Insurance companies will make more money. You'll be forced to pay them.

Nothing. It will never get passed.

I think it opens the insurance market to federal level instead of state level

Government spending on health care costs will be slashed by $1.4 trillion over the next 20 years and insurance companies will no longer be able to jerk their customers around, including those that are uninsured right now.

United States Socialist Republic will replace United States of America.

nobody knows anymore. Not even the people writing the health care bill.

>>228894
but it will cost 10 times as much as the savings to do

so enjoy your taxes going up on well everything

>>228926
Taxes are going up regardless, we are in a huge fucking hole (dug by both parties) and there is simply no way to slash enough spending to cover the gap. Taxes are going up regardless of who is in power.

>>228868

Biggest point is that companies will no longer be able to deny coverage based on medical history.

>>228926

It will cost more to the rich, not the middle class. Anyone making +250k a year in bank annuities gets a tax hike, but 95% of small businesses making ~250k a year get a tax exemption.

Thank you rich people for helping out the country you love so much.

The Democrats are working for the insurance companies.

Their bill will require every American to become a customer of the insurance companies, giving the insurance companies billions and billions in new profits year after year.

>>228938
but how does that help poor people?

>>228943
mittromney.jpg

>>228946
it doesn't. it's going to make health insurance more expensive.

>>228948
Democrats repeated over 9000 times yesterday that they want to give insurance to the 15-30m people who can't afford it so I really doubt there is nothing in the bill that will do that for them.

>>228955
I dunno they can't seem to grasp the concept of making health care and health insurance cheaper so that more people can afford it

>>228970

It will be cheaper. It will cut the premiums of poor and lower middle class households by 30%. It will not lower higher plans directly, but by the other initiatives in the bills everyone's premiums go down (no more ER fees of 1000 dollars per person means savings for everyone).

Government now provides just over half of the medical care in the country and is going broke.
Private insurance covers the other half and is profitable. Government wants to close down the profitable part.

>>228993
it..doesn't..work..like..that..

*smashes face into desk*

no preexisting conditions. no people without insurance

>>229006
medicare advantage is doing alright...

>>229013
And the bill ends it.

Sounds exactly what Canada did

1) Impose a tax on not having insurance, make this tax less than the price of having insurance.

2) Mandate that insurance cannot be turned down by anyone.

3) ????

4) HOLY SHIT WHY HAVE ALL OUR CUSTOMERS LEFT AND EVERYONE BUYING INSURANCE IS SOMEHOW MYSTERIOUSLY SICK?!

5) Blame rising prices on evil companies.

>>229014
they're getting rid of Part C? what? there is no way they could leave in that, but not get rid of D. no one is that fucking dumb.

bullshit, I give me sources.

>>229008

Sure it does.

>>229006

Private insurance is profitable because they are jacking up premiums on existing customers and dropping millions of customers who get sick.

>>229014

Good. It's a waste of money subsidizing the insurance companies.

>>229016

You don't complain about having to buy auto insurance. Those that can't afford insurance will get gov subsidies.

Hardly anyone is using two sentences to describe the health care bill.

I, however, WILL, by using a run on sentence that quickly changes topic RIGHT NOW so anyway health care reform will change next to nothing by the time it passes because nobody really cares about it anymore and the Dems are more concerned about passing SOMETHING instead of nothing regardless of what that something is.

Omg omg just look at this I got a papercut. But don't worry I've got government insurance and can see a doctor let the government pay for the visit!

>>229033
liability insurance. and subsidies are bad. just as a general rule, they're bad economics.

health care is good but the people using it are not

Why do the Democrats want to make the poor wait until 2015 to get the free medical care?

>>229043

You will still be able to purchase liability insurance with this bill.

>>229058
>my face

>my face

That's not an answer.

>>229097

They don't. They want to start it next year and they can if republicans stop filibustering. Then they can pass a Medicare buy-in for those +45 years old, and expand medicare to those +50 years old.

Public Option would also speed up the benefits.

>>229118
if they do that, the country will go fucking bankrupt.

why don't they just open up social security to 45 or 50 year olds while they're at it?

>>229132

It'll be cheaper if they do expand Medicare, not more expensive. More people in =/= more sick people in. That's how pools work.

>>228868
Okay, listen, I get that you want this simple. But it's not. It's complicated. I don't want to tell you to not care, but if you're asking for this thing in two sentences, you're not gonna get any real understanding whatsoever about what the bill is intended to do. If you wanna know this sorta thing, stop being lazy and read up - don't go looking for two sentence answers on here.

>>229151
we ALL pay into medicare. the more people covered by it, the quicker it's going to go run out of money.

>>229182

Only without reform. The bills lower the cost of health care for those on Medicare.

>>229182
So let me get this straight. You think that if we all have medicare, we'd run out of money to pay for medicare?

What about putting the amount of money we save buying private healthcare being put into taxes that ultimately cost us less to pay for medicare for all? Besides this, if that was the only form of healthcare, and it was mandated that we all had to have insurance or pay a fee, the situation would work itself to the point where insurance has to cost less. Why? Because broke people can't pay money - you need to lower prices sometimes. Somehow, a lotta free market cheerleaders seem to forget that.

>>229198
because private insurance is profitable, medicare isn't.

medicare a isn't free, and medicare b doesn't nearly cover as much as private insurance, and it's -still- losing money

>>229205
In a system with other corrupt and self-serving private entities, of course it would - and yet all old people seem to love medicare. Says something about that program, hm?

We pay into Medicare for 42 years and then they tell us its going broke. If I pay 42 years I should be able to get something?

>>229205

Private insurance is profitable because they're jacking up premium rates on existing customers and dropping sick people from their books.

>>229210
medicare is welfare.
medicare is welfare.
welfare is not profitable, it's government mandated charity.

i don't mind paying for people who are too old to work, or are disabled and can't work. we've set that age limit at 65, senior fucking citizen. get social security, get medicare. and tbh, the way things are looking, we oughta be setting that age -back- to 70 or something. bump it up one year every 5 years or something. not because i hate people 65-69, but shit is becoming unsustainable.

>>229236
then by that logic we're all fucked, and nobody can afford to pay for health care.

>>229245

It's becoming unsustainable because the baby boomers are all retiring now. Good luck getting elected to any office if you say you want to up the age to even 65. You'll get chewed out by a grandma with no teeth (you might even like it, I guess).

>>229264

Yep. Time for single payer like Canada has.

>>229272
of course it'd never pass, just saying, at this rate, we're kinda screwed. people are living longer and saving less. simple as that.

>>229277
if we can't even pay for people over 65, how the fuck are we supposed to pay for everyone?

>>229272
In 1935 when Medicare started you had to be 65 to qualify, life expectancy was 62 for men, 63 for women.

Today life expectancy is 74/78 so Medicare would start at 76/80.