Good. Morons like him shouldn't have jobs.

They don't want crazy people working for them..

Especially considering A LOT of the people using NJ transit are muslim or at least south asian..

why did this thread just 404? muslim mods!?

i remember him smiling when he did it

not so fucking funny now is it teafaggot

Its not about free speech. Pretty much every employer has some kind of stipulation in their contracts that expressly states you can be terminated because of religious intolerance. Even on your off time.

You can say or do all you like in our country. That doesn't mean you won't pay the price for it.

>>2291545

Mudslime, American hating mods that don't want the fact that America hates white men to be spread throughout the internets.

>>2291539
>>2291540
>>2291548
>>2291551
samefag jews

time for lolocaust 2.0 get ready jews

This is funny brah, because this thread was deleted off the main page of /new/ about five minutes ago. Can you guess the content? Luckily I was able to capture it when I kept clicking the link, and it said 404 on the image and the 1 post omitted. If you think the mods here give a fuck about free speech, or news worthy articles you might as hell be mistaken. Did you see this or no?

He should sue them for firing him due to politics. Shit be worth millions.

why is everyone comparing this shit to "IF SOMEONE BURNED THE BIBLE NOTHING WOULD HAPPEN"

When was the last time someone publicly burned the bible in America? Specifically a muslim?

>>2291569
Muslim spotted

Why the fuck was the last thread deleted?

>>2291551
So you can be fired for expressing your first amendment rights when not at work? That's not coercion.

>mfw people assume that free speech is a "NOT ALLOWED TO DISAGREE WITH WHAT I AM DOING" card.
>mfw I'm glad there are people who understand that this is a retarded idea
>mfw suddenly conservatives are all for free speech

>>2291571

I know.

My post was the one that probably got it deleted.

I don't give a fuck.

Reported me to the fucking FBI.

I do not fucking care.

I've already got all the guns I fucking need.

Push me.

Push me over the edge.

Do it faggot.

"Congress shall make no law..." not "NJ Transit shall make no law..."

now he gets to sue them for infringing on his constitutional right to free speech, they get to charge him with 'hate crime' for show, and this gets to become a national issue that turns the citizens attentions to their vanishing civil liberties.

or nothing fucking happens, the guy gets fucked, the country continue its transformation into a 'ask first' nanny-state.

No one cared when Geico fired that guy for leaving harrassing messages at a Tea Party organization, so how is this any different?

The First Amendment gives you the right to say whatever you want, not to be immune from the consequences of doing so.

Since when is a company allowed to fire someone due to political views?

>>2291612

because apparently muslims are our public enemy #1

The employer was expressing his freedom of expression.

destroying a religious text can be seen as an act of racism, racists can't exactly be good bus drivers.

you have every right to express your freedom of speech, however, you are not immune to the consequences

>>2291621

I hope the ACLU jumps all over this.
this guy could end up with a nice settlement (assuming he hasn't already gotten one along with a gag agreement)

>>2291551
Still pretty gay though. Boo hoo, my holy book. I wish every religious nut who told me I'm going to burn in hell would get fired (no pun intended)

>>2291621
troll harder you stupid fuck.You deserve to be gang raped by a pack of niggers you piece of shit jew.

>>2291621

This.

We don't prevent people from doing this shit. But its not a "Do anything you want and get away with it" card. You will suffer the consequences for what you do and say. Part of that is that your employer can kick your shit to the curb.

Spout bullshit and burn books all you want. Don't expect everyone to like it, including your boss.

I wouldn't want a nut bag working for me, either.

>>2291571
>>2291571
mfw when a /new/ thread contains the phrase
>>jew moslem loving faggots

>>2291583

Maralyn Manson burned one every day, on every stop of his tour on every major city in America.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FCPSnaf3XSg

Guess what? Nobody got killed, nobody blew shit up or beheaded anyone or rioted.

>>2291532
>OMGZ BANNED BECAUSE HE BURNED KORAN!!!

Or...oooor...it may be that they fired him because he now has a police record.

And they don't usually allow people with police records to transport valuable goods.

Fail.

Lol @ 'land of the free'

land of the free for social conformers.

>>2291662
let's not forget a racist on a bus can end badly.

>>2291662

He doesn't have a record, he was never charged with anything, because he didn't do anything illegal. The police said they escorted him away for his own safety.

>>2291659
>mfw jews are the biggest supporters of moslem supremacy in court, political, and social settings.

>>2291651

>He presented a logical, easy-to-follow argument for which I have no response
>HURR DURR SHUT UP STUPID JEW NIGGER

>hurr that'll learn him

>>2291661
You conservatives tried to ban his music and have him arrest.

Slightly worse than the public getting pissed off about a Quran. You tried to use GOVERNMENT POWERS to fuck with him, which was illegal.

Nice try.

The problem:jews, niggers, and sand niggers

The solution: deportation to their respective countries under pain of death

This would fix 99% of the problems in the world

>>2291700
That makes no sense

Islamic banking allows absolutely no interest.

There goes the jews!

A private company can fire its employees if they turn out to be acting like assholes on TV.

It's different if you are burning effigies of the president and comparing him to hitler, as liberals did constantly for 8 years during President Bush. No one got arrested or fired then I think.

