inafter condescending liberturdian

Everyone should read The Turner Diaries. Without them, /new/ doesn't make any fucking sense at all!

A fucking econ textbook.

inb4 Ayn Randy

Anyone who wants to say anything about social freedom needs to read this book.

>>188853
i watched the movie, is that good enough

The Secret History Of The American Empire. It's basically a history of how the IMF/World Bank enslaved the entire Third World during the last half of the 20th century, by one of the economists who was well-paid to help do it. Great read. The strategy's pretty simple.

1. Encourage corrupt government to borrow lots of money
2. Money is then kept by government and given to politically-connected cronies and companies
3. Thanks to compound interest on the debt and re-borrowing, debt balloons to outrageous percentage of GDP, 'creditors' become concerned.
4. 'Experts' decide government must pay down debt, demanding the government slash social spending to balance its budget.
5. People are therefore sold into eternal slavery, working forever to pay off impossibly-huge government debt that didn't benefit them an iota.

Over the last 20 years, this system has been performed on America. All that borrowed money went to buy F-22s that don't fly and $200 toilet seats for B-2s and nuclear submarines that have no point, benefitting the American people who have to pay for it exactly nil, but doing an admirable job of lining the pockets of government officials and politically-connected defense contractors.

Now the 'experts' are demanding you slash all your social spending.

Freakonomics

the indication that this doesn't seem to be translated into english is shocking and gruesome

give me a torrent of all of these

America's greatest contemporary thinker

>>188864
No the movie does not count. While it is still a very good story, only the book captures the true essence that Anthony Burgess meant to capture. In fact, the movie is based off of the 20 chapter version of the book, whereas the original was 21 chapters.

Here's an interesting quote:

"They don’t go into the cause of goodness, so why of the other shop? . . . Badness is of the self, the one, the you or me on our oddy knockies, and that self is made by old Bog or God and is his great pride and radosty. But the not-self cannot have the bad, meaning they of the government and the judges and the schools cannot allow the bad because they cannot allow the self. And is not our modern history, my brothers, the story of brave malenky selves fighting these big machines?"

This book took me from Atheism to Deism, simply due to its exploration of good, evil, and free will.

This thread seems to be deteriorating from "Read this book because it explains the concepts necessary to discuss the issues" to "Read this book because it promotes the ideology that I want you to accept"

>>188803
>condescending and turd
is this because he wants you to read?

>>188920
Well, it's always necessary to attempt to understand other's philosophies before you criticize them.

>>188920
how about offering the reader a synoptic view of two opposing scientific paradigms?

>>188909
har har durr har

>>188920

Nonsense, nobody's yet brought up Mein Kampf.

Actually, if you can find a pre-war translation, go for it. Anti-semitism aside, it has to be one of the most brilliant examinations made of democracy and its impossibility in the age of mass media.

Post-war translations are so garbled as to be unreadable.

>>188934
>implying non-marxist attempts at economic history make sense

>>188934

What?

.... surprised no one has posted his yet.

>>188938
I did not enjoy Mein Kampf. You'd think it would have a lot to say, but it's really him rambling on and on and on. You're a lot better off reading a condensed version.

I'm surprised how more libertarians on here don't promote this book. Then again, most are really free-market neocons.

>You'd think it would have a lot to say, but it's really him rambling on and on and on.

My thoughts exactly.
It used to be banned in my country so i had to smuggle in a copy from a trip in the UK. Couldn't wait to read it.
Massive disappointment. (in the sense that it is really a pos)

for debates on the 3rd world, genetics, etc.

This is a big must have for people who believe that race is what determines successful societies.

>>189045
a mockery of real anthropology

If you're going to discuss issues related to developing countries, you had better be aware of the points made in this book.

