You'd think a nation that was pissed about being taxed, would not allow taxes. Wait, that's "taxation without representation?" And what's that? "People generally believe an elected body should construct important facets of our lives like school/education and protect us from those who we DO NOT put in power but still have it, like companies."

Rush is a pretty poor example of a libertarian i think.

>profiteered from the labor of others?

you mean the workers i thought they get paid too?

>mfw libertarians had overbearing parents who never trusted them to make their own mistakes and so they find an ideology with traction and decide it should be applied to massively complex economies

I'm poor because my stupid ex got a lawyer who took 90% of the settlement as payment for winning.

-My- lawyer had already taken 90% of my assets defending my case. When the settlement was decided, I had less than $1,000 in wealth to give her, and NO potential income.

Her lawyer was MAD!

>>2248569

Key word is profit.

There's a difference between what you "can" do and what you "should" do.

I think Freedom from religion and nepotistic leaders is one thing, but freedom from common sense, is this something we should advocate?

>>2248586

I left out a thought here. Men are free to be scum, but suppose a company that works like a democracy rather than a tyranny? Why would anyone with resources want to enter such a contract with their employees? Wait, someone who actually has the benefit of others at heart than just himself? Fascinating.

Freedom is an illusion when you have no choice other than to enter a parasitic relationship with a "capitalist"

Are you afraid the mean old libertarians will take away your welfare, your shitty public schools, and your unsustainable social security program?

why do people feel the need to troll libertarians on /g/, progressives/liberals won, they're a minority, we've fixed the US economy with keynesian economics after libertarian economics destroyed it, etc

we won, leave the libertards alone

>mfw Ron Paul is elected and libertarians have to work 80 hours just to afford living in a closed off community to protect themselves from the uneducated and violent masses in their wonderful dystopian future.

>>2248592

Some people shouldn't be left alone.

>2248601

>we've fixed the US economy with keynesian economics after libertarian economics destroyed it

>MFW

I

>>2248601

truth

>>2248615

>mfw the fundamental difference between all ideologies have more to do with human psychology and social behavior than economics or anything else

only sort of relevant

>>2248601
>>2248601
>>2248601
>>2248601

You had BETTER be trolling son!

There is absolutely no MFW pic to describe my face right now... Oh wait, there isss.

>>2248664

>implying money earned is money deserved

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What is capitalism?

Capitalism is private ownership of means of production.
Goal of capitalist economy is to eliminate all jobs and working class.
Capitalism is not about higher wages and higher standards of living for workers.
Capitalist economy doesn't need working class for consumer demand. Capitalists can spend as much as workers.
Wages must be as low as possible to ensure investment spending. Humans can't evolve as fast as machinery.
Capitalist society can be democratic if majority of population owns means of production while employing foreign workers(or no workers when means of production will become fully automated)
Worker can become capitalist if he saves money to create his own business. If capitalist society exists long enough then majority of people won't have to work hard to become capitalists, they will inherit means of production from their parents.
Capitalist deserves his wealth since he is a risk-taker and can lose all the money he invested.
Capitalism ensures fastest economic growth.

>>2248726

This fucking copypasta.

What happens during competition? When companies start to use money over actual value of product to take over? Ever hear of Starbucks? or Wal-Mart? Not everyone can be capitalists, there are more people than products that need to be made.

>In pre-capitalist economies, exploitation of the worker was achieved via physical coercion. In the capitalist mode of production, that result is more subtly achieved; because the worker does not own the means of production, he or she must voluntarily enter into an exploitive work relationship with a capitalist in order to earn the necessities of life. The worker's entry into such employment is voluntary in that he or she chooses which capitalist to work for. However, the worker must work or starve. Thus, exploitation is inevitable, and that the "voluntary" nature of a worker participating in a capitalist society is illusory.

1850: "Why should we care if black people might be humans too?"

2010: "Why should we try to abolish inequality?"

Because it sucks when you're on the wrong end. And compassionate people on the right end sympathize. People should be allowed to suffer for their folly but money is not indicative of this. A person with money can buy themselves out of jail time, just because they have made better fiscal decisions, does that mean they should be let out of suffering for their other decisions? This is inequality. And like OP says, kids who suffer should be allowed equality.

