Charts emphasizing China's rise

CHINA WILL GROW LARGER

China's economy is still about 7 times smaller than the United States.

This is like telling Kobe to step aside because some 1st grader has had some awesome YMCA rec-league game.

We won't step aside till China proves itself.

>>2146023
it most likely produced every little shits that is in your house

enjoy

>>2146015
DA MIDDULE KEENGDAM

>>2146032
And this is a fucking disgrace. We should be campaigning for tariffs on imported goods.

>>2146023
>China's economy is still about 7 times smaller than the United States.

GDP (PPP)
=================
China = $ 8.8 Trillion
US = $ 14.3 Trillion

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_(PPP)

If China grows at 10+% a year will the US grows at 1-3% a year, in terms of GDP (PPP) China would surpass the US by 2019

>>2146045
>Implying Americans arent the disgrace when they cannot compete and create goods palatable to American tastes to the point where foreign competitors can act freely
Your calling for a cheap tactic like tariffs just highlights how far the industrial capacity of America has fallen.

OP, the front page of http://www.ft.com/home/us
is all about the big American businesses like Google and Intel.

China is like 4th compared to the USA.
Chinks are at their propaganda again.

CHINKY CHONG U DUMB KONG U WRONG

Richfag elites sold the future of the country down the river to open up cheap fucking factories in Mexico, and then when Mexicans wanted to get paid too much they just shipped the jobs to China and India.

US industrial capacity collapsed because the richfags DO NOT CARE about any country.

>>2146074
The problem is that China has not reciprocated in allowing US firms free access to Chinese markets.

Since China practices protectionism and mercantilism, the US ought to do the same. It's only correct.

>>2146099
>http://www.ft.com/home/us

Going to the frontpage of the Financial Times US website should give you information about US companies since you are going to the US FT website

>http://www.ft.com/home/us
>home/us
>us

>>2146074
Spare me. China used and continues to use dirt-cheap labor to undercut the manufacturing capacity of the rest of the world. The US 'can't compete' because in the US workers are paid decent wages and are limited in the number of hours they can work, and because businesses have to spend money following safety regulations and providing at least some benefits for their workers' retirements.

I refuse to allow the working class in the United States to degrade to third world conditions just to become 'competitive' again.

Because China taxes all Japanese, German, American imports.

Yet US doesn't tariff Chinese imports.
>Americans are owned by China so they can't.

I can't wait to see a Greater East Asia Co-Prosperity Sphere that dwarfs the US and EU in economy, military, and science.

>>2146129
>Implying that American (And western european) economic privilege wasnt BOUGHT IN BLOOD by third-world-like slave labor conditions generations ago
>Implying the Chinese aren't paying their pounds of flesh in order to come into their own
Cry more.

No japan! Don't! Selling property to Chinese is the worst decision your government can make. Look at ausfailia. My gvernment opened the property market to foreign investors and all the good homes were bought up by Chinese and indians. The law was they were allowed one home and it had to be main residence in the country, but many bought many properties, most in the same street and try are now vacant because the buyers have gone back home. This has pushed the average 3 room home from $130,000 AUD in the suburbs to $550,000AUD - and that's not anywhere close to the city.
If anything, let other foreigners buy property like all the English teachers an workers who are married and actually living / workin in japan to have property

Saying China will surpass the US is a bit of a stretch, and their economy is beginning to slow down rapidly. If it were to happen, it would have to happen many years into the future.

Frankly, if the US became second, maybe the world would quit blaming all their problems on them. I don't see how that could possibly be a bad thing overall.

Maybe the extremist groups will try their attention whoring tactics against them, in which case they will win a free glassing absolutely free, complements of the PR "we take shit from no-one" C.

>>2146166
It was wrong then, and it's wrong now. If I have my way- and hopefully I WILL- the United States will no longer be party to the race to the bottom in wages and working conditions.

If that means leaving the global economy, so be it.

>>2146150
Will never happen

If asians hate anything else, it's other asians. The entire continent has NEVER been stable. Where we are at right now is as stable as it has ever been in thousands and thousands of years. Nor will it ever will be more stable than it is right now ever again.

>>2146166
The problem is that this is beginning to degrade OUR living standards too.

The worst nightmares of "Yellow Peril" scaremongers is coming true as we speak.

Eventually, living standards in the US will be as low as in China, and our republican system of government and our whole way of life will fail.

well to be fair china has A LOT more people
and that's not fair
when i'm communist dictator of the world i will dictate that each country have 100 million people
no less no more
any excess will be redistributed to countries that have fewer than 100 million inhabitants
that means at least one of you fuckers reading this will end up in moldova
pray that it is not you

>>2146180
>Look at ausfailia.

LOL @ aussies complaining about China when China is the SOLE reason why Australia is prospering while the rest of the 'Western' world is faltering

AUS Exports - partners:
China 21.81%, Japan 19.19%, South Korea 7.88%

AUS Imports - partners
China 17.94%, US 11.26%, Japan 8.36%

CIA Fact book
https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/as.html

http://www.singularity2050.com/2008/06/why-the-us-will-still-be-the-only-superpower-in-2030-v20.html

>>2146166
>Implying the Chinese aren't paying their pounds of flesh in order to come into their own

1.4 billion people can't all 'come to their own', you would need either a super elite middle class followed by a preposterously large lower class or a juggernaut of an economy that is many times larger than the US economy is now.

Neither case seems likely.

>>2146249
Without US's military they aren't considered a super power.