>>189059
>Huntington
>Fukuyama
>credible

my brain is starting to bleed

>>189054
this

Go read Norman Yoffee or James Scott instead.

needs stickied

>>189033
imma get this.
thx

>>189067

> Doesn't know what arguments the book even makes

Atlas Shrugged

>>189076
>changing societies

is enough to convince me not to read it

try >>188905

>>189085

Howard Zinn

RIP

>>189087
>i dont read books that arent written by marx personality cultists because i dont read books that arent written by marx personality cultists because i dont read books that arent written by marx personality cultists

Thomas Sowell is a amazing. I'm reading Intellectuals and Society right now. A real eye opener

>>189093
yeah, and then go listen to a nofx album to confer with some intellectual equals

I think everyone should read at least a basic economics textbook. Krugman's is like $20 used at Amazon and is better than Mankiw's IMO. Economics in One Lesson is really good as well for a newbie. Ron Paul's books are pretty good to better understand the king of /new/.

Here's some books I was thinking of reading, mostly libertarianfag shit that's supposed to be good. Tell me what you think about any of them. I don't have

Human Action by Mises
The Road to Serfdom
The God of the Machine
The Mainspring of Human Progress
In Defense of Globalization
The Closing of the American Mind
The Making of Modern Economics
Beyond politics: markets, welfare and the failure of bureaucracy (someone on here mentioned it)
In Defense of Global Capitalism
The Closing of the American Mind
Eat the Rich: A Treatise on Economics
The Discovery of Freedom
Financial Fiasco

the worst part is that I spend all day fapping and posting on /new/ instead of reading :(

>>189087
>>188905

That's ok. I can't be bothered to read every time a Marxist makes yet another attempt at creating a social ontology, only to have it shot down as the modern world leaves them even further in the dust.

Also, to be put off by "changing societies" is a bit foolish, as developing countries are "changing" regardless of what economic/political model they adhere to.

>>189138
>Beyond politics: markets, welfare and the failure of bureaucracy

Amazing book. It's basically all the progress of public choice economics over the last 50 years put in one small volume.

>>189144
says the adherent of economism spouting the exact same analysis David Ricardo came up with in 1830.

>>189619
yes

>>188905
Pretty good. Also seminal, this...

>>189833
basic tenet of economics fail

fuckin disappointed in you, /new/

>>189862
excellent book

also, because I am human

>>189846
cryptic troll fail

>>189862
Capitalism and Freedom as well.

>>189876
>David Harvey

Those old charts ring truer every year.

>>189876
>durr i learned about economics from a marxist geographer conspiracy theorist durr durr restore class power durr durr

Economic Sophisms by Frederic Bastiat

First of all, any Econ 101 textbook. Mostly for some of the liberals here. I would recommend either the one by Gregory Mankiw or the one by Paul Krugman.

I would also recommend those two texts here for those that want to lean why some countries are rich and why some other countries are not. The first one is easier to read.

http://www.nber.org/papers/w10481.pdf
http://www.nber.org/papers/w6564.pdf

I believe a good macroeconomics book that shows the differences between short-run and long-run is also very important (most macro talk in mainstream media is about things that only affect the short-run).

>>189862
Milton Friedman was a great genius, quite possibly the smartest economist ever. Free to Choose is a great book. Agree or disagree with him, you can see his brilliance in this book.

What kind of idiot reads Marxist "Economics" nowadays? This is a fucking joke..

>>189910
these guys

>>189898
cool eugenics bro

right now Im reading the myth of the rational voter by caplan

thanks to the anon that recommended it in that thread, this book is fucking win

Man, I wish I took economics instead of psychology, its so much better at understanding human behavior. After 4 years of studying cognitive psych, I'm pretty much all "ya, so now what"

Also, i recommend Itunes University, you can pretty much get a whole half assed humanities degree for free, and listen to Oxford and MIT lectures if you are too poor/dumb/canadian to actually attend these unis

>>189939
Yeah, brilliant book.

>>189886
>>189899
>i want to be perceived as intellegent and well read but won't touch anything that contradicts my ideology.
fuck I give up on /new/. trolls trolling trolls. peace out

>>189981
"Marxian Socialism must always remain a portent to the historians of Opinion - how a doctrine so illogical and so dull can have exercised so powerful and enduring an influence over the minds of men, and through them, the events of history" - J.M. Keynes

Awesome thread.