>>2291727

What would fix the problem of white people raping these countries for natural resources?

I'm new here /new/, and I have a question.

So just what are the teabagger's political positions?

>>2291698
>he was never charged with anything
Uh, you realize he was arrested that day by police, right? They took him away immediately after he burned the Quran. It's even in most videos of the incident.

Setting fires in the middle of a public street is, you know, a crime. It's a small crime but goes on his record. Which they can then use to fire him. Which they have.

>>2291735

Holy shit what are you guys

Women?

This victim complex is becoming a bit too much..

I don't think I ever heard anyone publicly burn effigies of Bush or compare him to Hitler.

Regardless he was a horrible president..

>>2291735
NJ transit is not a private company

>>2291738
That's not a problem because it doesn't happen?

Liberalism is a mental illness so by definition you are insane.

>>2291759
...

Fuck you guys

>>2291746
actually it was reported he wasn't charged with anything. he was probably escorted by the police for his safety and to prevent a mob.

>>2291727
jews don't have a respective country to deport them too, guess yoou know what that means!

>>2291532
He has free speech! He can do it again for all anyone cares.

But it was the market that fired him.
Free markets preserves us!

>>2291727

Good luck, the american government has your full support for these initiatives. They will carry this through to their fullest ability

>>2291735
>No one got arrested or fired then I think
ITT conservatives think liberals weren't arrested in even legal protests for the same fire code violations.

Most didn't get fired because they worked for people who understood how much of a fuckcunt Bush was. Seems this guy is feeling the biting sting of the law AND non-bigoted employers.

>>2291770
you called?

It's not a good idea to piss off south-asian people when you live in NJ.

That's a fucking haven for them. The employer probably new many of them..

>>2291784
i need your help to build death camps on the moon!

>>2291765
Apart from where, you know, he was. But sure, Fox News is truth! IS TRUTH! IS TRUTH!

Right?

ITT conservatives think setting FIRE to things in the MIDDLE OF THE STREET isn't a CRIME.

*facepalm*

They just didn't wanna have to pay out his life insurance policy when some Mudslimes kill him on the job.

He's a marked man, marked for death.

He's already dead.

>>2291653
>your employer can kick your shit to the curb
A corporation only has the right to control the speech of its employees in the workplace, or where they are acting as a representative of the company.

If this man had burned the Koran during business hours, or if he claimed to represent the political views of NJ Transit, they would have been within their rights to fire him.

However, he was acting as a private citizen, on his own time, expressing his own personal beliefs. The company had no more right to fire him for this than they have to dictate their employees political party or votes.

>>2291746
>Fenton was ushered from the protests by police and questioned, but he was released without charges.
Lrn2read the article newfag

>>2291748
>Holy shit what are you guys

>Women?

>This victim complex is becoming a bit too much..

BAWWW, LIBERALS HAVE MONOPOLIES ON CALLING OUT DISCRIMINATION, BAWWW, MUSLIMS ARE TOO PRECIOUS FOR THE FIRST AMENDMENT BECAUSE THEY'RE PREDOMINANTLY BROWN AND THEY'RE FROM THE FAR AWAY MYSTICAL MIDDLE EAST AND HAVE SO MUCH TO TEACH OUR CULTURE ABOUT TOLERANCE, BAWWW!

>I don't think I ever heard anyone publicly burn effigies of Bush or compare him to Hitler.

So you didn't used to watch the news and you do now?

>>2291653
That means China also has freedom of speech: You can say anything you want, but you ahve to face teh consequences.

Fuckin' liberals, how do they work?

thats racischist

To all people who thinks he has done wrong can go back to where you belong. It's alright for the muslims to behead a person or people, or blow themselves up in the middle of an innocent crowd, or hold them hostage in exchange for money, but it's not alright for someone who standing up for what he beleives in. You guys are a bunch of hypocrites. Anyone who has against this country can live anytime, we won't miss you. dumb phackers.
----------------------
How the fuck do you become this retarded

>>2291794
from the article you are posting about but never bothered to read:
>Fenton was ushered from the protests by police and questioned, but he was released without charges.

Status:
Told [ ✓]
Not Told [ ]

What's the matter conservitards? Free Market not working out now?

>>2291748
Are you shitting me? Do you remember the anti-war protests when liberals were burning cardboard imitations of Cheney and Tony Blair in front of the white house, and no one complained?

In comparison, ONE man reacts towards the insane flag-burning by the middle east and gets fired.

He wouldn't have been if more people were standing up to radical Islam. Look how many people are burning the American flag EVERY FUCKING DAY.

>>2291794

Liberals think anything they don't like is a crime.

Remember Joey Boot's video where he calls some fat ugly whore a fat ugly whore and she tells the cop he was "verbally abusive" with this childish, shit eating grin on her face like she just ratted out a boy that was mean to her in kindergarten?

Yea, that's liberals.

>>2291653
You have the freedom to murder too, you just have to pay the consequences.

The more time I spend around liberals, the more I'm convinced they're nothing more than just self-effacing fascists.

Welcome to capitalism, idiots, your employer can fire you because they don't feel like employing you anymore. If you get in the news for doing something controversial, they WILL fire you because they don't want that attached to their name.