The standard of living in the US is horrible. Now there are places in China and South Korea that exceed it.

http://www.newsweek.com/2010/08/15/interactive-infographic-of-the-worlds-best-countries.html
http://www.newsweek.com/2010/08/15/interactive-infographic-of-the-worlds-best-countries.html
http://www.newsweek.com/2010/08/15/interactive-infographic-of-the-worlds-best-countries.html

>>2146209
Europeans have been killing each other as recently as the Eastern European wars in the 90s. Western Europe only stopped fighting each other last century. Asians will easily put their differences aside due to economic reasons and having a common rival (the rest of the world).

>>2146268
>The standard of living in the US is horrible.

Lolwut, you should just stop there while you're behind, chicom.

>Now there are places in China and South Korea that exceed it.

Kind of want to laugh but I know you're going to start posting pictures of the mansions of millionaires and saying "THIS IS HOW AVERAGE CHINESE LIVE, HAIL CHINA". In which case it will become a picture war of people posting split-line apartment complexes that fall over in heavy wind vs communist-party mansions.

>>2146281
>Proud Asian Supremacist without a tripcode

Holy shit you're back.

I guess next we need to get Athens in here to have an oldskool /n/ circlejerk.

>>2146212
Well, heck. When economists said this shit wasnt a zero-sum game, I hoped they meant only partially.

Sure, our living standards may very well fall. As low as China's? Hard to tell.
But shouldn't that just hint to a country's domestic unsustainability if they can't maintain a certain standard after *foreign*
At the turn of the century with world trade being limited to like America and Europe, we were good having somewhat native industry because we were still building a standard of living and any trade imbalances wouldn't spill between US and Europe because they were both on similar developmental standards.

After the World Wars our standards got to the point where we couldn't rely on native industry because we want that much more. So we look to other places. Economic hegemony when generations before Europeans sought physical hegemony during the colonial period to achieve greater wealth.

So now in the 21st century China needs to pull itself up like the West did and hey look there's Africa and SE Asia with resources and ooh a bunch of Americans for a market!!
Is it the Chinese' fault that their exports might well shrink and thus mess Americans because their own domestic demand and economic standard is growing?

>>2146281
You assume the United States is incapable of doing the same. If the entire rest of the world is buddying up, the US is more than capable of forming some kind of strategic and economic union- certainly with Canada, and perhaps with the major nations of South America, too.

And no, I don't think China would be able to dissuade the South American nations. No matter how many connections they've attempted to make there, the US is much closer and much more convenient as a partner; China is an ocean away.

>>2146254
>Super elite middle class

I can't speak for demographics but the domestic market of China itself seems to be growing healthily. If trade imbalance starts to even out, China's industrial might still can service growing domestic demand during the adjustment period.
And one has to wonder where that growing domestic demand is coming from.

Give it time. Might take a generation or so. But it'll come.

>>2146137
I'm a progressive but even I believe that protectionism is retarded.

Petty, envious chinks in the world. I guess I'm going to have to make it clear to the chinks living in my town to get out. Their espionage is not welcome here.

Now I'm going to watch The Expendables (2010), an American movie.

>>2146301
>After the World Wars our standards got to the point where we couldn't rely on native industry because we want that much more.

Oh, BULLSHIT. What utter fucking bullshit. Given the raw materials, the United States has enough laborers within its own population to produce everything its citizens might need.

Don't forget, the US is the third most populous country on Earth, with almost 350 million people. It has enough workers to be industrially self-sufficient. And they also happen to consistently be rated as the MOST PRODUCTIVE workers in the world.

Americans are REALLY GOOD at working.

>>2146320
Then you're still a filthy free trader, which ultimately means you're anti-workers' rights.

I should've never been nice to these backstabbing chinks and allowing them to come to America.

Australian here.

I welcome our new Chinese overlords and look forward to more hot international students and demand for our commodities. We'll have a thriving economy that doesn't pollute our backyard and still be impervious to irresponsible yank fuckups.

>>2146301
FUCK that line should read
>But shouldn't that just hint to a country's domestic unsustainability if they can't maintain a certain standard if *foreign* developments affect it's own nation's economic situation so badly

>>2146328
i'm pretty sure north americans won't work for 1 dollar a day

>>2146342
naive much?

>>2146328
Sure. You can build it natively. You can build the same stuff the Chinese or Indians could.

For a ten dollar premium on something like a pack of batteries.

So what if you have 350 million people that could potentially work 7.50 an hour? What can one American do for 7.50USD that, like, ten Chinese can't? And do more of? For equal or less money?


Americans want more. For less.
Welcome to Wal-Mart! Can i interest you in some 2 dollar flipflops?

>>2146342
no one cared after they saw "australian faggot here"
australia's new slogan; we're like canada, no one cares

>>2146311
>If trade imbalance starts to even out, China's industrial might still can service growing domestic demand during the adjustment period.

That is such a far-fetched supposition that completely ignores all the other factors.

For that to happen, it's currency would have to balance back out, which opens an entire range of uncertainty. It just isn't possible to say "This is CERTAIN to happen in the next generation or so" in this economy.

>Give it time. Might take a generation or so. But it'll come.

That's not something to be proud of. A super elite middle class would mean a crushingly-poor lower class still slaving away in non-unionized factories working for fractions of pennies.

>>2146342
>Chinese
>not pollute

This is what happens when Americans consume and consume without inventing shit and manufacturing shit.

Fat American hicks are now becoming more and more poor!

>>2146383

That's right. Not pollute. We make our money of mining and agriculture. We have little manufacture, refinement, fabrication etc. to speak of. The Chinese can do.