>>189981
I'm reading (and writing) about this right now, motherfucker.

It's shit. He doesn't even understand the difference between monetarism and sound money economics.

>>190013
>implying that wikiquote is a substitute for critique

The Blank Slate by Stephen Pinker

>>190035
i dont know what you mean, but meh condition of postmodernity was better

>>190107
total nonsense

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>>189138
good list

>>189084

NOOOOOOOOO
DIE IN A FIRE

>>189084

FUCK

MY CHILDHOOD RUINED

>>189084
My 4th grade teacher read that book to us. She was a bitch, but the book was Ok.

>>190117
The author is.. uhh.. "Hairy Slut"

HAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAA

>>190035
Political writers don't know shit about Economics. Every time I read one of those idiots talk about Econ I rage. It's worse when they try to pretend they are experts in the area. "This General Equilibrium thing does not works. Economists should read more Marx, they don't know anything about the economy"

As for monetarism, Milton Friedman's works are a important part of the foundation of modern monetary economics and the rest of macro.

>>188832
my text book

Pierro Sraffa online:

http://oll.libertyfund.org/index.php?option=com_staticxt&staticfile=show.php%3Ftitle=113&Ite
mid=99999999#toc_list

>>189093
>>189093

joking right?

zinn changes historical events to fit his beliefs

Matt Damon likes him end of story

I'd add Myth of the Rational Voter by Bryan Caplan

>>189138

you're a libertarian and even give krugman the time of day?

>>190192
>zinn changes historical events to fit his beliefs
shows you havent read zinn, and youre aping people who themselves havent read zinn. i hate it when this happens with serious works because after several iterations of this you get some pretty ridiculous shit.

required if you want to understand the role of science in society

>>190214

yeah because /new/ can understand philosophy of science, even if it is at an introductory level

if there was a picture book version, maybe

>>190204
>>190204

i've tried to read it, but it's pretty ridiculous book

>>190199
see
>>188920

>>190204
I wish that I could pronounce Zinn's book a great success, but it is not. It is a synthesis of the radical and revisionist historiography of the past decade. . . Not only does the book read like a scissors and paste-pot job, but even less attractive, so much attention to historians, historiography and historical polemic leaves precious little space for the substance of history. . . . We do deserve a people's history; but not a simpleminded history, too often of fools, knaves and Robin Hoods. We need a judicious people's history because the people are entitled to have their history whole; not just those parts that will anger or embarrass them. . . . If that is asking for the moon, then we will cheerfully settle for balanced history.
- Michael Kammen, Harvard historian

>>190199
He agrees with libertarians on a number of issues. Probably more than he would admit.

Good idea OP. Most protesting americans seem to be fucking retards in the highest degree. From what I am seeing, only a few actually realize what is going on.

Pic related: This is what public education and no real research leads to.

>>190199
His textbook seems to be pretty much the same as Mankiw's so far but more polished. No one really disagrees much with the basics. One thing from Mankiw's that I liked was the box on Henry George. I don't see it in Krugman's.

The only thing I've noticed is that a couple times he mentioned how government needed to intervene because someone was going to "earn too much profit" (gasoline price ceiling in the 70's was one). I'm not sure if that was the reasoning at the time.

I heard Krugman was inspired to be an economist after reading Foundation by Isaac Asimov. Sounds like a cool guy minus the libtardness. Explains the whole social engineer thing anyway.

Weirdly a lot of these book are more libertarian I figured the liberals would have already trolled this thread to death.

>>190215
>implying new can understand anything besides mein kampf and isn't just dropping names

Oh and I hate to burst any religiousfags bubble here, but not talking about God whenever a problem arises. Stop mentioning god in your protest signs. Newsflash: God will not help you, he will not help the world. He cannot and even if he did, he will not. You are believing in something that DOES NOT EXIST.