There are no rules saying you can't burn a koran, but there are no rules saying your employer can't fire you over it. Actions have consequences, you are not exempt from them.

>>2291808
i would fire him because he showed poor judgment and a lack of critical thinking skills by burning that koran he was giving into emotions an irationalism, fair enough if he hates islam. but if hes stupid enough to go around doing that shit then he is a threat and potential liability to any business he works for

>>2291844

>Look how many people are burning the American flag EVERY FUCKING DAY.

IN AMERICA?!

And those war protests were valid

Unless you're a fucking idiot

HOW'S THAT FREE MARKET WORKING OUT FOR YOU?

if NJ transit sent out a memo saying: "if you burn a Koran, we will fire you" then that is limiting your freedom of speech. firing someone for burning a Koran, on the other hand, is totally legal. doesn't mean the guy can't sue.

also: he wasn't arrested you stupid niggers, read the article

>NJTransit
>Free market

Are y'all retarded?

>>2291892

I'd fire him.

Not for insulting islam, but for creating a mess around himself which I want no part of. Upper management is not obligated to respect your free speech.

>>2291859
I think we ought to execute any employer who thinks they have the right to fire someone for practicing their first amendment rights outside of the workplace.

>>2291897
Fuck yes they are when it is entirely disparate from your work.

>>2291892
It doesn't matter whether a given employer is public or private, it's part of the same employment market and governed by the same rules.

The same thing would happen in the private sector unless the entire chain of command agrees with you, and they would have every right to fire you. Only a contractual agreement can tell an employer they're not allowed to fire you, and employment contracts tend to be carefully written so that they won't save your ass.

>>2291892

>he thinks a job working for NJTransit is any different than a job working for anyone else

I like the arguments in this thread.

>Americans have the right to free speech only if they are financially independent and do not rely on an employer for their wage.

NO FREEDOM FOR POORFAGS, WELCOME TO OBAMA'S AMERICA!

>>2291906
The moment you step back into their building you're under their jurisdiction. They can fire you because they felt like it, they don't need any justification.

The easiest way to get fired is to piss your employer off. Being on TV stirring shit up in public has a high probability of pissing them off.

OH BOY, LIBERALS THINK THE FIRST AMENDMENT SHOULD BE BOUGHT AND PAID FOR BUT HEALTHCARE IS A RIGHT!

So can I fire my employee for getting sick and have that be ok with you classist pieces of shit?

>>2291862
>those war protests were valid
>protesting monument to ideology of 9/11 perpetrators isn't

Gotta love those libfag double standards.

>>2291827
He was arrested. But totally, those police were just there for fun. They totally only helped him out. Which they totally only did for a completely unrelated reason immediately after he burned the Quran and not before.

ITT conservatives STILL think that burning shit in the middle of a public street isn't a crime.

*facepalm*

At-will employment, idiots.

>>2291862
THE FIRST AMENDMENT SHOULD BE PROTECTED WHEN I AGREE WITH WHAT PEOPLE ARE SAYING, OTHERWISE YOU PAY THE CONSEQUENCES! NO FREEDOM OF SPEECH FOR THE POOR, IT'S ONLY EGALITARIAN THAT WAY!

>>2291945

The leaders of this country had a direct effect on going to war.

The Mosque being built has nothing to do with the people who attacked on 9-11

>>2291950

>at will employment

>my face when New Jersey is a union state and I guarantee this dude belongs to the New Jersey transit union

Indeed, he probably HAD to join the union to work for New Jersey transit.

>>2291949
It's not a crime when it's secular.

>>2291945
>protesting monument to ideology of 9/11 perpetrators isn't

Yeah, problem with your idiocy is that the latter didn't happen. Theres no monument being built to the "ideology of the 9/11 perpetrators".

Epic fail.

>implying freedom of speech means total anarchy

Its called personal responsibility. You own what you say and do. The first amendment allows you to do and say what you will. It doesn't muzzle those around you though when you piss them off. It cuts both ways. If I don't like your ass making my transit authority look like shit, you're out on your ass.

Freedom of speech does not guarantee employment.

>>2291944
Yes, you can - it's just a bad business strategy.

I know plenty of people working for my same former employer who were fired over bereavement, illness, maternity, and so on. The only reason I wasn't fired from that company was because they went bankrupt before they had the chance - their incompetence did them in.

Firing someone for getting arrested and put in the news is nothing out of the ordinary.

>>2291950
So can we fire employees who get sick at will too?

>>2291746

He was never charged with anything, this was reported multiple times. He didn't break the law, it's not against the law to burn a koran. It's called free speech. They escorted him away to protect him.

>>2291973
Go light a fire in the middle of a park, public space or street.

Claim it's secular.

See what happens.

*facepalm*

>>2291983

Is it me or are conservatives arguing for certain rights put in place for workers...

"At will" employment states typically includes red states like Texas and Virginia.

New Jersey is a union state and the phrase "at will" does not describe his union contract with the New Jersey transit authority at all.

>>2291983
Aww, apart from where they cannot help getting sick. And have a legitimate legal excuse. And are already protected by workers rights.

Fail.

>>2291983

See:

>>2291980

A contract can state that your employer can't fire you except for certain reasons, but very few workers have such contracts - 99.99% of the time employment contracts are one-sided arrangements in favor of the people who wrote them.