>>2146388
>I'm running out of arguments, the thread has turned against me!
>Time for good old fashioned ad-hominems!

And that concludes today's Chicom thread. I await for you to delete it and remake the same thread in the next hour.

>>2146378
Now you're beginning to understand.

We want to pay Americans decent wages and have them work in safe factories.

This costs more money. This translates into more expensive products.

Meanwhile, countries like China, where workers work in sweatshops and are paid next to nothing, can churn out very cheap products.

Something has to give.

So, what we do is, we make the cheap foreign products as expensive, or more expensive, than the domestically manufactured products.

This is what tariffs are for.

This thread is full of liberals.
>implying a REAL AMERICANS will bend over and work for Chinese wages

How about we give you a FREE AMERICAN NUKE ching-chongs! Delivered by air mail straight to the Commie Emperor's Palace!!

>>2146388
>>2146383
we don't want to manufacture here because it makes the air dirty! let china do it!

>>2146404
>I'm running out of arguments, the thread has turned against me!
Uhhh that post's language suggests someone that just came into the thread

>>2146342
>I welcome our new Chinese overlords and look forward to more hot international students and demand for our commodities.

>Implying that the Chinese won't strong-arm Australia into giving away its resources for a pittance

>Implying that those hot international students will be interested in you sexually when your nation becomes effectively a Chinese tributary, in which ethnic Chinese become the socially and economically dominant group - not you

>>2146415
I've been in this thread for a while just like I'm in most of your Chicom threads.

Here's the pattern

-Post Pro-Asian/China statement based in some kind of truth
-People post remarks, sources, and statements also based in truth
-Chicom now starts posting suppositions and "what if" scenarios based in nonsense
-Chicom's arguments start getting hammered into the ground.
-This continues for a while until it turns into full-blown insult slinging ("well hurr hurr ur gay ur just a gay fat amerikkkkkunt with shit for brains while you eat your own mcshit in your shit while you shit, you are white and ARE SHIT")
-Chicom gets angry and deletes thread
-Tries to stimulate crushed self-esteem by creating another thread later

We do this every single night. Nothing has changed. It's becoming time to just stopping half-way while there is still good discussion.

>>2146406
>Something has to give.
You bet.
But you'll have to live with a much more slowly growing economy, with less products bought because there's less one can buy with X amount of money now.

Is sacrificing economic growth for better wages necessarily a bad thing? Of course not.

But i just hope you dont make assumption that tariffs will be some magic bullet that can give all that is good to Americans without a trade off that hurts us. Or the world, for that matter.

>>2146342
I hope you're a woman or a faggot because, due to the "one child" policy in China and the fact that women are not valued in Chinese society, the Chinese are now almost entirely male.

So your country is going to be flooded by Chinese dudes looking for foreign girls to marry because there aren't any back home.

>>2146416

We're not a 3rd world cash crop farm that's easily fucked over. We've built up a good infrastructure to be self-sufficient like Norway (we also do just as good on those quality of... charts.) Remember that commodity prices are rising anyway and China doesn't seem to give a shit about anything other than an industrial economy which will eventually become a post-industrial one like America (but with much better infrastructure.) They're going to soar for a while and take us for the ride and then they'll eventually cash in their US currency bonds, strengthen the Yuan and HOPEFULLY put an end to those accursed shitty US dollars being the global currency.

I hope the BRIC and the SCO succeed. Global stability sounds alright.

And yes... two of those hot international students have been interested in me ;)

>>2146468
So wait, China's up and coming generation, the generation that will grow up in the modern, superpower China, is going to be full of sexually frustrated young men?

THAT can't be good.

>>2146455
>Most of your Chicom threads
I'm not OP.
I dont even know what Chicom means. I had to Google it. I'm Chinese-Communist? There are no Chinese communists anymore. Except in the rural west. And they are usually of the Maoist/cultist variety that coastal Chinese look as quaint - a tourist attraction.

>>2146468

I'm a bisexual guy and I find Asian guys pretty cute. But I've only been with the women.

>>2146473
BRIC won't make any sense once China surpasses the US. When they're the biggest economy in the world why would they want to associate with what they deem also-rans?

Plus, they'll see India as competition. Brazil could possibly be lured into a closer alliance with the United States if the CIA would just stop dicking around in South America.

China is a paper tiger. They severely inflate and outright lie about their GDP and economic growth. Look at their military for one, they can't even beat Russia in terms of equipment.

>>2146477
Yeah. I have a friend who actually thinks that China might see a mass uprising from the sheer number of single young men who feel screwed over by the CCP's One Child law.

>>2146485
Chicom is slang for asian immigrants and plants who spend all of their time trolling boards for their home country to fellate their dying self-esteem by saying that they are important because they are related to X country.

It's why pretty much any Asian politics message board is nigh-unreadable.

>>2146500
Angry young men are always at the forefront of social and political change.

>>2146493
>BRIC won't make any sense once China surpasses the US

And when I get jetpacks that can cheaply fly me anywhere I wish, walking won't make much sense either.

>>2146473
>And yes... two of those hot international students have been interested in me ;)

You, maybe. But picture Australia 50 or 100 years from now, when the US is a shitty Third World country, and Australia is completely dominated by the Chinese. Why would any Chinese immigrant want to associate themselves with a member of the future Australian underclass?

>>2146493

China alone doesn't need to. Hence BRIC. Four (five is South Africa joins) of the fastest growing economies cutting out the middleman that constantly devalues their output.

The funny thing is... for all the people who diss China for being communist in name only... this seems to have all the makings of a Marx type proletariat solution on a global scale.

