Tis what happens when incompetent people are put in positions of power.

Like, yaknow, Bush.

Also heads will roll for this.

amba lamps

This happened because the government introduced competitiveness and targets in to the health system.

>dailymail.co.uk

I remember when my aunt died in Cuba. She was sick for days before anyone helped her get there, and when they did, she died on a bare mattress because there were no pillows or blankets left.

I'm not saying it's entirely the socialist society's fault, since Cuba has pretty much been isolated from the world for 50 years now (well, the part of the world that matters). I'm just saying that it's pretty fucking terrible.

>>217392
you act like all presidents won't be a horrible piece of shit who helps no one.

>>217399

This happened because the government socialized healthcare and bankrupted themselves and the people

THANKS SOCIALISM

>>217418
It's worked brilliantly for the last sixty years

>>217425

>completely ignores op's post like the ignorant fucktard liberal he is

>>217425
I consider my self left-leaning and I'm pro public healthcare,even coexisting with private alternatives,like in europe.that said,I think Sicko was a shit tier propaganda movie and Moore deserves to get exiled to NK for making liberals look bad

lol liberals

This is peanuts compared to the amount of people who die needlessly in America who cannot afford healthcare.

>>217443
Wow, one hospital in which this happened because of moronic competition inciting

>>217492
>>217503

>>217492

>people who die needlessly in America who cannot afford healthcare.

sauce?

>>217539
HURR DURR SICKO

>>217541

LOL, a movie by a leftist propagandists isn't proof, get real evidence, anyone can edit movies.

>>217541
HURR DURR PROPAGANDA

>>217492
lol no you lying lib fag

>>217492

As opposed to amount people in the UK who die needlessly due to long wait lines?

What about that Canadian that's coming down to the US for heart surgery? He said the wait lines in Canada's socialized healthcare system were too long.

Fucking liberal faggot.

>>217539
>sauce?

do you seriously need a source to make you believe that people die due to lack of healthcare?

Are you a moron?

just like Global warming all the numbers are fixed and its pretty much bullshit

old people are burden to the society

admit it that you do not want to care for your parents, you don't have to pretend to talk moral because I know you are faking your moral stance

try to think of a way to eliminate all old people

>>217565

long waiting lines only affect people who don't need urgent care you retard

>>217565
>As opposed to amount people in the UK who die needlessly due to long wait lines?
Again, peanuts.
>What about that Canadian that's coming down to the US for heart surgery? He said the wait lines in Canada's socialized healthcare system were too long.
nice unrelated glenn beck quote there

>>217576
free healthcare is fucking everywhere in america, you just need to not be a complete dumbass so you can learn to get it. Three free clinics in my city, most you pay for is about 3 bucks for your Rx. Also, no ER can turn you away in the US. If you have cancer, places like the john huntsman cancer center provide care if you can't afford it.

>>217576
back up your Bullshit

YES its the fundamental of being taken seriously

>>217592

What about that Canadian government official that's coming down to the US for heart surgery?

He cited, LONG WAIT LINES.

no one in america dies of lack of care

thats fucking myth

the laws say a hospital must help you if you go to them for care

fuck of socialist liars

>>217592
You'd be surprised what doesn't count as "urgent care"

>>217601
>>217606
http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE58G6W520090917

quick google search

is havard good enough for you?

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/life_and_style/health/article7039285.ece

>>217608

No I wouldn't, I'm British, I know people who decide what counts as what. It is their job. I'm very aware.

For example, you wont get put on a waiting list for chemo, cancer might be considered a pre-existing condition in the US though.

americans sure are getting told itt

>>217611
>Some critics called the study flawed.

>The National Center for Policy Analysis, a Washington think tank that backs a free-market approach to health care, said researchers overstated the death risk and did not track how long subjects were uninsured.

also they say heart diseases and diabetes were the leading causes

well maybe they should eat better and stop all the drinking and smoking

>>217611
correlation does not equal causation.

Overall, researchers said American adults age 64 and younger who lack health insurance have a 40 percent higher risk of death than those who have coverage.

All you can judge from this study is if you're younger than 64 and don't have insurance you are more likely to die.

I'd like to point out here, that if you don't have insurance, you're likely not living a straight and narrow lifestyle. not saying that lifestyle is the best for everyone, but they need to look at how the people without insurance are living, are they doing more drugs, are they living in more dangerous areas, are they abusing their bodies more (smoking, drinking, drug abuse).

>>217601

not only is it basic logic, but you'd have to live under a rock to not have heard of a case of it, you might as well ask for a source that proves the sky is blue. Do your own research retard. Its not my job to educate you.