>mfw when laws passed by conservatives to punish flag burners are now being used against conservatives who burn the Koran

>>2292005
>workers rights

Funny how conservatives finally care about workers' rights for a couple of minutes while it's convenient to them.

>>2292005
>HURR DURR YOU CAN ONLY HAVE UNPOPULAR OPINIONS IF YOU CAN AFFORD TO BY THEM, FREEDOM OF SPEECH IS TOO VALUABLE A COMMODITY FOR THE POOR!

Gosh, it's so fun to see liberals turning into fascists for no reason other than that conservatives are actually making up the bulk of contemporary protests these days.

He was never charged with anything retards! Jesus.

It was in every news story that there were no charges. It's not against the law to burn a koran.

>>2292009
>implying there are laws against burning the US flag in the USA

>>2292018
>ALL CONSERVATIVES ARE THE SAME HURR DURR
Fail harder, faggot.

FREE SPEECH DOES NOT WORK THAT WAY

If your fire violates public ordinances to "make a statement," then you are still breaking the law. The 1st amendment does not protect people who do explicitly illegal things and then call it part of their free speech. Voodoofags can't kill newborn children and call it 'free speech,' because the 1st amendment ONLY protects what statements you make - not how you express these statements.

>>2291977
That "community center" will be just that in effect. Why do you think Mr. Rauf's organization choose Cordoba Initiative for the name of the project? Any idea of the history of Cordoba, Spain?

Also,
>Epic fail
Get out.

>>2292068
Cordoba Spain was the head of the Western emirate after Muslims forcibly conquered Spain and began converting everyone in the area into Muslims and raping all of the women to spread their Arab genes throughout Spain which is still polluted to this day.

>>2292096

>I like to make shit up

The only thing stopping an employer from firing someone is if they have an agreement with the employees, such as union deals.

It's very likely that any such arrangements would have a clause allowing them to fire the guy in this case.

>>2292108

>Fact #4: "Cordoba" is historically a term of insult. It's been used ever since Muslim conquerors proclaimed their victory--not by a flag (to represent a country) but by establishing a mosque (to represent their religion)--when they defeated the Christian Spaniards in Cordoba, Spain.

A particularly wise older gentleman I once knew told me that true freedom is not measured by rights and legal precedent, but by the degree to which one's life is compartmentalized.

For a free man, unrelated aspects of life have no bearing on one another. A free man can pray to the god of his choosing without his religion following him past the doors of the church. A free man may take any political stance he wishes without these choices ever leaving the voting booth. A free man may have sex with whoever he pleases, without his preferences leaving the bedroom. A free man could be a devil-worshiping, anarchistic homosexual in his free time, and still be just as respected in the workplace as a conservative heterosexual Christian of equal ability.

He told me that you know you're a slave when the things you say and believe follow you around like a ball and chain. You know you're a slave when your worth is measured not by ability, but by conformity in your private life.

>>2292096
Cordoba was a center of religious tolerance during Moorish rule, retard

>>2292125
>unsourced statement

Keep making shit up, nigger.

>>2291532
Once again, you faggots don't realize what "free speech" means.

It means you won't get arrested or punished by the government or law for it.

You still have to deal with the consequences of your actions.

>>2291607
NJ Transit is not a private company.

Muslims have every right the build the mosque.
People have every right to burn the Koran in response.

Government has no say in any of this.

>>2292137
The greatest level of freedom is where one person's rights end precisely where someone else's begin. Under this system all people have equal rights and responsibilities under law.

An employee has the right to burn a koran, but the employer has the right to fire him because of it. Both parties' rights have been upheld in this case.

>>2292155
That's irrelevant in this context.

Actions have consequences, deal with it.

>>2292152
Once again, you faggots don't realize what "free healthcare" means.

It means you won't get arrested or punished by the government or law for going to the hospital.

You still have to deal with the consequences of your actions.

>>2292143
>mfw eliminating faiths not of "The Book" and reducing the "People of The Book" (i.e. Christians and Jews) to second class citizens constitutes as religious tolerance

>>2291610
That's not what "hate crime" means

It's not illegal to hate things. It's illegal to do illegal things as a result of your hatred

>>2292202
>Getting sick has consequences. Deal with it.

Free speech applies to speech.

It doesn't apply to actions committed to express speech - you don't get a free pass out of your consequences because you were voicing your opinion.

>>2292230
Employers can fire you for taking time off, it's just that most choose to grant leave by their own choice.

He's not being prosecuted by the state.
No right has been infringed.

>>2292202
ITT: People give away their freedom under the guise of "responsibility."

How short-sited can you possibly be? If you let a corporation fire someone for the exercise of free speech and claim that he should take responsibility for his actions, where does a company's power end?

Would you say that a company run by a strongly liberal CEO has the right to fire employees who vote for Republican candidates? I mean, nobody's forcing them to vote one way, and individuals have to be responsible for their choices, right?

>>2292238
>>2291607
>>2291633
>>2291621
sure is wannabe lawyers who have no idea what they're talking about in here

Muslims destroy a building. Liberals adopt them.
Christians burn a book. Liberals want to throw them in prison.

>>2292276
>If you let a corporation

Nobody has to "let" them, it's their decision to make and they've made up their minds.