>>2146518
This is why no one wants to participate in your threads, Chicom.

Eventually you just quit wanting to talk sense and facts. It just becomes mud-slinging.

I can't possibly picture what makes you come onto /new/ every night and get so angry. It's like the last half of every one of your threads is just one big 'u mad.jpg'.

Hate to break it to you slant eyes, but America always wins at everything.

>>2146545
here

Wut, you're calling ME a "ChiCom"?

I'm an Australian nativist opposed to Asian - especially Chinese - immigration to Australia.

I was responding to that shallow faggot who thinks that Chinese immigration to Australia is good because herp derp hot Azn babes.

My point was that that's fine now, but in future - when we are dominated politically and economically - Chinese and other immigrant women are unlikely to be interested in Australian men, since we will effectively become just one of many underclasses.

>>2146561
CORRECTION: >>2146518 here

>>2146561
>I'm an Australian nativist opposed to Asian - especially Chinese - immigration to Australia.

Well, my mistake. It's hard to tell on an anonymous imageboard.

Impoverished China, poor citizens upset at unemployment and lower living conditions in the world.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vE3vFT68TJ8

OP is an idiot

>>2146530
Dude, the Russian economy's not growing all that fast.

The BRIC is held together only by their desire to assert themselves apart from the US economic hegemony. When the US no longer has that, the BRIC will go their separate ways.

>>2146518

What would we have to do with US? You guys will be the ones picking up the pieces of your debt. We'll be floating on the BRIC just like when we avoided the global financial crisis.

And funnily enough... I'm much lower on the socio-economic scale than the girls I dated. It goes without saying that they're pretty well off if they can afford study abroad, inner-city accommodation, EVERY FUCKING WEEKEND AT THE CASINO etc.

The Chinese economy is probably going to collapse anyway. Hell, the Chinese are actually considering letting their currency float.

And, before anyone says it, no, the fact that China has a bunch of factories does not mean they're immune to economic collapse.

>>2146615
When the US is out of the picture, China will demand active demonstrations of submission from all its future vassals, including Australia.

China has never been happy with the Westphalian system in which all nations are diplomatic - if not de facto - equals.

>>2146615
>I'm much lower on the socio-economic scale than the girls I dated.

True, but putting it frankly, Westerners - especially white Westerners - still collectively enjoy a great deal prestige among Asians and other non-whites, even though our greatest days are behind us. This is the true reason - besides wealth - that explains why it is so easy for white Westerners to find mates among Asian and other non-white women.

In a few decades, this will doubtlessly no longer be the case.

>>2146630
They're NOT?
Shit had the Brits followed their own shit it'd have helped the Chinkanese a whole lot during the Opium Wars...

What happened when Chinese economy surpasses Japanese economy? Nothing! Japan didn't sink into sea. They are there, happily living and struggling to get better and better.

What will happen when China will surpass USA economy in 2025? Nothing! USA will remain as a superpower as it is now.

I have news for you, CHINKS:

NO ONE WANTS TO LIVE IN ASIA.

EVERYONE WANTS OUT.

YOU ARE SICK FREAKS.

>>2146655
You are really scared. Calm down buddy.

>>2146592

Of course the workers are upset. It wasn't supposed to be like that. China's plans to become a post-industrial economy were hampered because the shitty US had to continue being stupid fucks starting wars and devaluing their dollar. China never wanted to "buy the US out from under them" or whatever. They wanted to keep their currency weak so the US kept buying their goods while investing in the US dollar which they thought would payoff when they'd built up enough infrastructure (high-speed rails etc.) to allow for that. But it didn't. You assholes all point the finger at China for exploiting their workers but they have no other choice. You're the ones who didn't have to go to war. And don't use oil as an excuse either because you got fuck all out of it. You'd have gotten more oil if you'd dropped sanctions on Iraq in the 90s.

At least the Chinese run their own country. America will plummet it's overall prosperity so that Ritchie Rich at the top will make a few more bucks.

>>2146608
In particular, I think Brazil will take one look at what China's doing to Africa and back the fuck away. They've been fucked over more than once by imperialist and mercantilist powers. They're not letting it happen again.

>>2146615
>We'll be floating on the BRIC just like when we avoided the global financial crisis.

China will demand access to your resources at the lowest possible price. Since your country is too weak and small to defend itself, you will be easily strong-armed into doing so by the threat of force once stripped of US protection.

In short, Australia will be like PNG or any other exploitable! country that makes a living exporting primary resources for peanuts.

And what happens when Chinese overpopulation takes its toll? What happens when Western powers move all industry away from China and into India or the homeland like what's happening now?
China's gonna collapse in twenty years, and most of its population will starve unless they get their shit together.

Asia doesn't need America? Then I'll be kicking all the asian students off of campus.
They can go find prosperity in China, then.

To hell with you anti-American chinks. I tried to be tolerant but you will have none of it.

ITT: Western fear and hatred as we realize that we are done.

Let's enjoy our shitty totalitarian chink future.

I heard that China is investing heavily in Africa. Is China feeding Africans to build a strong African brute army that may not have good intelligence but will follow orders? Then China can use that African mercenaries army to do anything for it, including invasions and bullying the world. Could it ever be true in next 50 years?

Google, Microsoft, Intel, Youtube, and Apple are better than anything your Chinese rice bowl could produce.
America is the leader of success in the 20th and 21st centuries and you are the followers.

Worst Korea is going to be fucked so bad by the Chinese.

That's all I have to say.

>>2146733
Keep dreaming. chinks are power hungry tyrants who will lose the business partnership with America and fall back down.
Even chinks hate being in china.