>>217628
you must have posted in the wrong thread?

>>217634
Americans? Eat better?

Ahaha

>>217640
>makes arguments that even a third grader would not make since they are so moronic

>>217649
FREEEEEEEEDDOOOOOOOOOM

>>217634
>a Washington think tank that backs a free-market approach to health care
you really that think a criticism by an openly biased organisation discredits the whole study?

ffs america

>>217650
You're right, not even a third grader would expect someone on 4chan to have basic knowledge of a case they are arguing.

>government takes over health care, you can no longer get reparations in lawsuits fpr malpractice

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

But the families of those who died or suffered poor care branded the inquiry a “whitewash” and repeated calls for a full public investigation. The Conservatives accused ministers of trying to blame managers rather than taking responsibility for problems with national targets.

Julie Bailey, who founded the victims’ campaign group Cure the NHS after her mother died at Stafford Hospital, said that the handling of the scandal was disgraceful and unacceptable.

“It is time that the public were told the truth about the very large number of excess deaths in NHS care and the very large number of avoidable but deadly errors that occur every day.”

I love the fact that Americans use this as an argument for private healthcare, whereas in britain its used as an argument for increased funding and investment.

also

>dailymail

lol

>>217696
are the facts wrong?

no

you go lol daily mail cause the facts disrupt your shitty moronic worldview

>>217696
in America we dont need to talk about increased funding as we have the best care in the world.

increase funding = higher taxes

>>217705

no, I say lol dailymail because they repeatedly misrepresent facts in the name of controversy and fearmongering. Citing the dailymail is the equivalent of citing a scared old drunk woman, facts or no.

>>217712

but you don't, its been proven multiple times that America does not have the best healthcare in the world. If there was any candidate it would most likely be japan, france or some other such country. Definitely not America.

Reminder that mid staffordshire isn't even the entirety of this small red patch

LOL AT IDIOTS THINKING LACK OF HEALTHCARE CAN KILL YOU. NAME ONE SOURCE WHERE THE LACK OF HEALTHCARE KILLS YOU. LACK OF HEALTHCARE DOES NOT PUT A GUN TO YOUR HEAD AND SHOOT YOU, IT DOES NOT GIVE YOU A DISEASE, IT DOES NOT MAKE YOU SMOKE, IT DOES NOT MAKE YOU DRINK, IT DOES NOT MAKE YOU ABUSE DRUGS, IT DOES NOT MAKE YOU INHALE HARMFUL CHEMICALS, IT DOES NOT MAKE YOU DRINK YOUR SOFT DRINKS AND EAT YOUR FRENCH FIRES, IT DOES NOT MAKE YOU SKIP EXERCISING, IT DOES NOT CONTROL YOUR SHITTY DIET, IT DOES NOT MAKE YOU PREGNANT, IT DOES NOT CUT YOU, IT DOES NOT MAKE YOU DO RETARDED SHIT THAT INJURES YOUR LIFE, IT DOES NOT MAKE YOU DRIVE OR WRECK A CAR, IT DOES NOT MAKE YOU TEXT WHILE DRIVING, IT DOES NOT SEND EARTHQUAKES, HURRICANES, FIRES, VOLCANOES, TORNADOES, FLOODS, OR TSUNAMIS TO KILL YOU . LACK OF HEALTHCARE CANNOT KILL YOU BY DEFINITION.

>>217813

No one says that lack of healthcare kills people.

They say that people die due to lack of healthcare, which is true.

Nice job looking like an idiot though.

>>217813
Yes it can,
http://translate.google.com.br/translate?js=y&prev=_t&hl=pt-BR&ie=UTF-8&layout=1&
;eotf=1&u=http://www.portalhoje.com/doentes-do-ma-morrem-por-falta-de-atendimento-em-hospitais-d
o-pi/1429326&sl=pt&tl=en

>>217828
NO, PEOPLE DO NOT DIE FROM LACK OF HEALTHCARE SINCE LACK OF HEALTHCARE DOES NOT KILL.

PEOPLE CANNOT DIE FROM SOMETHING THAT CANNOT KILL THEM.

>>217851

yes they can you retard. A person can die because you didn't help them. Die doesn't imply an active action like kill does. Stop playing semantics, you aren't good at it.

>>217851
>Thinks doctors can't kill you at will.

>>218000

Don't be so anti-semantic

http://www.injuryboard.com/national-news/woman-injured-by.aspx?googleid=27074

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/03/12/health/main679757.shtml

Let me know when a british patient gets swarmed with insects.