>>2292276
This isn't a corporation. He's an employee of the State of New Jersey. That's why it's complicated.

Liberals are the definition of hypocrisy.Liberalism is a religion.The religion for butthurt faggots.

Whats the cure for liberalism? Deport every jew to israel, as liberalism/communism is a jewish invention

>>2292238
You really ought to take a look at real legal precedent. Start with United States v. Eichman (1990).

If you don't feel like looking it up, this case ruled that burning a flag constituted "symbolic speech," and thus was protected under the first amendment. Burning a Koran is no different.

I love morons who don't know what freedom of speech means. Freedom of speech means the GOVERNMENT can't stop you from expressing what you want. It doesn't mean your job can't fire you for being a bigoted retard.

If somebody was interviewed on camera by a news organization and on the air they called their boss a fucking douchenozzle, would you really be crying about "freedom of speech" if he got fired? No, everyone would be calling him a fucking idiot and saying that he got what was coming to him.

>>2292276
>Would you say that a company run by a strongly liberal CEO has the right to fire employees who vote for Republican candidates?

Yes
It's their company. They can do with it as they please.

>>2292313
This is what libtards actually believe

He's allowed to burn as many Qurans as he wants, but his employers don't have to stand by someone who would do something like that.

>>2292305
State-run employment entities work more or less the same as private companies, with the sole exception that they are subject not only to state law but state policies as well.

The state of New Jersey can set a policy that no state employees may be fired for philosophical reasons, but 99% chance this isn't the case here.

>>2292313
But what if your job...IS THE GOVERNMETN?

>There are no rules for posting, but there are no rules for moderators either so enjoy your ban.

>>2292326
10/10, would rage again

die in a fire you fucking retard scum.

>>2292326
Because it's fucking true, sorry conservatards. If you make an idiot of yourself publicly, expect that to reflect on the way people see you, which includes your employers. Welcome to life.

>>2292349

See:

>>2292334
>>2292238
>>2291936

Your question has been answered many times in this thread.

He can't be prosecuted for his opinions, but that doesn't mean he can't be fired for them - nor does it mean he can't be prosecuted for how he ACTS on his opinions. You're entitled to your opinion, but you aren't granted any special privileges in what actions you take because of it.

>>2291532

OH man. The fact that his employer is a government entity makes this an interesting case.

I smell a successful law suit.

>I am exempt from city fire codes because my bonfire is part of how I am making a statement.

>Making death threats against black people is part of my self-expression as a white nationalist, so it is protected as free speech and I can't be prosecuted for making death threats.

>I can't be prosecuted for theft because I have free speech and my opinion is that I'm allowed to steal.

This isn't how free speech works.

>>2292291
>>2292318
Gosh, this thread is a laugh riot. All of a sudden liberals are for corporate personhood and against workers rights. GEE, I WONDER IF IT'S BECAUSE HE BURNED THE QUR'AN INSTEAD OF THE BIBLE OR THE FLAG? Way too be a bunch of "tough love" hypocrites the minute protests fly your way you don't like.

>>2292388
If by "successful" you mean "settled out of court to save money."

Hooray for the jewish jackpot.

>>2292410
It's not corporate personhood, it's firing an unwanted employee.

If you don't want to get fired then you're supposed to keep your employer happy with you, welcome to life.

>>2292357
Just hopping in this thread to point this out but.. Do you realize how ridiculous it is for a liberal to say that?

>>2292410

And suddenly you're for workers rights when it comes to burning Qu'rans. Deal with it.

A CONTROVERSYFAG GETS FIRED FOR STIRRING UP CONTROVERSY?

THIS IS A POUTRAGE

>>2292039
>DURRR YOUS LIBERALS HATING THE POOR

You conservatives are hilarious when you grasp at straws.

He was fired under the same laws conservatives originally created.

Sick leave is an entirely different thing, protected by liberals, because it is a genuine workers right. You are not responsible for being sick, you can legally qualify that you were sick, and you cannot be indefinitely sick otherwise you do get fired because then it is unfair to the employer.

But a sick day, with a legitimate excuse, using the allocated sick days liberals fought for in workers rights?

Not even remotely the same as some moron doing something publically and recieving the backlash from his State employer (not private), especially because it fucks up who he works with and who he works for.

See the difference conservitard?

Sick days are legitimate.

Burning the Quran fucks with the business he works for. They wouldn't be able to fire him if they found out he did it privately.

But he purposely did it publically, presenting the problem.

He has freedom of speech. Just as his employers have the freedom to fire those who publically create a shit situation for their business.

Fail.

>>2292410
Nice strawman dumbass, if he was burning the bible and antagonizing christians in a bigoted manner and got fired for it, I wouldn't give a shit then either. I'm also not against this guy's right to burn a koran. But what you conservatards fail to understand is that there's a difference between something being illegal and being fired from your job for doing something or making an ass out of yourself.

Grow a brain.

You're entitled to have an opinion.

Others are entitled to deal with you according to their personal approval of your opinion.

Welcome to adulthood, continued employment is not a right.

>>2292406
That's nice... but OP's dude didn't commit a crime. You may notice that he wasn't charged with anything.

Symbolic speech, which can include the burning of books and/or flags has been upheld by the Supreme Court as protected by the 1st Amendment.