Want to know why different religious groups exist. Want to know why the crusades existed? Because they are just like gangs. More people for them, more power to them. Look above the system and see the bigger picture.

>>190230

what? would you care to provide examples?

It doesn't go quite far enough, but the mindset and the proper approach to economics are quite solid.

>>190231
WestBoro is like seriously 5 - 10 people dude. And they're more than likely just trolling.

I agree anyway though, I think on an individual basis people are surprisingly reasonable, but man oh man, in groups protesting they have no clue what's going on.

>>190199
Economists sometimes say there are two Krugmans, the good economist and the retarded political blogger.
Dunno if his book on Econ 101 is good (read some nice things about it, but never saw it myself), but it's said that the "good Krugman" was the one that wrote it.

>>190231
Those signs seem to be factually accurate. Has anyone been to any Tea Parties or Ron Paul things? I imagine some of the Ron Paul people are into reading books.

Do you guys take notes or annotate when you read these books for fun? I usually don't. I can't really remember what I read, but I think the ideas are still in my head somewhere and would appear when it's relevant. But maybe I should take notes.

Islam is the only religion that really cares anymore anyway. Why else are they the fastest growing religion out there, if not already the most dominant? Because it is based in a shitty region of the world, with poverty and war. The kids are taught at a young age and then cling to their books and beliefs in times of peril. That is why extremists exist in the middle east. Religion is nothing more than brainwashing that tells you how to lead your life. If you have any sense of individuality and an open mind, you wouldn't believe such shit.

That is all.

>>190252
ok cuz i've read some near retarded shit on his blog

did anyone see that ron paul won the CPAC vote for who should run for president

Glenn beck and palin's book hit on top sellers and liberals say righties don't read.

>>190255

There is NOTHING WRONG with homosexual people. Ok, so their genetics were a bit manipulated naturally while in the fetus, so they are attracted to their own gender. So fucking what? God has nothing to do with anything. This is creationism and science at work, not religion.

If you're a hippie read this. If you're a libertarian read The Moon is a Harsh Mistress

>>190243
Do you know any good books about the origins of religion that aren't too lolatheism?

>>190265
They read shit they already agree with

But then, don't we all?

>>190257
Don't worry. Krugman himself does not believes in some of the shit he says on his blog. He is just playing it to his public.

>>190273

No because I do not care for religion. I was born a christian, but in all honesty I don't care for it. Maybe if I told god to kick me in the goddamn face and it happened out of nowhere I'll believe him.

Ink and paper isn't enough proof for me.

>>190229
That's a lot different than saying he "changes historical events to fit his beliefs."

Fuck I have a bunch of books I want to read but I seem to waste what little free time I have. And I think I read more slowly than normal.

How often do you guys read a new book?

Crazy how Asimov has written 500+ books, more than most people have read.

>>190256
Are you in the wrorng thread?

>>190245
Liberals would hate it since it's a more libertarian approach.

>>190322
Is there any "liberal approach" to economics?

>>190245
what would be some good books to follow up on this?

>>190312

> When our individual interests and prospects do not seem worth living for, we are in desperate need of something apart from us to live for. All forms of dedication, devotion, loyalty and self-surrender are in essence a desperate clinging to something which might give worth and meaning to our futile, spoiled lives. Hence the embracing of a substitute will necessarily be passionate and extreme. We can have qualified confidence in ourselves, but the faith we have in our nation, religion, race or holy cause has to be extravagant and uncompromising. A substitute embraced in moderation cannot supplant and efface the self we want to forget. We cannot be sure that we have something worth living for unless we are ready to die for it. This readiness to die is evidence to ourselves and others that what we had to take as a substitute for an irrevocably missed or spoiled first choice is indeed the best there every was.

>>190317

Nope.

>>190338

Keynesianism is fundamentally incompatible with anything but a liberal worldview. And I mean liberal in the now sense, not the old sense.

>>190357
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>>190381

I like that book cover. Very accurate.

>>190379

I like pie too.