Fucking Libertarians move to India and live out your Caste system dreams.

>>2248741

>the worker must work or starve

I'm ok with this.

>>2248741
how do I wage slavery?

anyway the solution is obvious: workers control the means of production, democratically coming to decisions on the operation of their workplace
ditto the communities we live in

>>2248624
Fuck this system.

>>2248762

But it stunts human growth in other areas beyond innovation towards making a product that will "sell" rather than for their own motivation to do so. Someone must labor, right? Well luxury should be possible and attainable but not at the expense of others, where you MUST work to survive.

If you need money in order to do something worthwhile, then you're a shitty person to begin with.

>>2248767

Fact: Capitalism and Democracy are opposites.

>>2248741
>Not everyone can be capitalists, there are more people than products that need to be made.
>Worker can become capitalist if he saves money to create his own business. If capitalist society exists long enough then majority of people won't have to work hard to become capitalists, they will inherit means of production from their parents.

>>2248780

Believe it or not, people in Japan take pride in their work, which is why waiters don't accept tips.

Here on the other hand, waiters bitch and moan if you don't give them gratuity for DOING THEIR JOBS. I don't think their wage should ever be below minimum, if a owner wants to put that money down into the menu, GO AHEAD. I'm ending up paying for it anyways, I'd rather know what I'm dealing with AND get better service for the possibility of ACTUAL gratuity.

But no, in this culture, it's all about getting the most for doing the less. Classic nigger mentality is rampant throughout the US, niggerdom is just the blatant exposed wound of such a culture that whites try to hide.

It's sad that libertarians have divorced economics from culture.

>>2248787
>Fact: Capitalism and Democracy are opposites.
>Capitalist society can be democratic if majority of population owns means of production while employing foreign workers

>>2248811
>>2248811

>Worker can become capitalist if he saves money to create his own business.
>implying anyone with min. wage job has savings
>FACT: 80% of "millionaires" (incl. assets) are "self-made." 60% of whom came from poor families but got college degrees on federal grants and some scholarships

Also, it still doesn't disprove that there are more people than there are products to be made. What are you going to sell with your saved up funds? Coffee? Oh well, there's a shit ton of coffee shops on your block. Capitalists become diluted or monopolistic.

>>2248838
>implying anyone with min. wage job has savings
Work harder.

>>2248860
>Implying it's not possible to save money on a minimum wage job

You have the internet? You have a 40 inch tv? You buy cigarettes everyday? Stop buying some wants and save the money instead.

>>2248860
100 people out of work
10 jobs open up, everyone applies
90 people still have no job

did those 90 not work hard enough?

>>2248741
>Implying people shouldn't have to work to eat

So people should do nothing and be clothed, fed, and sheltered? Are you that much of a child that you're unable to take responsibility for yourself

In the "socialist" society you so badly want, everyone has to work and do their share or the community itself wouldn't survive.

>>2248946
There wouldn't be unemployment without minimal wage

>>2248980
That isn't the question I asked.

Libertarian arguments:
[x] Evade the question

>>2248980

lolwut? So everyone can be employed at $1/hr?

>>2248980
That's an idiotic extension.

Who buys shit? The people with no money?
The working poor really drive business and keep demand for consumer goods going.

>>2248980
that's hilarious.

good one, troll.

Yes - I am employed! I earn 35 cents an hour and work 120 hours a week and cannot afford gas to get to work or a place to live ... but hey -- I'm "employed"! Got a job!

>>2248976

loliknow right? People shouldn't be protected from murderers, oppressors, bigger, stronger people lol that's their GOD GIVEN RIGHT TO BE DICKS AMIRITE?

Second Bill of Rights is not THAT ridiculous

Wanna hear an oxymoron? Smart libertarian.