So your little analogy falls apart. He's not asking to be exempt from laws because of free speech.

>>2292425
>If you don't want to get fired then you're supposed to keep your employer happy with you, welcome to life.
Does that include sucking his cock if he finds you sexually attractive? What if he wants you to join his religion? What if he just dislikes the color of your skin? All within his rights to fire you because he's unhappy with you as a person regardless of your job performance, right?

>>2292437
>I KNOW YOU ARE BUT WHAT AM I?
Go back to middle school and leave the conversations to the grownups.

>>2292428
You realize how ridiculous it is to think you have absolute knowledge over what liberals do or don't think, or even that I'm a liberal?

>>2292447
>there's a difference between something being illegal and being fired from your job for doing something or making an ass out of yourself.

The liberal hypocrisy ITT has officially reached critical mass

>>2292478
>LOLOLOL BURNING STUFF IN A PUBLIC STREET ISNT A CRIME

ITT typical conservatives.

>>2292439
LIBERALS DON'T HAVE MONOPOLIES ON PROTESTING AND BEING DISCRIMINATED AGAINST?

BETTER WHINE ABOUT WHINY CONSERVATIVES AND PRETEND I'M NOT BUTTHURT.

>>2292483

I brought it down to your level. I thought you'd be happy, not angry. Anyway, I ain't joinin you in elementary school again kid. Fuck that noise.

>>2292493
I'm sorry you're so dumb you mistake basic facts for "hypocrisy" especially since I've said nothing to contradict that at all.

>>2292493
>DURRR HYPOCRISY!!!

In what way? You've had it specifically spelled out for you and you still can't figure out the difference.

One is illegal. The other is not.

Seeing as what he did fucks with his workplace, fucks with his business, fucks with fellow employees, fucks with his employers customers and fucks with the State who employs him...

Then it's perfectly legal to fucking fire him.

ITT butthurt conservatives ignore reality, again.

You know, I used to be a liberal when I started hanging out in /new/. But it's liberal responses in threads like this in which they're ready to entirely undermine all their values at the drop of a hat because it's convenient in the very, very short term to be against guys like this that made me realize they're juvenile, intolerant pieces of shit and I want no part of their club.

>>2292478
>So your little analogy falls apart. He's not asking to be exempt from laws because of free speech.
Firing somebody isn't a law, it's a decision that your services are no longer wanted in this job.

>>2292483
>Does that include sucking his cock if he finds you sexually attractive?
You can sue for sexual harassment but there is nothing wrong with firing people you don't want in your department. The reason this behavior is not widespread is because managers who trade jobs for fellatio will likely be fired themselves.

>thread
>free speech

Free speech has no bearing here, you are not obligated to respect other people's opinions. If you hire a man, then later fire him because you don't like the way he acts in public, then you are well within your rights to do so.

Obviously the solution is to wear a burka and then burn the koran

>>2292540
He hasn't been charged with a crime, and it's well established that flag burning is legal. Care to explain why burning a Qur'an is different?

>>2292545
>I used to drink coca cola, but then I saw fellow drinkers trolling in /new/ so I switched to pepsi - because I know that a true pepsi drinker would NEVER post shit in this board.

>>2292545
If that's what you honestly see in this thread, then you're a retard and liberals don't want you in their club. GTFO.

>>2292563
It's legal, but that doesn't mean your employer can't fire you for doing it.

>>2292505
Do I have to point you to the exact court cases that state this?

"Appellees' prosecution for burning a flag in violation of the Act is inconsistent with the First Amendment. The Government concedes, as it must, that appellees' flag burning constituted expressive conduct."
- U.S. v. Eichman (1990)

If a person is permitted to burn a flag publicly, and for the purpose of protest, without it being illegal, then a person can clearly do the same to a Koran.

I'd like to take this moment to remind everyone that the guy who used to be the voice of Geiko Gecko was fired over calling a teaparty headquarters and asking them some sarcastic questions such as "What percentage of teaparty members are mentally retarded or mentally ill?"

Whereas, these same teaparty members left threatening messages with Geiko over his comments AFTER they hunted down who he was and where he works.

>>2292545
>DURRR LIBERAL RESPONSES!!!
>Liberals provide specific, detailed arguments why this is perfectly legal, met with conservatives shouting "durrr you hypocrits" immediately after
>Conservatives provide absolutely no counter-arguments
>You claim liberals drop their values when it's convienient

Hey conservative, you...uh...are not fooling anyone, you know.

>>2292577

Indeed. The right was as silent as death when that happened.

>>2292549
You're right. You also have the right to pay your employee whatever you deem his service worth, so we should abolish the freedom crushing minimum wage laws that prevent two parties from negotiating freely.

>>2292545
Jealous conservitard wishes he was down with the liberal cool kids.

Gainful employment is a privilege, not a right.

>>2292584
Our argument is the fucking supreme court and the first amendment you dipshit. Your argument is "IT'S LEGAL 'CAUSE I SAY SO, SO THERE!"

>>2292576
Yes, in a protest. Where a fire marshall or fire official is present or on private property.

You cannot burn a flag in a public area, in direct violation of the fire code, even in protest unless you have met the fire safety requirements.