>>190338
> liberal
> economics

>>190389

>>190389
lol, wtf is that pic from?

> The future of the West is not a limitless tending upwards and onwards for all time towards our presents ideals, but a single phenomenon of history, strictly limited and defined as to form and duration, which covers a few centuries and can be viewed and, in essentials, calculated from available precedents. With this enters the age of gigantic conflicts, in which we find ourselves today. It is the transition from Napoleonism to Caesarism, a general phase of evolution, which occupies at least two centuries and can be shown to exist in all Cultures.

bump for moar libertarian literature :D

For being largely dominated by libertarianism, this thread has gone fairly well.

>>190443
Has anyone mentioned The Myth of the Rational Voter by Bryan Caplan?

>>190459
except for the part where anything non-libertarian gets trolled

>>190504

yes

>>190381

>>190522
I know, I was kidding. It's been mentioned repeatedly.

Meh, a good fiction book is fine, too.

>>190375
I consider myself a conservative and for macro I'm a "New Keynesian"

Has anyone mentioned Defending the Defenseless by

also, The Politics of Obedience by Etienne de La Boetie

>>190590
>Defending the Undefendable by Walter Block*

>>190552

Then you're not a conservative.

>>190516

So, all is as it should be?

>>190602
Actually, you can be a conservative or minarchist or libertarian New Keynesian.. it's just rare because it requires a prioritization of individualism over perceived losses from business cycles.

>>190602
I am. I'm not even close to be a liberal.

>>190613
Or you can think anti-cyclical policy may potentially alleviate recession, but that the market works quite well most of the time.
Milton Friedman himself defended the use of monetary policy against the Great Depression.

>>190630

More like he defended a policy of non-use of monetary policy, which would have prevented the Depression.

Anti-cyclical policy has proven over and over to be a failure, at least at the current stage of economic understanding. Moreover, Keynesianism is fundamentally founded on a belief that a few people know better than the majority of people how best to spend their money - which is fundamentally opposed to libertarianism, and thus all (relevant) conservativism.

Keynes was a tremendously successful fraud.

>>190640
>>190636

My first preference would be to abolish the Federal Reserve, but that's not going to happen.
- Milton Friedman, 2005

There's a lot of misinformation and confusion being spread around in most of these threads.

A lot of people don't really know what socialism, capitalism, libertarianism, statism, and progressivism means, including the history and changes made to those ideologies throughout time.

So I thought it would be a good idea to have a required learning lesson about Denmark because it's the future, and if you don't think so, you're a fucking idiot.

I picked up this book at a thrift store in harford County,MD in 2007. It's really a great book that explains the reality of America's political system, and explains and exposes the country's inequalities in health,wealth ,justice, education, and why it's being maintained. Michael Parenti truly pulls no punches with this book, which is actually in it's eighth edition.

>>190701
>I thought it would be a good idea to have a required learning lesson about Denmark because it's the future, and if you don't think so, you're a fucking idiot.

Excellent Communist literature for all. Perhaps it will open all the eyes of the aspie virgin libertarians here about how capitalism is a vile, feudalist system that seeks to give more power to a small elite while billions of proletariats suffer. The inevitable revolution is coming, and all you who support capitalism and private property will soon perish for your disgusting beliefs.

this is probably the best thread on new, too bad its just a typical thread on lit

>>190752
go to bed, timmy. we have church tomorrow.

>>190752
>a vile, feudalist system that seeks to give more power to a small elite while billions of proletariats suffer.

funny, that's how communism ALWAYS ends up. just sayin.

>>190773
/lit/ has too much fiction for my taste. this is usually the only subject i read anyway.


also, raging liberals

>>190787
So whos advocating communism here?
Not I. I'm a progressive liberal.

das kapital is for fags

>>190752
>Fidel Castro
...
Troll?

bump

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>>191039

its called a "public library"

its the original no cost peer to peer file sharing system!

>>190820

you can download books for free from the server irc.undernet.org

go to the channel #bookz, and download to your heart's content

>>191039

http://books.google.com/