit you and me.

Europe and Asia doesn't have a massive DoD and they actually have a better standard of living for the average person.

I agree Social Security was a bad bill and it seems like it was passed with only FDR's generation in mind, but that still doesn't change the reality of how the MIC actually hurts our standard of living instead of improves it.

>>2379912
shut up faggot

>>2379755
No offense, but you don't seem to have an idea just how much spending on education has increased over the years, in almost direct inverse proportion to the quality of the system's graduates.

Pratically the only point about public education in this country that we have tons of direct evidence on is that throwing more money at the problem does NOT help.

>>2379896

I couldn't care less if you're "Neopolitan".

Besides, if watching television makes you "informed" then get the fuck out -anyway-, faggot. I can smell the reek of "public school" and "teleducation" on your breath.

>>2379922
>>2379922

tripfag is a fag

The actual amount spent on the military is much higher than what is listed on the Federal budget. from wikipedia:

>Defense-related expenditures outside of the Department of Defense constitute between $216 billion and $361 billion in additional spending, bringing the total for defense spending to between $880 billion and $1.03 trillion in fiscal year 2010

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_budget_of_the_United_States#Budget_for_2010

For Comparison, we spent $677.95 billion on Social security that year and the total budget made up 3.55 Trillion. So basically we spend a almost a third of our budget on the military directly or indirectly, taht is way too much.

It's just a novel, but "Without America" gives a pretty good look into what a world without the US as a military superpower would look like.

Spoiler: It isn't good.

>>2379949

You're absolutely right; the true sources of legitimate information are Alex Jones and Free Republic. How silly of me.

>>2379919
>>Europe and Asia doesn't have a massive DoD and they actually have a better standard of living for the average person.

No they don't. Those "studies" merely take a list of liberal dreams and check off how far each country has gone in implementing them. That's not science.

>>2379942

Their system: Throwing money in an attempt to do more in the same amount of time of class.

My system: Lengthening the amount of class time spent.

You...don't see any sort of difference between these two ideas?

>>2379959
You dumb fucking asshole we don't need to spend money on killing dirt people to be a military superpower.

>>2379960

>implying I listen to them

>the butthurt is strong in that post.

>BAAAAAAW moar, faggot

>>2379974
Neither is economics.

>>2379957
Wow look at all the money you Amerifags are wasting, and do you even see any benefit from it? Europeans are smart, we keep a small military and let the US bankrupt itself trying to police the world. lolololol

>>2379979
Yes we do. Don't be naive. Everything we have came from other people.

>>2379957
Call us when TARP and Obamacare are repealed. Then we'll talk military.

In a time where liberals have fucking QUADRUPLED the deficit in just 18 months, they have no room - zero.zip.nada. - to argue we're overspending on the military.

To even bring it up is just indicative of how completely detached from reality you idiots are.

>>2379988
everything?

>>2379957
>$1.03 trillion in fiscal year 2010
Still only 1/15 of US GDP. And US collects seignorage because dollar is a reserve currency, so taxpayers spend on US military as much as people in other countries.

>>2379997

Your ignoble is showing.

>>2379998
OK maybe not everything, but certainly the extra fat we're carrying around, yeah.

>>2379997
Obama is not a liberal. Shut the fuck up and go away.

>>2380008
you're a liberal who despises gays for some reason
you're weird

>>2379997
Umm Tarp has already been repaid, and the amount of money on Obamacare isn't even close to the amount being spent on the military, and to what benefit? At least obamacare helps people rather than kills them for profit. The Europeans have much smaller military, why shouldn't we?

>>2380017
>you're weird
Extremely. I occupy a subset of the electorate which has been shrinking irreversibly since the date this country was founded: thinkers.

>>2380003
Your looking at GDP which is the entire economy, look at the tax receipts, the US collected 2.38 trillion in taxes which means half of everything the US taxpayers paid, went to the military, that is ridiculous. How much of that went to dirty subcontractors do you suppose? I bet most of it did, I thought you conservitards wanted less government.

>>2380019
>At least obamacare helps people rather than kills them for profit.
lol you have that exactly backwards. Tell this to all those kids the insurance companies are officially washing their hands of since there's no mandate for them to give insurance to people who are legally exempt from being required to purchase it.

>>2380042
So....you're arguing the Obamacare was bad because it wasn't big enough? wtf

>>2380041
>Your looking at GDP which is the entire economy, look at the tax receipts, the US collected 2.38 trillion in taxes which means half of everything the US taxpayers paid, went to the military, that is ridiculous. How much of that went to dirty subcontractors do you suppose? I bet most of it did, I thought you conservitards wanted less government.
And again
>And US collects SEIGNORAGE because dollar is a reserve currency, so taxpayers spend on US military as much as people in other countries.

>>2380029
>I occupy a subset of the electorate which has been shrinking irreversibly since the date this country was founded: thinkers.
>>2380042
>lol you have that exactly backwards. Tell this to all those kids the insurance companies are officially washing their hands of since there's no mandate for them to give insurance to people who are legally exempt from being required to purchase it.

lol someone here is certainly deluding themselves.