This guy not only set shit on fire without meeting any points of the fire code. But he also littered (he left the shit on the pavement). Which is a fineable offence in New York.

Try again?

>>2292577
>>2292577
>>2292577
>>2292577
well shit.
yet again conservatives prove nothing matters to them except getting their way

>>2292612
So is a living wage.

>>2292573
>It's legal, but that doesn't mean your employer can't fire you for doing it.
Actually, that's exactly what it means.

He didn't burn the Koran on company property, or on company time, and burning it did not constitute a crime. Therefore, NJ Transit had no right to fire him for it.

>>2292637
sure they did.
He brought unpopular attention to their business, that may result in customers boycotting their business if they did not do something to repudiate his actions as not being "typical of their business"

you have the right to do what you want, doesn't mean your employers have to put up with the negative publicity you gather

>>2292637
He didn't have to. A company can hire or fire anyone for almost any reason. That's their right.

>>2292616
>DURRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR
No, we cite the specific instances where it's legal.

He has freedom of speech. Freedom of speech doesn't extend to the work place. You can't wear whatever you want at work, or say whatever you want at work.

And if what you do outside of work directly fucks with your employers business or the workplace relations...

They can fire you.

Fail.

>>2292629
>Implying I think his employer had the right to fire him for that provided he did it on his own time with his own phone because obviously all conservatives are SARAH PALIN SUPPORTERS AND GO TO CHURCH EVERY SUNDAY.

Try again, you shit-tickling cunt.

>>2292637
Employers have the right to fire their employees under any circumstances not explicitly blocked by agreements.

Unless the man has a contract which specifically states they can't fire him for this action, then his firing is valid - nobody is obligated to keep writing paychecks unless they signed a contract agreeing to do so.

>>2292667
HOW DOES IT FUCK WITH HIS EMPLOYER'S BUSINESS

FREE CLUE FOR THE LIBERALS: IT DOESN'T.

JESUS FUCK LIBERALS ARE RETARDED

A: THEY CAN'T FIRE ME I HAVE FREE SPEECH

B: Free speech doesn't mean they can't fire you.

repeat until thread autosages

So now the Muslims have his name and an idea where he lives

>>2292678
Managers make their own calls on what they want under themselves.

If you see someone in the news and you decide you don't want him in your department, then you have every right to remove him.

>>2292678
FREE CLUE FOR CONSERVATARD
DUMBASS LIBERALS WOULD BOYCOTT THEIR BUSINESS IF THEY DIDN'T AT LEAST SAY "he doesn't represent the common mindset here at NJ transit", and even then some of the dumber ones would say "WELL IF YOU DON'T FIRE HIM, IT MEANS YOU APPROVE OF HIM"

>>2291532
Blame conservatives. They are the ones who support the concept of "employment at will" by which an employer can terminate employment without having to say why.

I remember when this news first came out, about the Koran burning at Ground Zero

Everyone on /new/ assumed it was some redneck from the South

ITT: Liberals show their true colors

I'll enjoy their raging butthurt in November, and I ain't even American.

>>2292678
Would be exactly the same if one employee came out as the leader of the local KKK. It's about public perception. Businesses have the right to protect themselves from public scrutiny due to the actions of one employee.

IDIOT MAKES A SCENE

IDIOT LOSES HIS JOB

Mr. cause, meet Mr. effect. Effect, cause. Cause, effect.

One day we will all meet a conservative that actually knows wtf Free Speech is. Currently they all seem to believe that it involves saying whatever you want and no one is allowed to disagree and they will be no consequences for you.

HINT: it really about the Govt not throwing you in fuckin jail for saying wtf you want

>>2292685
A: Free expression isn't free expression without freedom from federal and corporate coercion, employers have no right to fire employees for expressing themselves outside of the work place any more than they have the right to fire them for going to the wrong church outside of the workplace

B: THEY DO TOO! STUPID CONSERVITARDS!

Repeat until thread autosages.

PEOPLE WHO DO IDIOTIC THINGS THAT WIND UP IN THE NEWS DO GET FIRED FROM THEIR JOBS, IF IT'S AN IMPORTANT JOB OR A BAD CRIME

THIS IS NOT NEW

>>2292708
>he thinks the republicans and tea party haven't destroyed their chances by splitting their vote for november

>>2292711
>>2292709
>>2292698
I love how its so hard for conservatives to understand that businesses don't like bad publicity caused by an employee
But then they were pissed when the voice of Geico Gecko made fun of the teaparty guys and got HIM fired.

Hypocrisy? FROM CONSERVATIVES? noooo never heard of it before

>>2292728
Many teachers have been fired for being strippers or doing other exotic, non-sexual things

/new/s flash: if you kick up a shitfit in public then your employer might fire you.

Fact is if a libtard does drugs and acts like a freak in public its almost impossible for him to get fired because of his "hurr rights" as long as he stays within the liberal box.

ie Barack Obama, racist church goer, took drugs.

>>2292728
>employers have no right to fire employees for expressing themselves outside of the work place any more than they have the right to fire them for going to the wrong church outside of the workplace

>have the right to fire them for going to the wrong church outside of the workplace

Again, it is a matter of public perception. The employer has the right to fire an employee because of his religion, but most likely this will not be the case, as that would actually cause controversy and put the business in a negative light. Causing controversy and bringing unwanted attention to a company is a perfectly valid reason for firing the employee responsible.