>>2146649

Nah. Don't delude yourself. Just because some westerners are good scoring doesn't mean you are. The fact that I think this way probably had the most to do with it. And the fact that I wasn't an obvious yellow fever dickhead like some of my mates helped. I treated them as humans and they treated me as one.

>>2146743
All of your laptops, your iPhones, PS3, XBox 360 is made in Chinese factories by Chinese workers. We got enough experience that soon we'll be producing similar but cheaper products because we are not interested to have 500% to 1000% profits like USA's Jews corporates do.

What world is going to purchase? A laptop made in China but prices $2500 or same laptop but Chinese brand made by same factory and same workers for only $500?

China is the biggest bubble in the history of the world. Much of the capital that's fled the US and Europe in the recession has gone there because it's supposedly a sure bet, but the money is just going down a black hole of corruption and waste.

When the bubble bursts, and it will, the whole world is going to shake and China is going to be plunged into a new dark age. The Japanese people accepted their bubble burst with the stoicism and acceptance that only they can pull off. The Chinese are going to chimp the fuck out when they realize how badly they've been had.

>>2146776
>And the fact that I wasn't an obvious yellow fever dickhead like some of my mates helped. I treated them as humans and they treated me as one.

Women care about status. It's why they don't date homeless people.

>>2146783
I would hope they'd buy a laptop made in the United States, actually.

>>2146708

Lolno. World commodity prices are rising fucknuts. We can just as easily cut them off either build start our own supplementary industry (which we won't need much for considering our infrastructure is already in place) or trade with someone else. Remember that the difference between us and cash-crop third world countries is that we're self-sufficient.

>>2146710

China is already stemming it's population with it's one-child policy. Once it becomes a post-industrial economy, people won't feel the need to reproduce like rabbits. Neo-Mathusianism is bullshit.

>>2146743

They're all software companies brah. And China have their own software that the west are shitting their pants over. You know how Google pulled out of China? That wasn't because OMG their conscience weighed too heavily on them and they didn't want to censor blah blah blah. It was because Baidu was proving a worthy rival and they wanted an edge by having FREE UNCENSORED DEMOCRATIC SEARCH VERY GOOD hosted in Hong Kong.

Still... Foxconn are the ones making the hardware that runs it. China is simply becoming the new Japan. If you talk to your parents or grandparents... they'll tell you that there was a time when "Made in Japan" meant low quality throwaway crap with cheapness being it's only grace. China have been getting out of that.

YouTube is also a failure as an actual revenue stream.

And given the Chinese proclivity for practicality and piracy... commercial software might not even matter in their world. Which is fine by me. Open source all the way.

>>2146753
Of course chinks hate being in China. Just the same as you wouldn't want to live in a house that's still being built.

>>2146849

I'd argue that Japan's economic collapse was due to them being overly capitalistic. Banks giving out a bunch of loans while the Japs did what they do best, throw shit at the wall until something sticks and then go full at it. Only not enough shit stuck and they had a problem with debt. And then they stopped lending altogether and exacerbated the problem greatly by being HURR frugal yamato faggots.

I don't really see China having that problem. Though I guess they did make a very huge mistake in investing in the US dollar.

>>2146851
>mfw I crashed at my girl, Wency's apartment for two weeks because I was homeless.

If you Westerners don't like what we asians have to say, then maybe you shouldn't be posting on an asian message board?

>>2146884
>It was because Baidu

Exactly. I loved the big news coverage in the US about Google pulling out of China.
These news articles ignore that Google has a less than 10% market share in China (which is equivalent to AOL in the US). Who cares ... everybody in China uses Baidu.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_(nominal)

this is another measurement of actual dollars gdp. still far off of the US. but I think with over 1 billion people, they should have a larger economy so everyone doesn't starve. But with little freedom, I don't think they should be the most powerful. Oh and how about the fact that the EU is ahead of both China and US in most estimates? Why is no one talking about the EU?

>>2146967
>this is another measurement of actual dollars gdp.
see
>>2146049

You know that nominal GDP is based the market values of a currency. China pegs the renminbi to the US dollar so it is kept artifically low.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_(PPP)

Actually China doesn't own the US, they only own about 1 trillion of debt while the federal reserve owns 5 trillion. Thats why all the buiness news groups still shit themselves whenever ben bernanke speaks.

I'm hearing a lot liberal sentiment here.

You fags should realise that the economy is deadlocked and at a stalemate.. Us westerners are moving toward a dangerous debt based economy, how exactly this is supposed to work is a mystery.
There are other factors that could offset the above, such as trade wars mentioned above, or even skirmishes over pawn countries such as NK, and Iran etc.
To the Ausfag, I wouldn't side with China, when Gillard is announced the next PM by the Governor General you will know the US has successfully kept it's figurehead and puppet party in power.

haha oh wow, captcha is troops osends

>>2146986

but chinese currency is not the worlds reserve. and until china decides to let it adjust value then the real number is lower than 8 trillion. And nominal is not market value PPP is. Having a peg is not market value, its artificial and based in dollars that is why nominal is more accurate.

>>2147002

>Durr lets adopt a gold standard hurr

>>2146967
Because EU is not a country. Doesn't have a single leader, a single language, or a singe culture.

I like where this thread is going.

1ST PLACE NO GOOD FOR GLORIOUS CHINESE EMPIRE.

WE WILL GROW LARGER!

FUCKEN AMERIKKAN PIGS WILL BOW AT OUR FEET!