You say that, but then you say\

>>2380049
Max Baucus' health care legislation, which was not at any time influenced by Obama or anyone else outside the insurance industry as a matter of record, fails for exactly that reason. It is the worst of brokered half-measures. It is extortionist and technically in violation of federal RICO statutes.

>>2380060
>nd US collects SEIGNORAGE because dollar is a reserve currency, so taxpayers spend on US military as much as people in other countries.

Wtf does this even mean? Is he arguing we can spend half our taxes on the military, but because we have a reserve currency it somehow makes it the equivalent of other countries spending 5% of their budget?

>>2380049
What are you some sort of Fox News watcher?

>>2380066
What I said actually took place. The kids with pre-existing medical conditions which WILL CAUSE INSURANCE COMPANY PAYOUTS are being left out of the legally required health insurance plans their parents are forced to buy under the threat of monetary fines. I saw this coming the second single-payer healthcare was abandoned by the national democratic party.

>>2379974
Its basic economics. There is a trade off for using American talent in the DoD and MIC, and that trade off is that they aren't using their talent in other areas, like mentioned above. Plus when the government gives handouts to the MIC it creates more incentive to both work for those companies and for those companies to continue with their same business practices.

Plus if you believe Europe doesn't have better transportation, less crime, longer life expectancies, better innovations in non military related areas then I'm sorry because you're living in some alternate reality.

The US GDP power shifts more toward weaponry every year. This is because American's don't actually make anything of value anymore. Military weapons aren't something that the average consumer buys. The Chinese and Europeans love us though since the American consumers are buying their products and transferring our wealth to them so the US government can then borrow the wealth back in loans.

It won't be long before they are living on the high horse and your working in the sweat shops.

>>2379997
>QUADRUPLED the deficit in just 18 months

Statistics are like bikinis, what they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital. The increase in the deficit is mainly due to the drop in tax revenue due the the currant economic conditions.

"Regan proved deficits don't matter" -Dick Cheney

>>2380080
>Wtf does this even mean? Is he arguing we can spend half our taxes on the military, but because we have a reserve currency it somehow makes it the equivalent of other countries spending 5% of their budget?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seigniorage
When world economy grows 5% US collects 5% of world GDP

Plus if you believe Europe doesn't have better
>transportation,
Duh, they have twice as many people as us so they're more densely populated. Also, their cities are older so lots of stuff is within walking distance, USA was built on the car.
>less crime
Less niggers
>longer life expectancies
Depends on the country
>better innovations in non military related areas
LOL! You're completely wrong.
>then I'm sorry because you're living in some alternate reality.
No, you are.

>>2380041

>half of taxes went to the military

20% of Federal taxes go to the military, its been that way for over 30 years.

Social Security, Medicare,Medicaid, saftey net programs and interest on the debt are 60% of the Federal budget. 20% goest to the military and 20% goes to other government programs.

If you meant 50% of 40%, you might have point. I think you're just another illerate liberal.

You know, the country most notorious for its military-industrial complex was... the USSR? One fifth of all Russian adults were employed in the military or a related industry.

>>2380491
That's only cause they were trying to be us. But they never could. This is why the USSR collapsed.

>>2380414
>LOL! You're completely wrong.
Dude, I actually work in the fucking engineering industry moron. I know where most of the new grads go and where I can easily find a job. Finding an engineering position in the big Aerospace companies that contracts weapons with the US gov is fucking easy. All you need to do is be able to pass a security clearance investigation and not be stupid enough to fuck up the technical session of the interview and you're set.

Finding a job in an area other than defense means that you can be at high risk for outsourcing or losing that position to an H1B since you will be competing with foreigners. No American wants to touch that shit. All the Indians and Chinese go and work on actual products that benefit their citizens. They also are starting to own a fair amount of stocks in companies that actually do produce stuff.

In fact the MIC has direct relations with plenty of other public and private universities and every year they get all the American engineering seniors about to graduate.

It is no surprise why there is 10% unemployment and a lot of underemployment in his country. It is because people are too dumb to actually produce something other than flipping burgers at McD's.

Peter Schiff pretty much summarized our current economic problem quite well. The average American doesn't produce anything anymore but he still wants to spend like he does. When you have 2/3 growth based on consumer spending in a country that actually doesn't make anything it can't sustain itself.

You're probably some dumb unemployed redneck living in his mom's basement who knows nothing about economics let alone science. Keep trying though, maybe you will get a job where you actually produce something then you can have a talk with the grownups about politics.

>>2380571

I'm actually an Intelligence Analyst for one of the companies OP listed, I know what I'm talking about as well.

The United States destroys other countries when it comes to Nobel Prizes and Patents. USA is the most innovative country in the world. Per capita Switzerland is, but quantity wise USA has the most new ideas.

Just because you're an aerospace engineer doesn't mean you know jack shit about science or economics.

>>2380571
>>Finding a job in an area other than defense means that you can be at high risk for outsourcing or losing that position to an H1B since you will be competing with foreigners. No American wants to touch that shit.

It is no surprise why there is 10% unemployment and a lot of underemployment in his country.

There might be some correlation between these two.