>>2292709
Sorry, the rights of employees come before the right of a business to have good P.R., and businesses asbsofuckinglutely do not have the right to "protect themselves from public scrutiny" you corporate cock sucker.

>>2292718
No one's saying he can't be criticized, way to strawman faggot.

HINT: Coercion from your employer is still coercion, dipshit.

>>2292767
>Sorry, the rights of employees come before the right of a business to have good P.R., and businesses asbsofuckinglutely do not have the right to "protect themselves from public scrutiny" you corporate cock sucker.

I challenge you to cite any law or policy stating this.

The 1st amendment doesn't say you have the right to a paycheck.

>>2292745
see >>2292668. The tea party doesn't speak for me, faggot.

Conservative status:

[ ] Normal Americans
[X] Total fucking hypocrites

The funny part is that the man COULD have burned the koran and been just fine, but he did it like an ignorant redneck and caught hell. Do it right on the sidewalk without a permit then just drop flaming crap into the street, great idea.

Brofist for the employer.

Proof conservatives lack intelligence and responsibility.

>>2292767
>and businesses asbsofuckinglutely do not have the right to "protect themselves from public scrutiny" you corporate cock sucker

When it is caused by their own employee, yes, they do. His actions are harmful to the business, so the business has the right to protect itself from harm as long as it is within the purview of their authority. No right has been infringed.

>>2292761
>does drugs and acts like a freak in public
hahahaha
thats a good one
http://www.huliq.com/10164/senator-barbara-boxer-aide-brings-new-meaning-term-going-green

>Your face when these shit happened under the rule of a nigger/muslim dictator

>>2291551

if he burned a bible, nobody would give a shit

>>2292773
No one's saying it does, all we're saying is IF YOU CAN'T GET FIRED FOR PRACTICING FREEDOM OF RELIGION THEN YOU CAN'T GET FIRED FOR PRACTICING FREEDOM OF EXPRESSION, IT'S THE SAME FUCKING AMENDMENT YOU DIPSHIT.

THE REAL QUESTION, HOW WOULD THIS GUY HURT THE COMPANY IF NO ONE, OUTSIDE HIS PLACE OF WORK, KNEW WHO HE WAS?

>>2292746
Which they shouldn't be. But neither of us make the law, I'm advocating for what it ought to be. Freedom of speech should be something that everyone has the same right to regardless of economic status.

>>2292817
Ideally, people with I.Q.s over 80 might realize that people have the right express themselves while realizing those who express things they disagree with are responsible for what they do and not their employers.

>>2292845
Except his type of expression has garnered negative attention for the busines. The fact of the matter is the employee isn't the only one with rights. If an employee had a live stream of himself slanderizing the company he worked for, the company has every right to remove him, but no legal action can be taken against him. THAT is his freedom of expression.

>>2292899
Funny, that's what the ACLU is there for. To defend American's civil liberties even when what they're doing under the protection of the constitution isn't popular.

Satanists are pretty commonly disliked, can they be fired? Muslims aren't particularly popular right now, would corporations be justified in firing them?

This man is being persecuted for his beliefs.

/new/ - Uninformed speculation about employment law

>>2292938

i can answer that right now.

Muslim is an extremist propagandist, company fires him/her, Muslim sues.

Muslim wins.

>>2291532
>Free speech

What? He expressed himself however he liked. Now he's sucking up the consequences.
Most workplaces have a fairly standard anti-bigotry stance, and shit like this will not go down smooth.

>If Fenton was fired for burning the Koran while off-duty, his First Amendment rights probably were violated, Chris Dunn of the New York Civil Liberties Union said.

He'll probably also get the ACLU to help him sue the hell out of them.

Actually, this guy may end up being very rich and all he had to do was burn a few pages and get fired by a government organization.

>>2292938
>Satanists are pretty commonly disliked, can they be fired? Muslims aren't particularly popular right now, would corporations be justified in firing them?

Yes

Have his rights in any way been infringed by the state? Can he still burn Korans without legal ramifications? Assuming he does it within the privacy of his own home, or some place with lenient fire safety codes, yes he can. He still has the freedom to do so, he still has the right to do so. The company does not have to appreciate or respect these rights, only the state must. Otherwise you will be enforcing tolerance, and infringing upon the rights of people to be intolerant.

>mfw libfags defend firing of employee for expressing his right to free speech off the job

WE SUPERMAN NOW

>>2292846

I agree. If the company didn't identify the damn guy, then he would have just went home and nothing would have happened as far as his employment. If he was fired due to a public safety violation then that makes sense, but if it is because "he stained the reputation of the company," then how much does ones freedom of speech get intruded on in your private/free time?

>MFW its ok for mudslimes, beaners, anti-Americans and other trash to burn the flag of the U.S, and they escape with no repercussions.

>Still MFW a proud American gets fucked for the same.

>>2293306
mfw you put "proud american" and "mudslime fundamentalists" in same category

>>2293306
He didn't legally, and that's what's important.

>>2293367 He didn't legally, and that's what's important.

Please clarify, sir. Are you stating that it's legal to burn the national ensign, but illegal to burn the Koran?