>>2248999
>>2248726
>Capitalist economy doesn't need working class for consumer demand. Capitalists can spend as much as workers.
>Capitalist economy doesn't need working class for consumer demand. Capitalists can spend as much as workers.
>Capitalist economy doesn't need working class for consumer demand. Capitalists can spend as much as workers.
>Capitalist economy doesn't need working class for consumer demand. Capitalists can spend as much as workers.
>Capitalist economy doesn't need working class for consumer demand. Capitalists can spend as much as workers.
>Capitalist economy doesn't need working class for consumer demand. Capitalists can spend as much as workers.

>>2249015
How much shit can 10% of the population consume?
Corporations want sales of millions of units, not thousands. They'd just close and nobody would be working.

>>2249015
I laughed.

>>2249019
They will sell thousands of very expensive units.

>>2249031
If McDonalds jacked their Big Mac prices to $750, they'd still sell a lot I'm sure. People with money are obviously idiots.

>>2249019
They have the means to buy millions of units because they have the capital to do so.

>>2249015

Basically everyone owns the rights to products, runs their own marketing committee. Human beings exist to market their product to each other.

>>2249019
They want millions because they know millions of working class consumers exist.

If only the thousands of capitalist consumed products they adjust production rates (and costs) and not close down. Argument failed.

>>2249037
Fast-food becomes fine-dining.

Helooooo, Demolition Man.

>>2249050
They also wouldn't need as many workers to produce less.

Where's this full employment come from? Ragpickers?

>>2249046
It's been this way since the days of the fisherman trading fish to the farmer for grains. Liberals just don't want to admit it.

>>2249037
>If McDonalds jacked their Big Mac prices to $750, they'd still sell a lot I'm sure. People with money are obviously idiots.
No, Bic Mac won't be expensive, but capitalist will spend his money on ferrari, yachts, private jets, private islands, etc.

>>2249050

>doesn't understand volume
>an entire McDonalds for every capatlist

>>2249004
Workers have the ability to unify and quit if their corporation abuses them. No workers = no production.

>>2249045

Yes, but since they are the only ones with $$, we jack up the price of everything to compensate for their wealth.

You just don't get it, every third world nation has huge wealth disparities. Why shouldn't we? It's only fair.

>mfw the rich spend money on ferraris, yachts other FOREIGN goods, circulate money through upper middle class

Circulation of money in the US almost non-existent.

>mfw conservatives hate Obama for punishing corporations for outsourcing

>>2249075

...unless they get another country to use slavery to produce their goods, then smuggle them into the country illegally.

>>2249075

>corporations pick up desperately unemployed

Remember lockouts and picketing lines?

>>2249075
>Capitalist society can be democratic if majority of population owns means of production while employing foreign workers(or no workers when means of production will become fully automated)

>>2249075
>Implying the capitalist wouldn't pay an engineer to create an automated means of production to eliminate the need of the worker.

The worker is a means to the end. It is not the end in itself. For every person unwilling to do a job, someone else is there waiting to take that job. So go ahead and bitch and moan, someone else will get off their ass and go make their money while you sit around waiting for life to get better.

>>2249075
Who needs production if you don't need many units?
It only takes a handful of people to unload and transport goods if you only have to deal with one or two cargo ships a week.

>>2249063
Those newly unemployed workers now go
>>2248838
Start their own business

The problem with libertarian is that in the end, it's nothing more than promoting Social Darwinism.

But, a social libertarianism is fine too.

>>2249112
Social Darwinism is good

>>2249104
Selling to who, the people who already have all existing companies selling to them? How do you afford to start a business and eat while trying reach profitability when you've been working for pennies?

That's like someone working at a company labor camp deciding to start a competitive business using company scrip.

>>2249163
Buy shares

>>2249140

>says the cricket to the ant

>>2249172
Actually, the cricket was sleeping because it was up parting all night.

The ant still says "If you don't work, you can't drink Aphid-Butt-Soda."

>>2249202

>implying the cricket didn't just kill the ant and eat his shit anyways

That's irl Darwinism called Natural Selection, parasites are verrrry successful in NS did you know that?

I used "ant" and "cricket" exactly with that story in mind.

>>2249216

This is brilliant.

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