FUKKEN U.S.A!

if life can be good for most citizens in a country then it doesn't matter what rank they are

i would choose to be an average japanese person long before i'd pick chinese

>>2147002

I myself am lamenting our current state of affairs. I actually liked Gillard when she was deputy but I guess I just didn't know enough about her.

All of it sounds too... sordid. Kevin Rudd was a man who was promoting bilateral relations and dialogue with Asia, deporting grimey Mossad agents and not buckling to miners.

*sigh*

I hope our independents and greens can sway this course.

Chinese workers will start demanding higher wages (foxconn) and their cheap labor will belly up and so goes their economy.

Does China also realize that all of it's skilled and educated people tend to move to North america for jobs within the knowledge based economy? China has no diverse economy outside of manufacturing cheap shit.

>>2147133
yeah, why the fuck did you Australian's get rid of Kevin Rudd? We here in Canada would love to have a PM like him.

We would love to have a PM who makes the mining companies who take our resources pay money to the government to invest in our countries infrastructure.

>>2147147
Do you considered China has a communist regime that can repatriate your sorry ass back to the mainland if not just denying you a visa if they consider there's a high chance of desertion?

>>2147186

I'm sorry, can you repeat that again? Try speaking English.

>>2147171
All firms pay taxes, including mining companies, it's just that Rudd wanted them to pay a little extra.

>>2147027

it does have a single currency, and the topic of this thread is economic issues if i'm not mistaken.

>>2147201
his sentence is grammatically correct, if you have trouble with the meaning of some words use a dictionary instead of asking people to dumb things down for you

>>2147186

oh wait. I get you post now, and that's exactly why educated people are leaving China. There is no future for them in a country that takes away their rights.

>>2147147

Many companies have moved to other nations like bangladesh, mayanmar, thailand. When they leave china then those countries will be the ones growing at 10% annually.

>>2147226
>>2147186

>do you considered
>considered

fail

Everytime I see "CHINA STRONG" threads it reminds me of this onion news video.

>http://www.theonion.com/video/china-celebrates-its-status-as-worlds-number-one-a,14220/

I like how Americans demonize countries that work harder then them.
Maybe if you weren't so goddamn obese you wouldn't be falling behind every other country.

>>2147227
If you truly understood my post you wouldn't be saying the same thing twice. Why bother making an affirmation if you expect people to take it as a fact?

>>2147147
Well, duh. Of course they know this. Why do you think they're rolling out plan B by opting for a different global currency reserve?
>>2147171
We as a people didn't. It was decided by a cabal of "power-brokers." I didn't realize it until Gillard was sucking the miners' cocks, her droning ideologue speeches and the fact that she would actually debate with Abbott at his level and turn the whole bloody election into reactionary campaigns without any of the forward thinking policy that Rudd had. I honestly thought we were coming out alright with Gillard because:

1. She pretty much ran the country for earlier part of the Rudd ministry while he was off on his mystical Asian adventures

2. She had a VERY liberal streak in her younger years and she was the minister for employment and education

3. She was a woman. Yes... I know this is a silly way to judge people. But you can hardly fault us for it when it was America who voted in a white guy who looked black.

>>2147247

>work harder

thats the biggest cliche ever. How about they complain about people who compete unfairly? Or they compete with people that have lower standards of living? You want to work in a sweatshop or go pick strawberries by all means go ahead.

>>2147257

Prove me wrong.

What is China doing to encourage it's university educated citizens to stay in China and what is China doing to encourage educated people to move to their country?

Nothing.

>>2147171
We don't want someone like him. Those mining companies are already doing a lot, by providing canadians with thousands of jobs. Rudd was a fool, although Gillard is a bigger one.

>>2147240

http://www.verb2verbe.com/conjugation/english-verb/consider.aspx

>>2147286

>Those mining companies are already doing a lot, by providing canadians with thousands of jobs.

LOLOLOLOLOL

Tell that to the people of Sudbury who lost 6000 jobs at the nickel mine once the mine was bought out by Vale.

And now Vale wants to start cutting pensions.

Enbridge is going to build oil pipelines from the Alberta oil sands into South Dakota which will slash 36,000 jobs.

http://thetyee.ca/Blogs/TheHook/Environment/2010/08/09/oil-sands-pipeline-Canada-Keystone-XL/

Mining companies don't give a fuck about Canadians.

>>2147283
>Prove me wrong.
This is just childish. I already told you why I don't agree with your assertion. It's up to you to provide evidence for your claims.

>What is China doing to encourage it's university educated citizens to stay in China and what is China doing to encourage educated people to move to their country?
It doesn't have to do anything if the party won't let them emigrate. That's why I said you didn't understand my previous posts. I won't repeat myself, you should read them if you want a more detailed answer, it's just 2 line ffs.

>Nothing.
Again. It doesn't have to.

>>2147283

Does it really matter? China doesn't need much more in the way of academics. What it (and the western world) need are skilled tradesmen which *surprise* China has a lot of and come here on working Visas.

Immigration for a better living standard is just a fact of life. Do you honestly take this to be some indication that China will NEVER grow out of it's labor intensive industry and that they'll just BLEED their brainshare to live cushy lives in the west?

The idea is that they can make a society where there are employment opportunities for graduates. They've got all the pieces in place but the last one... that important return on their investment in the US economy FUCKED UP. So they're just going to have to wait it out.

If it ever gets that unbearable... maybe China will go and strengthen the Yuan a little bit. But that just means the US will be further screwed over. China has a whole world to sell goods to.

>>2147286
10 medium enterprises could replace the jobs provided by mining companies, of course not with the same wages but if it's having a job what matters then those companies don't do much. Their main contribution is not jobs since mining is capital intensive industry (as opposed to labor intensive one) but the taxes they pay.

Honestly, American companies will jew you out and cost you more but Asian companies will just give you a shitty product. If you excpect your Chinese designed products to last at all your a fucking tool. I'd rather pay more for something well designed (ThinkPad) vs a shitty replica (Lenovo)

captcha nothan cells.

>>2147464
they said the same about the Japanese products back in the late 60's

Well, this has solidified my view that the chinese have no honor.
I was neutral, now I hate them.

They're immoral, amoral at best.
Americans are going to wake up and put on the WWII war paint.

>>2145994
I thought Japan would be butthurt but this outcome is fine as well.

Wealth for all, above all and freedom from want is the ultimate quest.

>>2146106
Richfags are making your country great. We should give as much opportunities to the brightest and most capable people of running the country.

The Free Market has provided opportunities for Asia, China, Mexico and everywhere else.

>>2146150
I for one believe that it is in Asia's best interest to form a similar military alliance to NATO led by China. That alliance would be amazing and have the numbers to overwhelm NATO.

Although if that does not work, I believe the next best thing is for China and Russia to formalise the Shanghai Cooperation Organisation. Eventually this will overcome the old hatreds between Central Asians and focusing on a greater goal.

Security in our region, unity against NATO, a place in the world as intended for Russia and China.

In Central Asia and the Caucasus, we need to keep the Terrorists down, the Russians and Chinese in and the Americans out.

I'm going to make it very hard for the chinks on my campus now. thanks, OP.

>>2148099

>Shanghai Cooperation Organisation
sound like metal gear solid to me

>>2148099
>Eventually this will overcome the old hatreds between Central Asians

Central Asia is shit tier, as long as India, Australia, South Korea and Japan are against China and allied against you, that's all that really matters.

Suddenly, there will be plenty of chinese tourists who won't go away...

>>2148130
bs

they don't spend like that

>>2148120
How long? Not long.

The alliance is only of a military nature, our great nation seeks wealth for all, above all.

Now that this great country has become 2nd, I believe it is only time before the wave of democracy comes. This is not to say I hate the Modern CCP as much as the pro-democracy Falun Gong. I admire some of their policies and leaders, I hate others.

However, the next step towards the rise of the Chinese Century is Democracy. Through democracy and freedom...
-We can finally have a good look on the failings of this great nation and alleviate them as Georgia did through plurality and criticism
-Through freedom, we can alleviate the tensions in separatist militants by providing them with human rights and focus on the task of building a nation.
-With freedom, the Chinese people can form a better tie with comrades in India, Korea and Japan.
-With democracy, we can soon tear down the final wall separating Taiwan and China
-With democracy, there will be no more excuses for arms embargoes and China can finally acquire the arsenal needed to further improve our military, protect the people and expand our capabilities.

Perhaps 20 or 50 years of more authoritianism but I believe that the Republic of China, 5 Races under One Nation as our Founding Father Sun Yat-Sen intended shall be realised.

The only question is who will be printed on dollar bills? Sun Yat-Sen, Mao Zedong or Chiang Hai-Shek?

i think if the americans bud out of south east asia and the north K thing is resolved. then its pretty inevitable something like a pax sina treaty is formed. hell if there are no american military presence in asia i think north korea will be a bit more chilled out.

Asians are always trying to start wars they can't finish.

Why are asians so crazy?

>>2148188

> that the Republic of China, 5 Races under One Nation as our Founding Father Sun Yat-Sen intended shall be realised.

>The only question is who will be printed on dollar bills?
>Sun Yat-Sen, Mao Zedong or Chiang Hai-Shek?

If peaceful unification can be accomplished, they could all be put on the 1 yuan bill, holding hands.

Getting peaceful unification could be a real doozy of a problem, though.

Unification through war would destroy much of the value of Taiwan, and crash the world economy, so it's really not a great idea.

>>2148220
PRC has only been in two wars this century.

Korean Bailout War: We scared the shit out of Imperialist Truman who ran away with his tail between his legs when we bailed out 'our Koreans'
Sino-Vietnam: Only in there to spank Vietnam's ass and teach them a lesson as well as discredit Military Dinosaurs in PRC leadership. Sad thing is that we've now pushed a generation of Vietnamese towards America.

Speaking of military, here's an interesting article
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/world/the-red-dragon-gets-a-free-ride/story-e6frg6ux-1225910579
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I, for one do not believe US should leave Afghanistan because it threatens the region and everywhere else should Al Qaeda take over again. China, Russia likewise has to lose with their terrorist problems.

The question is, if the US leaves will it be China and Central Asia's turn to deal with the Islamofascists? And should it?

god i fucking hope so

the USA needs to quit having so many god damned wars and military presence

christ how about spending more time, effort, and resources improving the actual US country first

If it's the USA's fate to be the next GB I'm ok with it. I mean we had a good run and it's not like once we're displaced we fall off the face of the earth. Such is the nature of the world. A hundred years from now we should be in a post nationalistic global society anyway so let it go already.

>>2148322
Sorry, Taliban.

>>2147032
Already did that.

Military Leaders said 'No Carrier may enter Chinese sea'

And the Americans caved in liked they caved in on Bay of Pigs.

Although I think the military leaders should shut their yap because they are embarrassing the nation (not to mention the exercises were against an unruly underling), nonetheless, the resulting American humiliation made for satisfying news. I think the name of the Carrier was USS George Bush was it?

And then there's the whole fuss from the right wing about 'OH SHIT, CARRIER-KILLING MISSILE!!'

Power Projection still needs improvement so if China forms a Carrier Task Force, I can only imagine what the hysteria would be like.

>>2148354
USS George Washington.

And yes, I do agree with you that it was very humiliating for the United States. I have no idea why they caved.

China being a future superpower is a good thing. It'll provide a check on US power. After the Cold War, the US was on top of the world and that attitude has led to the Iraq War and inevitable future war with Iran, among other things. At least when the Cold War was in, the US kept it's imperialist shit to covert CIA shit, now they're out in the open about it.

>>2148334
Now to think, I do wonder how long America could have kept up.
-You have Putin menacing Georgia, Ukraine and the Baltics
-China is rising and rising
-Constant foreign aid to Africa who are still suffering from corruption, AIDS, civil war and poverty.
-Attempting to fight a war in Iraq and Afghanistan
-Trying to stop North Korea from doing anything stupid that would encourage an Arms Race (North becomes nuclear power, Japan in, South joins in)
-Cockblocking Iran's nukes

All the while down South, people are poor, crime is rampant with some of them turning to Socialism. Castro has been alive for a long time despite several botched assassinations and the place is still communist despite embargoes not to mention there's Hugo Chavez waving his finger at the US.

And then there's the issue of anti-Americanism thanks to those Civil Wars funded by the US.
"If a free society cannot help the many who are poor, it cannot save the few who are rich."

>>2148405
Yeah it's not like we fought countless proxy wars in Latin America and Southeast Asia during the Cold War or anything

>>2148405
That's what I would like, 'democratic anti-Americanism'.

>>2148365
So who made the decision again?

Surely they realise they've provided fuel to anti-reform militants and conservatives who are now patting themselves on the back and will continue saber-rattling.

>>2148405
I honestly wouldn't mind seeing Iran getting wiped out since ideologically I am against Theocratic states and too much Religion-driven politics. I do hope the reformers win so a war can be prevented.

Come to think, Iran started out as an oppressive, Absolute Monarchy with full American support leading to an Islamic Revolution and where it is now.

Over in Saudi Arabia...

>>2147464
>I'd rather pay more for something well designed (ThinkPad) vs a shitty replica (Lenovo)

Bullshit. Unless you are filthy rich, you always go for the cheaper product

>>2148322

Are you JIDF? Seriously.

The Australian is a ridiculously right-wing Murdoch owned shitrag.

"Islamofascism" is the dumbest buzzword to come out of this decade. It's about as retarded as "political correctness" in the 90s. Some great bogeyman out to get you so you better get in line and discredit leftism or YOU WILL PERISH.

The Taliban just want to be left alone. They don't need soviet assholes conquering them nor do they need ISAF "securing the region." Sure they might be centuries behind but it's not our fucking place to spank them into the 21st century. Spanking is quite possibly the worst thing and the west have been going about it like retards. Africa is proof. China go in to build up their infrastructure with hope of fostering bilateral trade of their juicy natural resources and they KNOW what it's like to have shit infrastructure and they KNOW what it means to have good state run infrastructure and not pipe dream Murrikan "HIGHWAYS EVERYWHERE FOR MY FIVE CARS." Africa will be more than happy to be their bro. Americans by contrast are like... "OH SHIT YOU GOT SUM TYRANTS THAR!" Go in. Start war. Blow the place up. Oh well... we'll rebuild it... maybe. Oil now plox? God knows you need the money lol.

Besides... all these terrorists are just reacting this stupid US chauvinism. If China or BRIC actually succeed in acceding the US as the world's currency reserve, there's no doubt that this will put an end to US overconsumption and wars that plague these angry states.

In fact... China would probably be the best bet for building up Afghanistan when the ISAF piss off. And they already got Iran on their side. The central Asian pipeline is looking like it will be theirs before it becomes America's.

Chinaman here.

I used to pray for America's downfall and for China to rise out of its ashes but after having spent time with Americans, I have come to appreciate why you Yankees should remain the sole rulers of the world.

For you see, here in China we have over 100 words for rice... but still no words... for "friendship."

>>2149280
You want to spend the rest of your life kowtowing to Uncle Sam? Fuck that, have some pride. And fuck friendship.

>>2149280
>>2149280
THIS JOKE AGAIN !? STOP LIE PEOPLE
CHINA HAVE WORD FOR FREINDSHIP!! IT IS CALL 友誼 !!

>>2149271
I buy the Australian because it's the least right wing of the daily newspapers available in WA.

>>2149280

You know what the funny thing is? China actually would have been content with America being leader of the world. That's why they were counting on you to get your shit together and... you know... lead.

But you fucked it. You fucked it all up because you're all WEAK. You were too weak to object to the cabal that stole office. You were too weak to speak out against the injustice and expense of war. You were too weak to face the fact that nothing is forever.

China could have been that friend prospering by your side but you had to destroy the world's faith in you as stewards and now China are rising to the occasion. That's why they are now VERY prominent in international economics and not just your personal fabrication plant anymore.

How does that make you feel? That that mysterious red country you were taught to fear was actually your friend and is now going to be your boss because you never embraced him or made good on your promises?

>>2149271
Paranoid narrow-minded warmonger status:
TOLD [x]
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thread about japan ==> thread about china

threads, how do they work???

>>2149445

Thread about Japan losing it's economic standing to China. Naturally the more interesting story is China's growing international presence and economic strength.

What are we supposed to talk about on Japan's side? That they're all NEETs who stood around with their dicks in their hands for the last decade?